DA-HCG - The Reveal...

Taurus Nut.

Board Sponsor
Ok, you wanted to know what's in it. Sometimes simple is awesome and here's what we have for you. Full write up will be a bit later:

Write Up Abstract: D-Aspartic Acid is well known to increase testosterone production. We wanted to see if we could get an improvement on this and boost testosterone levels even higher along with increasing growth hormone as well. Lactate is a little known stimulator of hormones. It is theorized that after strenuous exercise, the body dumps a small amount of lactate into the blood as a signal mechanism to tell it to increase the supply of muscle building hormones. This signaling pathway makes total sense when you think about it! Lactate increased testicular production of testosterone similar to HCG. (1,2) Also may have a profound effect on growth hormone (3).

This is why we say that this product truly is exercise in a bottle from a hormonal perspective. People are coming around to the understanding that blood lactate is indeed a potent stimulator of hormones (will post other articles)

"Lactic acid does not cause that dreaded burning sensation during intense exercise. When lactic acid is made it’s split into lactate ion (lactate) and hydrogen ion. Hydrogen ion is the bad guy, the acid in lactic acid that interferes with electrical signals in nerve and muscle tissue. And lactic acid is not responsible for any muscle soreness felt the next day or two after a hard workout. That is caused by muscle damage and post-exercise tissue inflammation."

So you see, it's not lactate it's the H- that causes the muscle "burn". You get the benefits of the lactate without the negatives of the H atom!

We looked for the best form of Lactate to give with our D-AA. Well, luckily we found a supplier of Calcium Lactate which gives us both lactate and calcium. Calcium is an important cofactor in testosterone production (4). Now, perhaps you need more calcium but then again perhaps not...

DA-HCG - 1 Full Month Supply (4 Weeks)

Servings Per Container: ~56

2 Scoops (Filled to Fill Line) Equals:
3g D-Aspartic Acid
1.5g Calcium Lactate (Supplying 1.3g Lactate)

Directions: Fill Scoop To Serving Line For Each Dose. Take 2 Scoops (Filled Only To Scoop Fill Line) Per Day On An Empty Stomach Between Meals Divided Into Two Doses. Cycle Off The Product For At Least 1 Week After Each Container.

D-Aspartic Acid is well studied in cellular metabolism to boost testosterone production via important testicular enzymes. Lactate is a signaling molecule used by the body after intense exercise to stimulate growth and hormone release. Lactacte has been shown in preliminary studies to work in conjunction with D-Aspartic Acid to increase testosterone production, as well as increasing IGF-1 and Growth Hormone Levels.

Brief Info:

Check out these studies on lactate stimulating testosterone similar to HCG:

1) Lin H, Wang SW, Wang RY, Wang PS. J Cell Biochem. 2001 Jun 26-Jul 25;83(1):147-54. Stimulatory effect of lactate on testosterone production by rat Leydig cells.

Previously we found that the increased plasma testosterone levels in male rats during exercise partially resulted from a direct and luteinizing hormone (LH)-independent stimulatory effect of lactate on the secretion of testosterone. In the present study, the acute and direct effects of lactate on testosterone production by rat Leydig cells were investigated. Leydig cells from rats were purified by Percoll density gradient centrifugation subsequent to enzymatic isolation of testicular interstitial cells. Purified rat Leydig cells (1 x 10(5) cells/ml) were in vitro incubated with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG, 0.05 IU/ml), forskolin (an adenylyl cyclase activator, 10(-5) M), or 8-bromo-adenosine-3':5'-cyclic monophosphate (8-Br-cAMP, 10(-4) M), SQ22536 (an adenylyl cyclase inhibitor, 10(-6)-10(-5) M), steroidogenic precursors (25-hydroxy-cholesterol, pregnenolone, progesterone, and androstenedione, 10(-5) M each), nifedipine (a L-type Ca(2+) channel blocker, 10(-5)-10(-4) M), or nimodipine (a potent L-type Ca(2+) channel antagonist, 10(-5)-10(-4) M) in the presence or absence of lactate at 34 degrees C for 1 h. The concentration of medium testosterone was measured by radioimmunoassay. Administration of lactate at 5-20 mM dose-dependently increased the basal testosterone production by 63-187% but did not alter forskolin- and 8-Br-cAMP-stimulated testosterone release in rat Leydig cells. Lactate at 10 mM enhanced the stimulation of testosterone production induced by 25-hydroxy-cholesterol in rat Leydig cells but not other steroidogenic precursors. Lactate (10 mM) affected neither 30- nor 60-min expressions of cytochrome P450 side chain cleavage enzyme (P450scc) and steroidogenic acute regulatory (StAR) protein. The lactate-stimulated testosterone production was decreased by administration of nifedipine or nimodipine. These results suggested that the physiological level of lactate stimulated testosterone production in rat Leydig cells through a mechanism involving the increased activities of adenylyl cyclase, cytochrome P450scc, and L-type Ca(2+) channel.


2) Lu SS, Lau CP, Tung YF, Huang SW, Chen YH Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1997 Aug;29(8):1048-54. Lactate and the effects of exercise on testosterone secretion: evidence for the involvement of a cAMP-mediated mechanism.

The effects of swimming and lactate on the release of testosterone were examined in male rats. During in vivo experiments, male rats were catheterized via the right jugular vein and blood was collected at 0, 10, 15, 30, and 60 min following the exercise, or they were catheterized via the right jugular vein and the left femoral vein and blood was collected at 0, 2, 5, 10, 15, 30, 60, and 120 min after a 10-min infusion at lactate (13 mg.kg-1.min-1). Trunk blood and blood from the testicular vein were also collected after 10 min of swimming or water immersion. In an in vitro experiment, testicular fragments were challenged with lactate (0.01-10 mM) and/or human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG; 0.5 IU.mL-1), and the mediobasal hypothalamus (MBH) was challenged with lactate (8 mM). The post-exercise levels of plasma lactate and testosterone at 10, 15, and 30 min were higher than resting levels. Plasma luteinizing hormone (LH) was increased following 30 min of swimming. Administration of lactate or hCG increased in a dose dependent manner testicular cyclic adenosine 3':5' monophosphate (cAMP) and testosterone release. Plasma testosterone increased after swimming and lactate infusion. Incubation of MBH with lactate increased the gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) level in the medium. These results suggest that the increased plasma testosterone levels in male rats during exercise is at least partially a result of a direct and LH-independent stimulatory effect of lactate on the secretion of testosterone by increasing testicular cAMP production. Swim-elevated plasma LH may be a result of a rise of GnRH caused by lactate.

3) Godfrey RJ, Whyte GP, Buckley J, Quinlivan R. Br J Sports Med. 2009 Jul;43(7):521-5. Epub 2008 Jan 9. The role of lactate in the exercise-induced human growth hormone response: evidence from McArdle disease.

PURPOSE: Increased blood lactate concentration has been suggested as a primary stimulus for the exercise-induced growth hormone response (EIGR). Patients with McArdle disease are unable to produce lactate in response to exercise and thus offer a unique model to assess the role of lactate in the EIGR. Accordingly, McArdle's patients were exercised to test the hypothesis that lactate is a major stimulus of the EIGR.

METHODS: 11 patients with McArdle disease (3 male, 8 female; age: 35.5 (SD 13.9) years, height: 166 (8) cm, body mass: 75.2 (13.1) kg) were recruited for the study. The patients walked initially at 0.42 m/s, increasing by 0.14 m/s per 3 min stage. Exercise was terminated when participants completed 3 minutes at 1.80 m/s or when a Borg CR10 pain scale rating of "4" was reached. Stages were separated by 60 s for capillary blood sampling for analysis of hGH and blood lactate concentration.

RESULTS: McArdle's patients' blood lactate levels remained at resting levels (0.3-1.2 mmol/l) as exercise intensity increased. Nine out of 11 participants failed to demonstrate an EIGR obtaining hGH values below the clinical definition of a response (>3 microg/l).

CONCLUSION: The absence of an EIGR in nine out of 11 participants suggests that lactate could play a major role in the EIGR in humans.


4) Cinar V, Baltaci AK, Mogulkoc R, Kilic M. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2009 Summer;129(1-3):65-9. Epub 2008 Dec 20. Testosterone levels in athletes at rest and exhaustion: effects of calcium supplementation.

Abstract

The effects of 4 weeks of calcium supplementation on free- and total testosterone levels were established in active and sedentary adult males at rest and exhaustion. Thirty healthy male athletes were equally divided into three study groups, as follows: Group 1-non-exercising subjects receiving 35 mg calcium/kg body weight; Group 2-subjects receiving 35 mg calcium/kg body weight undergoing training routines for 90 min/day, 5 days a week and Group 3-subjects undergoing training routines for 90 min/day, 5 days a week. The testosterone levels were determined before and after supplementation, at rest and following a hard training routine. The plasma free- and total testosterone levels increased at exhaustion before and after supplementation relative to resting values (p < 0.05). This was also true when active subjects were compared to inactive subjects (p < 0.05). Our results show that training results in increased testosterone levels in athletes and that the increase is greater if accompanied by calcium supplementation, which may be useful for increasing overall athletic performance.
 
Lactic Acid/Lactate Can Help you to Become a Lean, Mean, Fat-burning Machine!!
by Jheri Turnley, B.S., HFS
Invalid Link Removed

Over the years, research has proved that the soreness people experience after intense exercise is no longer as a result of the accumulation of lactate but from the tiny muscle tears that are the end product of such exercises (1, 2). The truth lies in the fact that lactate is a pure, condensed form of fuel that your body is not able to process as quickly as it is produced to use for the task at hand. As soon as you rest from any form of exercise, your body starts to feed this high-octane fuel to your organs and muscles, which gain from its rich ingredients. The health benefits from lactate production are substantial.
First, your body uses extra calories for many hours after you stop exercising just to process the amount produced. This phenomenon is part of what is commonly referred to as EPOC (excess post-oxygen consumption).
Second, once absorbed, lactate acts to firm up your muscles and increase your aerobic capacity. After subsequent workouts sessions, your body becomes more efficient at processing this excess fuel and as a result, you gain more athletic stamina and a higher metabolic rate. In addition, your heart and lungs are then able to send more oxygen through your veins to get rid of fat, which requires a large amount to be burned as fuel.
Lastly, the degree of burn in your muscles is directly correlated to the proper hormone response for increased muscle building and fat burning. What many people are unaware of is that lactic acid/lactate acts like a hormone and may actually cause/contribute to the release of HGH and testosterone (3, 4). So, in essence, lactic acid or lactate, should no longer be considered the “foe” of intense exercise. It should be considered a by-product or “friend” of exercise that helps you to become a “lean, mean, fat-burning machine!”
References:
1. Hill, A. Long, N. Muscular exercise, lactic acid, and the supply and utilization of oxygen. Monatsschrift Kinderheilkunde. 24(1): 43-51, 1925.
2. Gaesser, G. & Brooks, G. Metabolic bases of excess post-exercise oxygen consumption: a review. Med. & Sci. in Sports & Ex. 16(1): 29-43, 1984.
3. Turner, M., Howley, E., Tanaka, Ashraf, M., Bassett, D. & Keefer, D. Effect of graded epinephrine infusion on blood lactate response to exercise. J. of Appl. Physiol. 79(4): 1206-1211, 1995.
4. Lin, H., Wang, S., Wang, R. & Wang, P. Simulatory effect of lactate on testosterone production by rat Leydig cells. J. of Cell. Biochem. 83(1): 147-154, 2001.
 
That is a truly great read.

I can't wait for the full write-up and particularly for this product. Whenever the time rolls around, if you're looking for anyone to alpha or beta-test this, I'd love to have the chance. I love DAA and the addition of the calcium-lactate is incredibly intriguing; I never would have began to consider that.
 
who woulda thunk it....:notworthy:



nice!!!
 
Couldn't you just buy bulk daa or use your pre workout product and just add Calcium Lactate that's already out in pill form?

Why would this not work and how would your product be any different then what I'm suggesting besides it already combined in one scoop?
 
Couldn't you just buy bulk daa or use your pre workout product and just add Calcium Lactate that's already out in pill form?

Why would this not work and how would your product be any different then what I'm suggesting besides it already combined in one scoop?

lol-eric has been doing this way too long to make it that simple for you.





stay tuned for more info.:yup:
 
Couldn't you just buy bulk daa or use your pre workout product and just add Calcium Lactate that's already out in pill form?

Why would this not work and how would your product be any different then what I'm suggesting besides it already combined in one scoop?

Sure, but you wouldn't be getting accurate dosing and with the cost difference why would you? It's way cheaper to buy them together from us.

Like anything you can always home brew your own and save a dollar but why would you bother?

Also, how about helping the people that brought this to market as a bodybuilding supplement! You'd have never known about it unless we did all the research...

Calcium Lactate is roughly 10-12 dollars for a bottle of 90 capsules (500mg)
Bulk DAA is roughly 12-13 dollars for 100g

You get them both for about $16 in our HCG-DAA supplement!
 
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Taurus Nut. again."

:yup:
 
Sure, but you wouldn't be getting accurate dosing and with the cost difference why would you? It's way cheaper to buy them together from us.

Like anything you can always home brew your own and save a dollar but why would you bother?

Also, how about helping the people that brought this to market as a bodybuilding supplement! You'd have never known about it unless we did all the research...

Calcium Lactate is roughly 10-12 dollars for a bottle of 90 capsules (500mg)
Bulk DAA is roughly 10-12 dollars for 100g

You get them both for about $16 in our HCG-DAA supplement!

NO WAY!!!


THAT'S AN INSANE PRICE. DAMN, ERIC!!!:notworthy:
 
Sure, but you wouldn't be getting accurate dosing and with the cost difference why would you? It's way cheaper to buy them together from us.

Like anything you can always home brew your own and save a dollar but why would you bother?

Also, how about helping the people that brought this to market as a bodybuilding supplement! You'd have never known about it unless we did all the research...

Calcium Lactate is roughly 10-12 dollars for a bottle of 90 capsules (500mg)
Bulk DAA is roughly 10-12 dollars for 100g

You get them both for about $16 in our HCG-DAA supplement!



Now thats what im talking about!!
 
Interesting, and nice price Eric.
 
Preorder will be up tonight and should be shipping by the end of the week! Wyked is going to be a little late. Not happy with the final flavor. When you scale up production it sometimes doesn't taste like the beta version. I will release no supplement before it's time... (throwback from E&J Gallo wines)
 
Preorder will be up tonight and should be shipping by the end of the week! Wyked is going to be a little late. Not happy with the final flavor. When you scale up production it sometimes doesn't taste like the beta version. I will release no supplement before it's time... (throwback from E&J Gallo wines)


I know you well Eric and releasing a product you are not happy with just isnt happening!! But you will perfect it and release a product that is the sh!t as usual!!
 
Sure, but you wouldn't be getting accurate dosing and with the cost difference why would you? It's way cheaper to buy them together from us.

Like anything you can always home brew your own and save a dollar but why would you bother?

Also, how about helping the people that brought this to market as a bodybuilding supplement! You'd have never known about it unless we did all the research...

Calcium Lactate is roughly 10-12 dollars for a bottle of 90 capsules (500mg)
Bulk DAA is roughly 12-13 dollars for 100g

You get them both for about $16 in our HCG-DAA supplement!

:smileeek:
 
Any beta testers or bloodwork done on this so far?? Looks like it has some advantages over hcg in that it can be used during pct
 
interesting i just picked up some bulk daa from nutra so after i burn through those i may give this a try after some logs/reviews are out.
 
Simple explanation interesting product and great price! Will certainly pick up a bottle of this can't argue with the cost thats for sure
 
Preorder will be up tonight and should be shipping by the end of the week! Wyked is going to be a little late. Not happy with the final flavor. When you scale up production it sometimes doesn't taste like the beta version. I will release no supplement before it's time... (throwback from E&J Gallo wines)

All good Eric, take your time and get it right first time :)
 
That's a killer price! Very interested in seeing some head to head results between the 2 (daa and dahcg)

Too bad bill llewellyn has ArA tied up with licensing and charges a ****ton for it, sounds like it would make this supp an ingredient trifecta of test boosting anabolic signaling goodness.
 
Too bad bill llewellyn has ArA tied up with licensing and charges a ****ton for it, sounds like it would make this supp an ingredient trifecta of test boosting anabolic signaling goodness.

Ooooh, that does sound good! :yumyum:
 
Well, it won't be long before Taurus is at the top of my wifes **** list! Lol. Last night she says, "Taurus this, Taurus that! Is there anything else that WE could talk about??!?". All I could do was chuckle. I guess she was right. She knows how intriguing all this new supplementation is.

Now, if I want to take this, should I use another companies pre-workout powder? Wouldnt it be too much DAA in one day?
 
Now, if I want to take this, should I use another companies pre-workout powder? Wouldnt it be too much DAA in one day?

Wyked is stackable, IMO, but whether you use another preworkout as well depends what the other preworkout product was.

~Rosie~
 
Well, it won't be long before Taurus is at the top of my wifes **** list! Lol. Last night she says, "Taurus this, Taurus that! Is there anything else that WE could talk about??!?". All I could do was chuckle. I guess she was right. She knows how intriguing all this new supplementation is.

Now, if I want to take this, should I use another companies pre-workout powder? Wouldnt it be too much DAA in one day?

well...you could always add it to wyked!!!:bigok:
 
Isn't that too much DAA in one serving? I think any more than 3G a day & I'm makin a mad dash for the facilities!! Lol. Rosie, I've already got some Wyked on the way. Can't wait to try it out!!
 
Isn't that too much DAA in one serving? I think any more than 3G a day & I'm makin a mad dash for the facilities!! Lol. Rosie, I've already got some Wyked on the way. Can't wait to try it out!!

You'll be fine, and thats dosing a full 3 scoops of wyked. obviously you don't have to go that high, but everyones tolerance is different with stims. but if you did, your good.

I'll be stacking mine with wyked
 
Very interesting product!
So what do everyone think of DA-HCG while on PH's/DS's to combat shutdown? :think:
In my ears it sounds like a winner :)

//CC
 
Very interesting product!
So what do everyone think of DA-HCG while on PH's/DS's to combat shutdown? :think:
In my ears it sounds like a winner :)

//CC

I asked Eric this in the other DA-HCG thread and he said it will be better for PCT rather than during a cycle

Not sure what his reasoning is but I would save it for PCT.
 
Back
Top