Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

[hairygrandpa]

I have started to like Psy trance again.. Gets me fukn riled up.

I'm more into acid, like:

 

[hairygrandpa]

For those that need more of a house and trance flow, focus - Above and Beyond Group Therapy (weekly UK DJ podcast) - also something for when HGP hits the raves next!

Episode 325 here.

Too happy for me. I would not mind while there -but I prefer harder beats.

Listen to this, that is what keeps me kicking, intro is a bit long but then...BAM:

 

[Admin]

My disdain for @Admin subsided, getting slowly used to the new features. Overall look is improved, shiny new forum -but with the same lame and weak members.

Since I'm using slin again, I also incorporated MK-677. Now I'm "full in". Weight is going up -but no change to my new "semi-leanness".

I struggle with MK-677. At only 10 mg at night it makes me wake up every hour, like a clockwork. One hour sleep then waking up...10 minutes until sleeping again. One hour later- waking up...and so on. All in conjunction with silly dreams.

Change is tough, but overall the amount of features and how well everything works is so much better.

 

[Hyde]

My disdain for @Admin subsided, getting slowly used to the new features. Overall look is improved, shiny new forum -but with the same lame and weak members.

Since I'm using slin again, I also incorporated MK-677. Now I'm "full in". Weight is going up -but no change to my new "semi-leanness".

I struggle with MK-677. At only 10 mg at night it makes me wake up every hour, like a clockwork. One hour sleep then waking up...10 minutes until sleeping again. One hour later- waking up...and so on. All in conjunction with silly dreams.

Perhaps try it in the AM, or mid day, and see if the sides work better for you then?

 

[jtmass]

I'm more into acid, like:

lol.. I know for sure this is coming from one of your rave parties.. pretty good

 

[hairygrandpa]

Gym
Today was "rest pause until vomiting day".

Everything with 2 rest pause sets, even legs. 9 different exercises, whole body, 2 sets + each set 2 RP sets.
Followed my slin + cialis + hyper hydration protocol. Popped the MK-677 before workout, instead before bed, like @Hyde suggested. Went smoothly with no sides! Thank you @Hyde !

Now sitting pumped up in front of my PC, feeling huge. Only meal of the day will be 600 gr Tilapia filet, sour cream and sesame seeds.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Gym
Today was "rest pause until vomiting day".

Everything with 2 rest pause sets, even legs. 9 different exercises, whole body, 2 sets + each set 2 RP sets.
Followed my slin + cialis + hyper hydration protocol. Popped the MK-677 before workout, instead before bed, like @Hyde suggested. Went smoothly with no sides! Thank you @Hyde !

Now sitting pumped up in front of my PC, feeling huge. Only meal of the day will be 600 gr Tilapia filet, sour cream and sesame seeds.

I love workouts like this, **** really burns. Chest feels nice and full after benching like this

 

[Godstrength]

I FEEL LIKE SUPERMAN. Seriously. Rejected beer and grilled lamb loin chops today. Fasting will be now my new life style. Any fasting. Intermittent most of the time.
Here a breakdown:

Monday: IF + Keto + Gym/pm +HIIT Cardio (feed after Gym)
Tuesday:IF + Keto
Wednesday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm +HIIT Cardio (feed after Gym)
Thursday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm + Carb back-load (feed after Gym)
Friday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm/ Heavy weight, no cardio (feed after Gym)
Saturday: IF + Keto + socializing (alcohol -vodka+zero carb soda)
Sunday: Fasting

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Hell yeaaahhh buddy! Looking good af. I think the fasting/intermittent fasting is a game changer. Man you've come so far brother my hats off to you. Hope everything is going well man. Keep up the good work, its inspiring to say the least.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Hell yeaaahhh buddy! Looking good af. I think the fasting/intermittent fasting is a game changer. Man you've come so far brother my hats off to you. Hope everything is going well man. Keep up the good work, its inspiring to say the least.

Thank you! Took awhile for me to really understand the nutrition part of bodybuilding. Now playing around with slin, guessing its a game changer if done right.

 

[Chados]

Thank you! Took awhile for me to really understand the nutrition part of bodybuilding. Now playing around with slin, guessing its a game changer if done right.

You doing slin and fasting? How does that work for you?

 

[Whisky]

When everything reset recently I read through the terms and conditions and I'm sure it said any mention of it would result in instant ban but I can't find it now so maybe I dreamt it.

If a swat team hasn't crashed through your roof yet to take you out I recon your safe

In other threads it was definitely a no go for discussion. If I understand the inference it was basically because there’s a significant risk that someone doesn’t use it properly or miscalculated a dose etc and dies. That’s not something the site (or probably any members) would want to have any link to (understandably).......

 

[Whisky]

Thank you! Took awhile for me to really understand the nutrition part of bodybuilding. Now playing around with slin, guessing its a game changer if done right.

You combined with the consistency of those smarter than me got me into this fasting path of late. Daily intermittent, 24hours ever couple of weeks and today is the start of a 5 day fast.

When loads of top ceo’s and the leaders in both medical and health/fitness industries have this as part of there lifestyle it suggests there’s something in it for sure.

 

[Wobmarvel]

In other threads it was definitely a no go for discussion. If I understand the inference it was basically because there’s a significant risk that someone doesn’t use it properly or miscalculated a dose etc and dies. That’s not something the site (or probably any members) would want to have any link to (understandably).......

Bit like slin then

 

[Hyde]

You combined with the consistency of those smarter than me got me into this fasting path of late. Daily intermittent, 24hours ever couple of weeks and today is the start of a 5 day fast.

When loads of top ceo’s and the leaders in both medical and health/fitness industries have this as part of there lifestyle it suggests there’s something in it for sure.

Yesterday was Day 1 for me! Today hunger hasn’t remotely shown itself (yesterday was hungry all day), but energy is possibly lower - feeling very faint. Hoping that turns around soon because it’s probably worse than the hunger was lol.

I am adding significant amounts of salt & potassium to my water at a 1:1.5 ratio.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Yesterday was Day 1 for me! Today hunger hasn’t remotely shown itself (yesterday was hungry all day), but energy is possibly lower - feeling very faint. Hoping that turns around soon because it’s probably worse than the hunger was lol.

I am adding significant amounts of salt & potassium to my water at a 1:1.5 ratio.

For me was no loss of energy -but my daily life is sedentary. Do you train?

You doing slin and fasting? How does that work for you?

Its basically a fast until training at 9.30 pm. When training starts I load about 70gr of plain sugar intra workout, beforehand slin at 6 IU. This way I circumnavigate liver as glycogen storage and fill up my muscles only. After training my "one meal of the day" (in a 3 hours window), mainly protein with some fat. I'm gaining size on this protocol, I think (well, looks like it, not sure if it stays without slin). At the same time I get more vascular. Time will tell if this is the holy grail: Losing fat and gaining muscles.

 

[Hyde]

For me was no loss of energy -but my daily life is sedentary. Do you train?

Definitely no training. My desk job is sedentary, but just walking around is genuinely tough. Like an event I have to steel myself for. But I am getting by - I want that GH surge for my repaired bicep tendon! I mean I want fat-loss and improved insulin sensitivity, but those are things I can accomplish slower by less drastic means if necessary. BUT, aside from dropping the cash on real GH, this is the only way.

Plus I think my left quad needs the healing break after 24 leg workouts in the last 2 months.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Definitely no training. My desk job is sedentary, but just walking around is genuinely tough. Like an event I have to steel myself for. But I am getting by - I want that GH surge for my repaired bicep tendon! I mean I want fat-loss and improved insulin sensitivity, but those are things I can accomplish slower by less drastic means if necessary. BUT, aside from dropping the cash on real GH, this is the only way.

Plus I think my left quad needs the healing break after 24 leg workouts in the last 2 months.

I would incorporate MK-677 for the time being.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Gym

Shortest gym session ever. 2 sets of incline crunches, followed by 3 sets of deadlifts, followed by the worst back pumps ever. Was unable to move, sit or breathe or for about 20 minutes. Left the gym in slow motion. Damn.

 

[Wobmarvel]

"Left the gym in slow motion"

I hope you were running for maximum Baywatch effect.

 

[Rocket3015]

Gym

Shortest gym session ever. 2 sets of incline crunches, followed by 3 sets of deadlifts, followed by the worst back pumps ever. Was unable to move, sit or breathe or for about 20 minutes. Left the gym in slow motion. Damn.

This is when I feel old !!

 

[Whisky]

Gym

Shortest gym session ever. 2 sets of incline crunches, followed by 3 sets of deadlifts, followed by the worst back pumps ever. Was unable to move, sit or breathe or for about 20 minutes. Left the gym in slow motion. Damn.

That sucks, hope it’s a one off for you hgp

@Hyde weirdly energy and cognitive aspect has been ok for me. I felt a few hunger pangs in the first 24 hours but mid way through day two and I feel fine. I’m already appreciating just how much time I lose either cooking, eating or cleaning up from cooking. Combined with no gym (took on board @spurfys comments on that - I’m still walking my dog but that’s it) I’ve gained around 4 hrs a day!

I wanted to keep it as supplement free as possible so only things I’m taking are a multivit, zma (for the magnesium), metforim (just a longevity thing I do) and sea salt in my water a few times a day.

I’ll be going back and reading your stuff about carb loading afterwards HGP, I know Sal di Stefano plus others talk about the anabolic nature of refeeding after a fast and how they use fasting as a strategy to gain muscle (given I’m also starting a cycle next week I’m hoping for big things)

@hairygrandpa you got taurine on the go for them back pumps??

 

[Chados]

For me was no loss of energy -but my daily life is sedentary. Do you train?



Its basically a fast until training at 9.30 pm. When training starts I load about 70gr of plain sugar intra workout, beforehand slin at 6 IU. This way I circumnavigate liver as glycogen storage and fill up my muscles only. After training my "one meal of the day" (in a 3 hours window), mainly protein with some fat. I'm gaining size on this protocol, I think (well, looks like it, not sure if it stays without slin). At the same time I get more vascular. Time will tell if this is the holy grail: Losing fat and gaining muscles.

With conjunction of steroids it is, how long are you planning on be on?

 

[Rocket3015]

With conjunction of steroids it is, how long are you planning on be on?

You think he might come off ??

 

[Chados]

You think he might come off ??

Haha arguably not. Got a feeling HGP will end up like a 16 year old 2020.. 0 fat% and a Mohawk

 

[MrKleen73]

Oh boy I have had those serious back pumps before too! My calves and tibialis get pumps really bad too. One time I was just taking a walk at lunch and walked about a mile out and started coming back and my calves and tibialis muscles got so pumped I ended up getting back 30 minutes late from lunch. Once they got bad I had to stop then could only get so far at a time after that before I had to stop and rest again. It sucked! Definitely had a few workout ending back pumps too. Laid out on the floor or on a bench at the gym just hating life!

 

[00A]

Hairygrandpa, what keeps you motivated?

 

[SkRaw85]

Hairygrandpa, what keeps you motivated?

He’s a bloodthirsty savage.

 

[Hyde]

Hairygrandpa, what keeps you motivated?

Gotta defend the tilapia farm somehow

 

[hairygrandpa]

That sucks, hope it’s a one off for you hgp

@Hyde weirdly energy and cognitive aspect has been ok for me. I felt a few hunger pangs in the first 24 hours but mid way through day two and I feel fine. I’m already appreciating just how much time I lose either cooking, eating or cleaning up from cooking. Combined with no gym (took on board @spurfys comments on that - I’m still walking my dog but that’s it) I’ve gained around 4 hrs a day!

I wanted to keep it as supplement free as possible so only things I’m taking are a multivit, zma (for the magnesium), metforim (just a longevity thing I do) and sea salt in my water a few times a day.

I’ll be going back and reading your stuff about carb loading afterwards HGP, I know Sal di Stefano plus others talk about the anabolic nature of refeeding after a fast and how they use fasting as a strategy to gain muscle (given I’m also starting a cycle next week I’m hoping for big things)

@hairygrandpa you got taurine on the go for them back pumps??

No taurine at hand. You mentioned ZMA. Spurfy said, unless you wanna feel like dying, do NOT supplement with zinc in a fast. Just you know.

 

[hairygrandpa]

With conjunction of steroids it is, how long are you planning on be on?

Forever.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Hairygrandpa, what keeps you motivated?

Looking at all my friends who are 50+ and look like sh1t, that keeps me motivated. Also the attention I get from younger ladies (them having an Oedipus complex helps) -and watching younger dudes approaching me more cautiously -instead shoving me aside.
The day I die, I gonna carry my own coffin to the grave -with me in it.

 

[Hyde]

No taurine at hand. You mentioned ZMA. Spurfy said, unless you wanna feel like dying, do NOT supplement with zinc in a fast. Just you know.

Should probably note that a multi isn’t going to get absorbed with no food going through digestion so that’s probably unnecessary strain as well.

 

[Chados]

Forever.

With the slin?

 

[ValiantThor08]

No taurine at hand. You mentioned ZMA. Spurfy said, unless you wanna feel like dying, do NOT supplement with zinc in a fast. Just you know.

When I fasted I took a ton of zinc, but also balanced with the other minerals. I felt good. Maybe I am the exception. I have an iron gut, but baby gag reflex.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Forever.

Please get tests done, bloods and heart rhythm check if you gonna be on forever. Would like to see you on here for the long term.

 

[Hyde]

Please get tests done, bloods and heart rhythm check if you gonna be on forever. Would like to see you on here for the long term.

All individuals should be getting annual bloodwork. ALL.

Someone cycling can just benefit from it more frequently because major variables can change faster. I mean you take anavar for 4 weeks and lipids will be garbage, but you wouldn’t have known it without bloods.

 

[ValiantThor08]

All individuals should be getting annual bloodwork. ALL.

Someone cycling can just benefit from it more frequently because major variables can change faster. I mean you take anavar for 4 weeks and lipids will be garbage, but you wouldn’t have known it without bloods.

I'm bad. Haven't had blood tests or a physical in years

 

[ValiantThor08]

And wonder why I have insomnia many nights.

 

[Whisky]

Should probably note that a multi isn’t going to get absorbed with no food going through digestion so that’s probably unnecessary strain as well.

I’m three full days now and to be honest I feel fine, literally no issues at all. I’m walking 10k + steps a day (I always do this with my dog) but that’s my only activity. I’ve no physical hunger pangs at all now. I’m thinking about food a bit but I’m pretty sure that’s just because I normally would. At this point I’ve no doubt I’ll finish my planned 5 days.

Urine has been darker (not dark but not clear like I expected) than I expected so could be the multi passing through. Could be some detoxification?

Cognitive change has been the stand out thing thus far, I feel sharp and almost serene.

Hgp - I know you went through some moments of clarity etc but generally around mid fast how were you feeling?

It’s definitely interesting to me, enjoying the experience.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Please get tests done, bloods and heart rhythm check if you gonna be on forever. Would like to see you on here for the long term.

All individuals should be getting annual bloodwork. ALL.

Someone cycling can just benefit from it more frequently because major variables can change faster. I mean you take anavar for 4 weeks and lipids will be garbage, but you wouldn’t have known it without bloods.

Yes, I do. I give blood too. Keep in mind I really don't go overboard with dosages and have long periods with only sub 200mg/w of TRT. Next TRT break is coming up in about 3 weeks, will stay for at least 10 weeks with a minimum of test and do some bloodwork.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I’m three full days now and to be honest I feel fine, literally no issues at all. I’m walking 10k + steps a day (I always do this with my dog) but that’s my only activity. I’ve no physical hunger pangs at all now. I’m thinking about food a bit but I’m pretty sure that’s just because I normally would. At this point I’ve no doubt I’ll finish my planned 5 days.

Urine has been darker (not dark but not clear like I expected) than I expected so could be the multi passing through. Could be some detoxification?

Cognitive change has been the stand out thing thus far, I feel sharp and almost serene.

Hgp - I know you went through some moments of clarity etc but generally around mid fast how were you feeling?

It’s definitely interesting to me, enjoying the experience.

Yes, like you. Mental clarity and feeling "lighter", like "more sporty".

 

[ValiantThor08]

You are the exception.

Unless you were taking chelated zinc, anything more than 10 mg on an empty stomach should have provoked nausea -- anything more than 25 mg, vomiting. Zn is both a gastric irritant and interacts with chemoreceptors in the gut which cause nausea.

Think the Zinc in ZMK was chelated. Plus I had Zinc from Rise.

 

[Hyde]

As long as you fast several times per year and keep your bloodwork in check, I see no problems with this.

The main risks of being "on" forever are:

1. Cardiovascular risk (mitigated by fasting)
2. Cancer (mitigated by fasting)
3. Blood/immune disorders (mitigated by fasting)

As someone currently doing this fast, how does it decrease my cardiovascular risk factors? I understand the cancer and immune disorders. Just want to understand!

Thank you, @Spurfy

 

[hairygrandpa]

To the cardio vascular issues and roids:

Before I started training and roids, I was diagnosed with pronounced left ventricular hypertrophy. Doc gave me a shitload of meds, like beta blockers and whatnot, I discarded all of them and started my process of transformation by lifting.
After searching the web, I self prescribed Telmisartan.
2 years later, after a visit with my cardiologist, LVH was gone -the dumbfounded cardiologist asked how I did it and if I'm lifting, because the heart walls were thicker. He said its normal for lifters and I should up cardio. Then he asked me if I could train his son... hehehe! Seriously.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Gym

Going to describe it more in detail, in case someone is trying to emulate what I'm doing, using moderate weights.

Chest focused training:
Flat DB bench press, each set 1 notch up to inclined
3 sec negatives, explosive up, on upper stretch lifting scapulas up (extending shoulders), pause between sets: 1.5 minutes
2x 55lbs x26
notch up
2x55lbs x22
notch up
2x55lbs x18

flat
2x 55lbs x19
notch up
2x55lbs x17
notch up
2x55lbs x15

Cable flies
extended arms with minimal bent at elbows, chest out, starts with arms leaned far back, 3 sec negatives
cables fixed high
2x25lbs x20
2x30lbs x15
2x30lbs x15
partials, from starting position to arms parallel in front, quick reps)
2x30lbs x20
cables fixed medium (shoulder height)
2x25lbs x18
2x30lbs x12
2x30lbs x13
partials, from starting position to arms parallel in front, quick reps)
2x30lbs x16

Linear leg press
bottom partials:
500lbs x24
upper partials
500lbs x30
3sec lowering/3 sec up full rom
500lbs x11
400lbs quick reps x 23

Bicycle 10 minutes with sprint intervals

 

[hairygrandpa]

Announcement

Starting Monday a 5 day water fast as my deload/fast protocol. Monday will be a gym day, cardio focused.

 

[Whisky]

Chronic inflammation is the single biggest risk factor in CV health. Fasting crushes chronic inflammation and resets the immune system so that it’s not hyperactive.

There’s also the matter of restored insulin sensitivity, reduced AGEs, lowered small dense LDL, less gut wall permeability. (Etc)

Useful info as ever brother. I had seen these as effects of water fasting from a number of sources but one thing I’ve not been able to find is the timescales or effects of different types of fasting in relation to these (probably due to the lack of clinical human studies, especially on extended water fasts, any you know of would be much appreciated). In particular I’m interested in time restricted eating (8-10 hr feeding window daily) and extended water fasting.......

I’m assuming that some of the anti inflammatory benefits along with the longevity benefits from down regulation of mtor come with the daily fast whilst the cell autophagy, gh increase etc is would be more prevalent during an extender water fast?

 

[Whisky]

That is a correct assumption. The effects on mTOR and inflammation from TRF are largely due to decreased BG load and corresponding lowered insulin, while extended fasting does the bulk of work in the autophagy and immunomodulatory arenas. There is probably some degree of autophagy and immunomodulation occurring during sufficiently long TRF, but if I had to throw it out there I'd guess that these don't really substantively begin until around the 12-14 hour mark -- this would make sense, as GH only begins to appreciably rise around the 16 hour mark, and the GH rise is caused, in part, by the body's desire to preserve lean tissue (ie, excluding it from autophagocytocic processes, which tend to be ultimately protein-specific).

And a bit off-topic, but GH really doesn’t begin to surge until after about 16 hours of fasting, so anything less than a 16:8 isn’t going to really have profound recomposition effects, if anyone was wondering.

Thanks @Spurfy if we could still rep I would

 

[hairygrandpa]

Yesterday was my first "water-only-day". Kept it literally to only water, nothing else. Had some nasty food cravings late at night, opened and closed the fridge a dozen times, LOL. Woke up today with renewed focus and strength.
I have no goal set for this fast. It will go as long as I please. If I break it, it will be with meat and fat. My body composition changed tremendously, now having a way more "sporty" look, with rips showing -and some veins.
Changed my cycle a bit, now using:
250mg/w test + 2 caps DMZ split. Nothing else. DMZ in a cut is supposedly riddled with sides like headache and lethargy due to low carb. Let see if that observation of others holds water for me.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Thinking about using Ralox. I have this stubborn"under-boob" fat that has to go. About a year ago I used ralox with success to get rid of gyno, caused by a trest cycle. Back then I also noted shrinking boob fat. Will be interesting to see if it works for just that purpose. I would follow the same protocol as for gyno:
First lowering e2 with 25mg/d exemestane for 2 days, then 60mg ralox/d for 3-5 weeks, while in a cut. Besides going low with test (175mg/w) I would also use proviron, for hardening -and e2 curbing purpose.
If I decide to do it, I may open a separate threat, guessing it would interest some people here. Have to get some calipers first.