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Trauma1 and Primordial part ways

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Asmodean:
You've been a member since 2002, and you have a total of 13 posts?!
That's more surreal than this whole Primordial debacle, lol.

He's an old Avant vet, there are a lot of vets that lurk here on AM and no longer post for obvious reasons. I would like to hear your opinion Asmodean on the line-up when it comes out.

Thank you.

Honestly. i LOVE innovation... Avant was the first to have 1-T transdermal
(not the 1-dhea, the 1-testosterone) years before PP. Before you talk **** due to my post count get your **** straight. Even Rodja who is a PP rep used to be an avant rep.

Anyway. Would you rather be an OG with fewer posts or some new POS with 1000? No hate. im here for the innovation.
 
can i haz reps?
 
Asmo-- you took it the wrong way. I wasn't "talking sh*t" at all. I simply said it was surreal (as in twilight zone-y) that you only posted 13 times in 8+ years. Peace?
 
Thank you.

Honestly. i LOVE innovation... Avant was the first to have 1-T transdermal
(not the 1-dhea, the 1-testosterone) years before PP. Before you talk **** due to my post count get your **** straight. Even Rodja who is a PP rep used to be an avant rep.

Anyway. Would you rather be an OG with fewer posts or some new POS with 1000? No hate. im here for the innovation.

I miss Avant.... :(

I agree with your sentiment here as well. There are plenty of boards I lurk on myself and don't post much. It's all about the innovation that's put forth.



-John
 
Asmo-- you took it the wrong way. I wasn't "talking sh*t" at all. I simply said it was surreal (as in twilight zone-y) that you only posted 13 times in 8+ years. Peace?


Sorry to take it that way. There are just too many boards i read that do. I may try to post more when im more stable...........DOD is a bitch. I never know when im down for a while or not. I would put my self in for sponsered logs if it werent for all the moving around.
 
No worries, brother. Post whenever you feel like it. I just appreciate the fact that you communicate in complete sentences, lol.
 
This doesn't pass the smell test, and everyone knows it...no matter what is said, we're not going to believe it...but I will respect everyone's reasons for not going into why they are or are not a rep anymore.

I can personally say now, and I think many people may unfortunately may say the same thing, but I'll be on the side lines for a few months watching logs before I try anything from PP's new line.

Although I have these feelings, what I can vouch for is that PP's products in the past have been amazing, and I know they have the utmost intentions to deliver and not disappoint.

This is all too strange, not making sense.

I wish the best of luck to all the reps who are no longer with PP, AM has benefited greatly from their knowledge, and I hope you stick around and continue to contribute.
 
Can't wait to see what Monday brings!!
 
Wow, this mass exodus reminds me of when the whole LG team dipped... sorry to see some of you go, T1, Rosie, Resolve, Sean, you will all be missed. You were my go to peeps at PP besides my Chitown guy HTS. Best of luck.
 
Thank you.

Honestly. i LOVE innovation... Avant was the first to have 1-T transdermal
(not the 1-dhea, the 1-testosterone) years before PP. Before you talk **** due to my post count get your **** straight. Even Rodja who is a PP rep used to be an avant rep.

Anyway. Would you rather be an OG with fewer posts or some new POS with 1000? No hate. im here for the innovation.

Ah, the old 1 and 1+. Those were the days of glory before the '05 ban ruined everything. I was fortunate to be a part of Avant before they more or less imploded, but Par was just burnt out and nothing really came of the Avant Research line.
 
Hey Rodja you still with PP??!?!?................................................................
How bout now??!!...................................................................okay and how about now??!?!.......................and now?!?! :D
 
Wow, this mass exodus reminds me of when the whole LG team dipped... sorry to see some of you go, T1, Rosie, Resolve, Sean, you will all be missed. You were my go to peeps at PP besides my Chitown guy HTS. Best of luck.

I'm not going anywhere, brother. Just focusing on bigger priorities with my free time.

That Chitown guy is a good man indeed.




-John
 
Hey Rodja you still with PP??!?!?................................................................
How bout now??!!...................................................................okay and how about now??!?!.......................and now?!?! :D

I'll be here for awhile. I'm forging a nice little ass groove with PP.
 
:lmao:



yea, live and learn. some of us just learn a little faster than others.

You forgot those that are trapped under a uniform false illusion and never really learned anything at all...

Just sayin'

Let's cut the indirect shots out here. They're getting old real quick and certainly not what this thread was intended for.

I never used to believe that guys could be bigger drama queens than women until I started being involved on bb boards many years ago. It turns out I was wrong...



-John
 
Simple. You guys have done a fantastic job on these boards, and I look forward to hearing from you and seeing what great things you accomplish. There's a lot of people on these boards that owe you a lot of thanks. Life changes us all, you can see my activity isn't what it used to be.

All the best to you and yours,
Steve
 
Wow...
 
Something smells.. and it isnt my Shoes...hmmmmmmmmmmmm..

SO Trauma, Rosie, Resolve, and Sam leave ..... i think this just took the lead over JFK!
 
Primordial is definately losing some good people.

Family always comes first and good luck with pursuing your ARNP, John. Advanced Practice is where the future of the profession seems to be headed.

We look forward to seeing the respected advice and opinions of all of PP's ex-reps continue.

But more importantly, Trauma....ya gotta keep giving us those Jamie Eason pics! :smokin:
 
WOW.... I guess that explains why samboz never returned my PM... Best of luck to all of you
 
glad you'll remain active on the forums John!

Sad day for PP to lose some amazing reps!
 
Trauma's been a rep for a minute... but the others not so much.

either way...... Ive seen the new andro series ads before.....

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4-AD ester didnt work oral............. Why would 4-DHEA?

BTW

No hate. I was one of the OG Avant Labs peeps so I Loved when PP came out with transdemal 1-T and what not..... I just cant see these new additions from a chemical standoint.

I'll admit that the only esterified oral i've seen work was 1-T thp ethyl ester. But Andriol works, even if the doses required are pretty high. So its not impossible.
 
I agree with ALVIN, no pp products for me. I get my 5200 tax refund on Tuesday. I was planning on ordering 5 of each, not now. Really bad business. Stop the lies, come clean on what happened and maybe I will come back. I hope many people will follow. What a shame, I was like a kid in a candy store. Now I am like a kid on the first day of school, PISSED OFF.

Haha.

PP just got punk'D.

:)
 
I agree with ALVIN, no pp products for me. I get my 5200 tax refund on Tuesday. I was planning on ordering 5 of each, not now. Really bad business. Stop the lies, come clean on what happened and maybe I will come back. I hope many people will follow. What a shame, I was like a kid in a candy store. Now I am like a kid on the first day of school, PISSED OFF.

This is the last time I will state it, there is no conspiracy. I will no longer address this issue. If the changes to the rep team causes you to not buy products, so be it, but the insinuation that there is some kind of grand conspiracy is unnecessary.

P.S. Google's CEO will be stepping down, right as they were going to bring google voice out of beta. STOP USING THAT SITE NOW AND GIVE AWAY YOUR STOCK FOR FREE!

Haha.

PP just got punk'D.

:)

Not quite. :stick:
 
This is the last time I will state it, there is no conspiracy. I will no longer address this issue. If the changes to the rep team causes you to not buy products, so be it, but the insinuation that there is some kind of grand conspiracy is unnecessary.

P.S. Google's CEO will be stepping down, right as they were going to bring google voice out of beta. STOP USING THAT SITE NOW AND GIVE AWAY YOUR STOCK FOR FREE!



Not quite. :stick:

So dont address it then. But as consumers we have a right to be skeptical when the better part of a company's rep team steps down for "personal" reasons all in the same day. Its naive to think everyone out here isnt going to wonder what the heck is going on. Your lack of understanding the consumers standpoint, based on the circustance and how it unfolded, is also unnecessary. I guess its all about perception and persepctive now isnt it.

P.S. To use your analogy with Google or stocks, if a S&P 500 or DJI top performer had 5-6 of their top voices/ representatives all walk on the same day, that stock plummets. As does PP's due to this news.
 
This is the last time I will state it, there is no conspiracy. I will no longer address this issue. If the changes to the rep team causes you to not buy products, so be it, but the insinuation that there is some kind of grand conspiracy is unnecessary.

P.S. Google's CEO will be stepping down, right as they were going to bring google voice out of beta. STOP USING THAT SITE NOW AND GIVE AWAY YOUR STOCK FOR FREE!



Not quite. :stick:
Guys get over it, really. There is nothing wrong with PP or the Andro Series. The same thing happened at LG when I was a rep; one guy was let go unjustly and we all decided it was not worth staying and supporting a decision we didn't agree with. Are the products any lesser in quality, no! Will Apple go to crap if Steve Jobs has to step down permanently, hell no it will continue just fine. Outside of Trauma, none of the reps were part of product development so really all that is changing is the "sales" team. I see no issue here, timing is odd but think about this, if you are doing a huge push maybe it is best to get the team of people that are 100% behind it lined up. Let's do some maturing and see this for what it is, not a big deal. The Andro Series will be great as we all believe it will, that has not changed. :wtf:
 
Guys get over it, really. There is nothing wrong with PP or the Andro Series. The same thing happened at LG when I was a rep; one guy was let go unjustly and we all decided it was not worth staying and supporting a decision we didn't agree with. Are the products any lesser in quality, no! Will Apple go to crap if Steve Jobs has to step down permanently, hell no it will continue just fine. Outside of Trauma, none of the reps were part of product development so really all that is changing is the "sales" team. I see no issue here, timing is odd but think about this, if you are doing a huge push maybe it is best to get the team of people that are 100% behind it lined up. Let's do some maturing and see this for what it is, not a big deal. The Andro Series will be great as we all believe it will, that has not changed. :wtf:

Unfortuantely, I have repped you too recently to do so for this post. But thank you for bringing sense to the masses.
 
change instigates change!

seeing a few changes at a company at one time is not unusual!

I'm still confident the PP product line will still offer solid results...as it always has for me!
 
1st The former reps have said this has nothing to do with the Androseries project. They are stand up people from everything I have read and the help I have received from them. When you leave you do not air the dirty laundry and bad mouth the company. What ever the reasons beyond what was stated does not concern the public as long as it does not effect the product.
2nd PP Has made quality products. I will be purchasing the Androseries on Monday and if it is all they say it will be then I will say so. If it turns out to be crap I will say it is crap.
 
1st The former reps have said this has nothing to do with the Androseries project. They are stand up people from everything I have read and the help I have received from them. When you leave you do not air the dirty laundry and bad mouth the company. What ever the reasons beyond what was stated does not concern the public as long as it does not effect the product.
2nd PP Has made quality products. I will be purchasing the Androseries on Monday and if it is all they say it will be then I will say so. If it turns out to be crap I will say it is crap.

We never ask for anything but an honest opinion. It is why you will never see censorship on our forums. Thanks for the kind words.
 
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