Patrick Arnold
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And since the CN group is conjugated to a double bond that should make the peak sharper and longer. Should have no trouble seeing it
Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad
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And since the CN group is conjugated to a double bond that should make the peak sharper and longer. Should have no trouble seeing it
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Would be very easy to see. Reminds me of the days of organic lab looking at those things all day. Glad those days are over. You must have a love for chem PA
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
I am not taking sides or making a judgement on anything contained within the OP's post. I will leave that to NTBM to defend or ignore, and hopefully Nathan himself will respond.
However, I would like to clear up a few things that I think are being portrayed inaccurately or are deceiving:
1.) RLS Supplements is a sister company of NTBM. If you guys really want to argue that NTBM has nothing to do with this, and doesn't carry the products, then why are the NTBM reps pushing the RLS supplements so hard? Lets not sidestep the argument.
2.) In future statement to point #1, it is the same reason "NTBM" purchased the rights to sell Dermacrine (as was mentioned before) and it was released as a RLS supplement.
3.)These 2-3 post wonders surely are shill accounts. Like I said, I have not passed judgement on the OP's information, but having a bunch of people come in here with 1-5 post counts with signatures that read "I NEED SOME N2KTS" or "BETTER PROBARS ARE AWESOME" really discredits the defense. If you don't know what I am talking about, check out users like "Uncle Cool" which can be found in the other thread.
4.) Lead may be found in an abundance of different things, but it doesn't mean I would like to take a product that contributes to it quickly. Stating that .13μg is not significant, isn't taking the argument in the appropriate fashion. That is per cap, your serving suggestion is 2-4 caps. At 4 caps, that is ingesting .52μg.
Again, this is not taking sides, or arguing against NTBM. Hopefully Nathan can come in here and clear up some information.
However, I would like to clear up a few things that I think are being portrayed inaccurately or are deceiving:
1.) RLS Supplements is a sister company of NTBM. If you guys really want to argue that NTBM has nothing to do with this, and doesn't carry the products, then why are the NTBM reps pushing the RLS supplements so hard? Lets not sidestep the argument.
2.) In future statement to point #1, it is the same reason "NTBM" purchased the rights to sell Dermacrine (as was mentioned before) and it was released as a RLS supplement.
3.)These 2-3 post wonders surely are shill accounts. Like I said, I have not passed judgement on the OP's information, but having a bunch of people come in here with 1-5 post counts with signatures that read "I NEED SOME N2KTS" or "BETTER PROBARS ARE AWESOME" really discredits the defense. If you don't know what I am talking about, check out users like "Uncle Cool" which can be found in the other thread.
4.) Lead may be found in an abundance of different things, but it doesn't mean I would like to take a product that contributes to it quickly. Stating that .13μg is not significant, isn't taking the argument in the appropriate fashion. That is per cap, your serving suggestion is 2-4 caps. At 4 caps, that is ingesting .52μg.
Again, this is not taking sides, or arguing against NTBM. Hopefully Nathan can come in here and clear up some information.
TheWriting
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Actually the product did have the proper chain of custody....I purchased the bottle during the BOGO sale directly from rlssupplements.com/Orbit nutrition and the bottle was direct shipped to RTP labs. Per, mitbar's post..he has the order sitting in hand where I, Natalie Barton, ordered the product and Orbit Nutrition shipped directly to the lab.
Patrick Arnold
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still well below the amount you probably ingest in a day from the water you drink (not to mention other sources of lead you encounter through the day such as in various foods). And probably about the same amount of lead that is in most products in your health food store.
Patrick Arnold
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Sorry but unless it was purchased by RTP labs directly proper chain of custody was not established. I am not doubting that you are being honest and it is the real bottle but there is a legal standard you have to uphold and it was not.
UnrealMachine
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So you say you tried it and got nothing out of it, then you say no, you sent it directly to the lab?
You name yourself Natalie, a woman, yet you post about your experience on Tren and running PCTs
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Uhm WHAT
Messor
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This post and the credibility of these lab results are laughable. There are some people on this forum with their own hidden agendas and their desperation to discredit the product, and certain individuals/companies, has been obvious since the product was released. Others may just be bitter because of their own company's failures. Either way, the results of the logs speak for themselves, and the one making the videos has been showing how much he's lifting. Or is the next hit piece gonna claim that he's using hollow fake weight plates to make it look like he's lifting more? lol
JayJo
Banned
Patrick Arnold
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you criticize the credibility of the test results and then go on to validate your product by referencing....................LOGS??
Please. And please spare us the victim conspiracy crap. its not making you look good in my eyes or others eyes at all
maybe the OP will try again and this time instruct RTP to order the product directly.
henryv
Active member
The whole production run is sold out I believe.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
LMAO when I called the lab the guy who was speaking to me thought I was a potential customer...
Me: So can I send like 2-3 capsules to test from an opened product?
Lab Rep: Oh yea. We've had people send in anywhere from a full bottle to a few capsules to test.
....Natalie, you are the wife of the owner of IBE correct?
You should have gotten PA to test this for you. At least that would have been credible. The lab you chose has no standards to adhere to whatsoever when accepting samples.
It's safe to say any conclusions based on these labs are inconclusive. We don't know the chain of command from where this Monsterdrol came from and who it hit on it's way to the lab.
Me: So can I send like 2-3 capsules to test from an opened product?
Lab Rep: Oh yea. We've had people send in anywhere from a full bottle to a few capsules to test.
....Natalie, you are the wife of the owner of IBE correct?
You should have gotten PA to test this for you. At least that would have been credible. The lab you chose has no standards to adhere to whatsoever when accepting samples.
It's safe to say any conclusions based on these labs are inconclusive. We don't know the chain of command from where this Monsterdrol came from and who it hit on it's way to the lab.
diablosho
Active member
While I do agree with most of what CM says, and have learned A LOT from him, and by all accounts I really don't know what I'm talking about and just making do with what research I can do, the total lead content does still concern me for the following reasons:
1. Lead has a half-life of 25 days in blood, 40 days in soft-tissues, and up to 10 years in teeth and bones (which may still spread to soft-tissues through blood as soft-tissues & blood levels clear out).
2. As such, by my calculations (not taking into account the rate of elimination), it would take 461 capsules to reach the 60 ug. After considering elimination rates, it seems 600 capsules would do it (which is a little less than 7 full bottles).
3. The instructions say 2-4 caps per day (many people only seem to see the "-4 caps per day" part), so that means 150 servings would do the trick (which equates to 112 servings per 4 week cycle-or 1.5 bottles). Getting pretty close to that 60 ug limit. Now think about all the people out there that would run it until the last .5 of the bottle was gone (68 caps; 180 total).
4. The currently accepted adult blood-lead values are < 25ug (with a biological exposure index (absoulte maximum level) of 30ug/dL). Chelation is automatically implemented @ 45ug-69ug, with hospitalization >69ug<--Wikipedia
4. How much lead is in all of our other supplements (especially protein powders-recall the study done showing HIGH levels of lead in many different brands of protein powders (especially Muscle Milk). And water. And pre-WO drinks.
For all of these reasons, I see an extreme possibility for people to hit that 60ug (even the 80ug). Now I do know that 7 bottles is A LOT even for the retards out there. However, with the extremely long half-lives and clearance time, I think it is unreasonable to not be at least a LITTLE concerned (though I couldn't care less about the Superdrol content-it's not like you didn't expect to be taking something "harsh" in the first place LOL!). I have made it a personal mission of mine to avoid heavy metal poisoning if at all possible LOL! Anywho, I'm not a doctor (or a researcher), and I'm definitely not trying to start an argument with CM-I've learned A LOT from him. I'm sure there is a good explanation out there explaining why this situation is not as dangerous as my research seems to suggest (research studies and government agencies are so biased it's sickening). I would even actually put Monsterdrol-XT in my arsenal had I actually known about the product in time (even "knowing" what we "know" now!) I'm just saying that this lead thing is getting out of hand. It's popping up in everything lately, which makes it so much more dangerous. I am definitely looking forward to responses on the subject, and subbed!
--Brian
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Sorry for the long post, I'm not very good at putting my thoughts on paper (much less debating). Thanks for understanding!:wall:
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
End of discussion right here.
Thank you for your time Natalie, wife of owner of IBE, and thank you for purchasing MDXT.
Have a good day Natalie
TheWriting
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Another note about me announcing my name in this post, is that I have nothing to hide. I was a previous owner of IBE and as everyone here knows, we recently sold our company. PHF bought the company and the IBE name. I no longer own a supplement company. I would keep PHF out of this, from what I am hearing they are well connected so if I were you guys I would leave them alone.
I wanted to test the products from NTBM aka RLS Supplements aka Mr. Supps aka Muscle Research and the list goes on. I have a lot of cash and a lot of time on my hands now and I still have interest in what goes on in the industry and I wanted to test NTBM's product line because I am highly suspect of these guys and there recent actions.
I do know a thing or two now about the importance of maintaining Chain of Custody and other relative testing practices after my own experiences while running IBE in the past. I will maintain the correct practices when exposing their product line. This is not an attack on their company, more so an enlightening and/or awareness to the public of what really is going on behind the scenes.
I know this company is dirty and they spam this board with BS, meanwhile hijacking competitor posts to say the least. I believe so strongly that NTBM is scamming that I have already invested 4000.00 of my own money in testing thier product line. Yes, 4k, which means we have more tests to come and I will post all of my findings whether they are favorable or not.
I wanted to test the products from NTBM aka RLS Supplements aka Mr. Supps aka Muscle Research and the list goes on. I have a lot of cash and a lot of time on my hands now and I still have interest in what goes on in the industry and I wanted to test NTBM's product line because I am highly suspect of these guys and there recent actions.
I do know a thing or two now about the importance of maintaining Chain of Custody and other relative testing practices after my own experiences while running IBE in the past. I will maintain the correct practices when exposing their product line. This is not an attack on their company, more so an enlightening and/or awareness to the public of what really is going on behind the scenes.
I know this company is dirty and they spam this board with BS, meanwhile hijacking competitor posts to say the least. I believe so strongly that NTBM is scamming that I have already invested 4000.00 of my own money in testing thier product line. Yes, 4k, which means we have more tests to come and I will post all of my findings whether they are favorable or not.
TheWriting
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Actually, this is proper chain of custody because the product was sent directly fro the manufacturer to RTP. The individual who called to verify the order was sent directly from their facitlity to RTP labs identified himself as Mitch ****** with Ruthless Supplements/Orbit Nutrition. So PA are you saying that I somehow magically was able to tamper with this bottle while in transit from the only place to purchase Monsterdrol to RTP labs?
mich29
Board Sponsor
Op didn't go about this the right way at all.the correction questions would be is the place they are getting the stuff from testing it first for being pure before shipment or is the actually supplement company testing the stuff once they get it from said place.also if your going to waste your money on getting it tested and post the results you def want to have someone or some place that is respected by users or companies to do the testing otherwise people aren't going to take you seriously.
though I will say I doubt the results are far from some truths.with clones of stuff being able to be made so cheaply or other companies being able to clone stuff once it proves to be an effective suppment it makes doing much R&d pointless.
bottom line research what your taking before hand(the owner,reps,coas,suppliers etc) and accept the risks of it sometimes not being 100% of what its suppose to be.Compaines aren't gong to waste money on r&d on stuff that is def going to not exist in the future.ph/ds compounds are different than the normal stuff out there educated users shouldn't be shocked by stuff like this.this is the nature of the business.
though I will say I doubt the results are far from some truths.with clones of stuff being able to be made so cheaply or other companies being able to clone stuff once it proves to be an effective suppment it makes doing much R&d pointless.
bottom line research what your taking before hand(the owner,reps,coas,suppliers etc) and accept the risks of it sometimes not being 100% of what its suppose to be.Compaines aren't gong to waste money on r&d on stuff that is def going to not exist in the future.ph/ds compounds are different than the normal stuff out there educated users shouldn't be shocked by stuff like this.this is the nature of the business.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
He's not saying that. I think it is plausible as we don't even know if you are telling the truth.
It is obvious the lab you chose has no standards for accepting samples.
You are one shady person with experience with taking tren and PCT's and you are a woman lol. You are one shady, shady person. I don't think it's too far of a plausible theory.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
This is fine and dandy.
I love the new IBE/PHF compounds coming up which were packaged in real anabolic steroid supplier packets (controlled substance packets). Connection there? Only a lab test will show.
EasyEJL
Never enough
skipping that part, there are standards for the other label ingredients that do not show in the results, and the label doesn't list caffeine, superdrol or dhea....
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
Easy you are going to accept ANYTHING from these results after this chain of command business was tampered with by Natalie?
And after this lab desperately wanted me to send 3 capsules of me stating what product they were to test in order to have a customer?
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Honestly, didn't someone from NTBM state (even before Natalie) it was ordered to be delivered directly to the lab? Im sure you guys could give an order slip proving otherwise, and then we can use the argument of who has touched the bottle.
Also the fact that they will take 2-3 capsules should be no suprise to you. As a consumer, I have the right to open a bottle of anything I order, send 2-3 to the lab to verify ingredients before I ingest it.
Im not taking sides here, but the arguments presented prove nothing. Why doesnt someone ring Nathan?
diablosho
Active member
Hey, didn't you guys have a scandal of your own @ IBE (Tren in Epistane for 1 run/DMT instead of Epi--whether it was true or not). Just saying, how did that feel? Did you like the way things were handled/how it started? I know I'm going off of memory (as I can no longer find the link), but didn't you guys ask how to go about getting that lab study showing DMT removed from the INTERNET! The WHOLE INTERNET! Because, as an IBE rep stated, it was "false" and "defamatory". Now who would do that, misleading/falsified lab tests are wrong...! Right! And now, you're doing the SAME EXACT THING to another company. Remember who ended up looking like the JACKASS with your little dealio? I'm just saying! Maybe you should ACT like a professional, and approach these matters a little more tactfully. And don't even give some bull**** about it being for the good of mankind, or whatever. You already expressed your vendetta for N2BM. Props to N2BM reps, I would not have been as professional as you guys! I am really glad you're around!
--Brian
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
They were sent directly from the reseller to the lab according to mitbar. Does he work with you guys?
so are you natalie the wife of the owner of IBE? That is who had them sent and this exact lab called me and told me you had sent them in. You bought it on 11/8 and had it shipped directly to the lab to be tested via your UPS account overnight? Is that what your saying? please elaborate cause i have all the details of the order sitting right in front of me.
Also what compound is 317mw? .5mg of superdrol? yup thats the perfect amount to have someone get gains. lolz at this entire thread. I will put money on it that PHF has controlled substances in there phs. Oh btw PHF is owned by IBE.
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
Ive been reading this joke of a thread since I logged in this morning and these posts say it all. Especially the last one I quoted.
bdcc
Legend
Apparently I must spread reputation around before giving it to EasyEJL again.
It is very easy to pick holes in the OPs post, motive etc etc.
It seems people are focusing on the points easier to argue. It would be more professional (and efficient in shutting the thread down) for them to simply post a sample to PA and keep the flaming to a minimum in the interim.
Nothing keeps critics quiet like results. Leave the emotions out of it and simply test it again.
It is very easy to pick holes in the OPs post, motive etc etc.
It seems people are focusing on the points easier to argue. It would be more professional (and efficient in shutting the thread down) for them to simply post a sample to PA and keep the flaming to a minimum in the interim.
Nothing keeps critics quiet like results. Leave the emotions out of it and simply test it again.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
Well we need some answers because Natalie also said she had them sent into this lab and her personal lab. So the all the product was not DIRECTLY sent to the labs. She obtained them as well to have it tested in here lab too. You guys missed that.
Are you kidding? Yes you have the right to send 3 capsules from an open bottle to a lab... of course you do.
But someone does this and you would accept the results and apply to a whole product? What? When a product is tested, there is standards to adhere to. Just like when a study is done, controls are set so no tampering is done.
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
This sounds like a petty threat... Especially when you just come out and call NTBM a scamming company.
JayJo
Banned
I would say yes... You can try it at least.
Btw. Glycobol is great! I have to buy another bottle from predator.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
Not sure if srs LOL :lol:
EasyEJL
Never enough
And its also quite possible she placed 2 orders. From Mubar's post, the bottle was sent directly to the lab.
That's true in general, but doesn't apply here
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
lol yes it is srys. Been meaning to order then saw your sign and though oh yea thanksgiving is coming early! Thanks
Messor
Member
A) It's not my product, nor am I a rep. The mods can verify my IP and see that I'm not using any proxy servers to pretend to be somebody else.
B) The videos can be seen and show the amount of weight being lifted. How do you discredit that?
C) I never claimed anyone was a victim, since this hit piece is a complete laughable failure to anyone with more than 2 digits in their IQ. Are you saying companies don't try to discredit other companies on these type of forums, and it's all just a conspiracy theory on my part? Bull****. This kind of Co vs Co nonsense has been going on for years.
D) The people on this forum who are NTBM reps are some of the most respected members on this forum and have a posting history to prove it.
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
Use my code brotha as long as you have no hidden agendas (jk-sorry i had to cuz of this thread lol) - but AI is cool by me
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
CM, I hate to say it bro, but you have side stepped every argument presented to you in this thread.
My statement on the 2-3 caps was to prove why the guy would say "Yes you can send me 3 caps, I will test it and send results to you" because they do that as a service to consumers.
In this case, that is not what happened. They had it delivered to the lab, and noted it on the report as sealed and in good condition. Come on.
chocolatemilk
Well-known member
Ok... end of 3 cap story. Let's stick to this.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Maybe I have a 2 digit IQ, or at least didn't sleep in a holiday inn last nite (it was a Marriott courtyard) but how does weights moving prove what ingredients were in a capsule?
EasyEJL
Never enough
Use my code brotha as long as you have no hidden agendas (jk-sorry i had to cuz of this thread lol) - but AI is cool by me
That reminds me, I want to order a container of that transdermal skin tightener/water shedder
mmowry
Board Sponsor
Im just a spectator in all this chaos since but I would like to know the answer also. Ive seen alot of IBE bashing from him in several other threads prior to this thread so Im curious .If he is affiated with NTBM or one of the sister companies that should be made clear or else threres shadiness going in all directions. If he has all the info he claims then there is no plauseable way thaT he isnt associated with NTBM is some way shape or form. If he doesnt then its just schilling. Doesnt look good either way.
Carry on,
TheWriting
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Ok, I asked the lab to revise the report so as to reflect the shipping and receiving of the sample as well and this report includes the chromatagrams for any chemists who may be interested in taking a peak here.
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BigNasty
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That would require them to admit fault which they won't do. They won't even admit a business relationship between all four companies. If you don't have a relationship then why was Nathan giving away 100 tubs of N2kts? Why was dermacrine licensed to NTBM and then sold by RLS. Why do NTBM reps pimp RLS & Mr. Supps as well. It wouldn't even be an issue you the reps didn't blatantly play dumb and say "we don't know anything about RLS and we aren't affiliated".
Please don't insult us.
Messor
Member
I mentioned the amount of weight being moved in the video as proof of what was being typed in that log regarding the amounts being lifted.
The 2 digit IQ comment was directed towards anyone who trusts those lab results. So it's two different things and I don't believe there was any insult directed at you.
TheWriting
New member
NTBM supposedly sold their hormonal product line to Mr. Supps but they still promote the product as their own.
NTBM opens a new company Ruthless to sell their 2 newest hormonal products, Malicious and Monsterdrol but they still promote the product as their own.
Muslce Research and Mr. Supps same graphical logo same people....need I say more.
Don't worry we have the following products in testing as we speak:
Malicious Mass - NTBM/Ruthless Supplements (results back by end of day or monday)
N2KTS - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back early next week)
Beastdrol - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)
Helladrol - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)
Dieslebolan - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)
Any others? Phytoserms is looking good to test next..
Young Gotti
Well-known member
reading this thread and not getting any work done....this is great
anyway i don't know for sure but i'm thinking the companies are set up seperate for a reason...which is a smart idea
someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i think the companies are set up different because if the FDA raids or cracks down on the PH industry again it won't harm the NTBM label...and at that time the other two companies may be easier to get rid of the product or shut the company down all together...same owner but probably registered as all seperate companies oooorr which i have no idea...it could be same owner that may have different partners for each which leads to the different labels
anyway i don't know for sure but i'm thinking the companies are set up seperate for a reason...which is a smart idea
someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i think the companies are set up different because if the FDA raids or cracks down on the PH industry again it won't harm the NTBM label...and at that time the other two companies may be easier to get rid of the product or shut the company down all together...same owner but probably registered as all seperate companies oooorr which i have no idea...it could be same owner that may have different partners for each which leads to the different labels
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