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Peanut butter, with jelly, as in jam, spread, preserves... made of grape or strawberry. Yes. Definitely yes. It’s a sandwich, but this is a fit crunch.

You can keep your peeing strumpets.



It’s just one combo that has never taken off over here. Mind you not many really like peanut butter here either at least people I’ve met or work with
 
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How can anyone not LOVE Peanut Butter ??????????
 
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How can anyone not LOVE Peanut Butter ??????????
Truth.

Well until you try this then youll realize peanut butter was just a warm up and doesnt conpare to this gift from the Gods (and I'm a PB addict saying this)
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Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
This. Vaso6 is at least justifiable, as who knows what’s the truth of Thermolife’s claims, but norvaline? There’s not even any promising human studies on it (in normal subjects). It’s not like citrilline, nitrates, or even (supposedly) Vaso6 that have promising human studies. I just don’t see the risk/reward ratio for it TBH.
 
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I’m under this impression, but may be wrong
Yes it’s a trademarked ingredient and I love my prekaged! I always add a little hydromax and it’s a great hydration product to take first thing in the morning or preworkout
 
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I worked as a manager at one of the big name supplement shops for 7 years and I can say this is all true. People would ask my opinion , I would be 100% honest and show the best pre based on what their experiences/wants were, and they would just end up ignoring and going with something that had lots of endorsements/popularity.
Exactly when I worked at vitamin shoppe I would recommend a quality pre and people would always walk out with crap like NO explode or one more rep
 
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It’s just one combo that has never taken off over here. Mind you not many really like peanut butter here either at least people I’ve met or work with
Ever since we went to Europe last summer I miss baked beans & tomatoes when I have a big breakfast

If you’ve never tried PBJ, you really have to!
 
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Some times I wish I didn't love food as much as I do !!
 
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Some times I wish I didn't love food as much as I do !!
I really love a nice thick-ass, rare-ass steak. Sirloin if I’m eating clean. Ribeye on a dirty bulk.

Otherwise it’s pretty hard to make my mouth water. I just eat because I have to. I don’t enjoy it most of the time.
 
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I really love a nice thick-ass, rare-ass steak. Sirloin if I’m eating clean. Ribeye on a dirty bulk.

Otherwise it’s pretty hard to make my mouth water. I just eat because I have to. I don’t enjoy it most of the time.
I enjoy it way to much !!
 
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Surprised at the Vaso6 and Norvaline after all the information about both products recently in the industry pyrobatt did you ever consider swapping those out? Especially after the brain cells study on Norvaline and all the drama on Vaso6 with Thermolife?
Assuming they had this in the queue before all of that went down about VASO6...
New permaswole label! Behold.View attachment 180771
Not to nitpick, but 3 g vs 3.2 g BA? Just seems lazy, lol. But interested to hear feedback on the release.
They are re-designing their labels again? This is like the 4th time isn't it?

What's everyone's take on this formula...
I honestly didn't know what I was looking at when I first saw the label design release. I'm assuming that on an actual bottle vs the digital picture it'll be more interpretable. I get that they're trying to break into a new market (gamers) and Mobi's all about that segment, but I question that direction for a powdered supp. Canned energy drink, sure. But I see this going the way of Elixir in the end. But either way, I give them props for trying to set a trend and will likely pick up a tub to try to show some support.
 
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Is Potassium Nitrate covered under TL’s patents? IIRC it is, but not 100% certain
their patent(s) don't cover the individual use of KNO3, but they cover the use of nitrates in combination with any amino acids. So if you put KNO3 in a product along with any individual (or multiple) amino acids, you're infringing upon their patents.
 
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When OL dropped Re1gn it was new there was hype and new ingredients etc

But I’m just not excited for levels
Just looks like a run of the mill formula that will get lost with all the other pre’s dropping or dropped recently
I know I'm a tad late to this, but I'm just not a fan of the current direction OL has been heading
 
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May I ask why? What about it don’t you like?
It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
 

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It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
 

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No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
hard to argue with that
 

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No I understand what you mean.

It is a business though and the goal of any business is to make money. Competition in the supplement industry is fierce and it’s hard to make money with a niche product that only a small group of people appreciate and buy.
hard to argue with that
 
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So why not make a ton of the mainstream stock, and then a smaller stock for the niche class?
 

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So why not make a ton of the mainstream stock, and then a smaller stock for the niche class?
You either make nothing or lose money per unit on the niche products. You need to cater to the masses to make money.

We are trying to strike a balance by maintaining a great formula without watering it down.
 
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You either make nothing or lose money per unit on the niche products. You need to cater to the masses to make money.

We are trying to strike a balance by maintaining a great formula without watering it down.

Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
 
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It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
It’s the evolution of the business - it had to change to grow.

They broke out selling designer anabolics - besides a few bunk batches they made good on, they were very legit and innovative. Excellent niche “supplements”. But if you want to make real money your only chance is to stop selling grey area and make a product line that can swim in the current mainstream, which is cutthroat and highly competitive.

Guys like Mike Arnold will tell you how low the margins are still operating in the niche market. That’s why it’s niche lol
 
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It’s the evolution of the business - it had to change to grow.

They broke out selling designer anabolics - besides a few bunk batches they made good on, they were very legit and innovative. Excellent niche “supplements”. But if you want to make real money your only chance is to stop selling grey area and make a product line that can swim in the current mainstream, which is cutthroat and highly competitive.

Guys like Mike Arnold will tell you how low the margins are still operating in the niche market. That’s why it’s niche lol
evomuse is another great example... stellar products, innovative, but 100% niche and sold to a painfully small market... thus why they're constantly OOS, without acpital to re-invest, etc. Its a barely-maintainable business model at best.
 
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Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
A mistake often is made is thinking you, the member of AM, makes up the traffic and footprint of this site. For every one of you that posts, there are 1000 that are reading and using search. They find the info they need here then purchase as various outlets.

85% of this sites traffic is non members and they buy all over the place. Thinking you are marketing to only 3-5% of your sale is not correct.
 
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I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
 
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#1 thing it happens with are designer anabolics and spiked preworkouts.

Go figure.
 
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I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
The amount of people that talk about products here and buy elsewhere is enormous, especially Amazon these days. It's had a very negative effect on the industry as a whole.
 
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Just put a ton of SKU's on your line, and watch the smaller forum crowd ones collect dust besides a select handful that want them. In reality the majority on here want a highly powered and clinically dosed formula, while the mainstream market doesn't favor it to a large extent. Most of us on here don't see that, but when you run a business you have to think what is most beneficial for the long-term. Selling yourself to a small group on an online message board that makes up 2-5% of your total companies sales is not going to lead to a successful business or a ROI (Return of Investment) making formulas that cater to their needs.
Guess that is why I don't have a business.
 
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I discover products nobody is talking about, at all, and within two weeks of me mentioning it here it’s sold out. Every single time.

I actually had to stop talking about some of the things I wanted because I’ve shot myself in the foot too many times and lost out on it.
So true.
 
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What I don’t like is a company whose designer anabolics don’t work, but their mass marketed products are essentially a heart attack in a jar.

Call me old fashioned.
 
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It's not that the products aren't good, as they are. It just seems you've guys have cut out what your edge was, all to increase your bottom line.

Does that make sense. I can further elaborate if need be.
The lifestyle range (newest labels everyone is seeing) is formulated to ensure compliance, with each ingredient being GRAS.

You will still see our more novel “push the limits” type products in our hardcore line ie I am Supreme black magic etc.

Its actually incredibly difficult to put together effective formulas, that are feasible and meet compliance completely, to which I believe we have done a great job.
 
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Yo lemme get the dL on these spiked preWOs
Here’s a hint. Think of an old, banned, well known, and totally spiked preworkout. Then type it into google with the word “clone” after it and see what happens with a bit of digging.
 
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Aggressive had a Craze clone complete with spiked dendrobium extract. It’s gone now... guess why....
 
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Wild looking graphic's !!
 

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Allow me to reveal the complete and honest truth about formulations. Any brand that wants to make high 6 figure or 7 figure income HAS to:
A) get into large scale distribution to big box stores like the G store, Vit shop, w mart, etc
B) in order to do the above they HAVE to have formulas that are CHEAP aka underdosed and ineffective to maintain their margins. They’ll make something for $4 at 10,000+ units a clip, sell those 10,000 for $8, retailer sells it for $29.99 or more as a loose example.

Rinse and repeat.

There are some rare exceptions like if a brand owns their own manufacturing (factory that mixes all the raw materials, applies labels, and distributes to retailers) and in these rare cases they can get away with DECENT formulas... still nothing that is going to be clinically dosed or of any significant value to the EDUCATED consumer. But having your own facility to do this costs A LOT... 500k or more. So what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

I hope this gives some insight as to why we often see brands who start here that we LOVE ultimately pivot to conform to the “MONEY MODEL” described above.

Luckily HPS is not my first second or third source of income. In fact, I’ve maybe paid myself a few hundred bucks for gas money and a nice dinner out with my fiancé every now and then. I started HPS as a big smile face and thumbs up to the brands who sell out for money. Although, in all fairness that is often their ONLY means of making an income so do I get it? Of course. Is it right? Debatable. Is there anything consumers can do? Not really, aside from support the ‘little guys’ who have no need to sell out. If you want quality you have to know where to look and I hope more people begin to see HPS for that, like evomuse and BLR, for example, guys I have gotten to know personally over the years and are doing this for the right reasons with the consumer in mind.

That’s my 2 and a half cents. Goodnight!
 

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