Sounds like someone may have a little sand in the vajajay. I think this Premax is just what the doctor ordered.
Sounds like someone may have a little sand in the vajajay. I think this Premax is just what the doctor ordered.
I don't care about the argument one way or another, but come on.. that comparison is Apple's to Door Knob's.Yeah, still too many guys trying to apply "what the value TO ME of product X at X price" as if it were "what the value TO EVERYONE of product X at X price" is. If a $5 footlong subway sub is an exciting meal out that you can only afford once a month then sure, I can see where that makes sense
Ah, i read it wrong... I think I read it all backward... sort of like the latte comment prior. I read it as if you have $5 for a sub, you have 5$ for a day of PreMax!I dunno, the ingredients are patented so they cost what the patent holder chooses to charge. So as far as objective value goes, you've got $1.50 in peptopro and $2.50 of GPLC per serving roughly. So anyone talking about value its pretty much based on what they have available for spending. So if $5 for a sub is a stretch for you then $5 for a serving of a preworkout doesn't make sense.
It's the only way to know for sure. PP has a good reputation for making effective products. They don't overhype or hide behind proprietary blends and generally present both the good and bad effects from their products. What more can you ask of a supplement company? The price will be an issue for many, myself included, but if it really works I can justify the cost by eliminating other marginally effective supplements from my regime. I will call it as I see it. I have no ties to PP or any other supplement company. I personally beleive that 98% of the supplements on the market are pure crap. I keep searching for those rare jewels that are actually worth the money.NOS Ether is a great product. I'm glad to hear you're willing to try the Pre Max, and assess the effects for yourself; looking forward to your feedback whatever it may be.
I've been trying avant's new caffeine free stim and although it works well, it doesn't give that bit of manic energy something with caffeine does. I could use some coffee tooAh, i read it wrong... I think I read it all backward... sort of like the latte comment prior. I read it as if you have $5 for a sub, you have 5$ for a day of PreMax!
Carrry on... apparently my coffee has yet to kick in fully
hahaha, i bet my test cyp has it beat, lol. 200mg/ml 10ml vial=$8- now there is value.:bigok:Same here. I have used nearly ever form of arginine, including up to 6g of AAKG, and as of yet nothing has given me a better pump than the PreMax
if it were a cycle-yes.:veryhappy: if the future of supplements is going to be $150 a month supplements then i can see many turning to aas. the cost of supplements is becoming cost prohibitive, imo.Yes, because cycling test is so much like a Pre WO.
Haha, you're getting ripped! my TRT = 30mL vial :32:hahaha, i bet my test cyp has it beat, lol. 200mg/ml 10ml vial=$8- now there is value.:bigok:
Well for athletic purposes, caffeine dehydrates you.
i aint complaining.:veryhappy: that $8 every month is making me a very happy camper, lol.:bigok:Haha, you're getting ripped! my TRT = 30mL vial :32:
you called me, sire?I could use some coffee too
I raise you my dbol/sustaplex......hahaha, i bet my test cyp has it beat, lol. 200mg/ml 10ml vial=$8- now there is value.:bigok:
Appreciate the kind words. I hope that the Pre Max treats you well my friend.It's the only way to know for sure. PP has a good reputation for making effective products. They don't overhype or hide behind proprietary blends and generally present both the good and bad effects from their products. What more can you ask of a supplement company? The price will be an issue for many, myself included, but if it really works I can justify the cost by eliminating other marginally effective supplements from my regime. I will call it as I see it. I have no ties to PP or any other supplement company. I personally beleive that 98% of the supplements on the market are pure crap. I keep searching for those rare jewels that are actually worth the money.
hahaha, no thanks. i am loving the effects of the test cyp, muscle mass is up/fat is down/strength is up/mood is fantastic and libido of a teenager. at 51 years old i never thought i would feel this good again. life is good, my friend!!!:veryhappy:I raise you my dbol/sustaplex......
That's awesome, T!; glad to hear you're doing well my friend.hahaha, no thanks. i am loving the effects of the test cyp, muscle mass is up/fat is down/strength is up/mood is fantastic and libido of a teenager. at 51 years old i never thought i would feel this good again. life is good, my friend!!!:veryhappy:
thanks john, everything is going great. getting plenty of cardio- between chasing my wife and when i catch her, lol.That's awesome, T!; glad to hear you're doing well my friend.
that reminds me, i'll bust out whats left of your roasts tomorrow after thanksgiving dinner for what is likely to be an unappreciative audience as most of them are happy with 7-11 coffee.you called me, sire?
Why have I not been offered these boutique roasts?that reminds me, i'll bust out whats left of your roasts tomorrow after thanksgiving dinner for what is likely to be an unappreciative audience as most of them are happy with 7-11 coffee.
Sounds like someone may have a little sand in the vajajay. I think this Premax is just what the doctor ordered.
Please share with us 1 actual fact you listed? all you did was make comparisons with gear, nothing factual.good response.
i list 100% indisputable facts, and your rebuttal is an unfunny picture you found on one of your likely-bookmarked gay porn sites.
lol. any stimulant dehydrates you to the extent of making you pee. in fact, anything that is said to make you excrete more than you are taking is a
'diuretic'. try drinking a glass of water.........how innovative.
this thread is no longer about whether this product is a good value. the focus has now been turned to people trying to downplay tried and true pre workout supps, which is silly. in my opinion the best pre workout is water. just being properly hydrated can increase strength an endurance up to 10-15%.
above that, if you want a boost, try some ephedrine, caffeine, aakg, beta alanine, and ALCAR.
i'm not even hating on premax anymore. if someone wants to buy overpriced hydrolyzed protein, thats their choice. but please don't hate on people that don't think it is a good value. afterall, the point of this thread to begin with was to draw opinions from the board.
okay, so I am doing the research on GPLC.AAKG= NOTHING unto GPLC, the purpose of AAKG is NO, which it does not, GPLC does, I am an athlete, so believe me bro, not arguing, but living proof this raw amino on its own is worth, I RECOMMEND BULK GPLC.
The salt esthers separate how the body processes the different carnitines.okay, so I am doing the research on GPLC.
Whats the dealio with dosing the carnitines"?
Does this stuff NEED to be dosed ED like Beta-Alanine, Ribose, Creatine and the likes.
LHJO? :32:The salt esthers separate how the body processes the different carnitines.
Alcar= brain function/libido
Plcar = heart, ATP
GPLC= nitrogen retention/athletic performance/ heart health/erection strength
LCLT= androgen receptor density sensitivty/increased count
I recommend to take LCLT everyday, but the others work first day of ingestion, but of course better within due time.
LOL, what does that stand for, excuse my computer ignorance, still learning HAHAHAHA.LHJO? :32:
from all that I recall having read (and now I guess i'm going to need to go find it) that once you reach muscular saturation it takes over 3 days for carnitine stores to deplete, so every other day to every 3 days is possible to keep high levels of carnitine.okay, so I am doing the research on GPLC.
Whats the dealio with dosing the carnitines"?
Does this stuff NEED to be dosed ED like Beta-Alanine, Ribose, Creatine and the likes.
Thank you. I had a pretty good grasp on the breakdown of the carns, except for the loading and dosing of the proven clinicals and/or user feedback.The salt esthers separate how the body processes the different carnitines.
Alcar= brain function/libido
Plcar = heart, ATP
GPLC= nitrogen retention/athletic performance/ heart health/erection strength
LCLT= androgen receptor density sensitivty/increased count
I recommend to take LCLT everyday, but the others work first day of ingestion, but of course better within due time.
Thank you as well.from all that I recall having read (and now I guess i'm going to need to go find it) that once you reach muscular saturation it takes over 3 days for carnitine stores to deplete, so every other day to every 3 days is possible to keep high levels of carnitine.
When it comes to loading, remember all except the LCLT should be ran that way, it takes a while to increase androgen receptor count.:veryhappy:Thank you. I had a pretty good grasp on the breakdown of the carns, except for the loading and dosing of the proven clinicals and/or user feedback.
Thank you as well.
So, Easy, you recommend a loading phase, then dose on workout days. I have a friday-sunday workout hiatus, will that window be too large?
I workout M-W-Thu.......So i was thinking of loading/dosing on workout days and saturday as well.
LCLT= ED dosing,correct?When it comes to loading, remember all except the LCLT should be ran that way, it takes a while to increase androgen receptor count.:veryhappy:
honestly I would:veryhappy:LCLT= ED dosing,correct?
cool.honestly I would:veryhappy:
i'd do MWF for carnitine then. probably the difference tho isn't that large really in the end. I was trying to do mine every other day, but I keep forgetting to.So, Easy, you recommend a loading phase, then dose on workout days. I have a friday-sunday workout hiatus, will that window be too large?
I workout M-W-Thu.......So i was thinking of loading/dosing on workout days and saturday as well.
loli'd do MWF for carnitine then. probably the difference tho isn't that large really in the end. I was trying to do mine every other day, but I keep forgetting to.
No, GPLC. These guys were talking LCLT, so I just threw BO in, for those unaware. BO is nothing like Premax, just to be clear.is LCLT in premax?
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