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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

n8te, #s probably gonna go down getting off orals...

getting blood drawn tomorrow morning, should have results on thursday :)
 
I don't wanna hear that ish. We all believe in ya

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you can do it! haha
 
Dude if your numbers go down its all in your head. You're the machine remember? No one pumps out back like you bro, and that chest problem.. Looks like its not lagging too far behind anymore. Keep killing it and get yourself some ASGT (im telling you bro its where its at... just drink it fast lol)

In for Blood test results ;)
 
got my blood drawn this morning

the thing is, if this test is underdosed, then so was the other test I got at a different time from a different source... they both caused estrogen gyno, acne, and a libido boost so I am pretty damn sure they're both test, the chances of both of them being too underdosed to gain on is low. But possible I guess.

SC you don't understand how many times I've used SD, I know exactly what it does to my body and it's very hard to maintain. My diet is unchanged and again my weight is down to 235 today so I've dropped about 3 pounds from my peak weight. Simply put, the water/glycogen weight from SD is absolutely temporary, without SD it's not there, and so that's -5 pounds every time. That weight is also what's giving such insane pumps and creating that environment with mad energy recooperation which allows me to train harder and push more reps per set. Without SD, i'm just not as strong, it's a fact.

If i kept a lot of my strength gains everytime I ran SD, I'd be benching like 500 pounds now. But it doesn't stick around, no matter how hard I train it slips away, if i eat more calories I just gain fat. SD is a great kickstart, but it does not provide keepable gains, not for me anyway. Last cycle I did, running test certainly did help me keep gains from SD, although a lot of the strength still slipped away anyway, and I lost 5 pounds almost immediatley. Most of my lifts stayed pretty elevated and by the end of the last cycle I was definitely at the top of my game, I estimate 230 pounds 10% bf. And that's when I hurt myself and took several months offff... yeaaa.

Part of it is because I think i am getting close to my genetic potential so it's extremely difficult for me to gain LBM without adding fat, or maintain this LBM while staying lean.

I will keep up my diet and training but keeping the size and strength that you had on 30mg of SD is just an absolute fantasy for me. It's easier to keep more of your gains if you are well under your genetic potential but I wasn't starting this cycle at 180 pounds or 200 pounds but a lean 220.

As for my test levels being UNREAL... My hope is simply that my natural testosterone levels are high, which would explain why I blew up so fast and exhausted a lot of my genetic potential in just a couple years of natty lifting. So i want to get bloodwork done after my PCT (many months away) and see how high my test is then.
 
buncha knob gobling, panty wearin, hemoroid lickin ladies up in here!!!! cmon unreal blood tests are soooooo overated! havent you learned anything here?
 
mooch2321 said:
buncha knob gobling, panty wearin, hemoroid lickin ladies up in here!!!! cmon unreal blood tests are soooooo overated! havent you learned anything here?
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it's good to see you too big guy

this will be my first blood test of course, but it's not like i need it, my liver eats whole bottles of Superdrol for breakfast :bigok:
 
RESULTS ARE IN

and it turns out my gear is totally legit!

once again the cycle:
day 1-21: 20SD stacked with 30Phera
22-28: 30SD
29-37: 30Phera
blood drawn first thing on day 38
I'm on week 8 of Sust @ 350mg ew (started at 325 for the first few weeks)

i can't copy/paste it so i'm just putting in the more important looking ones

TEST / RESULT / UNITS / NORMAL RANGE
WBC / 7.0 / x10E3/uL / 4.0-10.5
RBC / 5.76 / x10E6/uL / 4.10-5.6
Hemoglobin / 16.4 / g/dL / 12.5-17
Hematocrit / 51.3 / % / 36-50

glucose (serum) 84 / mg/dL / 65-99
BUN / 20 / mg/dL / 5-26
creatinine serum / 1.14 / mg/dL / 0.76-1.27

AST / 66 / IU/L / 0-40
ALT / 65 / IU/L / 0-55
LH / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.7-8.6
Test serum / >1500 / ng/dL / 280-800
Estradiol / 63.7 / pg/mL / 7.6-42.6
FSH serum / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.5-12.4


OK basically AST and ALT are elevated just a little beyond the top range... and they are honestly better #s than I was expecting after 37 days on some combination of SD and Pheraplex. Testosterone is off the charts, estradiol is elevated a bit, and FSH/LH are in the gutter where they should be.

Really i was expecting worse liver numbers... this is definitely the hardest I've pushed my liver in a cycle.
 
UnrealMachine said:
RESULTS ARE IN

and it turns out my gear is totally legit!

once again the cycle:
day 1-21: 20SD stacked with 30Phera
22-28: 30SD
29-37: 30Phera
I'm on week 8 of Sust @ 350mg ew (started at 325 for the first few weeks)

i can't copy/paste it so i'm just putting in the more important looking ones

TEST / RESULT / UNITS / NORMAL RANGE
WBC / 7.0 / x10E3/uL / 4.0-10.5
RBC / 5.76 / x10E6/uL / 4.10-5.6
Hemoglobin / 16.4 / g/dL / 12.5-17
Hematocrit / 51.3 / % / 36-50

glucose (serum) 84 / mg/dL / 65-99
BUN / 20 / mg/dL / 5-26
creatinine serum / 1.14 / mg/dL / 0.76-1.27

AST / 66 / IU/L / 0-40
ALT / 65 / IU/L / 0-55
LH / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.7-8.6
Test serum / >1500 / ng/dL / 280-800
Estradiol / 63.7 / pg/mL / 7.6-42.6
FSH serum / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.5-12.4


OK basically AST and ALT are elevated just a little beyond the top range... and they are honestly better #s than I was expecting after 37 days on some combination of SD and Pheraplex. Testosterone is off the charts, estradiol is elevated a bit, and FSH/LH are in the gutter where they should be.

Really i was expecting worse liver numbers... this is definitely the hardest I've pushed my liver in a cycle.
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Nice numbers brah.. You know your liver can take a pounding!
 
mooch2321 said:
buncha knob gobling, panty wearin, hemoroid lickin ladies up in here!!!! cmon unreal blood tests are soooooo overated! havent you learned anything here?
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LMFAO!!!!!

UnrealMachine said:
RESULTS ARE IN

and it turns out my gear is totally legit!

once again the cycle:
day 1-21: 20SD stacked with 30Phera
22-28: 30SD
29-37: 30Phera
blood drawn first thing on day 38
I'm on week 8 of Sust @ 350mg ew (started at 325 for the first few weeks)

i can't copy/paste it so i'm just putting in the more important looking ones

TEST / RESULT / UNITS / NORMAL RANGE
WBC / 7.0 / x10E3/uL / 4.0-10.5
RBC / 5.76 / x10E6/uL / 4.10-5.6
Hemoglobin / 16.4 / g/dL / 12.5-17
Hematocrit / 51.3 / % / 36-50

glucose (serum) 84 / mg/dL / 65-99
BUN / 20 / mg/dL / 5-26
creatinine serum / 1.14 / mg/dL / 0.76-1.27

AST / 66 / IU/L / 0-40
ALT / 65 / IU/L / 0-55
LH / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.7-8.6
Test serum / >1500 / ng/dL / 280-800
Estradiol / 63.7 / pg/mL / 7.6-42.6
FSH serum / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.5-12.4


OK basically AST and ALT are elevated just a little beyond the top range... and they are honestly better #s than I was expecting after 37 days on some combination of SD and Pheraplex. Testosterone is off the charts, estradiol is elevated a bit, and FSH/LH are in the gutter where they should be.

Really i was expecting worse liver numbers... this is definitely the hardest I've pushed my liver in a cycle.
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Nice bro, that's good to know you're gear is legit too! also a plus you're liver is holding up strong after all those harsh orals..

Oh no, but now the n00bs are gonna be like, well Unreal ran SD and PP and his liver #'s were fine, i guess we can too. LOL. sad but it's true.
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did you get your lipids done? id be more worried about cholestorol than anything else. I had a guy who worked for me get his bloodwork done a few years ago after a superdrol run and his hdl was zero :scared:
 
UnrealMachine said:
RESULTS ARE IN

and it turns out my gear is totally legit!

once again the cycle:
day 1-21: 20SD stacked with 30Phera
22-28: 30SD
29-37: 30Phera
blood drawn first thing on day 38
I'm on week 8 of Sust @ 350mg ew (started at 325 for the first few weeks)

i can't copy/paste it so i'm just putting in the more important looking ones

TEST / RESULT / UNITS / NORMAL RANGE
WBC / 7.0 / x10E3/uL / 4.0-10.5
RBC / 5.76 / x10E6/uL / 4.10-5.6
Hemoglobin / 16.4 / g/dL / 12.5-17
Hematocrit / 51.3 / % / 36-50

glucose (serum) 84 / mg/dL / 65-99
BUN / 20 / mg/dL / 5-26
creatinine serum / 1.14 / mg/dL / 0.76-1.27

AST / 66 / IU/L / 0-40
ALT / 65 / IU/L / 0-55
LH / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.7-8.6
Test serum / >1500 / ng/dL / 280-800
Estradiol / 63.7 / pg/mL / 7.6-42.6
FSH serum / <.2 / mIU/mL / 1.5-12.4


OK basically AST and ALT are elevated just a little beyond the top range... and they are honestly better #s than I was expecting after 37 days on some combination of SD and Pheraplex. Testosterone is off the charts, estradiol is elevated a bit, and FSH/LH are in the gutter where they should be.

Really i was expecting worse liver numbers... this is definitely the hardest I've pushed my liver in a cycle.
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:jaw:

WOW!! Those are freakin' fantastic numbers for 37 days on orals. I've seen AST/ALT in the hundreds after 20 mg SD for 4 weeks. Your liver is without a doubt UNREAL. No lipid numbers?

Test looks legit too, I just wish they'd give you the real number. Some labs will actually tell you the ng/dl amount; some guy was running test and had BW drawn, and it can back in the 3500s ng/dl, ref range of 300-1000. But in any event, at least we know the sust is GTG.

That being the case, I guess it's up to you on where you want to go with this. You may be at a point where, even on test, you can't add appreciable mass without a larger kcal surplus. Perhaps dirty up the diet a bit, up the sust dose, and be willing to add some fat in the pursuit of mass, considering you have T3/halo coming at the end to recomp? Either that or you are a genetic anomaly along the lines of much fewer ARs, or whatever.

Anyway, glad to hear everything is fine. Also, PMed you about that other thing.
 
I'd say it looks like your liver will outlast YOU! lol.... test is legit, can't complain i'd have to agree with dragon on this one maybe add in some extra calories.. doesnt have to be heavy carbs, up some fats and protein and see what that does
 
bro you need more ai,

that numbers absurdly high IMO get it into low 40s high 30s.

thats why gyno is a problem for you and your afraid of prolactin sides. drop your e2.
 
ok ok 1 thing at a time

1) cholesterol: Yes I am worried about this as well... i probably should have gotten it tested but that would have doubled the cost of my bloodwork. When I finish PCT I will shell out to get complete bloodwork done and make sure that my lipids are totally normal by then.
For right now i have still got some PP Toco-8... this is supposed to be good for cholesterol... I'll run the rest of my tub.
2) liver: yes I have a super-liver, i was expecting my liver enzymes to be about twice as high as they were
3) estradiol: yes crazyfool i haven't dosed my letro in a few days, dosing today. I am wary to make it too low because I have been repeatedly accused of using too much letro and told that's why I couldn't make gains on test.
4) making gains on test: yes Dragon i am thinking that the way for me to bulk past my current point is going to necessitate a higher bodyfat. When I was lifting natty i had no problems adding mass and more mass but that's cuz I was bulking at 17-18% bodyfat and eating, eating, eating... only like 4000 calories but that's a lot for me, only way I could get cals that high is by eating lots of carbs and as I know now, i'll lose my "lean" status real fast if i start munching carbs like that.
I think i could break past my current levels if i did some fat cycling and lots and lots of eating but... I really really don't want to have high bodyfat again... Honestly I don't know if i care enough to get any bigger than this. If i get bigger than I am now, I WILL look unnaturally big, i'd be at a point where only a dumbass would think i'm natural. I am a lot happier when I'm leaner and lighter. I'd rather focus on low bodyfat at this point.
 
Day 39
235-236 lbs

supps: no more orals :(. 350mg sust ew... 320mg mast ew (whatever that's going to do lol)
2 scoops jack3d pre-WO
dosing 1 cap Need2Slin w/ pre-WO meal, 2 caps post-WO, 1 cap in meal #3

SHOULDERS
iso shoulder press: 180*10, 230*8, 270*5, 270*4
shrug machine: 10 plates *30, 12 plates *30, 14 plates *25 (partner said I had 4 crappy reps on the last set so take the #s with a grain of salt)
upright rows: 135*12, 155*10, 155*10
db lateral raises: 40*18, 40*12
db front raises: 40*15, 40*15
db rear raises: 35*20, 35*15

Great workout... strength is awesome, PR's all over, ****ing killed that **** today.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Day 39
235-236 lbs

supps: no more orals :(. 350mg sust ew... 320mg mast ew (whatever that's going to do lol)
2 scoops jack3d pre-WO
dosing 1 cap Need2Slin w/ pre-WO meal, 2 caps post-WO, 1 cap in meal #3

SHOULDERS
iso shoulder press: 180*10, 230*8, 270*5, 270*4
shrug machine: 10 plates *30, 12 plates *30, 14 plates *25 (partner said I had 4 crappy reps on the last set so take the #s with a grain of salt)
upright rows: 135*12, 155*10, 155*10
db lateral raises: 40*18, 40*12
db front raises: 40*15, 40*15
db rear raises: 35*20, 35*15

Great workout... strength is awesome, PR's all over, ****ing killed that **** today.
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some fukkin great #'s there big man. heavy a$$ shrugs!
 
UnrealMachine said:
ok ok 1 thing at a time

1) cholesterol: Yes I am worried about this as well... i probably should have gotten it tested but that would have doubled the cost of my bloodwork. When I finish PCT I will shell out to get complete bloodwork done and make sure that my lipids are totally normal by then.
For right now i have still got some PP Toco-8... this is supposed to be good for cholesterol... I'll run the rest of my tub.
2) liver: yes I have a super-liver, i was expecting my liver enzymes to be about twice as high as they were
3) estradiol: yes crazyfool i haven't dosed my letro in a few days, dosing today. I am wary to make it too low because I have been repeatedly accused of using too much letro and told that's why I couldn't make gains on test.
4) making gains on test: yes Dragon i am thinking that the way for me to bulk past my current point is going to necessitate a higher bodyfat. When I was lifting natty i had no problems adding mass and more mass but that's cuz I was bulking at 17-18% bodyfat and eating, eating, eating... only like 4000 calories but that's a lot for me, only way I could get cals that high is by eating lots of carbs and as I know now, i'll lose my "lean" status real fast if i start munching carbs like that.
I think i could break past my current levels if i did some fat cycling and lots and lots of eating but... I really really don't want to have high bodyfat again... Honestly I don't know if i care enough to get any bigger than this. If i get bigger than I am now, I WILL look unnaturally big, i'd be at a point where only a dumbass would think i'm natural. I am a lot happier when I'm leaner and lighter. I'd rather focus on low bodyfat at this point.
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1) Good idea bro, reps on spread (seems I'm always on spread with you Unreal)
2) Really, I was shocked with those levels. Curious, was your ALP (alkaline phosphatase) in line with those #s? Or was it elevated beyond that? There is a school of thought that elevated ALP are more indicative of cholestasis, and as such are more useful for a methyl steroid user.
3) Tough call... if you aren't having symptoms, you're probably fine, but it obviously will need to be addressed at some point.
4) There are ways around it. Liberal use of olive oil, or my fave, coconut oil, can get you a ton of cals with little effort, and no carbs. I cook my eggs in coconut oil every day, and sometimes dip my chicken in it. But hey, adding more mass is your decision, although as lean as you are I think you can certainly stand to add a few points to your BF through the cycle and PCT, and slowly trim it off afterward. But if you've reached where you want to be... does this mean no more cycling for the Machine???? :shocked1:
 
hey dragon
bilirubin: .6 mg/dL, normal is 0-1.2
alkaline phosphatase is 86 IU/L, normal is 25-150

oh i will always want to keep cycling, you can never been too ripped and vascular. Being in the 220's and like 7-8% bodyfat, I want that 24/7

Dragon13 said:
seems I'm always on spread with you Unreal
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thats what she said
 
letro a few times a week wont kill gains nor libido with how high you e2 is.

30s-40s are high normal. should not inhibit any muscular gain at all.
 
UnrealMachine said:
ok ok 1 thing at a time

I think i could break past my current levels if i did some fat cycling and lots and lots of eating but... I really really don't want to have high bodyfat again... Honestly I don't know if i care enough to get any bigger than this. If i get bigger than I am now, I WILL look unnaturally big, i'd be at a point where only a dumbass would think i'm natural. I am a lot happier when I'm leaner and lighter. I'd rather focus on low bodyfat at this point.
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I hear ya dude, it sucks going from lean to having chubby belly on the beach, but all my muscles are bigger to so I got passed it. **** everyone if they don'nt think your natural. I personally want to be so big that I look like a ****in science poroject gone wrong, I probly wont get there having just started AAS at 35 : ( :(:(:( but I'll try.


So glad to see cool numbers on your liver man
 
crazyfool405 said:
letro a few times a week wont kill gains nor libido with how high you e2 is.

30s-40s are high normal. should not inhibit any muscular gain at all.
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exactly... his E2 is high-normal... which imo is perfect for muscle-building... i see no reason to raise the letro at all...estrogen is great for muscle building and increases the density of ARs in muscle tissue
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
exactly... his E2 is high-normal... which imo is perfect for muscle-building... i see no reason to raise the letro at all...estrogen is great for muscle building and increases the density of ARs in muscle tissue
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NO, his E2 is way higher than high-normal.. He needs to get some letro in him.. Just a tad would do the trick.
 
well if he's not getting any gyno symptoms i would say still no reason to increase the letro, the estrogen will only help muscle growth... i'm just not a huge fan of AIs, just because of how they destroy your lipids so much, but unreal def knows better than me what works for him
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
well if he's not getting any gyno symptoms i would say still no reason to increase the letro, the estrogen will only help muscle growth... i'm just not a huge fan of AIs, just because of how they destroy your lipids so much, but unreal def knows better than me what works for him
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Lowering estro into the 40s will not harm muscle growth though.
 
I am dosing just enough letro to keep the gyno puffiness away. My nips will be sensitive pretty much the whole time I'm on test; if i don't dose the letro for a while they'll puff up and get more sensitive, I take enough letro to avoid that puffy state in which the gyno can grow. I've tried to eliminate the sensitivity, but that requires much greater doses of letro which I think wouldn't help me out at all. So long as I keep myself out of the puffy state, I am good. Usually when I get off test, all puffiness and sensitivity will go away and I am back to normal. But while cycling, it's something I have to deal with the whole time. And yes I am wary of using too mush letro and trashing my lipids that probably suck enough already.

I am happy to see my test levels > 1500ng/dL. I estimated that at my dose they would be around 2000 but this is very, very rough since I can hardly remember any bloodwork numbers or which test doses they correspond to... there is very little bloodwork posted on forums. I would have expected more sides... acne or something... nope not really. Horny and sensitive nips is about the extent of it lol.
 
lol at the LH and FSH

i dont get much from test either.. i look at it as just somewhat of a frame or base for a cycle to allow you to run other compounds on top of it while your natty production is down. Most it does is keep libido and mood elevated

i feel like when im on test alone im just replacing my natural test with a synthetic version and at MOST blocking cortisol
 
Day 40
235-236 lbs
2 scoops jack3d pre-WO
still cruising on 350 sust 320 mast
day 3 of no orals :(


ARMS
Every pair is a superset

standing dumbell curls: 70*8, 75*8, 80*7
weighted dips: +120*18, +120*15, +120*14

incline db curls: 60*8, 60*8, 65*8
close grip bench: 225*8, 245*8, 265*8

standing bb curls: 115*10, 125*10, 135*10
cable pushdowns: 140*10, 150*10, 160*9

****ing raped the gym today... looked stacked, jacked, and juiced... Made PR's on most of the lifts where I was still fresh enough. Excellent pump, endless energy, was pretty amazing. Usually I peak a few days after the orals, but about 5 days off orals they clear and I start to lose... So i'll see how it goes on Monday.

PR's in RED
 
quit mopin and keep up them PRs.. You're the machine, machine LOL

5 dollas says you dont get too much weaker just eat more lol

just messin with ya bro your numbers keep putting me to shame. DAMN
 
SouthernCharm said:
quit mopin and keep up them PRs.. You're the machine, machine LOL

5 dollas says you dont get too much weaker just eat more lol

just messin with ya bro your numbers keep putting me to shame. DAMN
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Yeah bro it's not like I'm trying to lose strength, last time I came off SD into my injectables I kept most of it, but it's not like it's easy. These workouts take a toll on my body, I can't lift this way week after week, month after month.

I'll keep on keepin on.

chocolatemilk said:
Holy sh*t to your dips and CGB lol. Wtf.

How you liking jack3d Unreal? Notice a difference with it?
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My dips have always been a genetic strong lift bro... Seriously when I started training my dips when I was 19 or 20 i started with an 80 and within a couple weeks I was doing sets with the 100. Then it started to slow down lol...
CGBP my pr is 275*10 but that was doing it fresh, before weighted dips, WAY easier. It's really not that impressive, I am only gripping it a little narrower than my shoulders, and I take it down to about 2" away from my chest... any lower puts tremendous strain on my wrists

I love the Jack3d, i notice a big difference. I spend less time huffing and puffing, it really drives my energy into overdrive. Anabolics give me the incredible ability to channel more energy into any given set, allowing me to turn say 6 reps into 8 reps. The tradeoff is when I'm done with the set, i'm exhausted, it kills my energy, esp. moving this much weight. Jack3d greatly helps my energy regeneration between sets throughout the entire workout.

I have tried a lot of pre-WO supps and Jack3d works the best by far. #2 was Superpump250 which I used back in the day. The other ones didn't really work... And Anadraulic State just made me feel like i had chugged cinnamon ass juice and then brushed my teeth with steel wool... People were raving about AS but 5 out of 5 people i know IRL that have tried it have all deemed it so disgusting that it's virtually unusable... So no matter how many people tell me to try the GT version, I don't want to, because just the memory of the original Anadraulic State makes me want to vomit.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I love the Jack3d, i notice a big difference. I spend less time huffing and puffing, it really drives my energy into overdrive. Anabolics give me the incredible ability to channel more energy into any given set, allowing me to turn say 6 reps into 8 reps. The tradeoff is when I'm done with the set, i'm exhausted, it kills my energy, esp. moving this much weight. Jack3d greatly helps my energy regeneration between sets throughout the entire workout.

I have tried a lot of pre-WO supps and Jack3d works the best by far. #2 was Superpump250 which I used back in the day. The other ones didn't really work... And Anadraulic State just made me feel like i had chugged cinnamon ass juice and then brushed my teeth with steel wool... People were raving about AS but 5 out of 5 people i know IRL that have tried it have all deemed it so disgusting that it's virtually unusable... So no matter how many people tell me to try the GT version, I don't want to, because just the memory of the original Anadraulic State makes me want to vomit.
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Those of some nice lifts brother. I am very interested to see how the rest of this cycle treats you.

I will agree with you the Anadraulic State does taste like sh*t but I did like it during PCT. The new one I guess is supposed to taste better but I have yet to try the sample LG sent me. Jack 3d is good stuff but I have found that MST's RagNOrok works just as well if not better. Keep up the good work brother!!!!!!
 
UnrealMachine said:
Day 40
235-236 lbs
2 scoops jack3d pre-WO
still cruising on 350 sust 320 mast
day 3 of no orals :(


ARMS
Every pair is a superset

standing dumbell curls: 70*8, 75*8, 80*7
weighted dips: +120*18, +120*15, +120*14

incline db curls: 60*8, 60*8, 65*8
close grip bench: 225*8, 245*8, 265*8

standing bb curls: 115*10, 125*10, 135*10
cable pushdowns: 140*10, 150*10, 160*9

****ing raped the gym today... looked stacked, jacked, and juiced... Made PR's on most of the lifts where I was still fresh enough. Excellent pump, endless energy, was pretty amazing. Usually I peak a few days after the orals, but about 5 days off orals they clear and I start to lose... So i'll see how it goes on Monday.

PR's in RED
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GOD damn Unreal. That's a pretty impressive w/o. Nice dude:bigok:

chocolatemilk said:
Haha steel wool.. nice review bro. I'm definitely picking up Jack3d for my PCT.
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CM Jack3d is the ****. I love that stuff. Only Pre w/o that gives me no crash, and gives me GREAT focus/clean energy. I've never really crazy pumps from a pre w/o. But i just use them for the energy/focus and strength they give me. Good stuff brah!:32:
 
sh*t just saw this thread... and my interest is rising (no homo)

damn.....mad pills and like no oils. just like u i feel that anything around 500mg test/week almost = natural training.

idk it looks perfect at the same time i feel like i would run EQ along side with higher dose of test. or just higher test. but then again u knw ur **** best.
 
oh **** nvm i just read the thread ur already running it. lol i love orals too. damn those dips + CGBP, my tricep tendons would b killing me....was doing dips + 90lb x12 in PAIN.

ur crazy
 
GLHF said:
sh*t just saw this thread... and my interest is rising (no homo)

damn.....mad pills and like no oils. just like u i feel that anything around 500mg test/week almost = natural training.

idk it looks perfect at the same time i feel like i would run EQ along side with higher dose of test. or just higher test. but then again u knw ur **** best.
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Mad pills cuz SD and Phera actually work on me. I'm still amazed at my lack of sides for that run. 1 backpump and mildly elevated liver enzymes. Probably crappy cholesterol but that was expected.

Yeah test feels more or less like natural training... I mean it is slightly better... natty I will do the same weight week after week after week, it's retarded. On test I'll make a 1 rep increase like... every 2 weeks... lmao. Even on 1g of test last cycle, didn't seem to do ****. I dunno how other people cycle 500 and gain 15+ pounds, but I curse them.

GLHF said:
oh **** nvm i just read the thread ur already running it. lol i love orals too. damn those dips + CGBP, my tricep tendons would b killing me....was doing dips + 90lb x12 in PAIN.

ur crazy
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Yea... already running into the oils... They def. help me keep gains. Running off orals into anything is better than running off them into nothing but a PCT.

I my elbows/tris can handle dips and CGBP really easily, it's my wrists that worry me. I can feel the pressure crushing them on dips... last summer I was doing weighted dips with +135 and I kept pinching a nerve in my hand from the pressure.

What my elbows/tris cannot handle is skullcrushers, or else that would be my #1 tricep exercise. It used to be, I mean natty a few years ago when i was 19/20 lifting up again, I got to reppin 125 on skulls, then got terrible tendinitis on my left elbow/forearm and I simply can no longer do skulls, not with half-decent weight, I get shooting pain that tells me to stop.


Bit of an UPDATE... I am ****ing sore all over. On SD soreness doesn't exist really, on my extra week of Phera my soreness was numb, just 3 days off Phera and I'm feeling soreness like i haven't known in weeks. Moving such big weight has really helped, even my biceps are sore and they rarely ever got sore. Sore + food = growth ;).

Oya and my diet, has been great. I am erring on the side of more. Carbs still pretty limited after about 2:30pm, but i'm exceeding 350 protein everyday, have gotten close to 400 a couple times. I don't count cals, just my protein, probably almost 4000 now. It's very hard for me to eat this much. Meal #4, my tuna meal, comes when I'm not hungry at all. By the time i'm done eating tuna, I feel full of tuna, and it's a nasty feeling. After that I just want to nap. After an hour of napping I'll wake up, and realize I still have 2 more meals to eat.

Kristofer68SS said:
killer focking lifts UM

keep at it as long as you can.
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thanks buddy, it's easy to keep at it when I got readers i dont wanna disappoint
 
cardio today

weight holding steady so far. 235-238 depending on how full I am. Hardness is still really good... i dunno what's helping more, the masteron, or the need2slin with its carb shuttling.

Anyone else miss hump? That guy got me motivated. His ban was laughable... people that get easily offended by words used among friends on the internet amaze me... grow up.

Hump actually brought something to this forum that it's sorely missing, experience. This forum is full of noobs that know nothing, and come to me like i'm the god of injectables when i've only run test and mast. Hump actually had lots of experience and knew his ****. You get rid of hump, you make the forum a worse place.

But hey eventually every forum devolves into some offshoot of bb.com huh.
 
UnrealMachine said:
cardio today

weight holding steady so far. 235-238 depending on how full I am. Hardness is still really good... i dunno what's helping more, the masteron, or the need2slin with its carb shuttling.

Anyone else miss hump? That guy got me motivated. His ban was laughable... people that get easily offended by words used among friends on the internet amaze me... grow up.

Hump actually brought something to this forum that it's sorely missing, experience. This forum is full of noobs that know nothing, and come to me like i'm the god of injectables when i've only run test and mast. Hump actually had lots of experience and knew his ****. You get rid of hump, you make the forum a worse place.

But hey eventually every forum devolves into some offshoot of bb.com huh.
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Ever sense Hump was banned, Unreal has had to pull out the crystal ball for all the nooblets..

RIP HTC
 
I understand what you are saying. I had my DNP log killed because they don't want DNP logs on AM. We can run logs on stacking 10 injectables, but not DNP. Then we get banned is there is a disagreement.
 
I agree with you he had tons of experience under his belt with all the compounds he had ran. Next to you, that would have been the only person I'd go to for advice on injects and of the sort.... actually I did ask him one time for info about that and he was very helpful.

Who else??? Nos I would go to... Hump... Unreal... Edwitt knows his sh*t too.... Jasen's advice I'm scared will put me in a coffin lol but he knows his stuff too... Gamer knows his roids too but doesn't have as much experience as others. That's about it lol. 1 down is too many down.
 
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