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jbryand101b said:
first, I have to say my bad, I thought we were going to remove the methyl group from the compound, but I guess they changed their mind.

here is what I can find on cdma, better known as halodrol.

The idea of the transdermal is because number one, it hasn't been done before. Yes, we understand it's a methyl, and works well orally. but it might work better transdermally?

I was suggesting either a non methylated 4chloro androstenediol product which would convert into 4chloro testosterone, or a 4chloro dehydroandrostenediol product, which would become 4chloro boldenone. both would be legal, and new to the market. but this didn't happen. i dont know why.

but this is what we are left with. two compounds, both never used transdermally before, so how potent the compounds are that they could convert to, isn't known. it may be a flop. it may not.

we could speculate, especially about the max lmg all day long, conversion of this compound is interesting.

I will be testing this product soon, and will give my honest opinion to needto on how well it works. if it doesn't work well, I will not recomend we sell it. this you can be sure of. my review wont be on this site though, d/t there already being so many loggers. it will be on another forum. but i'll still share my opinion in the loggers reviews as i visit them.
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It is truly a relief to see that someone is on the same page as me. Someone please give this man a promotion or raise!


Putting the NON-methylated version of this compound in the transdermal would make sense. In fact, that would be a pretty sweet product!

So i can see why you thought that. I was hoping that was the case myself.

And I agree, not much is known about the Max LMG

Yet still no one in this thread can answer my question as to why a methylated steroid was put into a transdermal. I see that I have asked the question about 7 times, 7 different ways, and it continually gets ignored lol. O well.

I am glad YOU addressed my question. Thank you!

I just hope the reviews are honest.

kevinhy said:
I was just wondering if transdermals do avoid first pass through the liver or if they are mg for mg just as toxic as oral methyls.
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They avoid first pass, and that is it. So they are 99% as toxic as taking them orally. Once it's in your bloodstream its in your bloodstream. Whether you ate it injected it our put it through your skin. That is why there has never been transdermal methylated steroids
 
nattydisaster said:
They avoid first pass, and that is it. So they are 99% as toxic as taking them orally. Once it's in your bloodstream its in your bloodstream. Whether you ate it injected it our put it through your skin. That is why there has never been transdermal methylated steroids
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Man.
 
jbryand101b said:
okay, I am late to this conversation, but lets have a logical discussion with some data, if we can get any.


first, I have to say my bad, I thought we were going to remove the methyl group from the compound, but I guess they changed their mind.

okay, it would of lightened it up a lot, but it's still well below the limit.

alot of the questions asked by natty were answered in the first few pages, by me, the best I could with the little info i had.

here is what I can find on cdma, better known as halodrol.

it seems the estimated oral availability of hd to be at about 40%. I'm not sure really where people are getting numbers like 80%+ on methylated steroids.

methylation is designed to help protect the compund from breaking down quickly in the body. this doesn't mean it is going to be 100%

i've never seen a 80% oral availability for any steroid. if you have a link, please share. I am learning as well.

the idea of the transdermal is because number one, it hasn't been done before. Yes, we understand it's a methyl, and works well orally. but it might work better transdermally?

and as was said before, the main reasoning it is though possibly it might work better, is d/t the skin having more enzymes capable of causing better conversion to a more potent compound.

I was suggesting either a non methylated 4chloro androstenediol product which would convert into 4chloro testosterone, or a 4chloro dehydroandrostenediol product, which would become 4chloro boldenone. both would be legal, and new to the market. but this didn't happen. i dont know why.

but this is what we are left with. two compounds, both never used transdermally before, so how potent the compounds are that they could convert to, isn't known. it may be a flop. it may not.

we could speculate, especially about the max lmg all day long, conversion of this compound is interesting.

I will be testing this product soon, and will give my honest opinion to needto on how well it works. if it doesn't work well, I will not recomend we sell it. this you can be sure of. my review wont be on this site though, d/t there already being so many loggers. it will be on another forum. but i'll still share my opinion in the loggers reviews as i visit them.


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btw, just want to add, I have no problem, or issue with other reps, or who ever comming into the thread, and asking the tough questions that make you think.
it's what we're all paid to do as reps.
we're all here to learn, even if that means you schooling me. :D
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thanks for this jbry.... ;) so this product was your idea?
 
kevinhy said:
Yo Nate, i received my Chlorothoxy, and see that it IS in fact methylated. I was just wondering if transdermals do avoid first pass through the liver or if they are mg for mg just as toxic as oral methyls.
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Anything that goes into your blood is still going to end up passing through your liver. When it comes to mythelation more often then not this is to help it pass the Gi track more then anything else but yes also for passing the liver too.

Now this is the reason most people do not use a mythelated steroid in a transdermal although mythel tren was pretty popular as a transdermal for a wile underground anyway.

On the label of chlorathoxy its
4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol

Anyway that is all I will say that yes on the label it says what it says. After that I will just :bryce: And be on my way har har...

If the testers are not happy then I will change the formulation and then retest it again until its to my liking and everyone else as well. So really at this point all this back and forth and people getting angry with each other is just plan silly.

People taking shots at me and **** is also just plan silly also. Which is why I just ignore it as I always do. I tried to make light of it with one dude and have a little fun but I guess he was not in the mood for fun. I wont make the same mistake twice with him again.

Now cant we all just get along :eek5:


So To get off the subject anyone see all the ATD getting pulled off the market ? I never really liked atd but still sucks to see yet another compound getting f ucked with
 
needtogetmuscle said:
On the label of chlorathoxy its
4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol

Anyway that is all I will say that yes on the label it says what it says. After that I will just :bryce: And be on my way har har...
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Are you implying something there? or just confirming that it is regular halo?
 
Well now that all the drama has passed I suggest we all sit back and wait on the results.:wall:
 
nattydisaster said:
It is truly a relief to see that someone is on the same page as me. Someone please give this man a promotion or raise!


Putting the NON-methylated version of this compound in the transdermal would make sense. In fact, that would be a pretty sweet product!

So i can see why you thought that. I was hoping that was the case myself.

And I agree, not much is known about the Max LMG

Yet still no one in this thread can answer my question as to why a methylated steroid was put into a transdermal. I see that I have asked the question about 7 times, 7 different ways, and it continually gets ignored lol. O well.

I am glad YOU addressed my question. Thank you!

I just hope the reviews are honest.



They avoid first pass, and that is it. So they are 99% as toxic as taking them orally. Once it's in your bloodstream its in your bloodstream. Whether you ate it injected it our put it through your skin. That is why there has never been transdermal methylated steroids
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It took me a bit to figure it out, but when I did I realize this TD is one bad mug for gains hehe.
 
well, I'll just try to build suspence like another company did.

"more info will be released at a later date"

I have lots of crazy ideas for designer supplements.

but I will say this, i can assure users this product will be less toxic than if you were to use helladrol + max lmg orally.

what does this mean? well it could mean (in theory) transdermal application avoids first pass, and could be (again, in theory) be less hepatotoxic than taking the compound orally, d/t having the liver blasted all at once with the methylated compound when taken orally, than having the liver slowly introduced the methylated compounds.

but, again, one last time, this is just a theory, and has no actual data to support it, and is just something to think about with methylated compounds. not to mention, methylated compounds such as "the one" were shown to be better & more potent when injected, vs taken orally, so taking a methylated compound like "the one" and using it transdermally, might actually cause the product to live up to it's hype, and be a very potent androgen.

that is all I will say on the subject for now. when I am given the green light to release more info, I will...............
 
Out of curiosity, any idea how much Chlorothoxy will cost once it has been released?
 
jbryand101b said:
well, I'll just try to build suspence like another company did.

"more info will be released at a later date"

I have lots of crazy ideas for designer supplements.

but I will say this, i can assure users this product will be less toxic than if you were to use helladrol + max lmg orally.

what does this mean? well it could mean (in theory) transdermal application avoids first pass, and could be (again, in theory) be less hepatotoxic than taking the compound orally, d/t having the liver blasted all at once with the methylated compound when taken orally, than having the liver slowly introduced the methylated compounds.

but, again, one last time, this is just a theory, and has no actual data to support it, and is just something to think about with methylated compounds. not to mention, methylated compounds such as "the one" were shown to be better & more potent when injected, vs taken orally, so taking a methylated compound like "the one" and using it transdermally, might actually cause the product to live up to it's hype, and be a very potent androgen.

that is all I will say on the subject for now. when I am given the green light to release more info, I will...............
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great post Jbryan!



I want some!!
 
nattydisaster said:
So what's everyone doing tonight?
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Speaking of tonight:

I did break down and treat myself to a punch bowl margarita (don't hate on me too hard. It was delicious). So the effects of it may partially be fueling the post I am about to unleash.

So it seems there is some tension in this thread. I feel that the vast majority of AM users are not your typical "bro" and are here for knowledge, help, and camaraderie. I know that is what I discovered when I first came here. That is the very reason that I stayed here. Literally this is a home away from home for me. My day goes like this: work, lift, research on AM, sleep, repeat (with the occasional n00b pwning on xbox live). I really don't want to start seeing the episodes of "one upping" each other.

I am still learning about NTBM and Mr. Supps, but I can tell you that every interaction I personally have had with them has been top notch. The third party logs that I am following of those selected to run the products (as well as unsponsored) seemed to love them. I personally plan on ordering from them soon and let's face it, they wouldn't be here on AM if they were full of ****. Why do think we don't have GNC/Muscletech-esque types here? Also, this thread is for a NTBM company promotion and I think we should be mindful of that. I support the innovation and hope your company continues to build on the success it has already achieved.

As for PES, I don't really think I need to vouch for them (not that my personal vouch matters anyway), but their products are awesome. I have personally run AT-2 and will gladly tell anyone how legit it was. If 6-bromo (a favorite of mine) wasn't on sale for a ridiculous $9.99, I would have already run Erase as well. They have products that do exactly what they say they will do and it is amazing that they exhibit synergy with such a drastic number of other companies' products. Keep the products coming!

I guess I will step down off of the ol' soap box now.

I propose a group hug, a little kumbaya, and to top it all off, a classy and congratulatory "good game" ass tap.
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hmmmm definately looking at this product with more and more interest...

Dont worry though im one to get excited about something for sure but wont start blowin it up without a solid recorded log with results to back it, luckily I get to do the recording myself... successful product logs become SIG worthy, I only place my current log and bomb supps in that spot. With that said, given im wanting to run a cycle right now and there is still soooooome speculation this may not work out (even though NTBM seems to know something they arent letting on about) I will def be the first to say its bunk if thats the case...

no point in beta testing anything unless you have the balls to tell someone their stuff doesnt work even if it was given to you for free... Im hoping though it does work.... otherwise ill be stretching this "cycle" 8 weeks to slam down some good old phera plex :D


BTW my UNbiased straight up, but fun, log can be found here...

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needtogetmuscle said:
Mrsupps.com has created the next big thing when it comes to Trasdermal designer supplements. Chlorathoxy!!

full serving is 10 pumps 60 servings per bottle
Per servings
4-chloro-androsta1,4-diene-3,17,17-diol 25mg
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one 10mg

One can take a full ten pump dose morning and night and this will work perfect. I my self will be going all out with 10 pumps morning, noon , and night bawahahahaaa Because I own it and I can lol


Ok my bro's I got 6 bottles left for testing because 4 of them are already taken. Sign up now for this one of a kind product. We need people who are going to log this one product and take it all on its own with out combining it with any other OTC hormone products like it. This is in testing right now so feed back is important.
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So this is Halo at 25mg and LMG at10mgs per serving
 
jbryand101b said:
well, I'll just try to build suspence like another company did.

"more info will be released at a later date"

I have lots of crazy ideas for designer supplements.

but I will say this, i can assure users this product will be less toxic than if you were to use helladrol + max lmg orally.

what does this mean? well it could mean (in theory) transdermal application avoids first pass, and could be (again, in theory) be less hepatotoxic than taking the compound orally, d/t having the liver blasted all at once with the methylated compound when taken orally, than having the liver slowly introduced the methylated compounds.

but, again, one last time, this is just a theory, and has no actual data to support it, and is just something to think about with methylated compounds. not to mention, methylated compounds such as "the one" were shown to be better & more potent when injected, vs taken orally, so taking a methylated compound like "the one" and using it transdermally, might actually cause the product to live up to it's hype, and be a very potent androgen.

that is all I will say on the subject for now. when I am given the green light to release more info, I will...............
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that is the 'old school' theory that 1st interested me in transdermals.


through the skin, injected or oral it has to pass through the liver, but my 'broscience' tells me there would be less stress on liver using td delivery-just my opinion.
 
thebigt said:
that is the 'old school' theory that 1st interested me in transdermals.


through the skin, injected or oral it has to pass through the liver, but my 'broscience' tells me there would be less stress on liver using td delivery-just my opinion.
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me too..i am still a real big fan of dermals.

my first transdermal i made myself and ran 4ad and 1test for 10 weeks.

I really really like it, except the DMSO made me stank. lol
 
Im almost ready to start me cycle. I love the idea of this stuff! So how do I apply this stuff? Could I just beat off with it?
:)
Oh **** could I get banned for that kind of talk?
 
Nothingman said:
Im almost ready to start me cycle. I love the idea of this stuff! So how do I apply this stuff? Could I just beat off with it?
:)
Oh **** could I get banned for that kind of talk?
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honestly applying to the testicles will get some of the best absorption, but also fastest and heaviest shutdown
 
I'm going to use latex gloves to apply this stuff, so none of it gets on my hands, I'm also going to shave nice and smooth everyplace I could be applying it....even the nads...
 
jbryand101b said:
I'm going to use latex gloves to apply this stuff, so none of it gets on my hands, I'm also going to shave nice and smooth everyplace I could be applying it....even the nads...
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I just put it right on my application area (chest) and use only my forearms to rub it in

Don't like latex, its still slightly porous and can't ever seem to get it all rubbed off the gloves, you always lose some to the gloves...specially with such a small amount being applied period I can't see losing some to a glove application.
 
poopypants said:
I just put it right on my application area (chest) and use only my forearms to rub it in

Don't like latex, its still slightly porous and can't ever seem to get it all rubbed off the gloves, you always lose some to the gloves...specially with such a small amount being applied period I can't see losing some to a glove application.
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hmm, good points. something to think about. thanks bro.
 
EasyEJL said:
Have you noticed beyond the lethargy being angrier than usual? Not roid raging but just feeling angry?
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Haven't really noticed anything yet in that facet of the androgen game... Have had a noticeable increase in acne though.... I usually don't get androgen induced aggression without other stress factors involved anyways, been pretty easy going for me as of right now.
 
EasyEJL said:
honestly applying to the testicles will get some of the best absorption, but also fastest and heaviest shutdown
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Speaking of shutdown;

The instructions say to apply once in the morning and once at night. Using at night will promote shutdown faster because it will interfere with natural test running at night correct? Could I just use it morning then at say no later than dinner time? Or even 3 pm? So I would apply at 6am, gym at 9 am then apply at 3 pm.

Thats how I used my SD.

Also should I mix up my application areas in the same day so it doesnt build up and effect absorbtion? Some pointers on aplication areas are welcome.



Thanks for the info.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
me too..i am still a real big fan of dermals.

my first transdermal i made myself and ran 4ad and 1test for 10 weeks.

I really really like it, except the DMSO made me stank. lol
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oddly enough, except for slight bad breath the 1st 3 days no b/o at all. i have noticed a slight metalic taste lately, but nothing major.
 
just got my chlorothoxy in the mail today, going to get a fresh shave in and shower for my first app tomarrow morning! whoo!

man, I respond so well to hd, this is going to be nice plus it's been like a year since I've ran it. it is my favorite (legal) compound.
 
Question guys;
Im starting my rubbing in a few days, do I have to worry about close contact with my kids during the day? I'm out of work again and watching my kids all day. What precaution should I take as far as touching them etc? Can I touch people after I apply a transdermal?

Also my second application, can I do that rather eraly in the day? Like 3pm or so? I'm trying to keep it away from slep time.
 
Nothingman said:
Question guys;
Im starting my rubbing in a few days, do I have to worry about close contact with my kids during the day? I'm out of work again and watching my kids all day. What precaution should I take as far as touching them etc? Can I touch people after I apply a transdermal?

Also my second application, can I do that rather eraly in the day? Like 3pm or so? I'm trying to keep it away from slep time.
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Id say pick up some latex gloves just to be safe. Just be sure to apply it to areas that will be covered by clothing.

Not too sure it will effect sleep. Try to spread dosing out a little though.
 
jbryand101b said:
just got my chlorothoxy in the mail today, going to get a fresh shave in and shower for my first app tomarrow morning! whoo!

man, I respond so well to hd, this is going to be nice plus it's been like a year since I've ran it. it is my favorite (legal) compound.
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Sweet!

I has to get some of this!!
 
Nothingman said:
Question guys;
Im starting my rubbing in a few days, do I have to worry about close contact with my kids during the day? I'm out of work again and watching my kids all day. What precaution should I take as far as touching them etc? Can I touch people after I apply a transdermal?

Also my second application, can I do that rather eraly in the day? Like 3pm or so? I'm trying to keep it away from slep time.
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You can take it earlier, just be sure to take your first dose is early. It has affected my sleep some in it being hard to fall asleep.

As far as application, just like Tom said use gloves and apply it to covered areas. And make sure to wash your hands after even though you are wearing gloves.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Id say pick up some latex gloves just to be safe. Just be sure to apply it to areas that will be covered by clothing.

Not too sure it will effect sleep. Try to spread dosing out a little though.
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I guess im the only one that enjoys rubbing their application site on women and children. I know i know, youre all probably thinking "jeez that guys ****ed up", but i didnt even mention yet that i only apply this kind of stuff to my balls.



Oops, did i say children? What i meant to say was.....uhm......gotta go!
 
Ok thanks for the info guys, I'll use gloves just in case to keep my kids safe. As far as taking it at night, Im not worried about sleep as much as I am of the roids interfering with my natural night-time test production.
Anyone know the halflife on both these compounds? I know I shpould know this by now but all I have been doing is reading about SD for months.
 
So is there dmso in this transdermal solution our what? I asked this forever ago and have yet to get a response from anyone at ntbm..... Its the same as the one in forma stanzol right? Does that even have the solution ingredient profile on it?

I would really like to know this, a pm is fine if you guys want to keep your formula a secret.
 
I believe there is an ingredient profile on the formastanz...wait nvm, no there isn't. well, I have no idea what else is in it besides whats listed on the supplement facts.

I'll ask needto, and get back to you.
 
poopypants said:
So is there dmso in this transdermal solution our what? I asked this forever ago and have yet to get a response from anyone at ntbm..... Its the same as the one in forma stanzol right? Does that even have the solution ingredient profile on it?

I would really like to know this, a pm is fine if you guys want to keep your formula a secret.
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Check out bigt's log and look at needto's last post in there...

EDIT: thought u were talkin about form nvm
 
chocolatemilk said:
Check out bigt's log and look at needto's last post in there...

EDIT: thought u were talkin about form nvm
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the carrier for the formastanzol is so good, why wouldn't they use the same carrier? hands down the carrier in the forma is best ive used. beats penetrate all to hell.
 
:twak:you forgot a winner


Schwellington



thank you that is all
 
schwellington, you have enough to test... let others get a chance...:twak:
 
Ya personally I love how easy it us to apply and quick drying it is.... definitely am feeling stuff already too so its obvious its an effective carrier....

Just really want to know if it had dmso.... Pretty sure ntb already said it was the same as was in forma stanzol... Do we know more about it from the label on forma or even that's been released on the boards?

Gotta know, dmso is a whole mother ball game, damn stuff carries all sorts of stuff through the skin, even unwanted things, need to know if I should be taking extra precautions for myself and family.

thebigt said:
the carrier for the formastanzol is so good, why wouldn't they use the same carrier? hands down the carrier in the forma is best ive used. beats penetrate all to hell.
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