hcgenerate never again

bashman said:
Lol this thread makes hcgenerate sound like the holy grail of supplements.

There are many other effective alternatives for less than half the price e.g. DAA

Sadly there are plenty of people who will jump on the $100 price.
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im not gonna lie. hcgen was prolly the best supp i have ever taken. i could certainly afford the asking price but the principal of it all has now turned me away from his company for good. i wouldnt buy it at 50% off original price now. this is nothing but greed. yeah like he gives a crap about the guy who wants to try it but its always sold out. give me a break
 
ambulldog said:
agree with what your saying business wise. but dont in the same text say that he is taking care of his customers. that he is not doing
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LOL - I challenge you to find ONE sentence I've posted where I said the company was taking care of it's customers.

This is a business decision - pure and simple - and it's based on supply and demand.

I'm not happy with it - but I don't think the company did this to **** on it's customers. Let's see - what are some of the reasons the price might go up?

1. Gas prices - increases shipping.

2. Mondo demand and finite supply - might mean the company wants to expand the production - that requires more manpower, more production infrastructure - more $$.

3. Ingredient prices going up.

4. Or it could just mean the company wants to milk the product and the customer for all it's worth.

Who knows? But I think you are wrong to jump to conclusions here that the company wants to kill it's customer base. They may be making a bad decision here - but I wouldn't assign sinister motives to it.
 
RickRock13 said:
I could definitely name a company that does conduct business the way you describe but I'm not going there because that would be PPretty low ;)

Needto is the best Guy I have ever seen in this business...period. He gives out more free product and runs more sales than anyone. There are a lot of logs on AM right now of NTBM products that nobody paid a dime for. And he is getting ready to give out 2 grand out of his own pocket for the winner of the transformation contest.

People were getting upset about not being able to get HCGenerate from selling out, so this was thrown out there as an option for some to make sure they get some and please more people. If you don't want to pay 99$ a bottle then that is fine. Just wait and buy some at regular price when it gets back in. The problem is you can't please everyone at theame time. If the presale was at regular price then it would be sold out already. Just gives more people the option to purchase that's all..
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Is this bigrickrock from over at the EF board?
 
HondaV65 said:
LOL - I challenge you to find ONE sentence I've posted where I said the company was taking care of it's customers.

This is a business decision - pure and simple - and it's based on supply and demand.

I'm not happy with it - but I don't think the company did this to **** on it's customers. Let's see - what are some of the reasons the price might go up?

1. Gas prices - increases shipping.

2. Mondo demand and finite supply - might mean the company wants to expand the production - that requires more manpower, more production infrastructure - more $$.

3. Ingredient prices going up.

4. Or it could just mean the company wants to milk the product and the customer for all it's worth.

Who knows? But I think you are wrong to jump to conclusions here that the company wants to kill it's customer base. They may be making a bad decision here - but I wouldn't assign sinister motives to it.
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no i kinda combined yours and someone elses posts meaning i understand its a business dec but at the same time people are saying hes doing it to take care of his customers.

ill go with option 4. hes milking the product figuring theres enough fools out there to pay $100 for a freakin t-booster. you know thats more than i pay for a vial of primo?
 
1. This is common business practice, nike used to do it all the time with jordan and penny hardaway shoes, pre sale and pre ship was 180, retail was 115

2. Its common to do this with supplement companies, go to many other sites and see what they charge compared to nutra, and this isn't even the full time price just presale

Ntbm isn't just taking ur money for an unproven product that doesn't work or even exist, we're just allowing the ppl who really want the product to get first crack at it
 
ambulldog said:
no ntbm is plain and simple ripping their customers off, big time. you say the price will come down after pre sale so why not have it lowered to begin with? well you answered it yourself. balancing supply and demand but ntbm isnt balancing anything they are price gouging. the sad part is there are many ntbm a$$ kissers out there that will pay that price. to each his own i guess.

even if the price drops after presale ill never buy from them again. you dont "take care of your customers" by charging them nearly double for a product because you know its gonna sell out.
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I gotta agree with you with the price increase and the pandemic of NTBM kool-aid drinkers. Nate seem's like a solid guy, he's a fellow vet as well but he's going against his Mission statement big time with this one....WTFO.
 
bashman said:
Lol this thread makes hcgenerate sound like the holy grail of supplements.
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idk how i never looked into it before. now i wanna try it,. but there's no effing way im paying 100 for a test booster, and id have to wait...

i read this entire thread. why not offer a loyalty price? :haha:
 
HondaV65 said:
LOL - I challenge you to find ONE sentence I've posted where I said the company was taking care of it's customers.

This is a business decision - pure and simple - and it's based on supply and demand.

I'm not happy with it - but I don't think the company did this to **** on it's customers. Let's see - what are some of the reasons the price might go up?

1. Gas prices - increases shipping.

2. Mondo demand and finite supply - might mean the company wants to expand the production - that requires more manpower, more production infrastructure - more $$.

3. Ingredient prices going up.

4. Or it could just mean the company wants to milk the product and the customer for all it's worth.

Who knows? But I think you are wrong to jump to conclusions here that the company wants to kill it's customer base. They may be making a bad decision here - but I wouldn't assign sinister motives to it.
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If iForce can sell capped Fadogia for $16.99 a bottle, where is the other $83 accounted for in HCGenerate?
 
Young Gotti said:
1. This is common business practice, nike used to do it all the time with jordan and penny hardaway shoes, pre sale and pre ship was 180, retail was 115

2. Its common to do this with supplement companies, go to many other sites and see what they charge compared to nutra, and this isn't even the full time price just presale

Ntbm isn't just taking ur money for an unproven product that doesn't work or even exist, we're just allowing the ppl who really want the product to get first crack at it
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thats it compare your company to a company that uses slave labor lol
 
hoopem6 said:
If iForce can sell capped Fadogia for $16.99 a bottle, where is the other $83 accounted for in HCGenerate?
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free shipping dude
 
Young Gotti said:
1. This is common business practice, nike used to do it all the time with jordan and penny hardaway shoes, pre sale and pre ship was 180, retail was 115

2. Its common to do this with supplement companies, go to many other sites and see what they charge compared to nutra, and this isn't even the full time price just presale

Ntbm isn't just taking ur money for an unproven product that doesn't work or even exist, we're just allowing the ppl who really want the product to get first crack at it
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I'm just not buying that one bit, I respect you YG but there are numerous companies here on the thread that could have the same excuse and aren't jacking up there price for the latest and greatest out there.
 
RickRock13 said:
I could definitely name a company that does conduct business the way you describe but I'm not going there because that would be PPretty low ;)

Needto is the best Guy I have ever seen in this business...period. He gives out more free product and runs more sales than anyone. There are a lot of logs on AM right now of NTBM products that nobody paid a dime for. And he is getting ready to give out 2 grand out of his own pocket for the winner of the transformation contest.

People were getting upset about not being able to get HCGenerate from selling out, so this was thrown out there as an option for some to make sure they get some and please more people. If you don't want to pay 99$ a bottle then that is fine. Just wait and buy some at regular price when it gets back in. The problem is you can't please everyone at theame time. If the presale was at regular price then it would be sold out already. Just gives more people the option to purchase that's all..
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You're not serious with that are you? That's a very honorable move by you, shows some class for sure. :fool2:
 
RickRock13 said:
I could definitely name a company that does conduct business the way you describe but I'm not going there because that would be PPretty low ;)

Needto is the best Guy I have ever seen in this business...period. He gives out more free product and runs more sales than anyone. There are a lot of logs on AM right now of NTBM products that nobody paid a dime for. And he is getting ready to give out 2 grand out of his own pocket for the winner of the transformation contest.

People were getting upset about not being able to get HCGenerate from selling out, so this was thrown out there as an option for some to make sure they get some and please more people. If you don't want to pay 99$ a bottle then that is fine. Just wait and buy some at regular price when it gets back in. The problem is you can't please everyone at theame time. If the presale was at regular price then it would be sold out already. Just gives more people the option to purchase that's all..
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Rick,

Before you tell everyone Nathan is the greatest guy ever you should disclose that you have ownership interest in NTBM with direct financial gain -- which is why you've granted Nathan full censorship control of elitefitness so NTBM profit isn't hurt.

Are you guys out of stock because Gencor ordered you to relabel the bottles with "fenugreek extract" instead of "Testofen" on the sup facts?

For all you AM members if you want a full PCT with a real Testofen product you can grab the TRS and get a bottle of Phyto-Test for FREE with the code -- SUPERPCT -- only at Invalid Link Removed

-Eric
 
There's nothing novel about this product that makes it even worth paying half of what NTBM is charging.

Fadogia Agrestis 1000mg **
Fenugreek PE (50% testofen) 1000mg **
3, 4 Divanillylteterahydrofuran 500mg **
Bulgarian Tribulus 500mg **
Vitamin E 200mg **
LJ:100 100mg **
Zinc 7mg

Besides the Fenugreek/Testofen, Nettle and possibly the Fadogia you're wasting your money on the other compounds IMO.
 
hoopem6 said:
Really? Omega Sports' and iForce's Fadogia is inferior to NTBM's?
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Omega was one of the, if not the, original makers of it and it's still much, much cheaper. IIRC, Matt is the one who developed the process for standardization.
 
RickRock13 said:
All I can say is that not all fadogia is created equal.
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That's the reasoning I've always heard. I've never tried another fodogia product outside of it's place in APS's Testalensis that I'm logging right now so I can't really compare.

What I know is I've used HCGen and it worked well for me in the past and at NORMAL PRICE I will buy it again.

I personally don't think jacking the price up was the best approach but it's not going to stop me from buying the product at normal price either. It's fairly up front really. It's not like somebody is forcing you to pay it. Nobody NEEDS a supplement. If you're dumb enough to pay that for it have at it.

The reaction seems typical to me. Some of you people probably need some real issues in your life once and a while for a little perspective. I see no need to apply motive and get angry every time something happens that you don't like. It's like talk radio in here sometimes.

And...nobody needs to be bashing any other companies in an attempt to defend their own. That's never worked in the past and I'm certain it won't now either.
 
I thought I already made it clear that I'm not the Guy from EF?
 
I've never tried NTBM, I will never try NTBM. All the products are dumb, overpriced, and have very little science behind them. IDC if i get flamed, screw this company. They are the reason i hardly by supps anymore.
 
What's your source for fadogia? Let the consumer decide the quality :)
 
I agree that I am not here to argue with other companies. I am here to help people understand what is going on with HCGenerates pricing.

BTW...I have edited out the comment in question, and my apologies if it offended anyone

This thread is going nowhere so I will say as my last post...

If you don't want to buy HCGenerate at 99$ then don't buy it...simple.

It will be back in stock eventually for those that want it at normal price.

Its that easy...

Thank you
 
Primordial Perf said:
Rick,

Before you tell everyone Nathan is the greatest guy ever you should disclose that you have ownership interest in NTBM with direct financial gain -- which is why you've granted Nathan full censorship control of elitefitness so NTBM profit isn't hurt.

Are you guys out of stock because Gencor ordered you to relabel the bottles with "fenugreek extract" instead of "Testofen" on the sup facts?

For all you AM members if you want a full PCT with a real Testofen product you can grab the TRS and get a bottle of Phyto-Test for FREE with the code -- SUPERPCT -- only at Invalid Link Removed

-Eric
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This post makes me feel better about having to look at your face all day for the past 2 months :D

Thank you for the code I've been wanting to try some testofen.
 
I wonder just when if ever that original price will come back? I guess we will have to wait and see, but with the way things are going right now I wouldn't be surprised if it never comes back to in stock because the pre-order demand was just "too much" lol. Certainly would be easy to do and don't see ntbm loosing much sleep over that decision. I'll be watching
 
onemind1body said:
I wonder just when if ever that original price will come back? I guess we will have to wait and see, but with the way things are going right now I wouldn't be surprised if it never comes back to in stock because the pre-order demand was just "too much" lol. Certainly would be easy to do and don't see ntbm loosing much sleep over that decision. I'll be watching
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It went up on preorder before and then it came back down. I see no reason it wouldn't do the same this time. Yes...that's right. This has been done before! Such drama. LOL
 
ryanp81 said:
There's nothing novel about this product that makes it even worth paying half of what NTBM is charging.

Fadogia Agrestis 1000mg **
Fenugreek PE (50% testofen) 1000mg **
3, 4 Divanillylteterahydrofuran 500mg **
Bulgarian Tribulus 500mg **
Vitamin E 200mg **
LJ:100 100mg **
Zinc 7mg

Besides the Fenugreek/Testofen, Nettle and possibly the Fadogia you're wasting your money on the other compounds IMO.
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If you pay more than $40 for this 'profile', frankly you deserve to feel stupid...god bless capitalism?
 
I think the comparisons to other industries is ridiculous this sort of blatant price gouging is practiced by no other supplement company that I am aware of but if someone can post another example I'm willing to be wrong. PP's Andro series is to expensive for me personally but there is no way if Andromass sold out that it would pop back up for presale on PP's site at a 50% mark up(I missed all the good PP stuff I wanted to try, Superdrone, Turinobol :pat:)
The biggest issue to me with this sort of practice is what's to stop ntbm from creating a false shortage to justify jacking up their prices?
 
RickRock13 said:
Need to does take care of his customers and you have always been a great one. We don't want to lose that and I have heard what you are saying and I have directed your concerns to the right people and hopefully we can come to a better understanding on this issue.

I know you have waited for HCGenerate for some time as I've seen your posts in other threads. I will talk to Nate and see if there is something we can do for you.

We don't want to lose you bro!
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Exactly. They have such a variaty of products that to say because one product did not fit in your price range that you can not buy other ntbm products can you?
 
hoopem6 said:
Really? Omega Sports' and iForce's Fadogia is inferior to NTBM's?
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Considering I took the Omega T-Force and saw results in days, I would say no. Custom who is the man behind Omega knows what's up and all his supplements are legit and very properly dosed. No one, and I mean no one, can convince me the ingredients are somehow BETTER in HCGen than any other product out there that uses a standardized extract. Nathan, you make good products but your pulling the wool over everyone's eyes to pay RIDICULOUS prices is surely coming to an end (read this thread and some others on AM and other boards). I like your company for the most part and use your products, but the ones I do I either got in trade or on a serious sale, IMO any other time I don't see them as worth my money. This is not a dig, it is just the way I see it.

HCGen is a good product that is properly dosed but charging more than $49.99 for it is just taking advantage of your customers. If it is an issue of cost of production, come out and say that is the reason there is no stock, otherwise people see it as pure greed.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I think the comparisons to other industries is ridiculous this sort of blatant price gouging is practiced by no other supplement company that I am aware of but if someone can post another example I'm willing to be wrong. PP's Andro series is to expensive for me personally but there is no way if Andromass sold out that it would pop back up for presale on PP's site at a 50% mark up(I missed all the good PP stuff I wanted to try, Superdrone, Turinobol :pat:)
The biggest issue to me with this sort of practice is what's to stop ntbm from creating a false shortage to justify jacking up their prices?
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It's up to the customer to decide what ntbm can and can not do. When they stop making money off the increased prices, they will then do a "sale", bringing in more customers. Basic economics. Nobody can really fault him for raising the price, he is simply trying to gauge where the "fine line" is between too expensive and reasonable, and walk it to maximize profits. In a way, every company does that. No one is in business for the welfare of the customer (not even hospitals). It's up to the customers to tell them where the proper price point is. We may be in the minority, but I doubt it.
 
oufinny said:
Considering I took the Omega T-Force and saw results in days, I would say no. Custom who is the man behind Omega knows what's up and all his supplements are legit and very properly dosed. No one, and I mean no one, can convince me the ingredients are somehow BETTER in HCGen than any other product out there that uses a standardized extract. Nathan, you make good products but your pulling the wool over everyone's eyes to pay RIDICULOUS prices is surely coming to an end (read this thread and some others on AM and other boards). I like your company for the most part and use your products, but the ones I do I either got in trade or on a serious sale, IMO any other time I don't see them as worth my money. This is not a dig, it is just the way I see it.

HCGen is a good product that is properly dosed but charging more than $49.99 for it is just taking advantage of your customers. If it is an issue of cost of production, come out and say that is the reason there is no stock, otherwise people see it as pure greed.
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I don't think there IS a standardized extract for fadogia.
 
diablosho said:
It's up to the customer to decide what ntbm can and can not do. When they stop making money off the increased prices, they will then do a "sale", bringing in more customers. Basic economics. Nobody can really fault him for raising the price, he is simply trying to gauge where the "fine line" is between too expensive and reasonable, and walk it to maximize profits. In a way, every company does that. No one is in business for the welfare of the customer (not even hospitals). It's up to the customers to tell them where the proper price point is. We may be in the minority, but I doubt it.
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100% agree with this post a company has the right to charge whatever they see fit and as consumers we have the right to say no thanks, and yet it doesn't seem entirely ethical to go about it in this way imo.
 
diablosho said:
It's up to the customer to decide what ntbm can and can not do. When they stop making money off the increased prices, they will then do a "sale", bringing in more customers. Basic economics. Nobody can really fault him for raising the price, he is simply trying to gauge where the "fine line" is between too expensive and reasonable, and walk it to maximize profits. In a way, every company does that. No one is in business for the welfare of the customer (not even hospitals). It's up to the customers to tell them where the proper price point is. We may be in the minority, but I doubt it.
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This is right and you are talking about the price elasticity of demand; it will surely be a serious test at that price. The bid deal for me is NTBM touts that they make the best products at the best prices... someone has to fill me in on the logic for justification on HcGen based on that business model.
 
gymrat827 said:
When pp first came out with the new andro line one was priced at 200 bux
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What does that have to do with HCGenerate costing 100 dollars?

I feel like i'm watching a political debate because there is so much jumping around. Why does it cost 100 dollars? And why don't you just make a bigger batch if you know its so popular? This reminds me of how Ferrari will keep a two year waiting list on all models so they can keep a demand. They could easily ramp up the production but they want to ensure that there is always a demand.
 
Because nobody is interested in an answer anymore. It's become the usual N2BM vs. PP pissing match. In the end you both lose.
 
Rahl said:
Because nobody is interested in an answer anymore. It's become the usual N2BM vs. PP pissing match. In the end you both lose.
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No, a lot of people are interested in an "answer". But if you want to keep bringing up Primordial, maybe eventually they won't. That would be a good way to get the thread swept under the rug ;)
 
Rahl said:
Because nobody is interested in an answer anymore. It's become the usual N2BM vs. PP pissing match. In the end you both lose.
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The only reason for a comparison is because of the timeliness and the fact the argument is relevant (is said product worth the asking price, any company fits into here like PP, USP Labs and 90% of their product line comes to mind). NTBM has no obligation to give an explanation as to why it is priced that way, why HCGen is somehow better than others with the same ingredients and why it is always out of stock? That said, if you are going to tout your products as the best and try and be the best guy on the boards, it seems like a response is expected; if anything just to reinforce that NTBM is about servicing its customers as best it can. Then again, they could say screw that, people are buying it and I don't give a crap. Each comes with its own pros and cons. Buy it if you want buy it or don't like me because the cost is deemed too high, your choice will make the ultimate decision. :yup:
 
Who cares? If it's too expensive for u don't buy it! Don't start turning AM to a cry fest like BB.com please.
 
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