The New Product Release Thread

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Weird, works for me when I click on it in the mobile app. Let’s try this:

NEW PREWORKOUT - White Warped Loggers Wanted By CL
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309675
Serious question for ya, with cit and agma dosed at 3g’s and 500 mg’s I’d assume this is a two scoop pre. However caffeine dose would be pretty significant at 2 scoops. Is this pre meant to be stacked or a two scoop pre
 
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Serious question for ya, with cit and agma dosed at 3g’s and 500 mg’s I’d assume this is a two scoop pre. However caffeine dose would be pretty significant at 2 scoops. Is this pre meant to be stacked or a two scoop pre
Definitely not two-scooped. Counting the Infinergy that would be 700mg total! I would think even 1.5 scoops would be out of the question for all but the most stim tolerant - we do NOT recommend this.

Stacking - definitely could , with non-stim pres or other ergogenic aids like Green Mag/Might, Purple Wraath, GlycerGrow2. But even 3g of quality L-Citruline & 500mg Agmatine will make a decided difference in pumps - CL took a minimum effective dose approach to lower cost/serving. Obviously 6g/1,000 costs twice as much, but doesn’t deliver twice the increase in pumps, so to speak.

It will also be interesting to see how Spectra affects the experience - that will be new for me as well!
 
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Unless Spectra indeed turns out to be an amazing pump and energy potentiator that quickly gains some noise, I have to agree with the majority here and say that White Warped looks like a significant downgrade and a difficult sell to any niche in comparison to White Flash. If higher sales was the goal here, I would be more than surprised if that happened. No offense to Controlled Labs, and if this turns out to be a hit then I will stand corrected!:)

Have to give some points though for introducing us (or at least me) to a new ingredient nonetheless!
 
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Are these spectra blends the same as what’s in prekaged?


Because I don’t think it really did a fat lot of anything other then make the scoop serving bigger
 
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Unless Spectra indeed turns out to be an amazing pump and energy potentiator that quickly gains some noise, I have to agree with the majority here and say that White Warped looks like a significant downgrade and a difficult sell to any niche in comparison to White Flash. If higher sales was the goal here, I would be more than surprised if that happened. No offense to Controlled Labs, and if this turns out to be a hit then I will stand corrected!:)

Have to give some points though for introducing us (or at least me) to a new ingredient nonetheless!
I’m sure you’re aware, but great formulas don’t equal sales always. Especially because us on the forums represent a small percentage of a company’s sales.

Your everyday consumer may not care much for the White Flash. I’m genuinely curious where a bulk of CL’s sales come from (which platform), as White Flash was a solid formula. An issue with the preworkout arena in general is that it’s severely crowded. Hard to standout. There are plenty of awesomely formulated 20 scoop pre’s out there nowadays. The “premium preworkout” arena has a lot more competitors in it today then it did a few years ago.
 
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They are re-designing their labels again? This is like the 4th time isn't it?

What's everyone's take on this formula...
Curious as well on the formula. I gotta say this is the first label they've done that I like.
 

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C4 ENERGY NATURAL ZERO CARBONATED

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This actually looks pretty good and something I'll definitely try.
 
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Yeah, I agree with all that and I know CL is pulling White Flash due to lack of sales. My main point was I don’t picture any demographic getting all that hot and bothered about seeing Spectra on the label of White Warped and sales may likely be even lower than they were with White Flash.
 
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Are these spectra blends the same as what’s in prekaged?


Because I don’t think it really did a fat lot of anything other then make the scoop serving bigger
Turns out I have used Spectra then....good catch! I have also used Pre-Kaged and was underwhelmed.

I also find it odd how Spectra TM is a different, yet quite similar blend of ingredients when looking at the labels of these two products :33:

While I wish CL the best, I am really not all that concerned either way..
My eyes are on OL Levels anyway :)
 
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Curious as well on the formula. I gotta say this is the first label they've done that I like.
I hate the new label lol. BUT I really wasn’t crazy about the art of the recent stuff anyway, and more importantly Levels looks like a solid new formulation with real potential. Which is what’s going to sell it or not, ultimately.

On the plus, it kind of breaks them out from a dedicated design direction going forward.

C4 ENERGY NATURAL ZERO CARBONATED

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This actually looks pretty good and something I'll definitely try.
Dang they lost me at only 120mg caffeine. Flavor sounds great. Hopefully if it does alright they’ll bring a 200mg out to match the regular. I’m not considering anything under 200 for real.
 
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I worked as a manager at one of the big name supplement shops for 7 years and I can say this is all true. People would ask my opinion , I would be 100% honest and show the best pre based on what their experiences/wants were, and they would just end up ignoring and going with something that had lots of endorsements/popularity.
 
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Dang they lost me at only 120mg caffeine. Flavor sounds great. Hopefully if it does alright they’ll bring a 200mg out to match the regular. I’m not considering anything under 200 for real.
For people who like low-moderate stim, this will be great. Solid afternoon pick me up. Enough caffeine + tyrosine to boost mood a bit.

Plus they have other options for higher stim users (IIRC).
 

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Turns out I have used Spectra then....good catch! I have also used Pre-Kaged and was underwhelmed.

I also find it odd how Spectra TM is a different, yet quite similar blend of ingredients when looking at the labels of these two products :33:

While I wish CL the best, I am really not all that concerned either way..
My eyes are on OL Levels anyway :)
So does Spectra Orac = S7?

Spectra Orac is the trademark ingredient used in preKaged and other products. S7 is a different trademarked ingredient, but yeah the profiles look similar.

I wonder what the difference is?
 
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Turns out I have used Spectra then....good catch! I have also used Pre-Kaged and was underwhelmed.

I also find it odd how Spectra TM is a different, yet quite similar blend of ingredients when looking at the labels of these two products :33:
Unless we are all missing something here, why has this blend suddenly popped up in two recent formulas when it was already a thing back when kaged first dropped and no one made a fuss about it back then
 

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So does Spectra Orac = S7?

Spectra Orac is the trademark ingredient used in preKaged and other products. S7 is a different trademarked ingredient, but yeah the profiles look similar.

I wonder what the difference is?
Unless we are all missing something here, why has this blend suddenly popped up in two recent formulas when it was already a thing back when kaged first dropped and no one made a fuss about it back then
S7 isn’t the same as Spectra.

I don’t have experience with either so can’t give specifics from personal experience but s7 looks to be a bit more of a performance based side with increases of NO, while Spectra seems to be aimed more at antioxidant activity (although does also have claims of NO boost so I can see how it’s a bit confusing).

Both produced by Futureceuticals.
 
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l-citrulline needs less to be effective than cit-mal...glad to see companies switching to l-cit and dropping cit mal....
 

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So does Spectra Orac = S7?

Spectra Orac is the trademark ingredient used in preKaged and other products. S7 is a different trademarked ingredient, but yeah the profiles look similar.

I wonder what the difference is?
So s7 (if you can't tell from its name) is made up from 7 ingredients and designed specifically for low dose requirements to increase NO production. In clinical studies shown to boost NO by up to 230%

Meanwhile Spectra is a blend of about 30 different ingredients, needed at a higher dose which is primarily used as a potent antioxidant.This has also been shown to increase NO production but to a much lesser degree (from the studies it looks to be about 70% above placebo).
 
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So does Spectra Orac = S7?

Spectra Orac is the trademark ingredient used in preKaged and other products. S7 is a different trademarked ingredient, but yeah the profiles look similar.

I wonder what the difference is?
S7 looks more promising to me....only time will tell though. Call me biased, but you can normally depend on OL using premium and effective ingredients.

In my prior post, I was referencing how Spectra Tm was a different blend of ingredients in Pre-Kaged vs the Spectra Tm that we see in White Wharped. Just seems kind of odd :)

At the end of the day, I know what product I will be purchasing so I am all good
 
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l-citrulline needs less to be effective than cit-mal...glad to see companies switching to l-cit and dropping cit mal....
Stuff like this drives me nuts and makes me call bs on a lot of supps. A few years ago you had to use cit mal... over hyped and bs
 
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Dont see ingredients list- some kind of joke?
New website. Working on it. I'll get the facts panel though, gimme a sec
 
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Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
 
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Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
Always like to see what the brains of the company has to say when they formulate and put out a new product. Your input is greatly appreciated not only to me but the entire AM Community. Thank you for chiming in.
 
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Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
Standard pre. Nothing special at all move along looks
 
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Yeah I can speak on these if the study out of Sydney is what you're referring to. Is that what you're referring to?

Also about the vaso 6....I mean...they are alleging that it's no more effective than 7g of arginine. They also are picking on creatine nitrate plus many more. They basically try and attack all compound solutions patents. If I was a blood hound my snout would be out sniffing for another motive.

We believe in the new permaswole. It's a pretty awesome formula imo
I could be wrong but I thought thermolife held the patent for creatine nitrate...it used to be a popular ingredient until they monopolized it, imo. cheaper options and many companies didn't think it was worth the extra cost?
 
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Nutrabio putting Strawberry Lemon Bomb into 3 original products on their line after the addition to Alpha EAA

 
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G-Fuel to get into the energy drink game:

Gamma Labs has confirmed the upcoming G Fuel beverage will contain caffeine from coffee beans, tyrosine, antioxidants, and vitamins. The product is releasing in four zero sugar and zero calorie flavors with Blue Ice, Sour Cherry, and the two slightly more creative options, Rainbow Sherbet and FazeBerry.

ETA : none given



Mystery Flavor FitCrunch = PB&J which was pretty much guessed at the Arnold by many who tried it



Fit Crunch has said it will use the Mystery Crunch angle again to tease and sample possible new flavors at events, just like it did with Peanut Butter and Jelly at the Arnold.
 
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Sampled some FitCrunch at the Arnold - definitely delicious, was basically a candy bar with added protein. I mean something I would only consider peri-training, but very enjoyable!
 
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Fit Crunch - PB&J = Best Tasting Bar Ever !!
 
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You Americans are strange
Peanut butter jelly?


Just no

I’ll stick to tea and crumpets
 
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You Americans are strange
Peanut butter jelly?


Just no

I’ll stick to tea and crumpets
Peanut butter, with jelly, as in jam, spread, preserves... made of grape or strawberry. Yes. Definitely yes. It’s a sandwich, but this is a fit crunch.

You can keep your peeing strumpets.
 

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