Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad
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SouthernCharm
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He admitted he was wrong by straying away from what he normally does and admits it, says he needs to have a word with the manufacturer of the product, and has his phone line open for any questions anyone here may have. Not backing out or making a plug about his products in any way. Nothing about anyone being jealous. I believe Nathan has a lot of integrity and while people are going to disagree, this is a mistake. Albeit a big one, still a mistake.
Patrick Arnold
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I sure hope the rest of natalies tests come out fine. because i cant afford to waste another day on a stupid thread like this
nattydisaster
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Iamcamel11
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"Yes I can and will admit fault and own this problem with the product here. As of right now with this test ( more will be done I am sure not just by me) and yes If anyone would like a refund you have my emails and I am ready to take care of you.. "
offering refund as well.
offering refund as well.
UnrealMachine
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Wow interesting thread
So here's the point I'm at. Assuming that the lab results are 100% accurate and representative of all MDXT bottles, how are the loggers making such big gains? If .5mg of SD is all the hormonal product that was significant enough to register on the test, then how are the loggers gaining 10+ pounds from taking 1.5mg of SD a day?
That doesn't make any sense. And no, weight and strength gains prove nothing scientifically, but a little common sense must be applied. I've been BBing long enough to know that someone's bodyweight doesn't just shoot up 15 pounds because they upped their cals a bit, it happens when steroids cause massive amounts of water and nutrient retention.
So here's the point I'm at. Assuming that the lab results are 100% accurate and representative of all MDXT bottles, how are the loggers making such big gains? If .5mg of SD is all the hormonal product that was significant enough to register on the test, then how are the loggers gaining 10+ pounds from taking 1.5mg of SD a day?
That doesn't make any sense. And no, weight and strength gains prove nothing scientifically, but a little common sense must be applied. I've been BBing long enough to know that someone's bodyweight doesn't just shoot up 15 pounds because they upped their cals a bit, it happens when steroids cause massive amounts of water and nutrient retention.
Patrick Arnold
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Its a better move then pulling a roger clemens. Look what andy pettite did. say woops right away and then in a month everyone will be fine
nattydisaster
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Yup...i use that analogy all the time. Honestly is ALWAYS best...no other way to earn respect.
MidwestBeast
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Couldn't agree with that thought process more. Definitely the way to go, because it all comes out in the end, anyway.
chocolatemilk
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It's probably the 2-cyano... we don't know how accurate their testing for that was. I don't see what else it could be.
De__eB
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What does a research chem company have anything to do with quality?
Do you somehow not think a research chem company could sell a quality product?
It could be *any* steroid...
BigBlackGuy
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I hope it's d-bol. Where can I pick this stuff up? :lol:
diablosho
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Not really sure what one has to do with the other. Okay, great, tap water has more lead (I'm just accepting your statistic as I have no incentive to research how much lead tap water contains, and then separate that by zip-code/area-code; although D.C. has the highest I hear). No one would even think about taking these products with TAP WATER would they? Nah.
All I'm saying is that it is a compounding issue. Adding the lead from protein powder (HIGH), tap water (VERY HIGH in some areas I hear), pre-WOs (probably HIGH), and now Monsterdrol-XT (Somewhere between HIGH and VERY HIGH) on a relatively consistant basis could possibly present a significant issue, as there may not be adequate time for the body to eliminate the lead. Now again, this paragraph is entirely speculation/opinion on my part, while the information in the post you are referring was prepared with research from OSHA as well as Wikipedia and ChocolateMilk, although I know that short of doing the studies myself, I have to take the information with a grain of salt.
As far as the per deciliter issue, I honestly don't know what you're saying. Are you saying that it would not be completely soluble in blood, and as such be more heavily concentrated in one sample over another? I'm not a chemist as I stated, and I really am not trying to be confrontational (although I do have a tendency to come off as such for some reason). But I would really like to get to the bottom of this and understand it as much as possible, so please explain it to me.
mitbar
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The test results are interesting to me. I have done my research, got COA's and talked to the manufacturer of this product that makes it for us. Now the dhb and bioprene are pure and in the product along with the cyano. This leads me to believe that this lab does not have a baseline to test these products or find how much is in the mix. The .5mg of superdrol can be found cause all that cyano really is, is superdrol with a 2-cyano on it (im not a chemist). There is no way that anyone including a newb to lifiting can be succesful in using this product if all that was in it was .5mg of dhea, .5mg caffeine and .5mg of superdrol. What it comes down to is this said lab has no means or baseline to test anything that is in the bottle.
Just to clarify i have no affiliation with ntbm i have my own companies and a small interest in ruthless. I also am not Mr supps.
Just to clarify i have no affiliation with ntbm i have my own companies and a small interest in ruthless. I also am not Mr supps.
chocolatemilk
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Most other steroids can be detected and wouldn't show up as unknown. 2-cyano-phera is one of very few that detection could be problematic for.
needtogetmuscle
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They are two totally different companies my friend. You can own more then one company as a person and just because you as a "person" own a company does not mean all the companies you own own each other.
I am a person, a man and I own part of RLS and I also own part of NTBM. Nether of them own each other though. Two totally different companies with two totally different business license and tax Id numbers.
Otherwise if they were the same company they would be a sponsor of this site (without me having to pay double) but they are not because AM knows and sees them the two different companies that they are and would charge me a full sponsorship fee.
I hope this has helped you bro. Thank you
Iamcamel11
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you're right. research places are know for their qulaity
funny you question other people about legal guidelines yet assume research chemicals are of the highest quality. wonder why
jbryand101b
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well, here is what six pages of sifting bare foot through garbage will get you:
-lab test has no standard to compare compound in question with.
- other compounds not on label found in product in trace amounts.
- more test re test needed to validate what test showed.
- testing for the compound in question would leave no question to the results if one were to use an "infrared spectroscopy analysis on the extract".
- if you are un happy with an rsl purchase (including monsterdrol-xt) you can return it for a refund.
-lab test has no standard to compare compound in question with.
- other compounds not on label found in product in trace amounts.
- more test re test needed to validate what test showed.
- testing for the compound in question would leave no question to the results if one were to use an "infrared spectroscopy analysis on the extract".
- if you are un happy with an rsl purchase (including monsterdrol-xt) you can return it for a refund.
De__eB
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its 2-Cyano PPlex, not 2-Cyano SD...
henryv
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Not this cyano product. It's structurally claimed to be phera with a 2-cyano, not methyl-DHT with a 2-cyano (which is what AI's was).
De__eB
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you're right. research places are know for their qulaity
funny you question other people about legal guidelines yet assume research chemicals are of the highest quality. wonder why
I didn't assume anything.
I simply pointed out that you can't make the blanket assumption that research chemicals are automatically low quality because numerous research chem companies have had lab results come back just fine.
mw1
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Well this "one " company boasts to have the best quality ,while repeatedly questioning other companies' products when in fact they do not conduct post production testing of their own but rely on the "supplier's" COA.
Patrick Arnold
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Iamcamel11
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i can and did. if you don't like it, tough ****. defending the quality control of research companies. heard it all now.
reecew
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I think this thread is way out of hand. It was started off very negatively by the OP trying to discredit people for no reason who have no affiliation with and no motive at all for logging said product other than helping others on this board see the compound in action. I paid full price for my bottle of MDXT didnt even get it BOGO. I havent received any free products, discounts, or any form of incentive for logging the product. Now this is just a bash thread not even offering any more inisght into the original post. But i cant blame everyone since this was started off as a bash thread. Im just saying until a second lab test confirms or disproves this we really cant do anything but wait and see. But the bashing really should stop. We are adults or most of us are anywho and should act it.
Patrick Arnold
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AE14
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I would agree. My only issue (outside of the chain of custody) is imo she loses credibility based on this "vendetta". Personally, I would have found it more credible had she also tested supps from other companies.
De__eB
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Right, you can assume all you want, but we all know where that gets people.
De__eB
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What does her vendetta have anything to do with the results of an independent lab test?
AE14
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I didnt adress the labs to be honest. I just find it odd (as she has already admitted) that she has a vendetta. Add in a greater array of companies here, and to me it seems more legit.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I don't quite see how her having a vendetta affects an independent lab test. But you are right that it seems unfair that only ntbm is getting tested.
Patrick, weren't you involved in the conversation here on AM 2 or 3 years back when there was talk of forming a group to do random product testing?
Messor
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So that's what got your panties in a bunch.
Let me make this clear.
I don't know anything about you, your history, or your former business.
The fact that you took my post to heart shows your own insecurity, as I was not even talking about to you.
I don't know the name of your former company.
Don't think everything you read on an internet forum is about you.
bdcc
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Nathan's post on page 4 was very well written and he handled this very well. Flaming the OP, irrespective of motives only comes across as aggressive and defensive. It makes the company look guilty.
I have no personal interest in how this turns out other than sheer curiosity but being humble and admitting a potential mistake is good, honest business practice and I give him kudos for this.
Respect people to be respected. I think this thread would have been a lot calmer and more constructive if the reps didn't ignore questions and describe genuine concerns as "hilarious". This is dismissing serious questions about the company's product testing which should have been addressed professionally.
I have no personal interest in how this turns out other than sheer curiosity but being humble and admitting a potential mistake is good, honest business practice and I give him kudos for this.
Respect people to be respected. I think this thread would have been a lot calmer and more constructive if the reps didn't ignore questions and describe genuine concerns as "hilarious". This is dismissing serious questions about the company's product testing which should have been addressed professionally.
Iamcamel11
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which is funny because the dude says it could be his fault, owned up and offered a refund. so if she was trying to slander the guy, she failed horribly.
and what makes it worse is her entire company was funded off research chemicals that skirt the law. only in the supp industry can you find such hypocrisy.
jbryand101b
Banned
easy, her having a vendetta doesn't effect the results being that she never touched the product.
but in my opinion it would just look better if she was lifting up everyones skirt. that is, if she really wanted to try to fix the industry. but then, she would have a vendetta with the sole purpose of taking down a company and one person.
I certainly wish I had that much money and free time. but I wouldn't waste it on something so insignificant.
and then, all in all, this is bad publicity for all supplement manufacturers, as helps the fda look like they need to step in and regulate everyone.
I wonder why she waited so long to post the results?
but in my opinion it would just look better if she was lifting up everyones skirt. that is, if she really wanted to try to fix the industry. but then, she would have a vendetta with the sole purpose of taking down a company and one person.
I certainly wish I had that much money and free time. but I wouldn't waste it on something so insignificant.
and then, all in all, this is bad publicity for all supplement manufacturers, as helps the fda look like they need to step in and regulate everyone.
I wonder why she waited so long to post the results?
TheWriting
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Yes because clearly this is the best defense. "It couldn't be any of the other infinite molecular combinations so it must be a highly anabolic substance. I'm sure of it!" This whole, "Bro man, I gained 30 lbs and 100 lbs on my bizzench max in a week, this stuff is straight legit! GTL!" is getting old.
There is a way this can happen, judging by the consistency of the powder who knows how the raw materials were sent, stored, and used for encapsulation. It is clear that they were already clumping together judging by the colored specs in the powder which leads me to believe that it is possible that every bottle will have a different proportion of "stuff" in it. One may have 10x the superdrol as another one and have half of the unidentified materials, who knows.
Funny thing is, there have already been more than one test conducted and they both confirmed each other.
Asmodean
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Pardon my ignorance, but if there is not a 2-cyano standard to test the compound in question against, who is to say they do or don't have it? If they do have a standard, they should defend themselves by testing against it. If they don't have a standard, how would they ever know the compound was legit to begin with????
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
This is just a bad comment. This is a perfect example of why people believe the FDA needs to regulate the industry.
Iamcamel11
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you mean its getting old now you aren't making money off it. funny how she sold the company has all this cash she is sitting on and she's tired of it.
hoopem6
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It certainly did. Thank you for the clarification, Nathan.
Now I have another question: if this issue is truly the manufacturer's fault, what happens if any of the aforementioned supplements that were not produced under the same supplier as MDXT and are now being tested by Natalie (i.e. Beastdrol, Helladrol) contain similar contaminates or do not contain the specific ingredients listed on the label? Also, if 2-cyano does not have a comparable baseline, do any of the products being tested (Beastdrol, Dieselbolan, Helladrol, Malicious Mass, N2KTS) have one?
EasyEJL
Never enough
Can you tell me how putting "dietary supplement" on the label of an active steroid so you can use the loopholes in the DSHEA to sell it till the FDA asks you to show where its compliant is morally superior to selling research chems?
And I'm not at all busting on ntbm on this, I like their products and was happy to get to try their chlorathoxy even though not being sure whether what was in it was a de-methylated halodrol or just halodrol. But that's because it was a beta. Heck, I've tried things as a part of testing (natural and non-natural) without having any idea as to ingredients. But if I buy something, I expect it to have in it what the label says.
TheWriting
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Okay this needs to be brought up because it seems to be a theme in here. You do not need a standard to test against in every scenario. How do you think they determine things before there is a standard? You think there is some magical book that creates a standard when a company creates something? The entire purpose of the MS portion of a GC or LC is determine what a compound is based on its mass to charge ratio.
The humorous part of this entire thing? If there is no standard for it then how is it that mitbar and the others claim that the original COA is perfect and that they had independent labs confirm this? Man they must have a set of standards that no other pharmaceutical company seems to possess.
Patrick Arnold
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probably. that discussion comes up time and again. anyone that has tried to do it though eventually get so caught up in litigation that they get shut down. especially if they expose one of the big boys
jbryand101b
Banned
really, do you have anything productive, or intelligent to add to the thread regarding the discussion?
tell us you vast steroid knowledge hts, explain to us the molecular weight of the compound, and how, if any signifigance it has to the test, which is the topic of discussion.
let us know the breakdown of 2-cyano-desoxymethyltestosterone.
because all I see is someone who doesn't know how to add anything into the science of the thread, so they choose to pick at negative comments.
TheWriting
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Was kind of waiting on the same thing from you?
jbryand101b
Banned
there is no standard to verify if it is or isn't the compound in question.
It has been explained to me by those the signifigance of the molecular weight, which can i believe be estimated scientifically.
this is from what I was informed, what the lab has seemed to do. more testing will be done.
Patrick Arnold
Featured Author
Let me make something clear.
I did not say your post was intended for me. In fact I was quite sure it was not intended for me,cuz let me tell you boy if it were that would have been a bad move
I was insulted in the general sense, and the insult carries over to my feelings for many other good companies in this industry.
Newbie companies that come across like they are the kings get shot down by the veterans. I hope you learn that or i hope your boss (who seems to have half a brain and a decent amount of respect) teaches you soon.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Jbry, Please....
First, show me anywhere that I made a mention of having "vast steroid knowledge."
I don't have to be a dairy farmer to know that I would be in uproar if I thought I was getting something other than milk in my 2% jug.
Your comment, along with many sidesteps, attacks on people's motives, and basically stating anything but "My company screwed up." is the problem I had with your responses. Nathan was a man in this thread, admited fault (assuming the labs are correct) and will handle the problem. You on the other hand decide to attack the person who brought this to light. Don't make this a me vs. NTBM thing. As I mentioned to you before, I have always been very good with Nathan (at least I think) I have even sent him an email warning him when a rep was attacking his brand.
Your comment about the FDA was stupid. So should we ignore the fact that your product was potentially bunk, contained traces of non labled substances, just so we dont give motive to the FDA? Maybe if the product had some quality testing previous to release, that itself would have protected things like this from happening, and provoking the FDA.
Blind faith is amazing to me. I defend Primordial with everything, and promote their products because I use and enjoy them (much like you do with NTBM). However, if someone found out that Primordial was lieing about the contents of their products, and it was proven true. I wouldn't attack that person, I would have a new signature.
Patrick Arnold
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