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The Future of Primordial Performance

metroba said:
Like you don't have a gorgeous wife to go take that frustration out on :lol:


Sorry if this has been answered but have the reps had access to the new line yet? Or just information on what's to come?
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No access to it :sad3: I wish.

John had mentioned he was going to announce the above to us, but we are still waiting on all the details you guys are. I'm anxious to say the least. :food:
 
specmike said:
Seems a bit presumptuous to try to speak for "most". I don't think anyone that was serious to begin with about these products has given up. They just aren't obnoxiously posting every 5 min like kids on a trip: "are we there yet, are there yet???"

So, for a bit of speculation, let's suppose that we do have a product that gives results like Superdrol without the liver toxicity.

1. Would this mean that cycles could be done more frequently?

2. What's left to worry about, receptor site affinity/burnout etc?
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you still need to worry about natural test production being restored and your hormones bro.its not just your liver that affected by superdrol.im gunna go out on a limb and say thats something to worry about,assuming you want to be able to reproduce haha
 
RepThat21 said:
you still need to worry about natural test production being restored and your hormones bro.its not just your liver that affected by superdrol.im gunna go out on a limb and say thats something to worry about,assuming you want to be able to reproduce haha
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Definitely. Acutely, the liver is not something you need to really worry about. It's only when the number of cycles you've run starts building up that damage to your liver becomes a problem - mainly because regeneration increases hepatoma risk. So, worrying about hepatotoxicity is more preventative maintenance than anything else.

For a novice user, hormonal fluctuations are far more the thing to watch and regulate. Just because something isn't hepatotoxic doesn't mean you can use it like creatine. :p
 
Resolve said:
Definitely. Acutely, the liver is not something you need to really worry about. It's only when the number of cycles you've run starts building up that damage to your liver becomes a problem - mainly because regeneration increases hepatoma risk. So, worrying about hepatotoxicity is more preventative maintenance than anything else.

For a novice user, hormonal fluctuations are far more the thing to watch and regulate. Just because something isn't hepatotoxic doesn't mean you can use it like creatine. :p
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Not to mention the correction in cholesterol, which is FAR more important as the liver is very resilient and repairs itself pretty well. Lipids, on the other hand, don't fare as well.
 
LOL....I absolutely do NOT want to reproduce. However, the wife does expect some non-battery assisted pleasure from time to time so keeping the natural test production working is essential. Sounds like we need OTC SERMs and PCT agents that can keep up with this new line from PP.
 
specmike said:
...Sounds like we need OTC SERMs and PCT agents that can keep up with this new line from PP.
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If you want and OTC PCT, the Invalid Link Removed covers that :)
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
If you want and OTC PCT, the Testosterone Recovery Stack covers that :)
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I'm in the middle of one now, thanks. Just finished a Turinabol/Dermacrine run. As far as better, I'm hoping you guys continue to innovate and improve it in the future. But, so far so good. I actually feel stronger in the gym in my 2nd full week of this TRS than I did on the Turinabol.

Happy Veteran's Day and thanks to all who have served.

:usa:
 
specmike said:
I'm in the middle of one now, thanks. Just finished a Turinabol/Dermacrine run. As far as better, I'm hoping you guys continue to innovate and improve it in the future. But, so far so good. I actually feel stronger in the gym in my 2nd full week of this TRS than I did on the Turinabol.
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Oh, there's lot of innovation coming from Primordial in the near (and distant) future. Keep your eyes peeled :)
 
i read somewhere PP is or was planning on upgrading the TRS...this still in the works?i think i saw a something about TCFII as well?
 
RepThat21 said:
i read somewhere PP is or was planning on upgrading the TRS...this still in the works?i think i saw a something about TCFII as well?
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TCF-2 was mentioned briefly by Eric as something in the works. It is not a replacement for TCF-1, it would be a complimenting product.

The TRS has been rumored to be under evaluation since the creation of TCF-1, which in opinion fits right in. Oh speaking of which, if you order the TRS right now, you get a free bottle of TCF-1 :D
 
Hmmm, thats def good to hear!!!!

Ive been looking forward to my PCT for some time now, cant wait to see how TRS does first hand compared to the many other set ups Ive used.... frankly I think its going to spank anything else ive ran!

specmike said:
I'm in the middle of one now, thanks. Just finished a Turinabol/Dermacrine run. As far as better, I'm hoping you guys continue to innovate and improve it in the future. But, so far so good. I actually feel stronger in the gym in my 2nd full week of this TRS than I did on the Turinabol.

Happy Veteran's Day and thanks to all who have served.

:usa:
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RepThat21 said:
i read somewhere PP is or was planning on upgrading the TRS...this still in the works?i think i saw a something about TCFII as well?
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Our TRS will eventually be upgraded, yes. :D

Right now the "AndroSeries" is the priority, but once that is up and running we'll return to finishing other projects that are still in development.

Good things to come my friend. :food:




-John
 
hoopem6 said:
Most definitely! The TRS is arguably the most comprehensive and complete OTC post-cycle option available.
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IMO...there is no argument...it is the most complete OCT PCT there is...period!!! :)

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Primordial Performance
 
SamBoz19 said:
IMO...there is no argument...it is the most complete OCT PCT there is...period!!! :)

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Primordial Performance
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It's what I am using, I added in some extra stuff but TRS is the backbone...
 
rochabp said:
log ops?
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Absolutely. Once the "AndroSeries" is launched I will have plenty of opportunities over here on AM.

As for our new sale (TRS and (1) FREE TCF-1), look for logging opportunities sometime this weekend. ;)



-John
 
chocolatemilk said:
Cool BOGO on the TCF-1 HTS. I've never tried TCF-1... your twisting my arm to try it now lol.
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Honestly I think TCF-1 goes very well with the trs, but any test booster or anti e product will work too. Are you planning on using it as part of a pct or just as a natty stack? I have tried both and saw good results on each cycle. Also I used it for 36 days straight with no ill effects and no diminishing returns, just my opinion, not sure what pp recommends now but I'd say go for a longer run, I think the bottle has 24 servings?
 
Dr D is advocating a few months of DAA supplementation then taking off half the on time before running it again(along with a 1mg/1lb of bw dosing scheme). I've read a few other accounts as well where many have run a longer cycle past the study length of 12 days and express similar feelings as yourself.

I'm thinking longer cycles are definitely an option with TCF-1 and custom dosing would be a cinch with it being in the liquid form and handy syringe!
 
Trauma1 said:
Absolutely. Once the "AndroSeries" is launched I will have plenty of opportunities over here on AM.

As for our new sale (TRS and (1) FREE TCF-1), look for logging opportunities sometime this weekend. ;)



-John
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Sounds exciting so far... but a lot of suspense with the waiting.. just sayin.. :damnit: :sgrin:
 
Trauma1 said:
It'll be well worth it though. Plus, I'll have quite a few logging opportunities for you guys here when they launch.

:food:



-John
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Yah it's got to be even harder on you I can distance myself from it. Every now and then I scroll by this thread and I know what you're talkn about in here. You guys are cookin something and it smells good... :sgrin:
 
HereToStudy said:
No access to it :sad3: I wish.

John had mentioned he was going to announce the above to us, but we are still waiting on all the details you guys are. I'm anxious to say the least. :food:
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If you have no access to the info then why do you keep insinuating like you know?
 
MrBigPR said:
If you have no access to the info then why do you keep insinuating like you know?
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He is a big fat :liar:, that's why! And he just ate the last of the lembas bread too; he's got crumbs all over his shirt!

:lol:

I must be getting hypo; time to go eat:food:.
 
MrBigPR said:
If you have no access to the info then why do you keep insinuating like you know?
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I'll let John speak for himself, but I think he's just making the best out of the situation and the limited amount of information available at this time.
 
Either way, the sooner you all can do some revealing the better off it will be for PP and your customer base; it's as simple as that. People are impatient and there has been a lot of build up around these products so naturally anything that trickles through will get attention, good or bad. Frankly, I would love to hear some more about the products like many of your company's customers BUT me b****** will do nothing to hasten the release. For the company's sake, I really hope these are a big hit otherwise I foresee fallout like what USP received with Pink Magic... yikes!
 
oufinny said:
Either way, the sooner you all can do some revealing the better off it will be for PP and your customer base; it's as simple as that. People are impatient and there has been a lot of build up around these products so naturally anything that trickles through will get attention, good or bad. Frankly, I would love to hear some more about the products like many of your company's customers BUT me b****** will do nothing to hasten the release. For the company's sake, I really hope these are a big hit otherwise I foresee fallout like what USP received with Pink Magic... yikes!
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Oufinny,
The complications with the information came from securing suppliers, making choices, etc.. With a product release that honestly has not been seen before, information/etc needs to be dealt with carefully up to the point of the product launch being secured.

Also, from what I DO know, I can't possibly imagine these not being a hit. Remember, nothing we release isnt well backed by science (This wasn't a comparison to USP, they do the same and I am fond of their products).
 
HereToStudy said:
Oufinny,
The complications with the information came from securing suppliers, making choices, etc.. With a product release that honestly has not been seen before, information/etc needs to be dealt with carefully up to the point of the product launch being secured.

Also, from what I DO know, I can't possibly imagine these not being a hit. Remember, nothing we release isnt well backed by science (This wasn't a comparison to USP, they do the same and I am fond of their products).
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You know I have a lot of respect for you and being that I work in procurement, I know about supplier issues intimately. It is smart to protect your product and the compounds that are going into them to prevent copies, at least initially. Also, I don't see PP releasing something without a solid scientific foothold to stand on; it is one of the few companies I hold in high esteem for that reason. Basically, I am frustrated because I am TRYING to plan my January stack that is going to be hormonal based AND I want to know if these are going to be a part of it or if I have to go a different route. I like so many here just want to get our hands on these so we can see what all the hype is about!
 
i seriously cant wait
i hope there will be a good presale price cuz im saving up my cash already
 
It's not about "hype" we just wanted to let everyone know that we were needing to sell our existing stock of prohormones so that we could raise the money for the new AndroSeries. We keep transparency with our goals, which is to always be innovative in the supplement business. This new venture will be much more effective, DSHEA compliant, and provide a new niche to the hormonal market.
 
oufinny said:
You know I have a lot of respect for you and being that I work in procurement, I know about supplier issues intimately. It is smart to protect your product and the compounds that are going into them to prevent copies, at least initially. Also, I don't see PP releasing something without a solid scientific foothold to stand on; it is one of the few companies I hold in high esteem for that reason. Basically, I am frustrated because I am TRYING to plan my January stack that is going to be hormonal based AND I want to know if these are going to be a part of it or if I have to go a different route. I like so many here just want to get our hands on these so we can see what all the hype is about!
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Agreed, I am planning my winter cycle as well. I stocked up on alot of the old orals and then find out that the new androseries will stack very well with any of the old line. I am going to plan my cycle with the what I have, and then when it is time to start the cycle, I will go on as planned unless the androseries is available and I feel comfortable adding or substituting one of the products, although I would like to run them solo first to see how I react exactly.
 
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