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bigsmall said:
How long into the run did you stop?
Did you try dosing 1 cap at a time?

I found it took me a good two weeks to discover that 2-3 caps at once gave me the same side effects you are reporting. I switched to 1 cap x 4 for a few days and then 1 cap x 6. Now I dose 1 cap most of the time but use 2 caps around bigger meals / eating windows.
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mase1 said:
Vector is great but had to stop from the lethargy. I would blame myself and say I was not eating enough but for me being tired all day just wasn't worth it. Never got the increased hunger, vivid dreams but did get great recomp and libido. Will say load size was reduced but that could be stim related. If I can get another 2 bottles if they ever go on sale I will definitely try it again. I would still say great product for most.
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Holy smokes, this lethargy is real. I slept so hard last night and had the most bizarre vivid dreams. I just came on this thread to see if anyone else felt like this and found these. I’m going to have to drop to 1 cap at breakfast and lunch, and maybe 2 for dinner. That sleep was awesome though...maybe I’ll just take 2 every night for life 😂
 
I had lethargy at the beginning of Vector and stopped and started and had to stop again. What worked was dosing 3 caps for about 2 weeks and then adding a cap every few days. Bam, no lethargy. I have been using Vector non stop since it came out. Great product.
 
Ptlhains said:
I had lethargy at the beginning of Vector and stopped and started and had to stop again. What worked was dosing 3 caps for about 2 weeks and then adding a cap every few days. Bam, no lethargy. I have been using Vector non stop since it came out. Great product.
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Do you notice the lethargy acutely with each dosing, so dosing 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch, then 2 with dinner? Or would that 2 with dinner bleed into the next day?

This lethargy reminded me of Mk-677!
 
GreenMachineX said:
Do you notice the lethargy acutely with each dosing, so dosing 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch, then 2 with dinner? Or would that 2 with dinner bleed into the next day?

This lethargy reminded me of Mk-677!
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No, I just noticed after a couple days at 6 caps that I felt lethargic overall (like many hours after dosing) and after 5-6 days, I could not take it anymore. Yes, just like MK-677 lethargy - exactly. I thought I may have 'had something', so I tried again a month later and the same thing happened. The third time, I went with 2-3 caps a day (two caps now that I think about it) for about 1.5 weeks, then added 1 more cap every 4-5 days. I had no lethargy at all with this dosing at all and next time I ran it - with a month break, I could go with 6 caps out of the gate with no problem. I would really try 2 x 1 caps for a week before adding another cap every 4 or so days. Hope that helps!
 
Ptlhains said:
No, I just noticed after a couple days at 6 caps that I felt lethargic overall (like many hours after dosing) and after 5-6 days, I could not take it anymore. Yes, just like MK-677 lethargy - exactly. I thought I may have 'had something', so I tried again a month later and the same thing happened. The third time, I went with 2-3 caps a day (two caps now that I think about it) for about 1.5 weeks, then added 1 more cap every 4-5 days. I had no lethargy at all with this dosing at all and next time I ran it - with a month break, I could go with 6 caps out of the gate with no problem. I would really try 2 x 1 caps for a week before adding another cap every 4 or so days. Hope that helps!
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Right on. Well, I’ll go with 1 with each meal for now (3 per day) and report back. Thanks man.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Right on. Well, I’ll go with 1 with each meal for now (3 per day) and report back. Thanks man.
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Good luck brother. I was glad I stayed with it - I have been using Vector (and Folidrone and BMP) almost exclusively since they came out and, at 53 yrs old, I am stronger and in better shape as a powerlifter than I was 15-20 years ago. Making PR's on my major lifts 2-3 times a year for the past 3 years.
 
Ptlhains said:
Good luck brother. I was glad I stayed with it - I have been using Vector (and Folidrone and BMP) almost exclusively since they came out and, at 53 yrs old, I am stronger and in better shape as a powerlifter than I was 15-20 years ago. Making PR's on my major lifts 2-3 times a year for the past 3 years.
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Well, I decided to stop 😂
Maybe I’ll try again later, but along with the deep sleep, both nights I’ve woken up feeling like I wasn’t breathing...like I had just not taken a breath for way too long. I didn’t mention it yesterday because I figured it was a fluke, but again last night was enough for me to just put the brakes on for a minute.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Well, I decided to stop
Maybe I’ll try again later, but along with the deep sleep, both nights I’ve woken up feeling like I wasn’t breathing...like I had just not taken a breath for way too long. I didn’t mention it yesterday because I figured it was a fluke, but again last night was enough for me to just put the brakes on for a minute.
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Good idea.
 
Ptlhains said:
Good luck brother. I was glad I stayed with it - I have been using Vector (and Folidrone and BMP) almost exclusively since they came out and, at 53 yrs old, I am stronger and in better shape as a powerlifter than I was 15-20 years ago. Making PR's on my major lifts 2-3 times a year for the past 3 years.
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Wow! What a great testament to the effectiveness of the FD2 and Vector combo. Keep at it brother!
 
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Ptlhains said:
Good luck brother. I was glad I stayed with it - I have been using Vector (and Folidrone and BMP) almost exclusively since they came out and, at 53 yrs old, I am stronger and in better shape as a powerlifter than I was 15-20 years ago. Making PR's on my major lifts 2-3 times a year for the past 3 years.
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You still taking that combo?
 
Jeremyk1 said:
It literally says in the link you quoted. New extracts and a new bioavailability boosting blend.
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Extracts look the same only difference is bioavailability complex
 

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alvin1 said:
What the difference between v1 and v2?
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Ill post a detailed updated writeup but while it looks very similar its drastically improved. Here is a short list of the deets.
1. Same plants of origin for the 3 main ingredients but each one is actually a blend of extracts from these plants. This gives us exceptionally high percentages of the target actives. So instead of mostly random mg of each we have viable doses of the main chemical components. MUCH more powerful.
2. We added BioX which is our trademarked bioavailability complex. Its important to understand that just adding piperine or astragin to everything doesnt work. This is because every chemical has different pharmakonetics and different metabolic pathways in which its eliminated or converted to metabolites etc. IN some cases the metabolite IS the active. BioX covers all the bases allowing for all of the actives to have maximum effect.

Its like taking 20 caps of optimized vector1

The other benefit is if you take with other supplements BioX will increase their bioavailablity most likely as well because it works on most bioavailability limitations.
 
brundel said:
Ill post a detailed updated writeup but while it looks very similar its drastically improved. Here is a short list of the deets.
1. Same plants of origin for the 3 main ingredients but each one is actually a blend of extracts from these plants. This gives us exceptionally high percentages of the target actives. So instead of mostly random mg of each we have viable doses of the main chemical components. MUCH more powerful.
2. We added BioX which is our trademarked bioavailability complex. Its important to understand that just adding piperine or astragin to everything doesnt work. This is because every chemical has different pharmakonetics and different metabolic pathways in which its eliminated or converted to metabolites etc. IN some cases the metabolite IS the active. BioX covers all the bases allowing for all of the actives to have maximum effect.

Its like taking 20 caps of optimized vector1

The other benefit is if you take with other supplements BioX will increase their bioavailablity most likely as well because it works on most bioavailability limitations.
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Looking forward to trying the new v2.
 
brundel said:
Ill post a detailed updated writeup but while it looks very similar its drastically improved. Here is a short list of the deets.
1. Same plants of origin for the 3 main ingredients but each one is actually a blend of extracts from these plants. This gives us exceptionally high percentages of the target actives. So instead of mostly random mg of each we have viable doses of the main chemical components. MUCH more powerful.
2. We added BioX which is our trademarked bioavailability complex. Its important to understand that just adding piperine or astragin to everything doesnt work. This is because every chemical has different pharmakonetics and different metabolic pathways in which its eliminated or converted to metabolites etc. IN some cases the metabolite IS the active. BioX covers all the bases allowing for all of the actives to have maximum effect.

Its like taking 20 caps of optimized vector1

The other benefit is if you take with other supplements BioX will increase their bioavailablity most likely as well because it works on most bioavailability limitations.
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Is a daily dose of Vector 2 gonna be "like taking 20 caps of optimized vector1"?
If so, I am definitely in!
 
Jbtwentytwo said:
When’s the expected drop date?
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Sorry I know its been a wait. The Vector 2 is ready but we are basically out of stock on everything else. So I dont want to run a sale yet. 100% we will launch late this week. Just need to refill the stocks a bit.
 
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