Peak02 has positive data when dosed at 1g per day for 28 days, given it does appear to have a “build up” effect in the body - people generally train 4-6 times per week and over the course of 28 days you are in fact consuming an efficacious amount of the ingredient.
S7 will publish their data on the ingredient shortly until then, I am unable to make further comment - but once its out you will understand why it is effective , despite the low dose.
The price tag is not crazy to get all these trademarked ingredients, at effective dosages as well as big doses of citrulline and taurine in an amazing tasting drink.
But at the end of the day - each to their own.
Fairly reasonable response, and I understand that different people will like different formulas too - so just because this lacks something doesn't make it good or bad. I don't like taking Yohimbine all that much but some people love it in a pre. I'd be miserable with a big enough dose.
Agmatine in preworkouts in 2019 is like arginine in preworkouts in 2019. It also has no worldwide compliance. The ingredients you suggested in replacement of the expensive ingredients we used don't make much sense to further any points since glycerol costs next to nothing. Agmatine doesn't work..
Read the PR release we put out to understand the new direction of branding which i call the evolution of branding if anything. It still utilizes the underutilized concept of storytelling which is popular in other industries but this one. This industry is based off a 2000 model. We're here to change that and be disruptive while carrying our forte of industry first ingredients and cutting edge formulations. Our model going forward is to be user centric and we have split the products in to hardcore series (with hardcore packaging) and a more premium lifestyle series. The PR release will answer all your questions though.
Seriously don't understand why people doubt ingredients with human data and praise ingredients with no applicable data like the ingredients you suggested. Try the product and i'm sure you will be impressed. The product is loaded and more advanced / multifaceted than any other product in its category
Are you making the case that agmatine lacks scientific support but curcumin does have the scientific support for inclusion in a preworkout?
I think it's hard to claim agmatine doesn't have benefits or work and comparing it to arginine and acting like it is outdated is disingenuous at best.
You didn't include agmatine. That's fine. Some people may not like it or get little from it. It may not be compliant everywhere. There are a dozen better reasons you could have used to make your argument probably. I mean, it's easy to get and cheap enough that anyone could add it in if they like it. And we get that sales and profit are a factor.
And while human data on agmatine could be better, the number of studies on the ingredient otherwise is pretty overwhelming. To just ignore all of that and real life experience because of a lower than desired number of human trials is pretty foolish.
I'd love to see the data you have on human trials with S7, PeakO2, etc. - sincerely. It'll be an interesting conversation and I may learn a lot.
