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I would say this covers all the bases as far as an answer goes.I'm going to step outside on this one and say that if you are more concerned with adding lean mass then the bcaas are good so long as you aren't taking in 20-30 g multiple times a day, but if you are more concerned with adding fat loss, only after weights.
even if you are trying to do both, you still have a preference, and the bcaas will help spike protein synthesis, but also can spike insulin. So a plus to muscle gain, perhaps a slight minus to fat loss.
Since leucine converts eventually to ketones, why not use it pre-wo (stacking it with arginine, citrulline, glutamine, etc.) during the fasting window, and then do the BCAAs immediately pwo when insulin sensitivity. The only problem is that as soon as your insulin spikes, you cancel the pwo GH release. The only way around that would be to wait an hour pwo before taking them, but then that's when you refeed.I'm going to step outside on this one and say that if you are more concerned with adding lean mass then the bcaas are good so long as you aren't taking in 20-30 g multiple times a day, but if you are more concerned with adding fat loss, only after weights.
even if you are trying to do both, you still have a preference, and the bcaas will help spike protein synthesis, but also can spike insulin. So a plus to muscle gain, perhaps a slight minus to fat loss.
eventually as you try to tweak further and further you are getting to a place where spending a bunch of time, effort, energy and stress on something that will make ounces of difference over the span of a year. Sometimes I wonder if the cortisol generated in worrying about it doesn't cancel the effect of some manipulationsSince leucine converts eventually to ketones, why not use it pre-wo (stacking it with arginine, citrulline, glutamine, etc.) during the fasting window, and then do the BCAAs immediately pwo when insulin sensitivity. The only problem is that as soon as your insulin spikes, you cancel the pwo GH release. The only way around that would be to wait an hour pwo before taking them, but then that's when you refeed.
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I am right now, check out the training log...Is anyone integrating keto with IF for further fat loss gains?
And remember kids, for good Kleen advice, you can always rely on the "Kleen Help Center" for kids who don't learn so well and stuff!I like the Kleen help center lol...has a nice ring to it.
I did my first fasted training session on Sunday before football started and i was amazed when i did not turn into a pumpkin... I actually had an amazing workout after i got passed the shakes...I did train fasted a few times (way vacation worked out) and I felt a lot better the rest of the day when doing that and can HAMMER food post workout. Hence my Friday cheat meals of a large pizza & Pepsi with bread sticks :-D
Yeah I actually feel way worse if I train non-fastedI did my first fasted training session on Sunday before football started and i was amazed when i did not turn into a pumpkin... I actually had an amazing workout after i got passed the shakes...
Workout before work, 10-20g leucine or bcaas until you break your fast then carb up. You stuck with IF huh?Have a dilemma.
I'm going to work 2maro (double time pay) 7am-3pm. It's supposed to be a carb up with a depletion workout be4 my carb up (break fast at 11am)
Should I just try and push my fast to after work and do my depletion workou after than carb up until bed? Or just say f it and do it Sunday and eat 2maro per norm, high fat/pro?
Orrrr just carb up starting at 11?
Scivation xtend is my preferencegoing to give lean gains a shot. what product do you guys recommend for BCAA it said 10g at a time.
Xtend blue raspbery = awesomenessScivation xtend is my preference
SNS Bulk leucine.going to give lean gains a shot. what product do you guys recommend for BCAA it said 10g at a time.
Look at onepercentedge dot com for macro breakdowns. Yes eat everything in the 8hr window, no eat in the 16hrs, just zero cal liquids.I already picked up the usp bcaa. I got some questions, will be starting my fast sunday night. Do i have to take my total daily cals with in that 7-8 hr window. I was going to try an even split on my macros. Do i go over/under on cals. Going for a cut/ recomp
Do you think you will be able to after that long a fast???Hey guys, quick question. How long can you fast without burning muscle? I was thinking of fasting all day Sunday and train around 9 am Monday morning fasted. Would this be a bad idea?
I played around with fasting from Thursday night, until Saturday morning towards the end of my last "diet". I experienced no real muscle loss. However its worth mentioning I would come into a MASSIVE refeed, I would also "pulse" a pepto pro concoction I made up through this "fast".Hey guys, quick question. How long can you fast without burning muscle? I was thinking of fasting all day Sunday and train around 9 am Monday morning fasted. Would this be a bad idea?
How's your water intake?First day leangains fasted last night till 1pm today. Started getting head aches an hr or so after first meal. Now 6:20 still having aches any info i assume it has to do with insulin
I did for cutting but now im bulking using the old school 6 meal methodno one does this anymore?
Same here. I actually did two weeks of iF just to get back in the swing of preparing and eating clean meals to maintain the muscle I have gained since completing my season.I did for cutting but now im bulking using the old school 6 meal method
Same here....been doing IF since May of last year and absolutely love the results!I have been steady for over 18 months and it has allowed me to stay leaner than ever...
Self control mostly...Wtf do y'all do if like a friends birthday party dosent fit in ur eating window or like ur girlfriend wants to go out for breakfast / lunch ?
One critical part is to put your eating window in a spot that covers you most of the time. I'd worry less about how much before or after my workout my eating starts than what span of time each day is the most natural for me to be eating and will cause the least social stress. But an occasional break of timing here or there isn't that big a deal. But occasional to me is once to twice a month tops. Overall too I have the gut feeling that stopping eating an hour later for a party or something has less negative effect than eating earlier, just on how it affects total fast timeWtf do y'all do if like a friends birthday party dosent fit in ur eating window or like ur girlfriend wants to go out for breakfast / lunch ?
Same here. I've been doing it for many months now. I've never looked back. I love this life style of eating.I have been steady for over 18 months and it has allowed me to stay leaner than ever...
Im getting ready to start LG and I too Im worried about the Pre and Post Shakes. I train at (5am) and would like to break the fast at 11am... SO just want to make sure Im understanding properly... The only thing I would consume is BCAA's up to my first meal @ 11am? SO no Pre and Post workout shakes??Subbed in for an epic thread! I'm on LG now, been on for a few weeks, and it's great! A lot of freedom in eating during my window, and staying lean!
I workout in the morning (6AM), so it was a concern that I wouldn't get a post-workout shake in until 4-6 hours later, but that doesn't seem to be a problem yet! BCAA are a must though!
Any issues with muscle loss? I too workout at 5am and Im concerned about muscle loss?Amen, I do my training between 4:30-5:45AM so no time for anything but some aminos about 4:00 and some every 2 hours beyond until I break my fast. I also find that s shorter eating window is not a problem anymore for me. I can get my cals in 6 hours if needed. On cardio days if I am feeling a low day I may only have 2 meals getting me to 1500-1700 cals and be done. If I am not hungry I just don't add the last meal in or just have some cottage cheese.