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I carry an acer 9" screen laptop for work when I travel. When people look at it funny, I just say "I'm undercompensating"
 
EasyEJL said:
I carry an acer 9" screen laptop for work when I travel. When people look at it funny, I just say "I'm undercompensating"
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That just made me lol @ work.

It sort of puts to shame my carrying a surge protector, strapped to the inside of my thigh, when I travel for work...:sad:
 
MidwestBeast said:
Dude, I refuse to put apps and different garbage on facebook (everyone in my office is addicted some version of a -ville game :no: ), but they released Oregon Trail for it. I have no idea which version it is, though. It's incredibly tempting to me.

I loved the oldest version(s), though. The first and second or so would be my favorite. Once they started upping the graphics and making "more realistic" aiming when hunting, I lost some of my love for it.

My favorite was when they actually took us to the computer lab in elementary school and let us play that (that's how education is meant to be...lol). You'd always name at least one member of your party after a kid you didn't like and you tried your best to get them bitten by a snake or dysentery, or cholera. You wouldn't buy them enough clothes, etc. :lmao:
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I loved Oregon Trail, we did the same thing in the computer lab playing that for education! :yup:
 
well not to steer off the subject.....but am i the only one that noticed that its not a 100 anymore? -still outta stock tho
 
No supplement or PH is worth $100 or over. I don't care if your company spent all it's savings developing it or your trying to be a supplement hero for all the proles who are waiting at the fence for the nobility to drop the magic supp that is better than all the other ones that are similar available. There is no proof provided that they are any better than anything else and if you buy something for these outrageous prices your a sucker plain and simple. If your going to spend such exorbitant amounts of money on supps why not just get the real thing? These companies make me sick.
 
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No supplement or PH is worth $100 or over. I don't care if your company spent all it's savings developing it or your trying to be a supplement hero for all the proles who are waiting at the fence for the nobility to drop the magic supp that is better than all the other ones that are similar available. There is no proof provided that they are any better than anything else and if you buy something for these outrageous prices your a sucker plain and simple. If your going to spend such exorbitant amounts of money on supps why not just get the real thing? These companies make me sick.
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ok.. what if they developed something that was excercise in a pill?.. you take it and over night bam.. you're ripped.. would that be worth over $100?.. not saying this is.. but just saying if the **** works amazingly.. then it may be.. but if it's just something that gives you a slight edge then no.. you're right
 
jtterrible said:
ok.. what if they developed something that was excercise in a pill?.. you take it and over night bam.. you're ripped.. would that be worth over $100?.. not saying this is.. but just saying if the **** works amazingly.. then it may be.. but if it's just something that gives you a slight edge then no.. you're right
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Will you be doing a presale on this and if so where?

Thank you.

Ok just kidding. :bigok:
 
jtterrible said:
ok.. what if they developed something that was excercise in a pill?.. you take it and over night bam.. you're ripped.. would that be worth over $100?.. not saying this is.. but just saying if the **** works amazingly.. then it may be.. but if it's just something that gives you a slight edge then no.. you're right
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You're obviously not familiar with Anabolic Halo...
 
How much does cocaine cost? Do you get gains? Do you feel good?
 
jtterrible said:
ok.. what if they developed something that was excercise in a pill?.. you take it and over night bam.. you're ripped.. would that be worth over $100?.. not saying this is.. but just saying if the **** works amazingly.. then it may be.. but if it's just something that gives you a slight edge then no.. you're right
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OK lol if they invent that I will definitely pay over 100 bucks for it. You just watch Limitless lately lol?
 
MidwestBeast said:
Dude, I refuse to put apps and different garbage on facebook (everyone in my office is addicted some version of a -ville game :no: ), but they released Oregon Trail for it. I have no idea which version it is, though. It's incredibly tempting to me.

I loved the oldest version(s), though. The first and second or so would be my favorite. Once they started upping the graphics and making "more realistic" aiming when hunting, I lost some of my love for it.

My favorite was when they actually took us to the computer lab in elementary school and let us play that (that's how education is meant to be...lol). You'd always name at least one member of your party after a kid you didn't like and you tried your best to get them bitten by a snake or dysentery, or cholera. You wouldn't buy them enough clothes, etc. :lmao:
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My favorite post of the thread. Old school Oregon Trail on an old mac computer in the computer lab. Used to rush through the bs "work" we had so we could get down to some Oregon Trail lol. Now I want to play Oregon Trail lol.
 
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This is awesome!

I loved naming the person who I tried to kill off after a kid I didn't like, especially if he was sitting nearby. I'd yell at him or tap him and make him look at the screen when it said "(his name) has died of (whatever hilarious disease claimed his life)" :laugh2:

And Tom, I did the same thing! lol

and I want to see Limitless really badly...
 
I think CEL should just make a HCGenerate alternative.. Quality trib, testofen, fadogia all in one for a lower price. I tried the HCGen and wasn't too pleased with it for how much I paid.
 
spezzy said:
I think CEL should just make a HCGenerate alternative.. Quality trib, testofen, fadogia all in one for a lower price. I tried the HCGen and wasn't too pleased with it for how much I paid.
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They tried its called PCT assist, worthless, or at least it was for me.
 
Hey guys, I just got done reading this entire thread. Anyway, I just want to give my honest opinion on HcGenerate etc. First and foremost, Yes, I am a Mod at N2BM, however, just like Rahl, I have no financial interest, etc. Also, I pay the same prices for supps as everyone else and I am entitled to the same 15 % discount as everyone else. That being said, I am getting to the age of being an old fart and have been training and taking supps for 20 plus years, closer to 25 years. I have tried just about every "natty" test booster, if not all of them. To be honest, up until last year,most of them really did not do anything for me for the exception of HGHup and a couple others. This gave me good sleep and a nice libid boost. Trib, for example, always gave me ok sex drive and libido. Anyway, last year I ran a PH/DS cycle and things were going good until all of a sudden half way through my sex drive/libido crashed and it crashed bad. I contacted Nate and he told me to add in the HcGenerate and it would make a huge difference. Now I already had a bottle that I bought for the first time and was going to try in PCT. Anyway, I used teh HcGenerate and within a couple days my Libido, sex drive, came back strong, along with a good sense of well being. I was impressed..My point here is the product worked for me, better then most "natty" test boosters I tried in the past. I continue to use this product on and off because it works for me. It might not work for everyone and yah, maybe there are better and cheaper products out there. I respect everyone's posts and their respective decisions.

I preordered a couple bottles at the high price and yah, i Used the normal 15 % off discount that is available for EVERYONE, and i paid 85 bux a bottle and guaranteed me two. I would have bought three but I could not aford it. Does that make me stupid? To be honest, call me what you want, but I know the product will work for me. Do I feel that's expensive. YES, of course it is. AM I happy about payiong 85 bux a bottle, of course not. I dont even like paying the 65 bux a bottle when its normal price. Hell, I dont like to spend money at all period. Anyway, stupid or not, the product works for me and I will continue to buy it and use it as long as its available or until something better that works for me comes along. Will that happen, maybe, maybe not. Besides, I dont know howw many more years of training I am going to have and in the mean time I want to make sure I am giving it a hundred percent and that includes using products that work. Also, I want to add, I dont just use N2BM products, I use or buy products from several different companys. Hell, I just purchased some Iforce Ecdy and APS products from here at Nutra and i am getting ready to buy some LG products. I am going to run Ecdy for 8 weeks and if it works, I will continue to buy it and use it. Is trh price good, sure is at 20 bux a bottle fotr teh Ecdy. If it worked and the price went to 40 or 60, would i still buy it? Yes, if it worked and I saw results. I sure would..

As far as Needto goes, I have a lot of respect for this guy. I thought I knew everything there was to know about training and supps until I stumbled across N2BM. The guy has always treated me well and done good for me. Mod or not, I would be saying the same exact thing. I just wantto finish that although I respect you all and your posts, I dont think it was fair to call people stupid for spending money on products (regardless of price) for products that work for them. Me, I can take it, call me what you want, but I still think its not fair to do so. We all love this sport and the supplements that help us and we should treat each other with respect..Anyway, have a good days guys and again, I respect everyones opinion..Have a good week..SJ
 
SuppJunkie said:
Hey guys, I just got done reading this entire thread. Anyway, I just want to give my honest opinion on HcGenerate etc. First and foremost, Yes, I am a Mod at N2BM, however, just like Rahl, I have no financial interest, etc. Also, I pay the same prices for supps as everyone else and I am entitled to the same 15 % discount as everyone else. That being said, I am getting to the age of being an old fart and have been training and taking supps for 20 plus years, closer to 25 years. I have tried just about every "natty" test booster, if not all of them. To be honest, up until last year,most of them really did not do anything for me for the exception of HGHup and a couple others. This gave me good sleep and a nice libid boost. Trib, for example, always gave me ok sex drive and libido. Anyway, last year I ran a PH/DS cycle and things were going good until all of a sudden half way through my sex drive/libido crashed and it crashed bad. I contacted Nate and he told me to add in the HcGenerate and it would make a huge difference. Now I already had a bottle that I bought for the first time and was going to try in PCT. Anyway, I used teh HcGenerate and within a couple days my Libido, sex drive, came back strong, along with a good sense of well being. I was impressed..My point here is the product worked for me, better then most "natty" test boosters I tried in the past. I continue to use this product on and off because it works for me. It might not work for everyone and yah, maybe there are better and cheaper products out there. I respect everyone's posts and their respective decisions.

I preordered a couple bottles at the high price and yah, i Used the normal 15 % off discount that is available for EVERYONE, and i paid 85 bux a bottle and guaranteed me two. I would have bought three but I could not aford it. Does that make me stupid? To be honest, call me what you want, but I know the product will work for me. Do I feel that's expensive. YES, of course it is. AM I happy about payiong 85 bux a bottle, of course not. I dont even like paying the 65 bux a bottle when its normal price. Hell, I dont like to spend money at all period. Anyway, stupid or not, the product works for me and I will continue to buy it and use it as long as its available or until something better that works for me comes along. Will that happen, maybe, maybe not. Besides, I dont know howw many more years of training I am going to have and in the mean time I want to make sure I am giving it a hundred percent and that includes using products that work. Also, I want to add, I dont just use N2BM products, I use or buy products from several different companys. Hell, I just purchased some Iforce Ecdy and APS products from here at Nutra and i am getting ready to buy some LG products. I am going to run Ecdy for 8 weeks and if it works, I will continue to buy it and use it. Is trh price good, sure is at 20 bux a bottle fotr teh Ecdy. If it worked and the price went to 40 or 60, would i still buy it? Yes, if it worked and I saw results. I sure would..

As far as Needto goes, I have a lot of respect for this guy. I thought I knew everything there was to know about training and supps until I stumbled across N2BM. The guy has always treated me well and done good for me. Mod or not, I would be saying the same exact thing. I just wantto finish that although I respect you all and your posts, I dont think it was fair to call people stupid for spending money on products (regardless of price) for products that work for them. Me, I can take it, call me what you want, but I still think its not fair to do so. We all love this sport and the supplements that help us and we should treat each other with respect..Anyway, have a good days guys and again, I respect everyones opinion..Have a good week..SJ
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My heart grew three sizes today! LOL!

Nobody is questioning whether it works or not, as this is NOT a NTBM bashing thread. In fact, the vast majority of us are assuming it works very well (I am, and I've never used it). In fact, I always prefer to think each product is the best out there, so I don't have to think the manufacturer is being decietful (I love being naive and living in my little bubble!). Anywho, you answered the question. You said you did not like paying $85 (after the discount), and you have tried it with MIRACULOUS results!!! How many people that have NOT tried it do you think will be willing to shell out that kind of money for an unproven product (to them). I don't think very many, not to mention many of the people that HAVE used it with less miraculous results (though still great) will also not pay that money. That is the issue of this thread, not results of the product, and you indirectly answered the question. In the long run though, like I think MidwestBeast said, the price will go back down after the pre-sale, so I really don't think people should take too much issue with the pre-sale prices. Oh well, as the world turns I guess!
--Brian
 
Miraculous results..Ok Brian, I dont think I said that. What I said was it worked and it worked for me. Other products by other companies work for me as well as others to. So yah, sarcastic, but whatever..My whole post was more centered around comments in regard to the people who have already preordered HcGenerate with remarks of them (me ) being stupid becuase we (i) chose to spend the money on a product that worked for us (me). I dont think that is a fair assumption. Also, I think I said I dont like spending any money, I wish I could get my supps for free, but thats not the way it is. Point being, whether its 45, 65, or 85 bux, I dont like spending it, however, if it works I will. As far as there being people out there who have not tried it and cant afford it. The price will drop back to 65 and you will still be able to get the 15 percent discount and at times needto runs 25% off sales etc, so people will be able to get it and try it. Then they can make there own opinions. Anyway Brian much respect and thanks for the response and have a good day..SJ
 
I have owned Needtobuildmuscle.com for almost 3 years now and since that day nether my mission statement nor my actions behind it have wavered.

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Mission statement/about my company^^

I love every one of my customers more then anyone could ever imagine and would do almost anything for thous who support me every day. To my friends and family out on the forums of anabolicminds, elitefitness, ology, RX and many others I would like to say thank you. Thank you for always supporting me, thank you for always trusting me the way that many of you do. Most of all thank you for giving me the joy of being able to serve, help, encourage, provide, inspire, strengthen and share with all of you. My life is better because of each one of you who have chosen to be a part of my life or allow me to be a part of yours. No matter how great or how small a part that is, I hold it in high regards and I always have.

I want everyone here to know I do all that I do for the ones that I love and as sappy as it may sound I love all of you , even thous of you whom I have never met and may never get the chance to meet.

The past few years of my life have changed a lot. I have given all that I am to others and made every effort possible to uplift thous around me and it has felt damn good to do so. I like how I feel each day and I love the positive changes and karma that it has given back to me.

I understand and accept no matter what I am never going to be above reproach nor will I ever be exempt from mistakes. I have made more then my share But when I do I don't just try to save face about them, back peddle around then, or ignore them. I allow it to linger in my mind, I learn from them, and I never forget them. Then, if my mistakes have involved the lives of anothes, I go to the ends of the earth to try not only to make amends but exceed what ever debts is owed to them. Because it matters to me, The members here matter to me, the people I do business with matter to me, people matter to me!


This past month I offered a pre sale on my hcgenerate product. A product that everyone knows has been on of the most sought after and highly spoken off product in the industry right now. It has been almost imposable for me to keep up with the demand of hcgenerate. Despite every effort made to help the growers of my Fadoga grow more, grow it faster, and harvest faster there has not been enough. Despite my pleas with my manufacturer it can not be made any faster. I even bought the whole crew concert tickets to see linken park as a thanks for working so hard to try and keep up. I have doubled , then tripled my order sizes to no avail, my customer demand has always exceeded my supply..

Because of this I think some would have others believe, or may even believe them selves that I have withheld product in an attempt to drive up price. Or that I would take advantage of others because of these facts and drive up price just to make a profit. Or that I would do something like charge an insulting price just for my own gain.

Throughout my time here on this site, as well as my many years of being on all the forums that I am on. I have done nothing but give to the people around me. I feel as though I have not only proved my generosity to others but I have earned a right to be excluded from being counted among men of greed, or profit driven character.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/172640-omg-long-overdue.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/comp...-needtobuildmuscle-nutraplanet-transform.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/165272-rlssupplements-nutraplanet-fre.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/160721-ok-my-am.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/163000-ntbm-brand-new.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/163422-o-yess-its.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/161583-promised-mrsupps-com.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/160138-ntbmis-giving-free.html

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Yes I expect the criticism of thous who hate me or compete with me. I know they are always going to be right there every second of the day waiting to pounce on any chance they can get to point at me. I know they dream about the chance to post whore in threads like this one. However My continuous and repetitive actions have and always will squelch their weak worthless attempts to paint pictures that are not there in these kinds of threads. They have never been there and they never will be, no matter how much imaginary paint is lathered on the canvas .

I define who I am, my perpetual actions show my character. My everlasting dedication to my mission statements have shown everyone time and time again I will not, I can not, and I have not compromised them in any way.


To anyone and everyone who made the mistake of thinking I raised the price on this last batch of hcgenerate for my own personal gain I am truly sorry you have felt that way. I am sorry it may have upset you, I am sorry it might have caused a inconvenience to you, and above everything else. I am sorry that by now I have not earned enough of your trust to show you that I would never be that kind of person.

On or around the middle of April I had heard from My connections I would be getting in a little bit over 300 units of Hcgenerate within 10 to 14 days. As you can imagine I was pretty excited about the news but I managed to keep it to my self and the only other person I told about this was Rob my head of sales.

During the months and weeks up to this date there had been a lot of people on many forums talking about the unavailability of product. I am sure many of you have seen these threads and maybe have even made a few of your own. Not only had threads about its availability (or lack thereof ) been made but also on a lot of forums, threads about "pre selling it" were being made.

Among the locals on any forum, I have always been known to dislike pre sales and this has never changed. I hate taking a mans money without having a product to give him and hate even more doing so without an exact date of receiving his product to give him. So My reply to threads on the subject have always been no, no, preceded by more no's.

My unwillingness to do pre sales believe it or not prompted some users to post about there willingness to pay a higher price to be able to insure they were able to get a bottle of hcgenerate. That they were willing to pay more to pre buy the product "because they ether loved it and wanted to make sure they got it for there next cycle, or had never tried it and really wanted to".

Not only were post of this nature made but soon phone calls, emails, and pm's of the same nature started to pile up. I thought about this for a long time. The more I heard some one say " I have never gotten a chance to use the product" the more compelled I became to have the pre sale everyone kept asking for. Also to sell it at a much higher price so that the people who had been asking me to give them this chance would be insured a much better chance of getting the product.

The higher price turned many off but at the time it did serve the exact purpose it was intended too. It gave 150 very happy people the chance to get a product they wanted very very badly for what ever reason they wanted it. So well some were relishing in the chance to point a finger the ones who wanted it, the ones it was intended for were very happy and content with it.

When I put the hcgenerate on pre sale I wrote a long peace in the store explaining who the pre sale was for. I explained if you did not like the price no one was holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it!!


I have not once let my customers down and as long as I can help it I never will. I wanted to fill the needs of a small group of customers that day and I did. I cared about them then and I care even more about them now. They trusted me as they always have. I have never given any of them a reason not to trust me. I have never done them wrong. In the end they know that Needtogetaas is always going to take good care of them and always going to pull threw for them no matter what!!!

The people who know the real me knew my intentions the day of the hcgenerate pre sale. They have always known, and to this day they have not allowed anyone's WORDS to change their minds about that which I have proven to them countless times over. Nor did their trust in me falter when they saw the high price of the hcgenerate in the store. And if anyone remember in the write up I also hinted to everyone that if you bought the Hcgenerate at the pre sale price you would not be let down or disapointed in me for it. That everyone who paid for the hcgenerate at the much higher price was going to end up happy. If you were not happy with the price you did not have to pay it and you could wait until more came in for sale, but if you were happy to pay then you would not be disappointed in the end. I did the best I could to make it known well at the same time not give it away. I was very repetitive but not to the point of giving it away completely.

Again I apologies to You the starter of this thread and to anyone who may have felt the same as you have good friend. I wish you had had more faith in me when you saw the high price of the product bro. I wish you had maybe even come to me and asked me what it was about. I truly believed that before that day I had earned your trust and at the very least earned a benefit of the doubt if only for just this one time??

I hope for your sake that even though you made this thread you went and bought a bottle on pre sale anyway. You have always been a favorite customer of mine dude and I hate to see you miss out on the awesome plan I came up with the day of the pre sale. If not Its all good I will contact you and make amends to you bro. As well as do the same for anyone in this thread whom I believe has always been a good customer and supporter of me.


However!!! Without further ado let me let the cat out of the bag. I am doubling every order of hcgenerate bought at the raised pre sale price. Which had been my intentions from day one. I kept this information between my reps and I as well as a select few of the customers who had ordered the products.

Once I new I would be getting a little over 300 units of hcgenerate. I set the my store back end to 150 units of hcgenerate for pre sale. Making it so that I could give each and every pre sale order of hcgenerate 1 free bottle for every bottle they bought.

As I told everyone in the store write up about the pre sale. It was not about making a profit. As I have not only said thousands of times on the forums, but have proven countless times over. It has never been nor will it ever be about the money for me. A long time ago I made promises to many people, and I have been making promises ever since then, that I would always give everything I have and try as hard as I can to do business the way everyone has always hoped a man would. Also that when I make mistakes I don't insult others with offers for discounts to scam more of there money out of them. NO my friends unlike others when I make a mistake I own it, and more then make up for it. Which brings us to the next present for my loyal customers who bought the pre sale hcgenerate.

Not only am I going to be doubling your orders guys. But because it has been a bit later then we had all been expecting (10-14 days) I am also going to be including a free six pack of ass lightning and a free bag of better protein bars in every order!!!!

To my loyal customers who have always believed in me I can not thank you enough. Thank you for always standing by me no matter what. Not once have I ever let a single one of you down who have stood by me! DID YOU REALLY THINK THIS TIME WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT? To thous of you who did I am sorry and I promise I'll make it up to you.


Enjoy the free hcgenerate guys, in my mind you more then deserved it for showing me just how much you trust and support me. To others I hope that in the future I can some day earn your trust as well. Maybe you too can get the chance to reap the rewords of being a part of my family. Because my family gets taken care of . I share everything with the NTBM family and I always will. I love my family so much and relish every opportunity I get to show it them.

Anyone who is a part of NTBM is my family. If you come to my forums, support my products, support me, are on my rep team, friends with me and or my team, support what NTBM stands for, or can look at what we are about now and want to be a part of it. Then you are family to me and I will always treat you as such. So come on and join us , you are always welcome in the house of NTBM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love::love::love::love:
 
halfhuman said:
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Yes but it will be back in stock some time next week or a little after and when it is trust me I have finely solved my stock trouble. Together with My growers and manufacturers We have worked for a long time on this and we finely have enough to make it the way I have to have it made. .

I am doubling the order of everyone who pre ordered hcgenerate as well as giving them all a free pack of better protein bars and a 6 pack of energy shots/ass lightning. Then when The next shipment comes in next week I have plenty to go around :newangel::newangel::wow::wow:
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Yes but it will be back in stock some time next week or a little after and when it is trust me I have finely solved my stock trouble. Together with My growers and manufacturers We have worked for a long time on this and we finely have enough to make it the way I have to have it made. .

I am doubling the order of everyone who pre ordered hcgenerate as well as giving them all a free pack of better protein bars and a 6 pack of energy shots/ass lightning. Then when The next shipment comes in next week I have plenty to go around :newangel::newangel::wow::wow:
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Awesome! sounds good
 
It was very hard to keep quiet about Nate doubling the orders from the pre-sale, so I'm glad you finally came in here and said it so I didn't have to bite my tongue anymore! :)

This is why I trust this man :yup:
 
MidwestBeast said:
It was very hard to keep quiet about Nate doubling the orders from the pre-sale, so I'm glad you finally came in here and said it so I didn't have to bite my tongue anymore! :)

This is why I trust this man :yup:
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Where was my subtle heads up?! I used to like you...
 
SouthernLord said:
Damn. I should have got in in the presale :(

This is mighty generous of you n2!
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I am sure many will be saying the same, but if you did then some one else would have missed out. You have already had the chance to get the product. So Although I love ya I am glad you passed on it lmao...

I did not know I would have my supply problem solved so soon though. Seems everyone will have the opportunity to get a bottle now. Come next week the products will be all over the dame place!!!!!
 
Wow, that $100 seems like quite a deal now, wish I had pre-ordered...
 
Now that's a steal.. I bet everyone who passed up on the pre-order is kicking themselves in the ass! Come on did you really think Nate was gonna screw you over like that? No, it was solely so ppl that can never get their hands on the product finally did now! And now they get a extra bottle, protein bars & ass lightning.. :D :D :D
 
BarbellBeast said:
Now that's a steal.. I bet everyone who passed up on the pre-order is kicking themselves in the ass! Come on did you really think Nate was gonna screw you over like that? No, it was solely so ppl that can never get their hands on the product finally did now! And now they get a extra bottle, protein bars & ass lightning.. :D :D :D
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Feel good to know you get to be a part of it all don't it bro. :moon:
 
NTBM always amazes me, the most giving owner in the business....not only do you get hands down the best t-booster in the industry.....but you get TWO!, plus extra goodies
 
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