Fug this is almost hard to read with you guys all jacked up and me struggling, thank God for N2KTS....
You should be on some HRT brother!Fug this is almost hard to read with you guys all jacked up and me struggling, thank God for N2KTS....
Might go get tested but I am thinking I won't show low test...maybe you never know...You should be on some HRT brother!
Yeh man, I'm trying not to let my looseness with my diet get away with me too much. Diet has been on target for the most part outside of the last couple weekends. The plan is to tighten those up like planned and get back on course. I am starting to think I have gained some bodyfat looking at some of my pics, but it isn't much. I would guess I'm probably closer to 9% now. I need to check with calipers and see where I'm at. As always, thanks firedevil the advice!Rick doing great and thanks for the compliments. Trust me don't let the relaxation take over on the grub. A mm a week on a skin fold is not to noticeable in the mirror but after a few weeks it shows up and you are like FUG! I got a little farther than I should have been by "over relaxing" and am cleaning it up. If you want to add cals do it on your build days and ALWAYS keep your burn days burn days. Even if only moderate burn days. I am cleaning up alright now but it is frustrating to have gone from 7 to now 10-ish over a 5 week period and trust me 10% looks pretty chubby after being 7. Maybe not to others but to me. I know you would feel the same way.
CYCLE DAY 17
The cardio coupled with the low carbs and clean eating yesterday made an impact on cleaning things up for me, but not as much as I had hoped. Not a big deal, just hard to compete with the bloat and water retention on this cycle.
Today's workout went incredible and I hit some very nice PRs despite my triceps being a little taxed from my shoulder work a couple days ago. Strength is coming on very strong right now, and the EPI hasn't even kicked in yet!! So far its all diesel...:sgrin:
Chest/triceps
BB flat bench
135x15 (warmup)
225x12 (PR)
245x8 (PR)
265x5 (PR)
245x7
225x10
205x12
Incline DB press
80sx12 (PR)
85sx10x9 (PR)
80sx10
Cable flyes
80x11
90x9
85x10
80x10
Decline bench machine
180x12
225x9x8
Skullcrushers
85x10
95x9x8
Cable pushdowns (V bar)
120x10x9
110x10
Triceps machine (reverse preachers)
180x10
190x10x9
Feeling like killing some food today, so I think I will. It will probably be around a 4k Cal day after I'm done :food:
Yah I remember my first cycle last year of EPI and I was gaining like crazy and looked much better over all and really seemed to be getting away with loose eating. Then it all seemed to catch up to me after PCT....Yeh man, I'm trying not to let my looseness with my diet get away with me too much. Diet has been on target for the most part outside of the last couple weekends. The plan is to tighten those up like planned and get back on course. I am starting to think I have gained some bodyfat looking at some of my pics, but it isn't much. I would guess I'm probably closer to 9% now. I need to check with calipers and see where I'm at. As always, thanks firedevil the advice!
Yah I remember my first cycle last year of EPI and I was gaining like crazy and looked much better over all and really seemed to be getting away with loose eating. Then it all seemed to catch up to me after PCT....
Cycling does supply the opportunity to add extra calories without gaining any fat but I think it is best to know how much extra you are eating to you can control the additional intake and try to stick to it. You should be able to go above recomp just monitor it.Yeh, I have been very loose with my eating, and probably a little too much. I think it probably is time to tighten it up some. I'm going to go back to my recomp ranges that I used before cycle which is 2800-3k build/1800-2k burn so hopefully that will clean things up a bit by the end of this cycle. The last couple weeks I may also drop the 4th build day I added in and trade that for a burn day to capitalize on these anabolics and have some lower cals those final 2 weeks to try and drop some bodyfat before entering PCT to maintain.
Very true. I do want to make the most of this cycle, but don't want to lose unacceptable ground on bodyfat in the process. I do need to just be sensible with my eating for the durationCycling does supply the opportunity to add extra calories without gaining any fat but I think it is best to know how much extra you are eating to you can control the additional intake and try to stick to it. You should be able to go above recomp just monitor it.
You can use stuff for cutting like EPI-V and it will really get you lean and hard with maintained size. I would use something like this to peak. It's sweet while you have the lean, dry look but it's pretty tough to maintain afterwards just like all hardening DHT supps. S-4 might do the trick I just found I was never as hard as when I was on EPI-V...Very true. I do want to make the most of this cycle, but don't want to lose unacceptable ground on bodyfat in the process. I do need to just be sensible with my eating for the duration
I think I am going to take a break from the big suppressive and toxic cycles after this one for about 4-5 months until I do a shredding up cycle when beach weather returns.
In between end of PCT and then I am planning an 8 week recomp with SARMS Ostarine and S-4 that should be pretty sweet! :sgrin:
Sounds like EPI-V might be something I throw into that run with the SARMs. I remember what you, Chris, Jeff, and Scotty said about it, so I have no doubt that it will dry you and lean you out greatYou can use stuff for cutting like EPI-V and it will really get you lean and hard with maintained size. I would use something like this to peak. It's sweet while you have the lean, dry look but it's pretty tough to maintain afterwards just like all hardening DHT supps. S-4 might do the trick I just found I was never as hard as when I was on EPI-V...
Yeh man, I think the run with SARMS will be nice. No supports needed, no toxicity, no BP issues or lethargy, minimal suppression, and easily kept and maintained gains.Rick those SARMS will treat you nicely. SO much more user friendly than the PH's in my opinion. As far as being able to eat looser on, that is for sure. I didn't go too crazy on my diet or anything but with normal but sub optimal testosterone ranges and not lowering calories during that time so I wouldn't lose size I softened up a bit. Like I said I am very picky about my self and what most people would love to look like I see in my pics and go Damn It What Happened?!?!?!
It is funny because when I am that lean I don't think I am that lean until I am looking back on it and going damn I was pretty lean then. I was looking at a video I took of myself in September when i thought I wasn't very lean at the time. However I thought to myself damn I was pretty lean when I watch it the other day... Maybe that means I am leaner now than I think. LMAO! Not likely.
yea I was looking at my old pics when I was pushing down to 80kgs... (about 18lbs lighter than I am now), and I am like... DAMN I was lean. I was also really over dieted. But anyway, I feel ya. During that time I never thought I was that lean. (Though I really wasn't).Yeh man, I think the run with SARMS will be nice. No supports needed, no toxicity, no BP issues or lethargy, minimal suppression, and easily kept and maintained gains.
I understand completely about never thinking you are as lean as you really are. When I was under 8% I didn't feel that lean either, now when I look at the pics from then I'm like "wow, I really was lean and ripped there" Its just a mental thing that we are always our worst critics and we are the last person to give ourselves compliments.....so yes Kleen, you are much leaner than you think!!
yea I was looking at my old pics when I was pushing down to 80kgs... (about 18lbs lighter than I am now), and I am like... DAMN I was lean. I was also really over dieted. But anyway, I feel ya. During that time I never thought I was that lean. (Though I really wasn't).
SARMs are pretty scary though... S4 with the whole vision thing. Though it does seem to put things in scope since the new PP stuff is as much as the SARMs are....
I feel ya there. I have gained a total of 7-8 lbs on this cycle so far and I was looking pretty puffy myself, but over just the last few days a little of that puffiness is gone and I look a tad bit leaner. Abs are looking a little better than they was and vasculrity is way up. I think this is possibly from the Epi getting added in and me dropping some water. Surprisingly weight has remained exactly the same for about a good week or more now, but I appear to be dropping some of the water and getting strong as hell. It tells me that maybe I am adding in some muscle at the same rate I dropped the water. I do look bigger over the last few days too, so it makes sense to me.Yah I have gained about 6 or 7 lbs since the contest and I look so puffy to myself. I am holding some extra water though, too many carbs in my diet still but I am managing to keep my weight down.
Yah your gains are all good on cycle though... mine are to be expected as well, could have been much worse...The vision sides were not that bad at all for me the last time I ran S-4, and I ran it at 50mg every day. The next time I run it I will do 50mg 5 on, 2 off like a lot of people do to control those vision issues to see how that does. S-4 really stripped the fat off of me and the strength on it is excellent, so I really enjoyed running it. Ive got 2 bottles of S-4 and 2 bottles of Osta, so I have plenty :sgrin:
I feel ya there. I have gained a total of 7-8 lbs on this cycle so far and I was looking pretty puffy myself, but over just the last few days a little of that puffiness is gone and I look a tad bit leaner. Abs are looking a little better than they was and vasculrity is way up. I think this is possibly from the Epi getting added in and me dropping some water. Surprisingly weight has remained exactly the same for about a good week or more now, but I appear to be dropping some of the water and getting strong as hell. It tells me that maybe I am adding in some muscle at the same rate I dropped the water. I do look bigger over the last few days too, so it makes sense to me.
Yeh I'm only a couple lbs away from hitting my 10 lb goal and not even halfway through the cycle, so I can't complainYah your gains are all good on cycle though... mine are to be expected as well, could have been much worse...
Looks like no diaper dance for you then. Lol lets hope you keep it on until xmas.Yeh I'm only a couple lbs away from hitting my 10 lb goal and not even halfway through the cycle, so I can't complain
WTG man! If these products I'm supposed to log dont come quick I might go crazy hearing about all these successful cycles and I'm sitting on everything I need for my next one now!!!!! Why did I do this to myself!!!! Once again glad to hear you have had a great run not even half way through! :You_Rock_Emoticon:Yeh I'm only a couple lbs away from hitting my 10 lb goal and not even halfway through the cycle, so I can't complain
I don't know that I will keep all the weight by Christmas. Some water will drop at some point, but that's ok. I didn't say when I would add 10 lbs to my frame and how long I would have it....just that I would BY Christmas!Looks like no diaper dance for you then. Lol lets hope you keep it on until xmas.
LolI don't know that I will keep all the weight by Christmas. Some water will drop at some point, but that's ok. I didn't say when I would add 10 lbs to my frame and how long I would have it....just that I would BY Christmas!
So no diaper for RickRock! :nana:
Look at those pr's :yikes:CYCLE DAY 19
Solid workout this morning. Looked huge and more defined. Its nice dropping some of the bloat. Lifts were up and hot more PRs.
Everything is going great!
Shoulders/Legs
Smith military
180x10
200x8 (PR)
190x9 (PR)
180x10x9
Behind neck Smith press
140x10x10x9x9
Cable upright rows
190x10
200x10 (PR)
205x9 (PR)
190x10
Shrugs
270x10
250x10
230x10
Cable lateral raise
140x10x10x10
Squats
135x15
225x12
245x10
275x8
245x10x10
225x10
Leg extensions
170x10x10x9x9
Leg press
10 platesx12x12x11x10
Now Now the title says for Christmas doesn't say for the first day Chanakau, Kwanza or any other day before the 25th... Better gain 15 if you think you gonna lose 5 in water... Just sayin... I got my eye on you Mister! :bigeyes:I don't know that I will keep all the weight by Christmas. Some water will drop at some point, but that's ok. I didn't say when I would add 10 lbs to my frame and how long I would have it....just that I would BY Christmas!
So no diaper for RickRock! :nana:
Yeah man he is on like Donkey Kong up in here!Look at those pr's :yikes:
Big Papa Kleen is watching @.@!Now Now the title says for Christmas doesn't say for the first day Chanakau, Kwanza or any other day before the 25th... Better gain 15 if you think you gonna lose 5 in water... Just sayin... I got my eye on you Mister! :bigeyes:
I work around lawyers all day, you aren't "loopholing" your way out of this.
Yeah man he is on like Donkey Kong up in here!
Rick lets see some pics this weekend with all the visible changes you are seeing it is time for a progress shot.
Trust me I am not losing as fast as I want and I am starting to worry myself. I KNOW nobody is gonna let me off on a technicality...Big Papa Kleen is watching @.@!
Damn man, now you come in here and bust my balls...lol. Now I'm truly scared, because I don't know that I can be 175 with ABS by Christmas. I know I can be one or the other, but both......I dunno. Only thing I know for certain is that I am not wearing a diaper under any circumstances whatsoever....so I guess I better get to work!!Now Now the title says for Christmas doesn't say for the first day Chanakau, Kwanza or any other day before the 25th... Better gain 15 if you think you gonna lose 5 in water... Just sayin... I got my eye on you Mister! :bigeyes:
I work around lawyers all day, you aren't "loopholing" your way out of this.
Yeah man he is on like Donkey Kong up in here!
Rick lets see some pics this weekend with all the visible changes you are seeing it is time for a progress shot.
Damn man, now you come in here and bust my balls...lol. Now I'm truly scared, because I don't know that I can be 175 with ABS by Christmas. I know I can be one or the other, but both......I dunno. Only thing I know for certain is that I am not wearing a diaper under any circumstances whatsoever....so I guess I better get to work!!
BRB.... ordering Test E, deca, Tren ace, masteron, and some winstrol :run:
(J/k)
Right, you couldn't fail with that. I have no doubt you can do it Rick. Trust me I am in panic mode right now myself and it is what 6 weeks away. But now I look at those damn pics and I was pretty fuggin lean! WTF was i thinking putting up pics I was going to be as lean as. I can't refute that kind of comparison or even massage it... I have to actually DIET DAMN IT!Damn man, now you come in here and bust my balls...lol. Now I'm truly scared, because I don't know that I can be 175 with ABS by Christmas. I know I can be one or the other, but both......I dunno. Only thing I know for certain is that I am not wearing a diaper under any circumstances whatsoever....so I guess I better get to work!!
BRB.... ordering Test E, deca, Tren ace, masteron, and some winstrol :run:
(J/k)
Well I will keep pushing bro, and I WILL NOT FAIL!! Looks like I'm not cutting Cal's too much if at all unless I really start to see the ABS fade. The primary focus right now is to put on the mass and get to 179-180, so that if I drop 5 pounds coming into PCT I'm still safe at 175Right, you couldn't fail with that. I have no doubt you can do it Rick. Trust me I am in panic mode right now myself and it is what 6 weeks away. But now I look at those damn pics and I was pretty fuggin lean! WTF was i thinking putting up pics I was going to be as lean as. I can't refute that kind of comparison or even massage it... I have to actually DIET DAMN IT!
Is there some kind of bet with a diaper going on? LOL
Oh man my GFs birthday was yesterday, but I some how managed to escape that torment. Glad it wasn't bad because I'm probably not in the clear yet LOL!I went to the premier of breaking dawn for my girlfriends birthday. Hopefully I don't lose any masculinity but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Have fun and keep killing it.
I went to the premier of breaking dawn for my girlfriends birthday. Hopefully I don't lose any masculinity but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Have fun and keep killing it.
The movie actually wasnt terrible, and I mad it through unscathed...lol. I am however glad its over.Oh man my GFs birthday was yesterday, but I some how managed to escape that torment. Glad it wasn't bad because I'm probably not in the clear yet LOL!
I'm calling bs on the movie not being terrible!!!! It got smashed by critics so how the hell did you not mind it!!!The movie actually wasnt terrible, and I mad it through unscathed...lol. I am however glad its over.
I guess I just went it there expecting the worst and it might have been slightly better than the worst, and that's why it didn't seem so bad.I'm calling bs on the movie not being terrible!!!! It got smashed by critics so how the hell did you not mind it!!!
Haha, gotcha!I guess I just went it there expecting the worst and it might have been slightly better than the worst, and that's why it didn't seem so bad.
My ole lady and daughter wants me to see this thing. Was it boring?I went to the premier of breaking dawn for my girlfriends birthday. Hopefully I don't lose any masculinity but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Have fun and keep killing it.
Yeh it was pretty boring. Tolerable, but boring.My ole lady and daughter wants me to see this thing. Was it boring?