The New Product Release Thread

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The Solution said:
Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
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Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
 
pyrobatt said:
Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
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Always like to see what the brains of the company has to say when they formulate and put out a new product. Your input is greatly appreciated not only to me but the entire AM Community. Thank you for chiming in.
 
The Solution said:
Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
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Standard pre. Nothing special at all move along looks
 
pyrobatt said:
Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
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I could be wrong but I thought thermolife held the patent for creatine nitrate...it used to be a popular ingredient until they monopolized it, imo. cheaper options and many companies didn't think it was worth the extra cost?
 
G-Fuel to get into the energy drink game:

Gamma Labs has confirmed the upcoming G Fuel beverage will contain caffeine from coffee beans, tyrosine, antioxidants, and vitamins. The product is releasing in four zero sugar and zero calorie flavors with Blue Ice, Sour Cherry, and the two slightly more creative options, Rainbow Sherbet and FazeBerry.

ETA : none given
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Mystery Flavor FitCrunch = PB&J which was pretty much guessed at the Arnold by many who tried it

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Fit Crunch has said it will use the Mystery Crunch angle again to tease and sample possible new flavors at events, just like it did with Peanut Butter and Jelly at the Arnold.
 
Sampled some FitCrunch at the Arnold - definitely delicious, was basically a candy bar with added protein. I mean something I would only consider peri-training, but very enjoyable!
 
Fit Crunch - PB&J = Best Tasting Bar Ever !!
 
DEVANS89 said:
You Americans are strange
Peanut butter jelly?


Just no

I’ll stick to tea and crumpets
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Peanut butter, with jelly, as in jam, spread, preserves... made of grape or strawberry. Yes. Definitely yes. It’s a sandwich, but this is a fit crunch.

You can keep your peeing strumpets.
 
Old Witch said:
Peanut butter, with jelly, as in jam, spread, preserves... made of grape or strawberry. Yes. Definitely yes. It’s a sandwich, but this is a fit crunch.

You can keep your peeing strumpets.
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It’s just one combo that has never taken off over here. Mind you not many really like peanut butter here either at least people I’ve met or work with
 
How can anyone not LOVE Peanut Butter ??????????
 
Rocket3015 said:
How can anyone not LOVE Peanut Butter ??????????
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Truth.

Well until you try this then youll realize peanut butter was just a warm up and doesnt conpare to this gift from the Gods (and I'm a PB addict saying this)Invalid Link Removed
 
The Solution said:
Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
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This. Vaso6 is at least justifiable, as who knows what’s the truth of Thermolife’s claims, but norvaline? There’s not even any promising human studies on it (in normal subjects). It’s not like citrilline, nitrates, or even (supposedly) Vaso6 that have promising human studies. I just don’t see the risk/reward ratio for it TBH.
 
rob112 said:
I worked as a manager at one of the big name supplement shops for 7 years and I can say this is all true. People would ask my opinion , I would be 100% honest and show the best pre based on what their experiences/wants were, and they would just end up ignoring and going with something that had lots of endorsements/popularity.
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Exactly when I worked at vitamin shoppe I would recommend a quality pre and people would always walk out with crap like NO explode or one more rep
 
DEVANS89 said:



It’s just one combo that has never taken off over here. Mind you not many really like peanut butter here either at least people I’ve met or work with
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Ever since we went to Europe last summer I miss baked beans & tomatoes when I have a big breakfast

If you’ve never tried PBJ, you really have to!
 
Some times I wish I didn't love food as much as I do !!
 
Rocket3015 said:
Some times I wish I didn't love food as much as I do !!
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I really love a nice thick-ass, rare-ass steak. Sirloin if I’m eating clean. Ribeye on a dirty bulk.

Otherwise it’s pretty hard to make my mouth water. I just eat because I have to. I don’t enjoy it most of the time.
 
Old Witch said:
I really love a nice thick-ass, rare-ass steak. Sirloin if I’m eating clean. Ribeye on a dirty bulk.

Otherwise it’s pretty hard to make my mouth water. I just eat because I have to. I don’t enjoy it most of the time.
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I enjoy it way to much !!
 
The Solution said:
Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
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Assuming they had this in the queue before all of that went down about VASO6...
pyrobatt said:
New permaswole label! Behold.Invalid Link Removed
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Not to nitpick, but 3 g vs 3.2 g BA? Just seems lazy, lol. But interested to hear feedback on the release.
TommyTuffGuy said:
They are re-designing their labels again? This is like the 4th time isn't it?

What's everyone's take on this formula...
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I honestly didn't know what I was looking at when I first saw the label design release. I'm assuming that on an actual bottle vs the digital picture it'll be more interpretable. I get that they're trying to break into a new market (gamers) and Mobi's all about that segment, but I question that direction for a powdered supp. Canned energy drink, sure. But I see this going the way of Elixir in the end. But either way, I give them props for trying to set a trend and will likely pick up a tub to try to show some support.
 
aaronuconn said:
Is Potassium Nitrate covered under TL’s patents? IIRC it is, but not 100% certain
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their patent(s) don't cover the individual use of KNO3, but they cover the use of nitrates in combination with any amino acids. So if you put KNO3 in a product along with any individual (or multiple) amino acids, you're infringing upon their patents.
 
DEVANS89 said:
When OL dropped Re1gn it was new there was hype and new ingredients etc

But I’m just not excited for levels
Just looks like a run of the mill formula that will get lost with all the other pre’s dropping or dropped recently
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I know I'm a tad late to this, but I'm just not a fan of the current direction OL has been heading
 
GNO said:
May I ask why? What about it don’t you like?
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It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
 
rtmilburn said:
It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
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No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
 
GNO said:
No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
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hard to argue with that
 
GNO said:
No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
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hard to argue with that
 
ValiantThor08 said:
So why not make a ton of the mainstream stock, and then a smaller stock for the niche class?
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You either make nothing or lose money per unit on the niche products. You need to cater to the masses to make money.

We are trying to strike a balance by maintaining a great formula without watering it down.
 
GNO said:
You either make nothing or lose money per unit on the niche products. You need to cater to the masses to make money.

We are trying to strike a balance by maintaining a great formula without watering it down.
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Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
 
rtmilburn said:
It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
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It’s the evolution of the business - it had to change to grow.

They broke out selling designer anabolics - besides a few bunk batches they made good on, they were very legit and innovative. Excellent niche “supplements”. But if you want to make real money your only chance is to stop selling grey area and make a product line that can swim in the current mainstream, which is cutthroat and highly competitive.

Guys like Mike Arnold will tell you how low the margins are still operating in the niche market. That’s why it’s niche lol
 
Hyde said:
It’s the evolution of the business - it had to change to grow.

They broke out selling designer anabolics - besides a few bunk batches they made good on, they were very legit and innovative. Excellent niche “supplements”. But if you want to make real money your only chance is to stop selling grey area and make a product line that can swim in the current mainstream, which is cutthroat and highly competitive.

Guys like Mike Arnold will tell you how low the margins are still operating in the niche market. That’s why it’s niche lol
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evomuse is another great example... stellar products, innovative, but 100% niche and sold to a painfully small market... thus why they're constantly OOS, without acpital to re-invest, etc. Its a barely-maintainable business model at best.
 
The Solution said:
Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
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A mistake often is made is thinking you, the member of AM, makes up the traffic and footprint of this site. For every one of you that posts, there are 1000 that are reading and using search. They find the info they need here then purchase as various outlets.

85% of this sites traffic is non members and they buy all over the place. Thinking you are marketing to only 3-5% of your sale is not correct.
 
I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
 
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