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PreMax - The most effective pre-workout performance drink!

poison said:
That was mainly pointed at Beater, not everyone else. See, PreMax is more like 'nutrition' than 'supplementation'; it's near-perfect pre-event/pre-workout nutrition. And just like most people are too stupid to get their nutrition/diet right, ie they just don't get 'it'; so these same people will look at PreMax's nutritional profile, and totally miss the point, because they're looking for a magic 'supplement' shortcut. NoXplode is the number 1 selling supp because you FEEL it, not because it packs on mass. These NoXplode buyers will take a single dose of PreMax, and diss it: "b...b...but I didn't feel anything, so it sucks!".

As for test, well...sure, test is great, and no ergogenic aid compares. However, test does not displace PreMax; you still need your pre-workout nutrition. I seriously see PreMax as being for high-level athletes, or very serious weekend warriors who 'get it'. No one else need apply.

The flip side is that when you add up a creatine supp and a test booster, which MANY here are on, maybe add in some Xtend, you're looking at more than $50/month, for most people. In light of a $50 can of Premax and a $3 tub of Nutra creatine, it's very much comparable in price.
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the $50 can of premax is 10 days, not a months supply.
 
poison said:
That was mainly pointed at Beater, not everyone else. See, PreMax is more like 'nutrition' than 'supplementation'; it's near-perfect pre-event/pre-workout nutrition. And just like most people are too stupid to get their nutrition/diet right, ie they just don't get 'it'; so these same people will look at PreMax's nutritional profile, and totally miss the point, because they're looking for a magic 'supplement' shortcut. NoXplode is the number 1 selling supp because you FEEL it, not because it packs on mass. These NoXplode buyers will take a single dose of PreMax, and diss it: "b...b...but I didn't feel anything, so it sucks!".

As for test, well...sure, test is great, and no ergogenic aid compares. However, test does not displace PreMax; you still need your pre-workout nutrition. I seriously see PreMax as being for high-level athletes, or very serious weekend warriors who 'get it'. No one else need apply.

The flip side is that when you add up a creatine supp and a test booster, which MANY here are on, maybe add in some Xtend, you're looking at more than $50/month, for most people. In light of a $50 can of Premax and a $3 tub of Nutra creatine, it's very much comparable in price.
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I "FEEL" more Jack3d then NO EXPLODE, the only reason why NO Exlode sells well is because its been around for a long time, and there is a poop load of advertisements of it.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I have been crunching numbers since the stuff came out.

I know its good stuff, thats why im subd to all the threads.

My current pre, intra and post powders are only 3.80 combined.

Even if i take an additional scoop or add something else in, Im not over 5.00 buck for all 3........

We are talking JP8, PW and Pro Complex and Oats(dirt cheap).
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Like I said, I really see it as being most useful for people nearing their maximum natural potential (or surpassing it with roids). It's going to shave seconds off your 100m, or your speed-skating. It'll add 2.5lbs to your 850lb DL. Most of us can acheive those increases with nothing but smarter training and eating alone, as we're not even close to maxed out in potential.

thebigt said:
the $50 can of premax is 10 days, not a months supply.
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And I don't see it as being needed before every workout, though it certainly wouldn't hurt. And again, if you're a pro-anything, $100/month is nothing to improve performance.

andrew732 said:
I "FEEL" more Jack3d then NO EXPLODE, the only reason why NO Exlode sells well is because its been around for a long time, and there is a poop load of advertisements of it.
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NoXplode isn't awful. It has a noticable amount of citrulline, and I love the energy it gives. Only White Flood makes me happier, stim energy-wise, go figure. Many people agree. But that doesn't make it a highly effective performance enhancer (unless you count the 'it got me out of the car/couch and into the gym after a long hard day of work' factor, in which case it's God's gift to mere mortals :D ).
 
poison said:
Like I said, I really see it as being most useful for people nearing their maximum natural potential (or surpassing it with roids). It's going to shave seconds off your 100m, or your speed-skating. It'll add 2.5lbs to your 850lb DL. Most of us can acheive those increases with nothing but smarter training and eating alone, as we're not even close to maxed out in potential.



And I don't see it as being needed before every workout, though it certainly wouldn't hurt. And again, if you're a pro-anything, $100/month is nothing to improve performance.



NoXplode isn't awful. It has a noticable amount of citrulline, and I love the energy it gives. Only White Flood makes me happier, stim energy-wise, go figure. Many people agree. But that doesn't make it a highly effective performance enhancer (unless you count the 'it got me out of the car/couch and into the gym after a long hard day of work' factor, in which case it's God's gift to mere mortals :D ).
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Did not say it was aweful, just said I feel more with Jack3d than NO Explode, hands down the best combo is GPLC and Jack3d, throw in a little subthlamine.
 
Man, I simply can't stand geranamine. The only exception was IBE Matrix, and I question the ingredient list on there, it felt illicit. Like touched-by-the-hand-of-God good. No Jack3d for me.

And seriously, though I use caffeine regularly, chronic high-level stim use is not good for performance. Period. It's only useful pre-event (again, outside the 'it got me off the couch and deadlifting' effect, which IS priceless).
 
Kristofer68SS said:
IMO, 5 dollars a serving for anything but real test would be stupid.
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today I spent $6.75 on a diet coke, $7 on a burger, $8 on a turkey leg and $4 on some fries at a buccaneers game to watch them suck miserably against the saints. That would have paid for almost half a tub of premax. Did I get much from the bucs game?

And you are telling me you haven't yourself or at least seen others pay $6-7 for a smoothie?
 
EasyEJL said:
today I spent $6.75 on a diet coke, $7 on a burger, $8 on a turkey leg and $4 on some fries at a buccaneers game to watch them suck miserably against the saints. That would have paid for almost half a tub of premax. Did I get much from the bucs game?

And you are telling me you haven't yourself or at least seen others pay $6-7 for a smoothie?
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Saints are solid this year. Ballpark prices are in the sky as well. I dont go there unless i get free tickets. Watched the Rams lose again today.

Yeah, the smoothie thing. Seen it? Sure. Done it, Nope. I just laugh.

Not all of us live up in the cribs like you Easy. :)
 
MrBigPR said:
Glad you like it Texas...she likes you too!:kiss:
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Send her to me and shell love me.

Kristofer68SS said:
I have been crunching numbers since the stuff came out.

I know its good stuff, thats why im subd to all the threads.

My current pre, intra and post powders are only 3.80 combined.

Even if i take an additional scoop or add something else in, Im not over 5.00 buck for all 3........

We are talking JP8, PW and Pro Complex and Oats(dirt cheap).
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Quality has a price. /thread. If cost is that much of an issue, training is recreational and probably doesnt demand something like that.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Saints are solid this year. Ballpark prices are in the sky as well. I dont go there unless i get free tickets.

Yeah, the smoothie thing. Seen it? Sure. Done it, Nope. I just laugh.

Not all of us live up in the cribs like you Easy. :)
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A friend has season tix, and the bucs are sucking so badly that nobody particularly wants to go see them lose again :D

I don't quite have the money right now myself to spend on premax, but I can definitely see where the price isn't outrageous either for the ingredients or for people who are all natural. If you are an NCAA tested athlete, or seriously competing in natural competitions, this would make a noticeable difference. if it wasn't for me coming into christmas season with 3 kids this year, i'd have bought a tub already to try. Things are tight even in the gated communities ;)
 
I understand the sentiment that the product is not cheap. However, PreMax is a product that sports some researched, proven, quality ingredients, and it does not hide behind a proprietary blend. It's not your typical product.

Personally, I can guarantee that there are plenty of things I could/should cut from my daily spending. If everyone examined their daily spending habits in detail, I can almost guarantee that there would be money wasted on items like energy drinks, sodas, fast food, sweets, coffee, snacks, etc.

Also, like some have suggested, it may be a good idea to simply use PreMax prior to training lagging body parts.

I know not everyone will be able to afford this product, but I am glad Primordial put it out on the market. I think our community needs more products like this.
 
simmons said:
I understand the sentiment that the product is not cheap. However, PreMax is a product that sports some researched, proven, quality ingredients, and it does not hide behind a proprietary blend. It's not your typical product.

Personally, I can guarantee that there are plenty of things I could/should cut from my daily spending. If everyone examined their daily spending habits in detail, I can almost guarantee that there would be money wasted on items like energy drinks, sodas, fast food, sweets, coffee, snacks, etc.

Also, like some have suggested, it may be a good idea to simply use PreMax prior to training lagging body parts.

I know not everyone will be able to afford this product, but I am glad Primordial put it out on the market. I think our community needs more products like this.
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I know its G2G. I will have to try it for sure. I just need a black friday push in that direction.

:)
 
EasyEJL said:
today I spent $6.75 on a diet coke, $7 on a burger, $8 on a turkey leg and $4 on some fries at a buccaneers game to watch them suck miserably against the saints. That would have paid for almost half a tub of premax. Did I get much from the bucs game?

And you are telling me you haven't yourself or at least seen others pay $6-7 for a smoothie?
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whats a smoothie? i grew up poor, my pop always told me it's not only how much you make it's how you spend it. there might be a day when people living high might wish they had watched their money a little closer. just because you might have a few extra bucks doesn't mean you have to be stupid about spending it.
 
The coupon code PREMAX10 will save you guys 10% off Premax at Invalid Link Removed

That price will hold for this Thanksgiving weekend sale too...

-Eric
 
EasyEJL said:
And you are telling me you haven't yourself or at least seen others pay $6-7 for a smoothie?
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You pay $7 bucks for a smoothie after most of your workouts or what? I don't even do that after any of my workouts? If you feel content to keep getting ripped off go ahead and do that on your clock. But for some strange reason while others are requesting a lower price you are fighting for a higher price. Talk about shooting yourself and all the others here in the foot. You should have a neg train ran on you or should just remain quiet.
 
poison said:
You can't eat 50gr carbs 30 minutes before entering the cage or starting the mt bike race; you'll puke, and lose. You can, however, dose 'processed' carbs, be it dextrose or PreMax, immediately before activity, or during. That can be the difference between 1st and 2nd place.
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Yup! As a trainer on my feet at times for hours I can get stuck being so busy that I miss my mid morning snack or my pre-workout meal and this is when I discovered how benificial waxy maize was. I would down 60-90grams of waxy maize with a scoop of whey protein and creatine and be ready to workout in 30minutes. I just didn't have the time to get a meal, wait around for it to settle and workout. By that time I would be ready to work again. Sometimes you hit a wall during your workouts too. You can quick put some carbs in your shake with some protein and then keep going in a short time. I imagine for a athlete who uses explosive moves such as a fighter who might be experiecing hypoglycemia during rounds some carbs can make all the difference.
 
beater, do you suffer from depression or do you just like always like being negative? or are you pissed that your financial situation doesn't allow you to purchase this product. whats the deal



Beater said:
You pay $7 bucks for a smoothie after most of your workouts or what? I don't even do that after any of my workouts? If you feel content to keep getting ripped off go ahead and do that on your clock. But for some strange reason while others are requesting a lower price you are fighting for a higher price. Talk about shooting yourself and all the others here in the foot. You should have a neg train ran on you or should just remain quiet.
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poison said:
Listen, there isn't anything else out there that compares to premax. It's a macro-supplement: it provides the macros you need to performs at 100%, along with a nice antioxidant and testosterone-support formula (carnitine); it provides these in the most effective, efficient forms of these macros possible in clinically proven dosages. It's quite unlike other pre-workout supplements which provide non-essential nutrients like arginine, or stims, or just carbs like Accelerade/Gatorade.

If your goal is performance, be it a PR in deadlift, a world record in downhill skiing, or winning an MMA match, or practicing for any of those, PreMax will be your best friend.

My opinion? If you don't see the point of PreMax, your shouldn't bother using it. (In other words, if you're too dumb to get it, well, it ain't gonna help stupid anyway, so stay away).

;)
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Why are you fighting for a high prices? I seriously do not understand why you have not been negged to oblivion for this. Everyone is saying it is too expensive and here you are saying "no guys the price is fair it is a great sup(paraphrased)". How about not fighting for high prices you douche?
 
qwerty33 said:
beater, do you suffer from depression or do you just like always like being negative? or are you pissed that your financial situation doesn't allow you to purchase this product. whats the deal
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I am on the consumers side. I am tired of seeing people ripped off. The supplement industry has made so much money off of kids wanting that edge and going down the $50 bucks for a couple weeks supply route is insane. I can get GH for less than this.
 
qwerty33 said:
makes sense. its exp but great for the natural builder
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so is GH.

edit: I am not supporting GH use. I am merely trying to make a point. This sup is expensive and I really think something this expensive should have some serious serious results. Maybe one might be a little depleted before their workout and this will get them back on track. A nutricious snack and some decent planning will def benefit way more as far long term performance/gains go.
 
Jimbo15 said:
^^This^^

Pre Max isn't marked up much at all. The raw ingredients for this are expensive. And Pre Max contains clinically effective doses of many.
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what is that in your sig?

I am going to go ahead and leave this thread. My voice has been heard.
 
Beater said:
what is that in your sig?

I am going to go ahead and leave this thread. My voice has been heard.
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Me letting everyone know who I am. Validating that I would probably know just how expensive all of these ingredients are.
 
Beater said:
I am on the consumers side. I am tired of seeing people ripped off. The supplement industry has made so much money off of kids wanting that edge and going down the $50 bucks for a couple weeks supply route is insane. I can get GH for less than this.
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This isn't the forum, or the thread, or the product to air this gripe. This forum isn't B B.com, it's a slightly higher level of discourse than that, despite your presence here. This thread is not about some questionable product full of unproven ingredients being hyped by moron reps; quite the opposite.

You are right; there are tons of bad supplements out there. Guess what? There are ****ty cars, ****ty watches, ****ty jeans, even ****ty FDA approved drugs. People need to be smart about what they buy, and with the internet, it's easier than ever before to get a decent idea of what is good and what sucks. This forum is a great place to ask questions about supps, and weed out the BS. We get it, you take personal offense at the **** being sold out there. Move the **** along.

As for GH? There's no way you're buying quality GH for $50.

Premax isn't being pushed toward kids. ZERO outrageous claims are being made. MOST people simply don't get it, and won't benefit. Those who will, will benefit greatly. Kids simply aren't going to give this a second glance...but if they do, guess what? It's a hell of a lot better than some moron kid trying Havoc, ****ing himself up, sueing RPN, the company folding, and the spotlight being put on ALL supps because of it. A kid can snort a whole tub of PreMax with nothing but a good workout pump and dusty nose to show for it. No harm, no foul, RPN could still be in business making supps I want.

But yeah, YOU'RE sick of blahblahblah. Tard.
 
Beater said:
what is that in your sig?

I am going to go ahead and leave this thread. My voice has been heard.
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Flaw said:
Yup! As a trainer on my feet at times for hours I can get stuck being so busy that I miss my mid morning snack or my pre-workout meal and this is when I discovered how benificial waxy maize was. I would down 60-90grams of waxy maize with a scoop of whey protein and creatine and be ready to workout in 30minutes. I just didn't have the time to get a meal, wait around for it to settle and workout. By that time I would be ready to work again. Sometimes you hit a wall during your workouts too. You can quick put some carbs in your shake with some protein and then keep going in a short time. I imagine for a athlete who uses explosive moves such as a fighter who might be experiecing hypoglycemia during rounds some carbs can make all the difference.
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I really agree. Fighters, Gymnasts, skiiers, etc will really love it. I do judo, and I bet it would really help.

About the cost: I used to be a serious mt biker. I weighed 165. Over 3 years I built up to 195. I used various supps, but one of the best things I do on a bulk is drink an ABB drink with 40gr carbs, 40gr whey before and during my workout. It's AWESOME for performance. Guess what? It's also $3.25 a workout. 3 workouts a week.

So, if I can ever get myself out of the effing unemployment line, and provide or my kids, I'll be trying PreMax. Until then, I won't.
 
Beater said:
Why are you fighting for a high prices? I seriously do not understand why you have not been negged to oblivion for this. Everyone is saying it is too expensive and here you are saying "no guys the price is fair it is a great sup(paraphrased)". How about not fighting for high prices you douche?
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Nope, try again. "Everyone" has not said that. You again fabricate the general consensus to fit your feeble attempt at an arguement. It's already been disclosed numerous times why Pre Max is priced where it's at.

We can all see that you've already been "negged to oblivion" yourself prior to entering this thread; the shoe fits, eh beater?
 
Premax is a great supplement geared toward the more "serious" lifter. If you don't understand nutrition and how the ingredients work, this isn't for you.
 
Beater said:
You pay $7 bucks for a smoothie after most of your workouts or what? I don't even do that after any of my workouts? If you feel content to keep getting ripped off go ahead and do that on your clock. But for some strange reason while others are requesting a lower price you are fighting for a higher price. Talk about shooting yourself and all the others here in the foot. You should have a neg train ran on you or should just remain quiet.
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Are you seriously that dense? If anyone should be quiet its you. I imagine any jewelery you've ever bought is ****ty plated stuff because "it looks just as good as real gold but its cheaper". You are a whiny broke ass bitch and can't afford it, probably living jobless in mommy and daddy's basement. Thats fine, just shut up, we've already figured that out.

Nobody here is arguing for a higher or lower price because we don't set the price, Primordial does. Primordial set the price based on what it costs. The results of the product are well documented with studies, so it definitely works. You feel its not worth spending that for what the results probably are, but nobody here cares what you think, as your reputation shows. So why don't you go play somewhere else.
 
EasyEJL said:
nobody here cares what you think, as your reputation shows. So why don't you go play somewhere else.
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To be fair, having tons of positive reps or negative reps should not matter when it comes to discussion. He has the right to voice his opinion, just as you do.
I am in no way taking sides; however, the ignore button is a powerful tool in which can be used at anytime.

On a more related course: I should receive mine sometime this week... I hope! :food:
 
Yeah, he's just getting under my skin at this point, which of course is what he wants.

Its fair and reasonable for him to say "I don't think I would get the kind of results from this to justify me spending $5 per serving" and i'd have no argument with that. I couldn't, because its a subjective statement relying on him and his personal situation.

Making what sounds like an objective statement questioning the value for everyone else is what irritates me as for an all natural competitor / ncaa athlete this is probably the best thing you can get, or if you make enough money/have enough disposable income then $5 a serving isn't a huge deal. And I think a majority of the people here could manage to clip $50 from a months supplement budget to try a tub of this as I bet there is a pretty small amount spending less than that here.
 
machinehead said:
Don't feed the trolls
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No kidding, lol. This beater is all over the forum stirring alot of pots.

Iron Lungz said:
To be fair, having tons of positive reps or negative reps should not matter when it comes to discussion. He has the right to voice his opinion, just as you do.
I am in no way taking sides; however, the ignore button is a powerful tool in which can be used at anytime.

On a more related course: I should receive mine sometime this week... I hope! :food:
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I agree, he should be able to have his opinion....... Whether I agree or not.

Reps for you guys.
 
Beater said:
What results can expected to be seen from this product? For $50 there better be some serious real world results.
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I'd check out Nattydisaster's log, he's absolutely loving this product so far mate.
 
I shot a PM over to T1, but I'll repost my question here since it may benefit others:

How will stimulants interact with pre-max? Occasionally the cup of coffee or even a few RPM's boosts my workouts... is there any downside to combining these two?
 
Highlanda01602 said:
I shot a PM over to T1, but I'll repost my question here since it may benefit others:

How will stimulants interact with pre-max? Occasionally the cup of coffee or even a few RPM's boosts my workouts... is there any downside to combining these two?
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Stimulants shouldn't have a negative effect; the carbs and protein sources are synthetic forms of food. They are much more superior than food in the way they aid in protein synthesis and such.
 
MrBigPR said:
Stimulants shouldn't have a negative effect; the carbs and protein sources are synthetic forms of food. They are much more superior than food in the way they aid in protein synthesis and such.
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When did supplements surpass whole foods, I never got that memo.

srs.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
When did supplements surpass whole foods, I never got that memo.

srs.
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Well PeptoPro for example, is predigested so for THIS CASE, a preworkout, it is superior. It wont give any stomach issues or anything like that while working out. Which it doesnt. And the amino's are delivered faster. It's relative

Supplements, in general, are not better than whole foods, in general, though.
 
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