Ecdysterone - Any fans here?

[Outstanding]

DHB is my meat and potatoes...

Also, don't worry about not having the exact answer, it'll give me something to research!

Well, I have been researching my tush off since I last made the above post... and it has been a whirlwind of revelation.

Here is an excerpt:

The flavonoid existing in highest concentration in grapefruit juice is naringin, which in humans is metabolised to naringenin. Other flavonoids exist in grapefruit juice in lower concentrations as well. Orange juice does not contain naringin in as high a concentration, instead containing hesperetin. It is sometimes recommended as a substitute. Juice of limes and Seville oranges can also inhibit drug metabolism, however, as can apple juice with some drugs.

It appears as though everything I have read points to the active constituent WITHIN Grapefruit as the flavonoid Naringin; so I will modify my usage and switch over to supplements containing that specific active, in order to enhance the bio-availability of orally consumed supplements. As I am on no medications of any type, I don't have to worry about interactions - so I am able to enjoy all the positive effects of reaping a heightened effect from my supplements at even lower dosages (in which the in-vio activity or half life is also extended, according to my studying thus far).

Case in point: With an oral supplement that is highly touted and for good reason because of it's successful implementation into naturally based anabolic protocols, such as EcdyMorph/True Turk, whose cost may be somewhat prohibitive, an athlete should consider stacking either/or DHB (also known as Bergamottin, or 6’,7’-dihydroxybergamottin - IS ALSO IN GRAPEFRUIT JUICE) and Naringin to augment the overall hypertrophic capacity and duration of each serving!

So it seems Grapefruit juice is the ultimate anabolic potentiator... when, of course, stacked with ergogenic supplements. Containing a yield of BOTH Naringin and DHB, a one-two punch of increased availability it realized.

Questions for further research:
- How much of each compound is contained within ONE peeled whole-grapefruit
- What are the dosages needed of each to elicit an up-regulation of bio-availability with orally ingested nutraceuticals/supplements/steroids, and can this be gotten from pure Grapefruit juice or whole-fruit consumption on a daily basis?
- Do any Grapefruit juice/fruit extracts exist in powdered/encapsulated form that contain BOTH actives of DHB/Naringin in unison (could this be realized in a basic whole-fruit encapsulated version of Grapefruit, or a standardized extract - EVEN IF NOT listed directly on the label)?

PS: I know this has been exhaustively discussed over and over again since its inception in 1989... but I am not specifically discussing its usage with medications, steroids, etc... only natural organic supplements.

 

[StackedCop]

Well even tho we no loner support animal m stak... It has that 6,7 grape fruit juice in it....

 

[Whacked]

lolol

Also, don't worry about not having the exact answer, it'll give me something to research!

 

[Outstanding]

Well even tho we no loner support animal m stak... It has that 6,7 grape fruit juice in it....

Down with M-Stak... bring on the...

lolol

What have I gotten myself into!? The debate is WILD on this subject.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/149958-save-grapefruit-juice.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/81755-grapefruit-juices-effect.html#post2703412

 

[Whacked]

You my friend....are are a research whore!
LMAOOOOO. Great work!!!

 

[Whacked]

Confused on EcdyMorph

1) This is also a test booster. Not interested in that. Do they also carry the pure ECD w/o all the other crap in it? I am just interested in the pure ECD component.

2) It's only got 40mg of the 99% ECD. Isnt that LOW?

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

Confused on EcdyMorph

1) This is also a test booster. Not interested in that. Do they also carry the pure ECD w/o all the other crap in it? I am just interested in the pure ECD component.

2) It's only got 40mg of the 99% ECD. Isnt that LOW?

Sirovi offers an animo acid complex drink called "ENDURE "with EcdyMorph included w/out the test booster but only 25mg per serving. Their humanatest is 40mg per dose but includes test boosters. (40mg of 99% pure ecdy per dose is the highest Ive seen). Theres also Humanaport by "Higher Power"which is Humanafort (GH support) w/ Ecdymorph but its not easy to find...and the ecdy dose I believe is just 20mg per serving.

 

[MAxximal]

Thank you - would Grapefruit Extract be the same or as effective as looking for pure encapsulated Narginin? Also, a side note, I eat at least 1 whole Texas Grape fruit a day, I peel it like an orange and eat the fiber outer skin and all (would this yield any sort of uptick in absorption)?

I also take 300mg DHB with nearly every supplemental ingestion throughout the day

Thanks again for the post.

6,7,-dyhydroxybergamottin (DHB) – optimizing the absorption into the bloodstream.

Emblica Officinalis - increasing absorption within the digestive system.

Bioperine - absorption in the digestive system and increases it's active nutrient transportation in the bloodstream.

 

[Outstanding]

Confused on EcdyMorph

1) This is also a test booster. Not interested in that. Do they also carry the pure ECD w/o all the other crap in it? I am just interested in the pure ECD component.

2) It's only got 40mg of the 99% ECD. Isnt that LOW?

Hey man

1) I enjoy the EcdyMorph + T boosting blend in FREE REIGN, but I have to agree 101% I would be VERY interested if a pure EcdyMorph product existed - however, from all the reading and corresponding I've done with a few people I know in the industry, it is insanely expensive, and on top of that I suppose more companies are either indifferent to it for some reason, or simply unaware because over the years it has gained some black eyes - all largely attributed to the VERY POOR extract yields and ill conceived and conducted research studies.

2) Yes, I do think that is low, which is the amount included in a 2 capsule serving I believe (don't have my bottle with me). However, I take 3 servings per day of 3 capsules... so my bottles go FAST, but the results have been both obvious/undeniable and well worth it. 9 caps per day sustains the active in-vitro, and I stay pumped all day long. The ONLY thing that has EVER kept my pumped like this all day long has been BRIDGE paired with Superdrol, and of course intra-cycle including Test/Tren-Acetate.

 

[Outstanding]

Sirovi offers an animo acid complex drink called "ENDURE "with EcdyMorph included w/out the test booster but only 25mg per serving. Their humanatest is 40mg per dose but includes test boosters. (40mg of 99% pure ecdy per dose is the highest Ive seen). Theres also Humanaport by "Higher Power"which is Humanafort (GH support) w/ Ecdymorph but its not easy to find...and the ecdy dose I believe is just 20mg per serving.

I found this product literally DAYS after it was discontinued by you-know-who, and saw they removed it from the site on 12/17/2010. It looked like a GREAT product, that I would have surely tried. WHY do these products keep disappearing, or never coming to life?

 

[Outstanding]

6,7,-dyhydroxybergamottin (DHB) – optimizing the absorption into the bloodstream.

Emblica Officinalis - increasing absorption within the digestive system.

Bioperine - absorption in the digestive system and increases it's active nutrient transportation in the bloodstream.

Good post! Those three have been working very well for me since I started taking them as stand alone supplements in concert a little over a month ago. I just buy each product separately, and ingest along with my 2 or 3 main supplement servings daily

I have been doing a LOT of ongoing research though, and the downfall I have read about (which are conjecture, from what I understand) is that grapefruit MIGHT lower serum T levels, and Bioperine MIGHT actually decrease absorption in some cases. I don't see how this can be true, or at least substantial enough to give any attention or worry toward.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

I found this product literally DAYS after it was discontinued by you-know-who, and saw they removed it from the site on 12/17/2010. It looked like a GREAT product, that I would have surely tried. WHY do these products keep disappearing, or never coming to life?

I can only speculate on the Humanasport by "Higher Power"...maybe the ecdy is just too expensive for them to purchase....but who knows.

 

[Outstanding]

I can only speculate on the Humanasport by "Higher Power"...maybe the ecdy is just too expensive for them to purchase....but who knows.

Well, if anyone has the funds to purchase quality raws, it's 'that' site, who manufactured it, since Higher Power is their in-house brand.

Also, we have exceeded 5,000 views on this thread - pretty cool.

 

[baldymcgee]

so do we have any leads on pure ecdymorph? i have been eyeing the tonvara trueturk since before it came out. i haven't had the funds to pick it up, but i plan to for sure. i ran "turk caps" from cnw before they were discontinued and they were awewsome at 10 per day. got em of this site's supp auction forum for like $20. seriously felt "on"...never done roids or phs, but this felt like what i imagined them to be like. all day hardness and fullness, ridiculous recovery. and that extract was probably sh!t compared to trueturk

 

[StackedCop]

Well, if anyone has the funds to purchase quality raws, it's 'that' site, who manufactured it, since Higher Power is their in-house brand.

Also, we have exceeded 5,000 views on this thread - pretty cool.

Long live ecdy!!!

 

[Whacked]

U rock. Thanks JF

Sirovi offers an animo acid complex drink called "ENDURE "with EcdyMorph included w/out the test booster but only 25mg per serving. Their humanatest is 40mg per dose but includes test boosters. (40mg of 99% pure ecdy per dose is the highest Ive seen). Theres also Humanaport by "Higher Power"which is Humanafort (GH support) w/ Ecdymorph but its not easy to find...and the ecdy dose I believe is just 20mg per serving.

 

[Whacked]

Let me play devil's advocate for a minute.....

How are you certain it's the ECD that is giving you the results and not any of the other stuff mixed with in?

2) Yes, I do think that is low, which is the amount included in a 2 capsule serving I believe (don't have my bottle with me). However, I take 3 servings per day of 3 capsules... so my bottles go FAST, but the results have been both obvious/undeniable and well worth it. 9 caps per day sustains the active in-vitro, and I stay pumped all day long. The ONLY thing that has EVER kept my pumped like this all day long has been BRIDGE paired with Superdrol, and of course intra-cycle including Test/Tren-Acetate.

 

[Outstanding]

so do we have any leads on pure ecdymorph? i have been eyeing the tonvara trueturk since before it came out. i haven't had the funds to pick it up, but i plan to for sure. i ran "turk caps" from cnw before they were discontinued and they were awewsome at 10 per day. got em of this site's supp auction forum for like $20. seriously felt "on"...never done roids or phs, but this felt like what i imagined them to be like. all day hardness and fullness, ridiculous recovery. and that extract was probably sh!t compared to trueturk

10 caps per day... sounds like a recipe for anabolic awesomeness. Too bad all these products dried up, and now their is a deficit of availability.

 

[Outstanding]

Let me play devil's advocate for a minute.....

How are you certain it's the ECD that is giving you the results and not any of the other stuff mixed with in?

Pacino? That makes me... Reeves.

I used Ecdy before and had similar, albeit not as overt, results such as this. My nutritional regimen never varies, my training is consistent, and my other supplements have remain utterly unchanged for nearly four months now. Judging by the baseline I have established, I can feel a shift in dynamic since introducing EcdyMorph.

 

[ax1]

Finally found what I was looking for.....

This is just to add some contribution to the thread. I remember some of you looking to buy kilo's of this stuff, which costs thousands of dollars. The point is if your in the USA I dont think they will sell it to you.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

Well, if anyone has the funds to purchase quality raws, it's 'that' site, who manufactured it, since Higher Power is their in-house brand.

Also, we have exceeded 5,000 views on this thread - pretty cool.

ah, didnt know it was *their brand*. That makes them pretty cheap bastards then doesn't it.:hmmm:

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

so do we have any leads on pure ecdymorph? i have been eyeing the tonvara trueturk since before it came out. i haven't had the funds to pick it up, but i plan to for sure. i ran "turk caps" from cnw before they were discontinued and they were awewsome at 10 per day. got em of this site's supp auction forum for like $20. seriously felt "on"...never done roids or phs, but this felt like what i imagined them to be like. all day hardness and fullness, ridiculous recovery. and that extract was probably sh!t compared to trueturk

good feedback...reps.

 

[350zTT]

You are leaning toward ecdy BECAUSE REAL ECDY WORKS. I'm sure Turk or ecdymoprh would treat a man with your work ethic very good.

Thanks for the help man! I might try the humana test by sirovi and double dose it...it has the ecdymorph in it! Will give some feedback when I get started!

 

[Innov8004]

doesnt work for me.

 

[StackedCop]

doesnt work for me.

What brand did you use bud?

 

[tnubs]

just thought id share this with everyone. i ran a 25 day cycle of ebol (loved the hell out of it!!!) but today was the last day so i took 6 caps pre workout.... holy fukkkballs. the muscle fullness was on par with being on a prohormone cycle. i felt amazing. i set some PRs and... it was awesome. i didnt have any carbs or fat in my system for 10 hours after my workout and i worked out fasted. IMPRESSIVE!

 

[Whacked]

Agreed. There is something solid about EBOL that works well for me too. Perhaps it's the anti-catabolic attributes of the other adaptogens (Korean Red Ginseng, Ashwaganda) added that assist in mitigating stress (cort levels)?

I wonder what the deal with these are!?!?!?

Ionobol: Ionol (4-Hydroxy-3, 5-Di-Tert-Butyltoluene) 100mg (Ionol is a synthetic antioxidant with lipophilic properties. It is frequently used in fragrances and flavors. Studies suggest that Ionol displays anabolic and anti-catabolic properties)

Rostanabol: (25 R)-5alpha-Spirostan-2alpha, 3beta, 5alpha-Triol-6-OH (Rostanabol is the trademarked name of (25 R)-5alpha-spirostan-2alpha, 3beta, 5alpha-triol-6-OH, also known more simply as 6-keto diosgenin)

The following was said of 6-KETO diosgenin:
"...is a natural derivative of a class of compounds called sapogenins. Similar to ecdysterone, sapogenins are plant sterols (plant hormones) which among exhibiting many other positive health benefits, show potent anabolic properties and have no negative side effects. 6-KETO diosgenin has been shown in rats to (67) have very prominent anabolic effects with no change in testicular or prostate weight and no changes in genitalia (and no androgenic effects). The increased anabolism and growth in subjects receiving 6-keto diosgenin was almost 2 times as high as the control group, yielding astounding anabolic potential. This compound is custom made and world exclusive to ThermoLife International, and due to this fact the amount of information on it is limited. The findings in the above study, combined with the overwhelming positive anecdotal feedback however are extremely promising. Its addition to E-BOL plays a key role in its amazing synergistic effects and takes its anabolic growth potentials to the next level."

 

[ax1]

just thought id share this with everyone. i ran a 25 day cycle of ebol (loved the hell out of it!!!) but today was the last day so i took 6 caps pre workout.... holy fukkkballs. the muscle fullness was on par with being on a prohormone cycle. i felt amazing. i set some PRs and... it was awesome. i didnt have any carbs or fat in my system for 10 hours after my workout and i worked out fasted. IMPRESSIVE!

To bad you werent running a 50 day cycle, the back end of it is usually better.

 

[ax1]

I wonder what the deal with these are!?!?!?

............

Ionobol

Ionobol is the trademarked name of ionol, also known as 4-hydroxy-3, 5-di-tert-butyltoluene, or, more commonly, butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT). Ionol is a synthetic antioxidant with lipophilic properties. It is frequently used in fragrances and flavors. Studies have shown that Ionol displays anabolic and anti-catabolic properties. (Scientists in England recently reported that BHT inhibits muscle protein degradation.)

Ionol also helps maintain the potency of the rest of E-BOL’s ingredients. The amount supplied in each serving of has been selected on the basis of studies documenting its anabolic properties.

Rostanabol

Rostanabol is the trademarked name of (25 R)-5alpha-spirostan-2alpha, 3beta, 5alpha-triol-6-OH, also known more simply as 6-keto diosgenin. ThermoLife was the first company to introduce this substance to the bodybuilding supplement marketplace. Their scientists chose to add it to the new E-BOL formula in light of its powerful anabolic properties and notable lack of androgenic side effects. These properties have been documented in studies published by the same scientists at the Institute of the Chemistry of Plant Substances who studied and named turkesterone. To its knowledge, ThermoLife is the only supplement company that has a copy of the English-translated study on this compound and actually maintains contact with the scientists who conducted it.

The amount of Rostanabol supplied in each serving of E-BOL was chosen based on the original Russian studies. According to ThermoLife scientists, there is no indication that 6-keto diosgenin will stop working after a period of time. Thus, users can get results as long as they continue to supplement their diet and training with E-BOL.

 

[tnubs]

To bad you werent running a 50 day cycle, the back end of it is usually better.

next time i definetly will. just gets a wee bit expensive

 

[350zTT]

I thought about buying 2 bottles of ebol & running it for 30 days at about 8 caps a day.....what do y'all think? Or should I buy the sirovi humana test w ecdymorph & double dose that for 30 days?

 

[ax1]

I thought about buying 2 bottles of ebol & running it for 30 days at about 8 caps a day.....what do y'all think? Or should I buy the sirovi humana test w ecdymorph & double dose that for 30 days?

Have you used it before? If not why not 50 days at 6 caps?

 

[350zTT]

Have you used it before? If not why not 50 days at 6 caps?

No I haven't used it yet! The longer cycle would prob be better! Would you choose the ebol or humana test?

 

[ax1]

No I haven't used it yet! The longer cycle would prob be better! Would you choose the ebol or humana test?

Never used humana test.

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

I thought about buying 2 bottles of ebol & running it for 30 days at about 8 caps a day.....what do y'all think? Or should I buy the sirovi humana test w ecdymorph & double dose that for 30 days?

Either option of double dosing would be just as costly as running 4 caps a day of TrueTurk. Food for thought. ;-)

 

[350zTT]

Either option of double dosing would be just as costly as running 4 caps a day of TrueTurk. Food for thought. ;-)

hhhhmmmm! You make a very good point! The true Turk is very tempting!

 

[tnubs]

Either option of double dosing would be just as costly as running 4 caps a day of TrueTurk. Food for thought. ;-)

but at the same time theres not a single review for trueturk

 

[StackedCop]

but at the same time theres not a single review for trueturk

I know!! All i want is to see one freaking review!!

 

[Whacked]

YES

For me, the ''magic'' of ECD takes weeks for me to notice but I usually run it 3-4 months at a time as the results seems to stall at this point so I take ~ 1-2 months off.

The longer cycle would prob be better!

 

[Outstanding]

Finally found what I was looking for.....

This is just to add some contribution to the thread. I remember some of you looking to buy kilo's of this stuff, which costs thousands of dollars. The point is if your in the USA I dont think they will sell it to you.

Well, the 10% Turk, MAYBE... but I've gotten quotes on Ecdy, of which the 99% EcdyMorph is of course the most expensive, around $1,300 per 1kg (1,000g), followed by 98% Ecdy and so on and so forth in the pricing AND efficacy hierarchy.

All I know is I have NOT tried True Turk, but I HAVE tried Ecdy, in varying concentrations/purities, and EcdyMorph DOES exhibit an appreciable difference in quality.

ah, didnt know it was *their brand*. That makes them pretty cheap bastards then doesn't it.:hmmm:

Maybe... but if it didn't sell, although BB.com clears the 100MM threshold of net income if memory serves me correct, they are more focused on moving product. Ecdy, at least HIGH grade, which is the ONLY Ecdysterone worthy of purchase and use, is by far the most underrated supplement throughout the entire market. It flies below the radar, primarily after giving it some thought, because companies don't want to spend the money on the raws, when they can simply keep coming out with recycled mundane products with fairy dusting and high profit margins.

Thanks for the help man! I might try the humana test by sirovi and double dose it...it has the ecdymorph in it! Will give some feedback when I get started!

Well, unfortunately I don't get any paychecks for saying this, but FREE REIGN is by far the most dynamic product I have ever tried over the years containing Ecdy, of which the content is ECDYMORPH specifically, which is paired with an entire Test boosting blend AND Humanofort.

I have officially been on for over a month now, and kind of hate it in a way... because I know I will never stop taking it, at least when I'm between cycles (Bridge) or on PCT. Oh well, I'll gladly cut out something else to make way for the needed finances.

just thought id share this with everyone. i ran a 25 day cycle of ebol (loved the hell out of it!!!) but today was the last day so i took 6 caps pre workout.... holy fukkkballs. the muscle fullness was on par with being on a prohormone cycle. i felt amazing. i set some PRs and... it was awesome. i didnt have any carbs or fat in my system for 10 hours after my workout and i worked out fasted. IMPRESSIVE!

I KNOW! You're making me so..... what's the word, I almost wanted to say aroused... but YEAH, aroused! The pump is orgasmic! Before critical upper body workouts, or when I want to reward myself for something of significance, I'll double dose my EcdyMorph, and have a workout worth emailing home about.

I thought about buying 2 bottles of ebol & running it for 30 days at about 8 caps a day.....what do y'all think? Or should I buy the sirovi humana test w ecdymorph & double dose that for 30 days?

If you do, let us know.

No I haven't used it yet! The longer cycle would prob be better! Would you choose the ebol or humana test?

I notice an effect of EcdyMorph within the first 2 weeks, due to it's leaning effects, as long as my nutrition is on point. It goes to work fast and upon first dosage though, in ways we can't easily measure or feel, but ways that nonetheless should still be appreciated (adaptogenic).

but at the same time theres not a single review for trueturk

Exactly. Although I, too, have admitted interest in this product... out of the THOUSANDS of views and multiple pages of this thread on one of the most recognizable and visited forums on the 'net, it's shady and disheartening not to have ONE review.

I know!! All i want is to see one freaking review!!

X2! I simply won't be a guinea pig, especially when it comes to my hypertrophic endeavors AND finances!

YES

For me, the ''magic'' of ECD takes weeks for me to notice but I usually run it 3-4 months at a time as the results seems to stall at this point so I take ~ 1-2 months off.

Kicks in MUCH faster for me... but of course I also increase bio-availability by dosing with a few supplements I have chosen for their specific action, AND I also take more than suggested on the bottle (not to mention my training is controlled insanity, and my nutrition is always nearing the mark of perfection).

PS: I'll be continuing my EcdyMorph dissemination over at my journal... come in and subscribe please. You won't be disappointed! http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/160303-outstanding-log-anabolic-13.html#post2709502

 

[Whacked]

Arrghhhhh.....from Tonvara:

"""Dear XXXXXXXXX

Thank you for your valued order.
We would like to advise you that due to unprecedented recent demand for TrueTurk, we are temporarily out of stock until later this week. This does not usually happen but due to the unexpected additional demand and the holiday closure of our contract tablet manufacturer, we have found ourselves in this unfortunate and unavoidable position.

We sincerely apologise for the delay and will advise you as soon as your order ships.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Best Regards""""

<-------zero patience!

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

Whacked, that sucks!
I wouldnt worry though..Turk is what they do so they'll come through..maybe ask them to throw in some extra for the inconvenience ;-)

 

[Whacked]

Smart Idea! Im on it!!

WOOT

Whacked, that sucks!
I wouldnt worry though..Turk is what they do so they'll come through..maybe ask them to throw in some extra for the inconvenience ;-)

 

[VaughnTrue]

would anyone here be interested in a very affordable but high dosed ecdy product? Along the same lines as the Fadogia-500 in price...

 

[tnubs]

would anyone here be interested in a very affordable but high dosed ecdy product? Along the same lines as the Fadogia-500 in price...

definetly

 

[scoooter]

would anyone here be interested in a very affordable but high dosed ecdy product? Along the same lines as the Fadogia-500 in price...

Yes, so long as it is RCE and not CV.

 

[StackedCop]

would anyone here be interested in a very affordable but high dosed ecdy product? Along the same lines as the Fadogia-500 in price...

As long as it's Ecdymorph

 

[Whacked]

THIS! .........or PURE TURK

As long as it's Ecdymorph

 

[VaughnTrue]

As long as it's Ecdymorph

We use ecdymorph in Testabolan v2 right now, and i honestly feel its the best ecdy out there.

The main issue we run into is price however. The avg person thinks you need 500mg+/day of Ecdy for a good cycle, and this is ONLY possible to use a 95% extract. 500mg/day of Ecdymorph woul dbe like a $300 bottle!

We can do Ecdymorph, but it will be realistic doses.

Yes, so long as it is RCE and not CV.

100% RCE no CV is ever used by us

THIS! .........or PURE TURK

lol no turk from us, too much drama/unanswered questions

 

[Whacked]

We can do Ecdymorph

SALIVATING AS WE SPEAK!

no turk from us, too much drama/unanswered questions

Uh oh! What do you mean?