Q and A for Olympus labs TR3ST

[ilgottengainz]

If there is no TD version or long ester out yet and no eta on either, how about making the doses lower and taking a dose every 3 hours?? I have a capping kit at home and could recap the tr3st into 12.5mg capsules, so that 75mg's could be devided into 6 caps instead of 3, and then spread throughout the day.

What do you think?? Too much trouble?

 

[ilgottengainz]

In fact f@@k it, the more I think about it the more sense recapping makes. I'm eating roughly every two and half hours so I can just pop 12.5 mg's with food. Wasn't planning on logging my current cycle at all but I'll recap the tr3st and run it along epi ( among other goodies and just update on how the split dosed tr3st works out

 

[MrKleen73]

Should be interesting, I don't know how much of a difference it will make but would definitely be curious. For the time it would take for me to do that i would have wasted the money I saved in giving up my free time to do it. So from a time versus investment situation buying an extra bottle and dosing more often and growing bigger works better for me. :yup::yup::yup::yup:

Also we are already working on the longer ester right now and our Transdermal TR3ST is not far from being released so there doesn't have to be a really long wait.

 

[Olympus Labs]

Should be interesting, I don't know how much of a difference it will make but would definitely be curious. For the time it would take for me to do that i would have wasted the money I saved in giving up my free time to do it. So from a time versus investment situation buying an extra bottle and dosing more often and growing bigger works better for me. :yup::yup::yup::yup:

Also we are already working on the longer ester right now and our Transdermal TR3ST is not far from being released so there doesn't have to be a really long wait.

True. Also according to feedback from valuable posters like Mystere3, running the higher mg caps less frequently over the lower mg caps more frequently poised the same benefits.

I think in TD and longer esters we can see different effects and use the oral for quick release pre-workout dosing that is so championed in the eyes of many including me who are using TR3ST.

 

[ilgottengainz]

I had considered another bottle... but you must have a much more understanding wife than me Its getting harder for me to arrange the supplement cupboard so it doesn't look like I'm running a black market drugs business out of our kitchen

Definitely gonna give this recapping a go, it'll be stacked with epi ( and 11 KT for a couple of weeks ).... What do you think to ar1macare pro @ 4 caps EOD to control estro without obliterating it?

 

[MrKleen73]

Since not going crazy on the TR3ST and also running EPI I think AR1MICARE PRO would be just fine for keeping things under control.

 

[ilgottengainz]

Ta fella

 

[TonyMaserati]

I had considered another bottle... but you must have a much more understanding wife than me Its getting harder for me to arrange the supplement cupboard so it doesn't look like I'm running a black market drugs business out of our kitchen Definitely gonna give this recapping a go, it'll be stacked with epi ( and 11 KT for a couple of weeks ).... What do you think to ar1macare pro @ 4 caps EOD to control estro without obliterating it?

Lol....so true.

 

[Gw44]

So.... What if I ran a high dose of tr3st at 125 mg along with dmz for 4 weeks. Would that be too much? lol

 

[g0hardorgohom]

So.... What if I ran a high dose of tr3st at 125 mg along with dmz for 4 weeks. Would that be too much? lol

Probably not if you have proper support supps and AI's. The man behind Olympus Labs ran TR3ST at 150mg/day with high dose of TR3N and Stenadrol.

 

[MrKleen73]

So.... What if I ran a high dose of tr3st at 125 mg along with dmz for 4 weeks. Would that be too much? lol

The real answer is that only you can decide that. How will you know other than trying it and watching your sides. We had someone take TR3ST up to 150 while running DMZ with no problems. However he was a pretty big guy. Bottom line is some people can run a bunch of stuff with no sides and others will get sides at minimal doses.

 

[Gw44]

The real answer is that only you can decide that. How will you know other than trying it and watching your sides. We had someone take TR3ST up to 150 while running DMZ with no problems. However he was a pretty big guy. Bottom line is some people can run a bunch of stuff with no sides and others will get sides at minimal doses.

Looks like I'm going after it thennnnnnn!

 

[Pride89]

Tr3st sounds great. But being a 19-nor could that produce prolactin problems ? And how is recovery from Tr3st since it shuts down gonatropin, LH and FSH really fast if i remember correctly ?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Tr3st sounds great. But being a 19-nor could that produce prolactin problems ? And how is recovery from Tr3st since it shuts down gonatropin, LH and FSH really fast if i remember correctly ?

Theoretically it could produce prolactin problems but check out current logs, it doesn't seem to be a big possibility. OTC supps like Prolactrone or Inhibit-P may help.Recovery happens just like after any other cycles. Run a good PCT protocol including a SERM and odds are that you'll be fine.

 

[MrKleen73]

Looks like I'm going after it thennnnnnn!

Excellent I hope you log it. If so put a link up in the feedback thread so we can all follow it please.

Tr3st sounds great. But being a 19-nor could that produce prolactin problems ? And how is recovery from Tr3st since it shuts down gonatropin, LH and FSH really fast if i remember correctly ?

It can, so far hasn't been an issue but if you are gyno prone, or have ANY existing gyno then you should definitely be looking into something for prolactin control, and keeping estrogen under control while on either of these products. As you know we have some great products with Arimistane at varying doses and will be releasing a Transdermal Formestane as well so the options for an OTC AI are great. As far as prolactin control there are research chemicals and GH products. Cheap way to control it would be get some bulk Mucana extract. Even better you could run our SUP3R PCT it already has a higher dose of mucana in it than Prolactrone does!!!!!!!!!! Not only that but during a long cycle it would do really well at the end or last half of the cycle to bind SHBG which will be getting very high by the end of the run. That makes more of the prohormones available. Increased SHBG binding to the steroids is a big part of the reason gains slow in the latter part of a cycle.

Theoretically it could produce prolactin problems but check out current logs, it doesn't seem to be a big possibility. OTC supps like Prolactrone or Inhibit-P may help.Recovery happens just like after any other cycles. Run a good PCT protocol including a SERM and odds are that you'll be fine.

Agreed, this will definitely shut you down faster but once shut down you are shut down... the recovery process is the same. The only thing that makes recovery harder is long esters making you wait until they clear to start PCT. That is not the case here, TR3ST is in and out of the system in no time. You can start PCT the day after you stop it. Any strong designer steroid is going to shut you down pretty good over a 5-6 week run. My personal opinion, not reflecting my companies is that you will want a SERM to recover from any strong designer cycle. Low dose EPI, and or Halo might be the only ones I would not use a SERM with but even then I wouldn't take the chance. A Serm and a good OTC PCT like SUP3R PCT Invalid Link Removed makes all the difference in the world for recovery.

 

[Pride89]

That's what i thought
I always use alittle Nolva with my OTC PCT also for the mild stuff

Now that 6-bromo is making a re-appearance (in EU that is) how would that be as an AI
Ive used formeron and love the stuff transdermal formestane is wonderful but whould be nice to cycle around with different AI's i Think ?
I know formestane gets better i longer Its used til it gets to a "stabel lever" (or how to say that)
But using transdermals multipel times, TD tr3st (when it hit EU), and TD form x2 ED must "fill up the pores" at some point ?
(Not that i dont shower )

 

[g0hardorgohom]

That's what i thought
I always use alittle Nolva with my OTC PCT also for the mild stuff

Now that 6-bromo is making a re-appearance (in EU that is) how would that be as an AI
Ive used formeron and love the stuff transdermal formestane is wonderful but whould be nice to cycle around with different AI's i Think ?
I know formestane gets better i longer Its used til it gets to a "stabel lever" (or how to say that)
But using transdermals multipel times, TD tr3st (when it hit EU), and TD form x2 ED must "fill up the pores" at some point ?
(Not that i dont shower )

I'm using 6-bromo as on-cycle AI (test at 200mg/day, TR3ST at 75mg/day, M1T at 15mg/day) and it's fine. Running 6-bromo at 100mg/day. I prefer transdermal formestane over it though but just wanted to experiment with it.

 

[Pride89]

I'm using 6-bromo as on-cycle AI (test at 200mg/day, TR3ST at 75mg/day, M1T at 15mg/day) and it's fine. Running 6-bromo at 100mg/day. I prefer transdermal formestane over it though but just wanted to experiment with it.

How is it different, if you can put a finger on it ?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Formestane is more potent.

 

[Gw44]

Theoretically, if someone was to cut on an epi and tr3st cycle, what kinda results would they get? Muscle gain and fat loss? Or would I be better off to bulk? Cause I feel kinda too chubby to bulk but too small to cut.. Idk. It's all mental probably. Haha

 

[EatMoar]

Theoretically, if someone was to cut on an epi and tr3st cycle, what kinda results would they get? Muscle gain and fat loss? Or would I be better off to bulk? Cause I feel kinda too chubby to bulk but too small to cut.. Idk. It's all mental probably. Haha

You would gain 3-7ish pounds of lean mass, and fat loss is diet dependent. Personally I feel like strong hormones are better suited for cutting and the muscle sparing ones (11oxo, osta, furaz) are good for cutting.

 

[funkd0c]

Theoretically, if someone was to cut on an epi and tr3st cycle, what kinda results would they get? Muscle gain and fat loss? Or would I be better off to bulk? Cause I feel kinda too chubby to bulk but too small to cut.. Idk. It's all mental probably. Haha

Just recomp. It'd be easy on that stack

 

[Pride89]

So i am stocking up to run nanodrol (methylstenbolone) and Tr3st (whould like TD morning dose and pre WO oral dose)

When will the TD be at UK retailer ?

Im thinking 1ml nanodrol split in two doses (1ml 15mg msten, so 2x 7,5mg) for 4 weeks
Tr3st 7 weeks
11-keto last 4 week

Nano 1ml/1ml/1ml/1ml
Tr3st 0/50/50/50/50/50/75/75
11-keto 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/400/400/400/400

Whould love to have TD tr3st for the morning dose of Tr3st for the longer half life and then maybe dose 25mg oral tr3st 2 times during the day. (Think it whould be perfect!)

So when to dose ? The 2 msten doses 8 hours apart, but together with pre-WO tr3st dose or more spaced out ?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

So i am stocking up to run nanodrol (methylstenbolone) and Tr3st (whould like TD morning dose and pre WO oral dose)

When will the TD be at UK retailer ?

Im thinking 1ml nanodrol split in two doses (1ml 15mg msten, so 2x 7,5mg) for 4 weeks
Tr3st 7 weeks
11-keto last 4 week

Nano 1ml/1ml/1ml/1ml
Tr3st 0/50/50/50/50/50/75/75
11-keto 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/400/400/400/400

Whould love to have TD tr3st for the morning dose of Tr3st for the longer half life and then maybe dose 25mg oral tr3st 2 times during the day. (Think it whould be perfect!)

So when to dose ? The 2 msten doses 8 hours apart, but together with pre-WO tr3st dose or more spaced out ?

TD trest will be available at JW Supplements probably about a week later than it's available in the States. We'll let everyone know then.

You can take M-Sten together with TR3ST if you want.

If you're going to run both TD trest and oral TR3ST, I'd take oral TR3ST only preworkout. 50mg preworkout is great!

 

[Gw44]

So, I know forma is the go to estrogen block right now. But I don't got the money for it at the moment. I have letro on hand though, and I'm getting a little puffiness. Not a lot, but I was wondering if anyone had a safe dosage to do for letro?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

So, I know forma is the go to estrogen block right now. But I don't got the money for it at the moment. I have letro on hand though, and I'm getting a little puffiness. Not a lot, but I was wondering if anyone had a safe dosage to do for letro?

Maybe MrKleen73 can help you!

 

[808bigdog]

I'm taking 75mg of TR3ST. 50mg preworkout around 1pm. When should I take the other 25mg? Morning or Evening?

 

[Spaniard]

I'm taking 75mg of TR3ST. 50mg preworkout around 1pm. When should I take the other 25mg? Morning or Evening?

My recommendation would be morning and pre

 

[abformulations]

I'm taking 75mg of TR3ST. 50mg preworkout around 1pm. When should I take the other 25mg? Morning or Evening?

I've been taking 100mg found that 50mg pre workout and 25mg post workout works good. Than another 25mg 3 hours later.

 

[MrKleen73]

So, I know forma is the go to estrogen block right now. But I don't got the money for it at the moment. I have letro on hand though, and I'm getting a little puffiness. Not a lot, but I was wondering if anyone had a safe dosage to do for letro?

Here you go this is copied from a post on Steroidology but basically has all the info you need.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Letro will be the most powerful Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don***8217;t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

(Removed a couple of sentences from article here that we don't believe is factual. Our apologies to the author but we must protect our readers. The mere fact we use the article over and over should show our respect for your writing.) If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your post cycle therapy (pct) so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular post cycle therapy (pct).

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can***8217;t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into post cycle therapy (pct) and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

 

[Gw44]

Thank you for the help guys. It's much appreciated for real! I got one more question, I'm running epi at 30 mg, and tr3st at 100 for 4 weeks. If I bought another bottle of tr3st and tr3n and ran that for four weeks. Too much for a ph cycle? I'll be running clomid at 50-50-25-25 with some natty test boosters for pct. I'm cutting btw.

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Thank you for the help guys. It's much appreciated for real! I got one more question, I'm running epi at 30 mg, and tr3st at 100 for 4 weeks. If I bought another bottle of tr3st and tr3n and ran that for four weeks. Too much for a ph cycle? I'll be running clomid at 50-50-25-25 with some natty test boosters for pct. I'm cutting btw.

It can be done but be careful with estrogen related side effects.

I'm on 200mg/week of test and 100mg/day of TR3ST right now and 4 caps of AR1MACARE PRO and 150mg/day of 6-bromo is barely enough to keep gyno at bay.

 

[Gw44]

It can be done but be careful with estrogen related side effects. I'm on 200mg/week of test and 100mg/day of TR3ST right now and 4 caps of AR1MACARE PRO and 150mg/day of 6-bromo is barely enough to keep gyno at bay.

You think estrogen sides would be awful with those two?

 

[Gw44]

It can be done but be careful with estrogen related side effects. I'm on 200mg/week of test and 100mg/day of TR3ST right now and 4 caps of AR1MACARE PRO and 150mg/day of 6-bromo is barely enough to keep gyno at bay.

So do you think I would see a large difference with these 4 weeks tacked on?

 

[Gw44]

Or any other recommendations. Haha. I do know if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna throw in tr3n. Might switch tr3st out with something?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Or any other recommendations. Haha. I do know if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna throw in tr3n. Might switch tr3st out with something?

Hefty dose of formestane or aromain and you should be g2g with those two stacked. Hopefully it's not your first or second cycle though.

 

[Gw44]

Check your Pm's.

 

[g0hardorgohom]

Check your Pm's.

Done.

 

[MrKleen73]

For me if I were running trest with tren I would have caber or prami on hand since both are 19-Nor, even with a little estrogen prolactin can make things happen. If you don't want to have to drop your estro way too low I would go with something to control prolactin as well. Alternatively dosing your EPI with these could help because epi might keep the estro from binding to the breast tissue. Epi has a much higher affinity to breast tissue so it would bind leaving the breast tissue starving of estro.

 

[uberjedi]

Need a pick me up while on EPI thinking tr3st is the way to go. With AM Pro and transform with Nova on deck should be good? Running both for 6 and cutting.

 

[jaycuda]

Need a pick me up while on EPI thinking tr3st is the way to go. With AM Pro and transform with Nova on deck should be good? Running both for 6 and cutting.

Looks good to me, planning to use oral or TD tr3st?

Oral shines PWO, but TD doesn't spike like oral and is more stable throughout the day. Both is the best way to go, but if only one is an option go with TD.

 

[uberjedi]

Looks good to me, planning to use oral or TD tr3st?

Oral shines PWO, but TD doesn't spike like oral and is more stable throughout the day. Both is the best way to go, but if only one is an option go with TD.

Someone suggested Stano. It is a little cheaper than Tr3st soigjt try that first.
Not sure if I would get the most out of TD. I'm only not sweating for about 2hrs first thing in the AM.afraid I would sweat it out and my work jacket would wipe it off.

 

[jaycuda]

Someone suggested Stano. It is a little cheaper than Tr3st soigjt try that first. Not sure if I would get the most out of TD. I'm only not sweating for about 2hrs first thing in the AM.afraid I would sweat it out and my work jacket would wipe it off.

Stano isn't comparable to Tr3st unless you run it 800-1000+(Even then) and at that point the price won't be cheaper.

 

[uberjedi]

Is the trest conducive to cutting?

 

[jaycuda]

Is the trest conducive to cutting?

With Ep1 or Tr3n, definitely. I like it more to reduce lethargy and increasing libido, which is why I'm a huge fan of the TD; the more constant it is, the better it does that.

It'll also help you put on muscle and increase strength. It may bloat you some though while your on, but that disappears a few days after you come off. I didn't experience it but I ran it mostly at 75mg and only hit 100 for 9 days.

 

[uberjedi]

With Ep1 or Tr3n, definitely. I like it more to reduce lethargy and increasing libido, which is why I'm a huge fan of the TD; the more constant it is, the better it does that.

It'll also help you put on muscle and increase strength. It may bloat you some though while your on, but that disappears a few days after you come off. I didn't experience it but I ran it mostly at 75mg and only hit 100 for 9 days.

I'll start at 50 and see how it goes

 

[strester]

Got some havoc I need to run before it expires ... Planning on the following stack:
Havoc 30/40/40/40/40/40
Tr3st 50/50/75/75/75/100

Formastanzol on hand and support supps throughout

 

[jaycuda]

Got some havoc I need to run before it expires ... Planning on the following stack: Havoc 30/40/40/40/40/40 Tr3st 50/50/75/75/75/100 Formastanzol on hand and support supps throughout

Looks good, how's your pct look?

 

[strester]

Usually do 5 weeks...

Nolva 20/20/10/10/10
Erase 0/0/3/3/2/1
DAA 3g/day
X-gels 6 pre only workout days

Would you suggest something different?

 

[jaycuda]

Usually do 5 weeks... Nolva 20/20/10/10/10 Erase 0/0/3/3/2/1 DAA 3g/day X-gels 6 pre only workout days Would you suggest something different?

Looks like you have all the necessities covered. You could swap the erase for Transform, a stronger AI.

DermaStrength has been taking off bigger than we thought it would. Doesn't cause shutdown or interfere with recovery. Going to be adding it in for my next PCT.