If you think Buddha Belly is attractive, then don't worry about VAT. If you would rather have a tapered look (as well as health improvement) definitely handle your VAT issues first.Would you notice a visual/aesthetic difference with 7-Keto?
If you think Buddha Belly is attractive, then don't worry about VAT. If you would rather have a tapered look (as well as health improvement) definitely handle your VAT issues first.Would you notice a visual/aesthetic difference with 7-Keto?
Are you planning on using the same Gel #3 carrier? maybe slightly more carbomer!If you think Buddha Belly is attractive, then don't worry about VAT. If you would rather have a tapered look (as well as health improvement) definitely handle your VAT issues first.
I played with 10 different carbomers. The Benzyl Alcohol in gel#3 just doesn't gel up well at all.Are you planning on using the same Gel #3 carrier? maybe slightly more carbomer!
And if so, when can I expect my Christmas stocking to be filled?
You can add rat turds if you wish... as long as the basic matrix is used count me in... I even have no problem with the same ol watery texture, worked beautifully.I played with 10 different carbomers. The Benzyl Alcohol in gel#3 just doesn't gel up well at all.
I will be using the same localized carrier, but I might try and see if the methylcellulose and/or the polycacrylate I use in Eviscerate work to thicken it more.
One of my favorite products, eally...and one of the ones that drew me to work at Avant.You can add rat turds if you wish... as long as the basic matrix is used count me in... I even have no problem with the same ol watery texture, worked beautifully.
I can always pinch, but really shouldn't I use the jiggle test like Homer? :lol:Most definitely. Cortisol is a leading factor in accruing VAT fat, hence the effectiveness of 7-Keto. Basically if you can pinch your stomach/love handle and feel the fat, go for the eviscerate.
Hmmm... I'll have to look into picking up some of this LG 7-keto transdermal.If you think Buddha Belly is attractive, then don't worry about VAT. If you would rather have a tapered look (as well as health improvement) definitely handle your VAT issues first.
I personally have never received near the same results from LX that I have from topical 7-Keto.I can always pinch, but really shouldn't I use the jiggle test like Homer? :lol:
Hmmm... I'll have to look into picking up some of this LG 7-keto transdermal.
Quick question on VAT, is the transdermal going to be more effective than oral 7-keto or supplements like Lean Extreme.
Lean Xtreme is pretty badass, but I would not put it in the same realm as TD 7-keto. Oral 7-keto has almost zero availability...don't waste your money.I can always pinch, but really shouldn't I use the jiggle test like Homer? :lol:
Hmmm... I'll have to look into picking up some of this LG 7-keto transdermal.
Quick question on VAT, is the transdermal going to be more effective than oral 7-keto or supplements like Lean Extreme.
I personally didn't get much from LX...I personally have never received near the same results from LX that I have from topical 7-Keto.
TD 7-Keto looks like a winner then...Lean Xtreme is pretty badass, but I would not put it in the same realm as TD 7-keto. Oral 7-keto has almost zero availability...don't waste your money.
I have a sack right here...but it's sure not filled with skittles.I'll be looking for Testers.... I can be bought with a bag of skittles..:lol:
You seem like a 'smoothie' flavor type to me....here ya go...I'll be looking for Testers.... I can be bought with a bag of skittles..:lol:
so you have an empty sack? nothing i would post around the forums... just saying:lol:I have a sack right here...but it's sure not filled with skittles.
You got it, PM me your addy... :silly:I'll be looking for Testers.... I can be bought with a bag of skittles..:lol:
m&m's? doooode, if that's the case, hope your sack isn't exposed to prolonged heat...otherwise, that could get mess-y!I have a sack right here...but it's sure not filled with skittles.
so you have an empty sack? nothing i would post around the forums... just saying:lol:
Actually, I think they only melt in your mouth.m&m's? doooode, if that's the case, hope your sack isn't exposed to prolonged heat...otherwise, that could get mess-y!![]()
sounds great, thank you kind sir... :flowers1:Back on topic..:lol:... we should see something as early as next week guys!
I never had a problem with it, and I actually stack ALL my topicals now - makes them last longer, and I get the best of both products. But, each to their own.Par Deus of Avant labs had a bunch of info of why stacking the two was a bad idea, and to instead rotate the products. It has been years since reading his stuff, but the man was brilliant.
The original Lean Xtreme was great - the reformulated one isn't effective for me. Defintiely prefer topical 7-keto DHEA re cortisol control.I personally have never received near the same results from LX that I have from topical 7-Keto.
You know I'm down, ChrisI'll be looking for Testers...we should see something as early as next week guys!
The original Lean Xtreme was great - the reformulated one isn't effective for me. Defintiely prefer topical 7-keto DHEA re cortisol control.
~Rosie~
Sweet hell i'd go to costco and get a whole box of skittles if that was the case.I'll be looking for Testers.... I can be bought with a bag of skittles..:lol:
VAT fat is surrounding the organs and not likely to contribute much to the love handle area. Love handles are all SAT fat, which Eviscerate attacks nicely.
Be aware that the VAT fat is the dangerous fat.
I miss Ab-Solved.
I remember one thing Par Deus stated, was the carrier for SAT fat attacking products must be Hydropholic and for VAT it must be Lipopholic (Maybe I have it backwards, cant remember) and that stacking the two would cause competition at the dermis and render each product much less effective than if utilizing them separate.
So this is why you stated following up with Eviscerate would be the way to go correct? Good info on the VAT/SAT.. So would the 7-keto target the VAT fat then? or do I have it backwards? Ive never used any topical product, never really had to.. but it wouldn't hurt to trim a little from the lower waist section and take a peek at the lower Ab'sWe're talking right now about bringin back a limited run of Absolved.
The problem with stacking is that metabolically active tissue can only "process" so much free fatty acids at one time...best to tackle VAT issues (as you pointed out, a dangerous fatty deposit around organs) first then worry about SAT as you get leaner.
Rosie, just curious.. I seen your competition photos which looked fantastic! what is your BF% and what are you looking to get to? major kudos to you :thumbsup:You know I'm down, Chris
~Rosie~
7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.
I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
This true
After reading this, I would absolutely love to run a round of topical 7-keto and follow it up with the Eviscerate...sounds incredibly impressive.
Well if u need a fat tester look no further. I have plenty of strength but as u can see I also have plenty of VAT fat. Want to get down to 205 for my next cycle in January(could be postponed if need be). Currently hoovering around 223-225.I'll be looking for Testers.... I can be bought with a bag of skittles..:lol:
Haha I think he arms got me beat. I cant wait to put up the video when I get 700. Hopefully it will be at a lighter weight which is y Id love to try this. Tried Eviscerate but honestly I had too much VAT fat. I wouldnt mind getting into powerlifting but dont want to be all belly.Im not sure whats bigger?? your 675lb deadlift or dsade's arms!!
Tom would be an awesome test subject!Well if u need a fat tester look no further. I have plenty of strength but as u can see I also have plenty of VAT fat. Want to get down to 205 for my next cycle in January(could be postponed if need be). Currently hoovering around 223-225.
I might even become ballsy enough to post before and after pics(at the end if it works :lol![]()
Those arms are damn epic...Im not sure whats bigger?? your 675lb deadlift or dsade's arms!!
Haha see dont make me get a goon squad to start begging for me :lmao: Oh and just so u know bro Im thinking my plan for my next cycle is Superdrol bridged to Phera with either 4-AD UTT or Dermacrine TD as a test base :sgrin: So expect some crazy deadlift number. Realistically speaking 725 shouldnt be out of the question but 750 wouldnt be turned down.Tom would be an awesome test subject!
Make him a skinny ass so I can catch up on the DL's!
I know right makes me jealous. Fack a deadlift just give me some guns :lol:Those arms are damn epic...
Yes.So this is why you stated following up with Eviscerate would be the way to go correct? Good info on the VAT/SAT.. So would the 7-keto target the VAT fat then? or do I have it backwards? Ive never used any topical product, never really had to.. but it wouldn't hurt to trim a little from the lower waist section and take a peek at the lower Ab's![]()
I differ re opinion on my competition pics, but eh . . . I was ~8% bodyfat for it and holding water and other stuff - thinking closer to 9% bodyfat and ~8.6~ bodyfat more likely. I was looking at getting to 7% bodyfat, but readjusted to a more maintainable 8-9% bodyfat recomp. I'm currently between 9-9.5%. Ongoing body statistics are in my log, http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/163701-revolution-female-terminator.html.Rosie, just curious.. I seen your competition photos which looked fantastic! what is your BF% and what are you looking to get to? major kudos to you :thumbsup:
You'll find differing opinions on that. Also depends on what you call "higher body fat %" - anything around the average sex body compositions can be considered "high".Sounds like this would be best for people with higher body fat % trying to get to the optimal body fat range...
:You_Rock_Emoticon: Very good information, thank you!Yes.
VAT fat resides actually below the muscle tissue of the abdomen, binding around the internal organs. VAT fat can be seen with people who have the prototypical "Beer" belly. VAT actually pushes the muscles forward as well and causes the belly to protrude out. Cortisol is the hormone responsible for causing weight gain around the midsection, predominantly VAT fat, 7-Keto cuts down the cort and the body begins releasing the fatty acids contained with the VAT fat around the organs. In the past I have used 7-Keto topicals and found them extremely effective, the correct carrier can deliver the 7-Keto lipopholically into fat causing suppression of 11beta-HSD-1 cutting down the cortisone to cortisol conversion. Cortisone is harmless, as opposed to cortisol. Which in turn the body begins burning the VAT at a pretty good pace, especially if paired with a good thermogenic.
When you waist is small, but looking soft still, it is time for the eviscerate to attack the subcutaneous fat (SAT - Below the skin), this is when you would start shredding.
7-Keto for slimming the waist line and gaining the V-Taper
Eviscerate is for Shredding the soft look
Also, one reason Topical 7-Keto was a 1000x more effect as per par deus was that you have to bypass the liver, which a lipopholic carrier did.
Yes, agreed...thank you all!:You_Rock_Emoticon: Very good information, thank you!
H.E.A.T.:You_Rock_Emoticon: Very good information, thank you!
What would you consider a good thermogenic?
Well Put DAdams! thanksYes.
VAT fat resides actually below the muscle tissue of the abdomen, binding around the internal organs. VAT fat can be seen with people who have the prototypical "Beer" belly. VAT actually pushes the muscles forward as well and causes the belly to protrude out. Cortisol is the hormone responsible for causing weight gain around the midsection, predominantly VAT fat, 7-Keto cuts down the cort and the body begins releasing the fatty acids contained with the VAT fat around the organs. In the past I have used 7-Keto topicals and found them extremely effective, the correct carrier can deliver the 7-Keto lipopholically into fat causing suppression of 11beta-HSD-1 cutting down the cortisone to cortisol conversion. Cortisone is harmless, as opposed to cortisol. Which in turn the body begins burning the VAT at a pretty good pace, especially if paired with a good thermogenic.
When you waist is small, but looking soft still, it is time for the eviscerate to attack the subcutaneous fat (SAT - Below the skin), this is when you would start shredding.
7-Keto for slimming the waist line and gaining the V-Taper
Eviscerate is for Shredding the soft look
Also, one reason Topical 7-Keto was a 1000x more effect as per par deus was that you have to bypass the liver, which a lipopholic carrier did.
You got to take the epic arms for the win.Im not sure whats bigger?? your 675lb deadlift or dsade's arms!!
Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...
The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.
5-AT is best for oral use not TD.
Actually there aren't a lot of references for eticholanolone in general and I don't know of any for the 7-OH version. Like so many things the theory is sound.
Additionally, etiocholanolone has a few papers showing it to be a much better fat burner than it's DHEA counterpart, so it stands to reason that the 7-OH version would have similar activity.
i dunno about that man. i would consider 1802 alotActually there aren't a lot of references for eticholanolone in general