Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad

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nattydisaster said:
Methystenbolone has a MW of 316.47758 according to Chemsketch. Not sure if that means anything though I just felt like using my chemsketch
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close but no cigar lol

anyway, when you do mass spec it does not average like that. it shows the major isotope peak followed by the minor ones that give it those decimal digits. its the major isotope that is quoted as the M+. its a clear integer
 
nattydisaster said:
I want to know how these hangouts go down...drinkin beers talking about chemicals and lead devices lol. Jock nerds
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i had a particularly nerdy nite. first the lead guy. then another chemist who has gotten into the same field as i am in with the prohormone **** and whatnot. its alot more fun talking to the dumb****s on these boards!!!
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i just hung with the lead device guy. he told me that 15 ppb was the epa
safety threshold for lead in drinking water. if you saw my calculations earlier you will see clearly that the amount anyone could realistically get from these caps is well below what you get in a day of water

the guy was part of a team that utilized dna fragements that had affinity for lead. very specific affinity. they labeled them with fluorophores. that means that when the fragments encounter lead and bind they change confirmation and a fluouresence emission is released. my friend worked on the detector and minituriazation of the apparatus. i think it detects down to four ppb or something. which is below current detectablity. and is also immediate and not having to be sent out. the fact that you said "4" is kinda scary. was that a guess?
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Ahhh, sounds interesting...I am a tech head first and foremost, masters/engineering so I am always lending my ear when I hear something from that arena...the 4 wasn't a guess, it was just a reference to another post somewhere in this thread.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
these substances were there at very low levels.

i have a story. a chemist had an instrument designed to detect chemicals at parts per trillion. he took some carpet fibers and extracted whatever was attached to them with solvent. he concentrated it down (part of the means by which he could detect ppt) and tested it. he found about 20,000 chemicals.

i have more stories. if you want i can tell them. but bottom line is you should not give a damn about impurities unless they are physiologically significant
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Yes, this is true...I am aware of what you are stating.

My whole issue here is that if these substances were found, what might show up if 10 bottles were tested, or 100 bottles...
 
Wow this thread has really gotten out of hand. Way too many insults and bashing.

I have several things I wanna say. First ibe has been known to be shady so the OPs rep does cause me to take things she says with a slight grain of salt.

Results are results and this is very interesting. I will following this thread and hopefully someone not associated with either company will send another bottle out for another test. I hope the product is as specified since I bought 2 bottles and 2 more are still owed to me due to a shipping error.

Nate as always you handle your business well and I have no doubt you will fix thr situation with refunds if further testing proves that you were in fact slighted by manufactures.

Now you said that you(Nate) and need 2 are not associated with mr supps well your reps would beg to differ since they pimp beast, hella ect. In fact they are out in charge by you to pick there logs for mr sups. So even if you may not own them on paper please don't deny your association goes a little bit further than a former owner. In fact you seem more like a head rep for mr sups.

I hope all the need2 reps learn a lesson from all this. Many of you guys come in bashing m drol or others, and evey last one of you makes claims of how much better your product is. Even when someone says they don't wanna spend the monu for beastdrol they still get attacked with they need to beastdrol since no other sd compares. Give me a break a clone is a clone end of story. I hope you now see how nasty this industry is, a supplier can rip off a manufacturer, people can claim anything and make threads filled with lies to promote an idea. And guess what the outcome is????!!!!!!



All m drol is bunk histeria dispite the fact that it's nearly 100% legit. So stop pimping and be more like Nate as he is beyond humble and always respectful.

I hope for rls sake the product gets verified so we can allstop the drama and be freinds again.
 
Messor said:
This post and the credibility of these lab results are laughable. There are some people on this forum with their own hidden agendas and their desperation to discredit the product, and certain individuals/companies, has been obvious since the product was released. Others may just be bitter because of their own company's failures. Either way, the results of the logs speak for themselves, and the one making the videos has been showing how much he's lifting. Or is the next hit piece gonna claim that he's using hollow fake weight plates to make it look like he's lifting more? lol
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Thats what I said with out the video part. Yep using hollow fake weight plate all this time, no wounder im not gaining the muscle I want. For the last few days I thought it was because I DIDNT buy the monsterdrol LOL
HereToStudy said:
I am not taking sides or making a judgement on anything contained within the OP's post. I will leave that to NTBM to defend or ignore, and hopefully Nathan himself will respond.
However, I would like to clear up a few things that I think are being portrayed inaccurately or are deceiving:
3.)These 2-3 post wonders surely are shill accounts. Like I said, I have not passed judgement on the OP's information, but having a bunch of people come in here with 1-5 post counts with signatures that read "I NEED SOME N2KTS" or "BETTER PROBARS ARE AWESOME" really discredits the defense. If you don't know what I am talking about, check out users like "Uncle Cool" which can be found in the other thread.
Again, this is not taking sides, or arguing against NTBM. Hopefully Nathan can come in here and clear up some information.
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SORRY MR. You picked the wrong person to call a post wonder. I DO NOT have ties to N2BM, I am NOT a REP, NOT a PAYED EMPLOYEE of N2BM either. My signature is based on my preference, I do like the products I list & think that their true. I am unemployed so If any company want to send me free products I will try them & if I like them I will change my signature to list that product. I have to like it & it must work. Yes their are a few names here that I would think is someone else, Im not one of them. I am only recently back to fitness after many years away due to stupidness on my part. A friend got me back into it, he lets me use his N2KTS(works for me)when we lift together. He also gets his protein there & spits W/me & also gets me a bag or 2 of the BETTER PROTEIN-BARS(I really do bet you cant have just one) when he orders from there. I only know the company threw my friends word of mouth & thats one of the ways to build a reputation. People at the gym we go to seem to like his products also. From what I here of him, hes true to his word. Hearing that, I dont think he would knowingly ruin his reputation. I for one would & have no problem ordering from him or any company he is apart of.If you do, thats your problem & loss I guess. If you think I am someone else feel free to PM me I will PM you back with my phone # or anything else you may want to prove I have NO TIES TO N2BM.
I know its not the right thread but NEED2 can I please have a N2KTS
 
hardknock said:
Honestly, with due respect, I would have like to know why 3 products are in the mixture but not on the label...cross contamination or deliberate?
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If you look at how many of the hormones are created, they start from a base hormone and then use catalytic and other chemical actions to change the structure. Like with most catalytic actions its not 100% conversion. So then additional steps are taken to either convert more or purify the results.

And I wish I was more of a chemist so I could explain better. But it doesn't even have to be cross contamination or deliberate, it could simply be a less than perfect purification process after the catalytic action(s).
 
EasyEJL said:
If you look at how many of the hormones are created, they start from a base hormone and then use catalytic and other chemical actions to change the structure. Like with most catalytic actions its not 100% conversion. So then additional steps are taken to either convert more or purify the results.

And I wish I was more of a chemist so I could explain better. But it doesn't even have to be cross contamination or deliberate, it could simply be a less than perfect purification process after the catalytic action(s).
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Yes, i do remember now. The last portion of what you mentioned did come up as a possible explanation a few times in the old arguments about CEL/IBE/ALRI ( i think but not sure) and a few others that I have long since forgotten...
 
ZamaMan said:
First ibe has been known to be shady so the OPs rep does cause me to take things she says with a slight grain of salt.
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TheWriting said:
Another note about me announcing my name in this post, is that I have nothing to hide. I was a previous owner of IBE and as everyone here knows, we recently sold our company.
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Australian made said:
It was made very clear this chick and her husband no longer own IBE.
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There is no longer any affiliation between the OP (Natalie) and IBE. Plus, IBE and their products are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
 
hoopem6 said:
There is no longer any affiliation between the OP (Natalie) and IBE. Plus, IBE and their products are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Duh I can read but it allows us to look back at the quality of person and deceide from there. I know she doesn't own ibe anymore, doesn't matter.
 
Okay I got some sleep and am not grumpy anymore. Lol.

Hopefully my post didn't come off as attacking. I was not refferancing unreal persay with the comment about reps talking bad about m drol. Since i do know that he was not a rep when he tried it.

the point was more geared toward the mass of reps that you cant come in an throw negitive opinons(that's the price you pay for being a rep), warranted or not btw, because of the lesson this shows us. That even someone as great as Nate get quality called into question sometimes.

So I wasn't singling any one rep out, it was more about the over the top pushy "our product is only thing you should buy and is way better than everyone elses" additude. I just thought this would be a nice time for us all to take a lesson
 
ZamaMan said:
Duh I can read but it allows us to look back at the quality of person and deceide from there. I know she doesn't own ibe anymore, doesn't matter.
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Again, questioning a person's character or "quality" does not change the outcome of the lab results in question.
 
My second paragraph of original post stated the same thing. Inwas in no way question the results of the lab, I even said that. I just take her other coments with a grain of salt that's all.


On another note. Did PA ever say wether he believes the test was done correctly. Most people on here have said there's no standard for testing this particular compound but PA is really the one who we want to chime in here.

So PA would the lab have been able to identify this compound if it is in the bottle?
 
ZamaMan said:
My second paragraph of original post stated the same thing. Inwas in no way question the results of the lab, I even said that. I just take her other coments with a grain of salt that's all.


On another note. Did PA ever say wether he believes the test was done correctly. Most people on here have said there's no standard for testing this particular compound but PA is really the one who we want to chime in here.

So PA would the lab have been able to identify this compound if it is in the bottle?
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the question is if there is no standard then that proves said company never tested the compound in question so they really have no clue whats in it or they are playing dumb and it actually contains other items not listed and they were hoping with the limited run no one would use common sense and question what they were really taking.

otherwise they would easily be am to have their in house chemist explain the process .seems they might have been banking on the supplier to be up front and honest which I'm sure guys lilke patrick and others know is a recipe for disaster.

I'd also like to note these are just thoughts
 
hardknock said:
Yes, this is true...I am aware of what you are stating.

My whole issue here is that if these substances were found, what might show up if 10 bottles were tested, or 100 bottles...
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i would expect you would find the same impurities at the same levels in all the bottles

unless they did a horrible job blending the batch, which is another problem altogether
 
EasyEJL said:
If you look at how many of the hormones are created, they start from a base hormone and then use catalytic and other chemical actions to change the structure. Like with most catalytic actions its not 100% conversion. So then additional steps are taken to either convert more or purify the results.

And I wish I was more of a chemist so I could explain better. But it doesn't even have to be cross contamination or deliberate, it could simply be a less than perfect purification process after the catalytic action(s).
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However neither caffeine, superdrol, nor dhea are used in the process to make the cyano compound. So the contamination is probably from the manufacturer not cleaning his blending/ encapsulation machinery between batches properly
 
Patrick Arnold said:
However neither caffeine, superdrol, nor dhea are used in the process to make the cyano compound. So the contamination is probably from the manufacturer not cleaning his blending/ encapsulation machinery between batches properly
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Which would lead one to believe that not all bottles will have these things(at least in the same quantities). which brings on the next question: could other bottles have higher levels?
 
ZamaMan said:
Okay I got some sleep and am not grumpy anymore. Lol.

Hopefully my post didn't come off as attacking. I was not refferancing unreal persay with the comment about reps talking bad about m drol. Since i do know that he was not a rep when he tried it.

the point was more geared toward the mass of reps that you cant come in an throw negitive opinons(that's the price you pay for being a rep), warranted or not btw, because of the lesson this shows us. That even someone as great as Nate get quality called into question sometimes.

So I wasn't singling any one rep out, it was more about the over the top pushy "our product is only thing you should buy and is way better than everyone elses" additude. I just thought this would be a nice time for us all to take a lesson
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so who is the scientist formulator guru or whoever that makes these wonderful products from ntbm? why should i buy their products over someone elses?

p.s. Nate being a swell guy is not enough of a reason
 
xFRACTION said:
Which would lead one to believe that not all bottles will have these things(at least in the same quantities). which brings on the next question: could other bottles have higher levels?
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if this is the case... my MALICIOUS MASS bottles might have a little monsterdrol in it as well (if the MM was put together right after the monsterdrol)

anyone want to buy some malicious monsterdrol mess? lol
Freudian slip... i meant mass
 
UNCLE COOL said:
SORRY MR. You picked the wrong person to call a post wonder. I DO NOT have ties to N2BM, I am NOT a REP, NOT a PAYED EMPLOYEE of N2BM either.
NO TIES TO N2BM.
I know its not the right thread but NEED2 can I please have a N2KTS
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November 2010 Join Date.
21 Posts.
19 of them Need2 Related.
Blind faith to a company from someone "just back in the game"
Excuse me if this doesn't add up in correlation with your story.

Maybe I am wrong, Wouldn't be the first time, but very very rarely will a new member be so dedicated to the pursuit of promoting a company as you are. Either way, it is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

I for one would & have no problem ordering from him or any company he is apart of.If you do, thats your problem & loss I guess.
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Again, for the record, I never stated I wouldn't use a Need2 product, or had anything against Nathan. My post was regarding the abundance of non-affiliated new members that seem to be overly excited to talk about Need2 lately. Hint: It appears a couple of them were caught and banned (One who was long suspected to be a previously banned AM member).
 
muscl3s said:
if this is the case... my MALICIOUS MASS bottles might have a little monsterdrol in it as well (if the MM was put together right after the monsterdrol)

anyone want to buy some malicious monsterdrol mess? lol
Freudian slip... i meant mass
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Definite possibility I suppose. I hope we get some more test results soon.
 
ZamaMan said:
My second paragraph of original post stated the same thing. Inwas in no way question the results of the lab, I even said that. I just take her other coments with a grain of salt that's all.


On another note. Did PA ever say wether he believes the test was done correctly. Most people on here have said there's no standard for testing this particular compound but PA is really the one who we want to chime in here.

So PA would the lab have been able to identify this compound if it is in the bottle?
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i just noticed something i think in that chromatogram. it was hard to see but it appears that the M+ = 317 peak is a relatively large peak in the chromatogram compared to the other ones. That indicates that it could be the intended main ingredient.

the cyano compound has a molecular weight of 313. So what could give 317? Four more hydrogen atoms. Perhaps the cyano triple bond is hydrogenated to a single bond. That would give 2-aminomethylene DMT. I dont have my vida tables with me but maybe this is an active AAS
 
Very interesting! Look foward to hearing more. I'll be running a monsterdrol cycle in a few months and dispite all this I'm still excited.

here ts makes a good point. I've too seen people who seem like reps without the tag in the sig. I could see why someone would want to not put that they are a rep for any company due to fact that reps opinons often don't hold as much weight as an non reps opinon if they have equal reputations mind you. However if there are any reps need2 or other companies you need the tag in your sig. It's dishonest not too give full disclosure.

Is Killer Kanadia a rep?
 
HereToStudy said:
November 2010 Join Date.
21 Posts.
19 of them Need2 Related.
Blind faith to a company from someone "just back in the game"
Excuse me if this doesn't add up in correlation with your story.

Maybe I am wrong, Wouldn't be the first time, but very very rarely will a new member be so dedicated to the pursuit of promoting a company as you are. Either way, it is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.



Again, for the record, I never stated I wouldn't use a Need2 product, or had anything against Nathan. My post was regarding the abundance of non-affiliated new members that seem to be overly excited to talk about Need2 lately. Hint: It appears a couple of them were caught and banned (One who was long suspected to be a previously banned AM member).
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by the same token.....the wife of the owner of IBE is the one that is doing these reports. Seems funny when speaking of bias
 
well ,i'm really dont know yet if i'm pissed or not ! did i get scammed with a bogus product again or not ! is cyano/dhb really in there or not ! is there some other steroid in there(oh yea)or not !well i hope this gets resolved by nate ! but according to the lab report it doesn''t look good !hopefully he'll remanufacture a new product with the intended chems. in it and reimburse new product or refund orders of monsterdrol-xt if it is definatly found to have no actives (cyan/dhb) in the produt.as for impurities,there in everything .especially these kind of products.
 
HTS why r u here bro?

I KNOW WHY TO SLANDER NTBM!!!


LOL JK JK

just bustin ur chops


look i dont know whats in thiso bviously need2 made a mistake- am i still a dedicated customer- hell yes, would i like an explination-hell yes

do i think PA may have found a fully active AAS in the form of DMT- quite possibly hell yes
am i still going to buy n2kts,formastanzol, need2slin and some other ish- hell yes


am i done now? Hell yes
 
WATERLOGGED said:
well ,i'm really dont know yet if i'm pissed or not ! did i get scammed with a bogus product again or not ! is cyano/dhb really in there or not ! is there some other steroid in there(oh yea)or not .
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if natalie can get the actual mass spectrum for the 317 peak from RTP then i can tell if its a steroid or not. steroids have three major fragment peaks which are telltale. plus, if there is a fragment of 31 then that is a strong indicator that this is the aminomethylene compound i suspect it is


or someone can just send me some caps and i can look for myself
 
Patrick Arnold said:
if natalie can get the actual mass spectrum for the 317 peak from RTP then i can tell if its a steroid or not. steroids have three major fragment peaks which are telltale. plus, if there is a fragment of 31 then that is a strong indicator that this is the aminomethylene compound i suspect it is


or someone can just send me some caps and i can look for myself
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Someone get on this and send the man some caps, this way we get an honest unbias no agenda test result. I hold PA's word a lot higher than lots of others out there. I logged on today thinking i was done with this thread but its like a car crash you just can't keep from watching.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
if natalie can get the actual mass spectrum for the 317 peak from RTP then i can tell if its a steroid or not. steroids have three major fragment peaks which are telltale. plus, if there is a fragment of 31 then that is a strong indicator that this is the aminomethylene compound i suspect it is


or someone can just send me some caps and i can look for myself
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I'd love to end this whole debate since it's perhaps alot unwaranted bad publicity for rls.

You pm me your address and I'll send you a couple caps. Wouldn't be by offical chains though. Especially since I wouldn't be willing to part with the whole bottle since I still believe it's good. But if you wanna look yourself tell me how many caps I need to send.
 
PrepNwa23 said:
Someone get on this and send the man some caps, this way we get an honest unbias no agenda test result. I hold PA's word a lot higher than lots of others out there. I logged on today thinking i was done with this thread but its like a car crash you just can't keep from watching.
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i am involved in a couple of supplement lines so one could say i have potential for bias. in the case of these caps though i have no reason to wish any particular results.

although it would be nice if my hypothesis is right cuz then i will look smart
 
Got it. Will send them out in an hour on way to gym. You should have them by mid next week.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i am involved in a couple of supplement lines so one could say i have potential for bias. in the case of these caps though i have no reason to wish any particular results.

although it would be nice if my hypothesis is right cuz then i will look smart
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This is true but i was more or less saying you have no gain with the results of what you find in these caps considering you don't deal with prohormones in your supplement line.
 
PrepNwa23 said:
This is true but i was more or less saying you have no gain with the results of what you find in these caps considering you don't deal with prohormones in your supplement line.
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true, except for one exception


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schwellington said:
lab tests- worthless- until you have a standard to measure 2 cyano pheraphelx against this means nothing-at all
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That's false.
I've run numerous tests for numerous things from steroids to stims; NMR, MS, GC, etc. You can figure it out without a standard.
 
ZamaMan said:
I'd love to end this whole debate since it's perhaps alot unwaranted bad publicity for rls.

You pm me your address and I'll send you a couple caps. Wouldn't be by offical chains though. Especially since I wouldn't be willing to part with the whole bottle since I still believe it's good. But if you wanna look yourself tell me how many caps I need to send.
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lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
 
mw1 said:
lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
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exactly... what is PA thinking
 
mw1 said:
lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
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It's only worthless if it's found bunk cause then in theory I could be sending fake tabs. If the steroid in question is found in the caps than how is that not proof? Anyone who has gotten to know me on any of the forums I'm on knows I'm trustable and have no affiliation with any companies.
 
mw1 said:
lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
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This is not true at all. At very least it lets the 'random person' who sent the items know exactly whats in them. As for whoever else wants to believe the items sent, tester, and results are all factual.. then thats up to them to decide. Far from worthless though... very ****in far.
 
zama get some dbol and sprinkle it in each cap THEN WE WILL PROVE THEM ALLLLLL WRRRRONNNNGGG HAHAHAWQHAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

SUCKERS!
 
mw1 said:
lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
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worthless in a court of law for sure

but if people trust the guy that is sending me the caps, and trust me testing them, then maybe the info will be of interest
 
Patrick Arnold said:
the product did not have the proper chain of custody. the lab must buy it directly from an independent supplier

unless its me testing it. cuz you know i wouldnt lie lol
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yeah... you wouldn't but what about some random person you get it from...
again, sure you're both trustworthy (i guess) but as far as a forum goes... you'll just start another 50 page argument (which will spread to other forums across the net leading them back here to fuel the argument)... in other words, we should just wait for nate.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
worthless in a court of law for sure

but if people trust the guy that is sending me the caps, and trust me testing them, then maybe the info will be of interest
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It would be of interest for sure , but would only raise more questions:bigeyes:
 
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