hcgenerate never again

Cool said:
Who cares? If it's to expensive for u don't buy it! Don't start turning AM to a cry fest like BB.com please.
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you and another guy earlier need to read the thread before you make a dumb as$ statement. i never said it was too expensive for me. its ****^y business on ntbm part to charge this much for a t-booster just because it sells out. its a principal thing. they are simply gouging their customers no matter what way you slice it. as others have said you dont see any other supp company pulling this crap. pathetic to say the least. i was a big supporter of this company up until i saw the pre sale this morning. now they can lick my sack. end rant
 
Skigazzi said:
If you pay more than $40 for this 'profile', frankly you deserve to feel stupid...god bless capitalism?
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Well Trib does nothing to raise test, there's anecdotal evidence due to the fact that the increase in libido is generally correlated with an assumption that this is raised T levels but its not the case, it does increase dopamine levels and stimulates the seminal vesicle organ. Vitamin E....great, Zinc at 7mg well.........

Wheres the Fadogia coming from ? Unless its been tested by Dr. Yakubu ( just like the whole Bulbine thing which he discovered as well as Fadogia ) then I don't trust it.

There's other companies that are charging double on there site than what you could get at nutra but this is a product that I wouldn't even entertain, there's a couple of other products from other companies that have the same ingredients for the fraction of the cost.

I will give NTBM credit for not listing proprietary.
 
Primordial Perf said:
Sh*t... and all of them are out of stock right now from high demand... we better raise the price to 299.95...
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dont forget the most important part though, free shipping
 
BigBlackGuy said:
No, a lot of people are interested in an "answer". But if you want to keep bringing up Primordial, maybe eventually they won't. That would be a good way to get the thread swept under the rug ;)
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Since that's the very FIRST time I mentioned PP I'll assume you just didn't read the thread before you posted that. Just seemed to me that besides the original poster who had a legitimate bitch IMO, most everyone else in this thread is a rep for one of the aforementioned companies.

I use products from both. Always have. Probably always will.

For the record I don't believe anything needs to be "swept under the rug". I mentioned this once before, this is the SECOND time the price has jumped on pre order for this same supp. I don't really see the big difference between last time and this time. I didn't think it was a good idea the first time and I still don't but that probably won't matter to anybody. LOL
 
Rahl said:
Since that's the very FIRST time I mentioned PP I'll assume you just didn't read the thread before you posted that. Just seemed to me that besides the original poster who had a legitimate bitch IMO, most everyone else in this thread is a rep for one of the aforementioned companies.

I use products from both. Always have. Probably always will.

For the record I don't believe anything needs to be "swept under the rug". I mentioned this once before, this is the SECOND time the price has jumped on pre order for this same supp. I don't really see the big difference between last time and this time. I didn't think it was a good idea the first time and I still don't but that probably won't matter to anybody. LOL
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Assumptions really make an ass out of you. ;)

Just saying, making it out like this thread turned into PP vs. N2 is ridiculous.
 
The reps will be bias towards the company they represent and I wouldn't expect anything less and that is not a bad thing, everyone here has a section of the sandbox but will everyone play nice ??? it doesn't seem to be the case but the fact that threads as of of lately here seem to always have a propensity to fall by the wayside is beyond me, give credit to NTBM where credit is due and the same goes for PP * which shouldn't have been mentioned * if NTBM is raising the price and then lowering it then fine go ahead and do that.

Nate seems like a good guy and I'm sure his intentions aren't to screw the consumers.
 
C'mon, another price thread? If the price is distastefully high, vote with your wallets. I'm sure any company will get the message, whether it's gouging or just high price materials! It's the basis of capitalism that prices fluctuate depending on the market; basic supply and demand (basically all I learned in Economics).

What I am looking forward to is products that are cheap and effective! We should have threads about those!!!
 
I will say this, the last time that I asked needto why the price increased for HCGenerate, the explanation given to me was that it gives the opportunity for others to try it who have not had the chance to try it due to it being out of stock and eventually the price WILL GO DOWN to normal.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, lets not bash each other LOL, for that we ought to make an octagon so people can settle it out.
 
andrew732 said:
I will say this, the last time that I asked needto why the price increased for HCGenerate, the explanation given to me was that it gives the opportunity for others to try it who have not had the chance to try it due to it being out of stock and eventually the price WILL GO DOWN to normal.
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we've heard that explanation in this thread several times and it is ludicrous. There are other supplement companies that market extremely popular supps that routinely sell out and none of them resort to these sort of tactics. To all of those that continue to post that it's supply and demand, basic economics blah blah blah get serious for a minute, that may be true of oil futures or gold standards but what other example of this can anyone quote in the supplement industry? Yes they have the right to do it strictly speaking but just because you have the right doesn't mean you should do it and it does appear to many to be a shady practice.
 
andrew732 said:
I will say this, the last time that I asked needto why the price increased for HCGenerate, the explanation given to me was that it gives the opportunity for others to try it who have not had the chance to try it due to it being out of stock and eventually the price WILL GO DOWN to normal.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, lets not bash each other LOL, for that we ought to make an octagon so people can settle it out.
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So..with no signature tag or anything, the average consumer should assume you are not a affiliated with Need2? Just making sure.
 
I won't be paying 100 dollars for a test booster but I'll still buy NTBM and PP products regardless. If its ever around 50 dollars then I might use it.
 
Most interesting of all is the lack of a response from Nathan, he normally loves to jump into these type of threads and flex his explanatory muscles (which everyone wants to read).
 
BUCKNUTS said:
we've heard that explanation in this thread several times and it is ludicrous. There are other supplement companies that market extremely popular supps that routinely sell out and none of them resort to these sort of tactics. To all of those that continue to post that it's supply and demand, basic economics blah blah blah get serious for a minute, that may be true of oil futures or gold standards but what other example of this can anyone quote in the supplement industry? Yes they have the right to do it strictly speaking but just because you have the right doesn't mean you should do it and it does appear to many to be a shady practice.
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Depending upon popularity and to differing degrees:

Myofusion
Jack3d
Erase
Alpha-T2
Recompadrol
Eviscerate
AlphaBurn
(note, I like all of these and have bought each one multiple times!)

Granted comparisons can always be skewed and interpreted differently, and you can pick out nuance to it.

Fact remains YOU have a choice as the consumer, and the LOUDEST response you'll get is by not buying something (in a capitalist sense). Supplements are subject to the same market forces, so citing other industries isn't proving a point.

I guess my plead is to stop the senseless threads and vote with your wallet, where "industry" will listen the most. No need to clutter and add drama, the misc is there for that!
 
HereToStudy said:
So..with no signature tag or anything, the average consumer should assume you are not a affiliated with Need2? Just making sure.
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Why so coy? If you know something, why play games? :shocked1:

No hate, just girly drama IMO... :love:
 
Milas said:
Depending upon popularity and to differing degrees:

Myofusion
Jack3d
Erase
Alpha-T2
Recompadrol
Eviscerate
AlphaBurn
(note, I like all of these and have bought each one multiple times!)
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I don't recall any of those basing pricing on supply vs demand. If anything they've adjusted their prices upwards and downwards based on changes in costs. Thats the way 99% of supplement companies price product, they determine their necessary minimal profit margin on a product, calculate the cost of the product, containers, etc and then round up to the next dollar as far as calculating a launch price. Then as you reach higher volume price can go down, or if cost of ingredients goes up then price goes up, but i cant even imagine Genomyx raising the price on alphaburn because people want it. Or erase/alpha T2, if anything their price has gone down since launch, even with spotty availability at times.
 
EasyEJL said:
I don't recall any of those basing pricing on supply vs demand. If anything they've adjusted their prices upwards and downwards based on changes in costs. Thats the way 99% of supplement companies price product, they determine their necessary minimal profit margin on a product, calculate the cost of the product, containers, etc and then round up to the next dollar as far as calculating a launch price. Then as you reach higher volume price can go down, or if cost of ingredients goes up then price goes up, but i cant even imagine Genomyx raising the price on alphaburn because people want it. Or erase/alpha T2, if anything their price has gone down since launch, even with spotty availability at times.
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When I bought Alpha-T2 and Erase, they were $20. I've seen them in stacks regularly around $20. That's about the lowest it will go with the exception of sales where it dips to ~$18. Based on some very basic education, you could guess $20 is at the least cost recovery and acceptable margin. Granted that margin isn't enough to cover slippage, loss, theft, promos, and risk; and you'll have to add that in from time to time. The price today is higher because people want it, they know the demand for it, and there are not a credible supply of replacements in peoples' minds. Therefore the market can bear that higher price. It's not gouging or unscrupulous, it's business, and I'm happy to spend my money on it.

Same thing with RPN/Genomyx. If you don't have the business part down, even if you have great products (as these companies do) you won't last. I've bought Alpha-Burn and Eviscerate at much lower market prices, not just sales, and did so happily. I cannot get those prices any more. Does that mean I start a thread, even if they offered it for 3x the price? No, I may PM them to say WTF, or I may shop elsewhere, but I don't need to be all girly drama either.

I have lots of respect for DSade and Natty, so don't take any of this as a call out of RPN/Genomyx or PES, they are both awesome and I'll continue to buy their high quality products.

Again, all I'm saying is there's no need for this kind of "bodybuilding drama." What's next, calling out NutraPlanet for not having as good of sales as last year, or as many?
 
Milas said:
Depending upon popularity and to differing degrees:

Myofusion
Jack3d
Erase
Alpha-T2
Recompadrol
Eviscerate
AlphaBurn
(note, I like all of these and have bought each one multiple times!)

Granted comparisons can always be skewed and interpreted differently, and you can pick out nuance to it.

Fact remains YOU have a choice as the consumer, and the LOUDEST response you'll get is by not buying something (in a capitalist sense). Supplements are subject to the same market forces, so citing other industries isn't proving a point.

I guess my plead is to stop the senseless threads and vote with your wallet, where "industry" will listen the most. No need to clutter and add drama, the misc is there for that!
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no chance that any of these companies did with all of these very popular supplements what ntbm does, no freakin way this is simply a falsehood. As far as I'm concerned threads like this one are about a lot more than creating drama it's about consumer awareness. For those who may not be aware of the business practices of certain companies it's informative, it is therefore imo a service to other members to point these things out.
 
I think this thread is great... It gives new customers and existing customers a chance to really see whats going on.
 
Everyone here except bulldog needs to stop being drama queens.

Fact is, now that HCGenerate is being sold at major sites and e-tailers (Nutraplanet for example), the price of HCGenerate at our home site HAS to be higher to prevent competition with our main sites we deal with. That's how it works. Go buy Jack3d from USPlabs main site... yea you wouldn't. Once a product reaches a certain level of popularity it is sold mainly at e-tailers and the price of the product at the home site is made higher to prevent competition with e-tailers.

The HCGenerates price in general on our home site inevitably has to go up. Couple that with a little increase of price in pre-sale we are running and it seems as tho this is a significant increase. It is a two way streak.

I encourage you all to buy from Nutraplanet when it's in. And if you desperately need it and choose to buy from our home site, the price may be higher as with all companies.

Sorry to bulldog who is a good buddy of mine. I know you loved the product, were a loyal customer, and had used other Fadogia based products without the same results. I hope you can see past this.
 
While I do not agree that NTBM is doing something inherently evil, I do believe that this price spike does give a perspective into the inner-workings of Nate's mind and his view of his customers in general. It is for that reason I think this thread really shines, because many people did not know how he operates his business, and now they have a slight inkling. I call that "informing the customer" so that they may make proper decisions with proper evidence regarding who they want to support with their money, and with what kind of character he should have. I for one will not support an axe murderer. Never have, never will! If you tell me that the owner of the company that produces my favorite supplement was found guilty of axe-murder-ing (That sounds weird...I wonder if there's a proper term for that? Oh well, I digress...), I would cease to support him. (And I am NOT calling Nate an axe-murderer, it's simply the best metaphor I could come up with at the moment!)
 
diablosho said:
While I do not agree that NTBM is doing something inherently evil, I do believe that this price spike does give a perspective into the inner-workings of Nate's mind and his view of his customers in general. It is for that reason I think this thread really shines, because many people did not know how he operates his business, and now they have a slight inkling. I call that "informing the customer" so that they may make proper decisions with proper evidence regarding who they want to support with their money, and with what kind of character he should have. I for one will not support an axe murderer. Never have, never will! If you tell me that the owner of the company that produces my favorite supplement was found guilty of axe-murder-ing (That sounds weird...I wonder if there's a proper term for that? Oh well, I digress...), I would cease to support him. (And I am NOT calling Nate an axe-murderer, it's simply the best metaphor I could come up with at the moment!)
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Read my post above.

Nate has made huge giveaways of N2KTS giving out 50+ units to whoever asked. He had a huge MrSupps giveaway a while ago giving out 30+ units. He also had a big NTBM giveaway a while ago. And just recently he had another big NTBM giveaway. He also contributed big time to maleu who is an injured veteran. Go read around and gain some insight into situations before acting like drama queens over a slight increase in price when some of the increase is necessary.
 
ChocolateMilk said:
Read my post above.

Nate has made huge giveaways of N2KTS giving out 50+ units to whoever asked. He had a huge MrSupps giveaway a while ago giving out 30+ units. He also had a big NTBM giveaway a while ago. And just recently he had another big NTBM giveaway. He also contributed big time to maleu who is an injured veteran. Go read around and gain some insight into situations before acting like a drama queen over a slight increase in price when some of the increase is necessary.
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You REALLY think I'm being a drama queen?!? I have done nothing but explain BOTH sides of the issue through this entire thread (and even supported Nate through some of it), all the while telling people that Nate did nothing wrong! I have ONLY explained how the free-market works. I'm not sure what your beef is with me, but it's getting old.

Pretty sure I have not said ANYTHING bad about NTBM, not ONCE (in fact, in the past, I have stated that I believed their products were legit, and never once told anyone not to use their products)!!! And the way you act (as well as a number of other NTBM reps and the owner, by the way) makes it seem like I'm some kind of corporate assassin anytime I chime in on a thread that questions your stupid company. It is really putting a sour taste in my mouth for the whole brand. How anybody can trust NTBM is beyond me (there, I broke my cherry. I am now OFFICIALLY on the bandwagon). I used to think you were reputable ChocolateMilk, but now I see that is not true. Now **** off. (Oh, let the neg train begin, this should be fun! I wonder how much rep I'll have tomorrow! Probably be negative... Let's watch!)

Oh, and just to let you know, I AM an injured veteran as well...
 
chocolatemilk said:
You're overreacting diablosho. My first sentence was for you, the second paragraph was just in general.
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Well, in that case....LOL! I feel like an idiot! I was going to delete that post, but it was too much effort! In an effort to fully disclose, I'm running my first epi cycle, and I am finding myself extremely aggressive lately! I kinda figured it was possible I was overreacting, but to be honest, it really wasn't evident in that post! Either way, I appreciate you letting me know! I think I'm going to fade...away...........now! Good day to everybody, and I hope everybody is having a great Easter!
 
diablosho said:
Well, in that case....LOL! I feel like an idiot! I was going to delete that post, but it was too much effort! In an effort to fully disclose, I'm running my first epi cycle, and I am finding myself extremely aggressive lately! I kinda figured it was possible I was overreacting, but to be honest, it really wasn't evident in that post! Either way, I appreciate you letting me know! I think I'm going to fade...away...........now! Good day to everybody, and I hope everybody is having a great Easter!
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It's all good, I should have posted separately, sorry bud :unitedstates:
 
this **** is POPPIN drama drama DRAMA!
 
jtterrible said:
lol.. hmm I kinda wonder how many people have ipods or macbooks that are bitching about a company ripping them off..
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I worked for Apple for a year.

I bought my own MacBook just before I left. That was almost 4 years ago and I still use that puppy :yup:
 
MidwestBeast said:
I worked for Apple for a year.

I bought my own MacBook just before I left. That was almost 4 years ago and I still use that puppy :yup:
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and you payed how much for hardware that is just as good as what I can get for 700 or 800?.. and plus.. the OSX is so meh only thing they are good for is graphic design.. and paper weights.. want to get something real done you need linux.. wanna do business or game you hae to put up with windows.. but OSX is still a rip off.. ****ty OS on overpriced hardware..
 
jtterrible said:
and you payed how much for hardware that is just as good as what I can get for 700 or 800?.. and plus.. the OSX is so meh only thing they are good for is graphic design.. and paper weights.. want to get something real done you need linux.. wanna do business or game you hae to put up with windows.. but OSX is still a rip off.. ****ty OS on overpriced hardware..
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I paid around $1,100 for a computer that I still use 4 years later and is still top notch. In that time, I've watched plenty of friends' computers die out, become horribly slow, contract the e-herpes, etc.

OSX is phenomenal (but that's just my opinion versus yours, so neither holds any real weight) and I would think since Windows 7 decided to make itself look more like a Mac OS, that more people would see that. Can't say I've used Linux (I have friends that do programming and stuff and have it, but I've never had a need for it). My undergrad was in broadcasting, so all of our video editing was done on Macs with Final Cut (loved that), and that's why I was initially drawn to them (aside from playing Oregon Trail on them waaaaaaaaay back in the day...Stupid wagon only able to carry 500lbs of buffalo when I shot 1,400 each time...:soapbox:...). I don't game - I pretty much stopped games whenever systems got to 2 joysticks (too much effort for me) and my attention span doesn't agree well with them, either :lol:. I've got plenty of friends who do business just fine with entire Mac-run offices, too.
 
diablosho said:
Haha! E-Herpes and Oregon Trail! I haven't thought about that game since elementary school!
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Dude, I refuse to put apps and different garbage on facebook (everyone in my office is addicted some version of a -ville game :no: ), but they released Oregon Trail for it. I have no idea which version it is, though. It's incredibly tempting to me.

I loved the oldest version(s), though. The first and second or so would be my favorite. Once they started upping the graphics and making "more realistic" aiming when hunting, I lost some of my love for it.

My favorite was when they actually took us to the computer lab in elementary school and let us play that (that's how education is meant to be...lol). You'd always name at least one member of your party after a kid you didn't like and you tried your best to get them bitten by a snake or dysentery, or cholera. You wouldn't buy them enough clothes, etc. :lmao:
 
If you know what you are doing your windows machine won't slow down.. Or contract e-herpes..when ever mac gets a real market share and enemies it'll have it's own fruity ntd, network transfered diseases, I've never had a use for an overpriced mac.. My desktop is better than your mac.. Will still be later.. Cost me $900..i'll be over here playing duke nukem forever.. :P
 
jtterrible said:
If you know what you are doing your windows machine won't slow down.. Or contract e-herpes..when ever mac gets a real market share and enemies it'll have it's own fruity ntd, network transfered diseases, I've never had a use for an overpriced mac.. My desktop is better than your mac.. Will still be later.. Cost me $900..i'll be over here playing duke nukem forever.. :P
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Oh yeah? Well I bet my computer can beat your computer in a scavenger hunt! :rasp:

:laugh2:

Rahl said:
Glad to see this argument has shifted to something even more timeless...
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:aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :aargh: Shut up! :aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :aargh:

:lmao:
 
This is a funny game of whose hardware has the biggest penis.
 
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