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A pw that works as good as the 1,3dimeth stuff, without such a crash.

Take high dose methyl b12 with it u will not crash
 
T-Bone said:
Just get more sleep and stop using "fake energy". Real energy is much much better.
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Thats assuming he does not already get enough sleep. Excess sleep can be worse on energy levels than when deprived. He asked if anything worked as well as 1,3d without the crash, not how to obtain optimum energy levels.
 
DeppJarrod said:
Thats assuming he does not already get enough sleep. Excess sleep can be worse on energy levels than when deprived. He asked if anything worked as well as 1,3d without the crash, not how to obtain optimum energy levels.
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Thankyou. I appreciate the advice, but Ive been living a fitness lifestyle since I was 15. I get enough sleep when I can but I still wanna have fun with supplements. I will admit however that Im lookng for something more on the healthy side.

Thanks Jansen!
 
kingdong said:
Dose it exist?
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I agree there needs to be a new pre-workout with no 1'3 dime that gives that kind of energy, I def feel Caffeine/Sulbutiamine combo is the best for energy.




Hey everyone Kingdong told me it was ok to post this link in the thread.

If anyone has any idea on what they want to see in a pre-workout product, stim or non stim please post it up in this thread, Athletix will give what the people want!

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kingdong said:
Thankyou. I appreciate the advice, but Ive been living a fitness lifestyle since I was 15. I get enough sleep when I can but I still wanna have fun with supplements. I will admit however that Im lookng for something more on the healthy side.

Thanks Jansen!
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Im with ya. I eat right, sleep the best I can, and keep stress to a minimum for maximum recovery. That being said, I fully enjoy taking advantage of supplements. For the sake of this thread, I will admit that 1,3d is an awesome tool to bring out the competitive edge in the gym. Probably not the healthiest of supps, but hey, pick your poison. Yohimbe works "ok" but much less mental stimulation than 1,3d. Black coffee is actually LOADED with antioxidants, and a much healthier alternative. I would be interested to hear when you find your fav stim.
 
kingdong said:
Dose it exist?
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I don't get a crash from 1,3-dimeth. And yes, there are preworkout products out there without 1,3-dimeth that are as good, if not better, IMO - one is Assault (Suma Root formulation).

~Rosie~
 
I suppose the crash is dependant on dosing. Jack3d never gave me jitters or crash but
1MR made me fly for hours untill I burnt out. Have no idea the dosage in either, and do not have experience with bulk.
 
I would PM BigT or Southpaw23.

I haven't tried many stimulants that are sold in America and these guys seem to have taken pretty much everything. I have asked them both for recommendations and comparisons when I am looking at branded products rather than bulk supplies which I tend to buy.

Both of them have been very helpful in offering detailed recommendations.
 
Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
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I tried the maximize sample and yes, you do not crash as you would with some others :)
 
VaughnTrue said:
Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
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I need to get a tub of this, I tried a couple samples but just wasn't enough to see how it works. Def on my to do list.
 
Robboe said:
Does it exist? It will in a few months!
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You're such a bloody tease.

OP, look into Lit-Up. It has a very good stim component and is geranium free. Superpump max is also a very good pre without 1,3.
 
Anyone want a free sample of Motivate and or MANIAC?

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All I know is that the I have used PowerChews and there has been no evident crash with a nice amount of energy along a sweet thermogenic efft, and NO jitters whatsoever.
 
Im in boston so naturally, i am sad too =( i hate any loss but 0-1...yack

Have you seen the new white flood formula?

Were looking for testers for our new watermelon flavor.
no crash or jitters
plus new formula, new flavor that tastes amazing
Come put in an application.

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Best pre-WO = Testosterone no ester + Dbol blend lol

...I haven't tried any non-stim pre-WO's that delivers anywhere close to what a 1,3 dim product does
 
chocolatemilk said:
Best pre-WO = Testosterone no ester + Dbol blend lol

...I haven't tried any non-stim pre-WO's that delivers anywhere close to what a 1,3 dim product does
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Thats because non-stims dont contain stims.

You wont come close to the energy of a 1,3. Thats not why you take non-stim pre's tho
 
Lol you're the first then.

Based just on the half lives of the stims, no real "crash" can/should be felt, but everyone is different I suppose.
 
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