PROGESTIN BETA TRIAL

Kleen,
I'm noticing a little today. See tonight's update :head:

Also, I've been leafing through a few of your logs and like your routine. I think I'll have a few questions once I look over your philosophy more thoroughly.

Day 7

Tuesday May 17 2011

I'm noticing a hint of "steroid pump" today. Forearm vascularity is increased and overall upper body fullness is noticeable. Appetite is up a bit. I'm not changing my diet much, but I have been breaking up my meals so that I'm eating more frequently.

Sleep patterns have been erratic over the past few nights. That's a problem for me even when I'm not on anything, so I suppose that doesn't reveal anything for you guys.

Looking forward to tomorrow's lat workout. I plan on starting with a bit of cardio then at least 2 different pullup variations. If I'm outta juice at that point, I'll finish off with straight arm pulldowns or maybe a fun atypical 1 arm pulldown variation.
 
Great log so far! Things look to be going great :bigok:
 
celc5 said:
Kleen,
I'm noticing a little today. See tonight's update :head:

Also, I've been leafing through a few of your logs and like your routine. I think I'll have a few questions once I look over your philosophy more thoroughly.

Day 7

Tuesday May 17 2011

I'm noticing a hint of "steroid pump" today. Forearm vascularity is increased and overall upper body fullness is noticeable. Appetite is up a bit. I'm not changing my diet much, but I have been breaking up my meals so that I'm eating more frequently.

Sleep patterns have been erratic over the past few nights. That's a problem for me even when I'm not on anything, so I suppose that doesn't reveal anything for you guys.

Looking forward to tomorrow's lat workout. I plan on starting with a bit of cardio then at least 2 different pullup variations. If I'm outta juice at that point, I'll finish off with straight arm pulldowns or maybe a fun atypical 1 arm pulldown variation.
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i still think around day 10 is when the shiit hits the fan-nice to see you are getting positive results.
 
Good stuff Celc! I have been pretty vascular recently too. It is hard to say yet if just from my diet which has been working very well for me for the past little bit or if it is related to the Progestin. I think as BigT mentioned there will be a lot more to tell perhaps after this weekend. I wshould also be able to tell if any strength increase tomorrow since I did upper body on Saturday, I am going to use exactly the same warm up and progression on my bench press which I failed during my second work set. If I am able to complete the work set which is 2 more reps then I think I can say for sure strength is increasing at supra-physiological levels. I don't have any doubt I could get an extra rep on my own this time but to get to 2 more would be a true bit of proof.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good stuff Celc! I have been pretty vascular recently too. It is hard to say yet if just from my diet which has been working very well for me for the past little bit or if it is related to the Progestin. I think as BigT mentioned there will be a lot more to tell perhaps after this weekend. I wshould also be able to tell if any strength increase tomorrow since I did upper body on Saturday, I am going to use exactly the same warm up and progression on my bench press which I failed during my second work set. If I am able to complete the work set which is 2 more reps then I think I can say for sure strength is increasing at supra-physiological levels. I don't have any doubt I could get an extra rep on my own this time but to get to 2 more would be a true bit of proof.
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hope you get those 2 reps-and then 1 more.:bigok:
 
Rick,
thanks man. Once things get rolling with this compound, feel free to jump in with any questions or suggestions :cheers:

Kleen,
Hard numbers tell the truth. I have a few key lifts that I like to mention during my cycle summary to note strength gains too. We're on the same page!

Day 9

Thursday May 19 2011

I had a nice pullup workout last night. Forearm vascularity was apparent, while bicep and lat hardness/fullness was also slightly enhanced.

I feel like I look good in the mirror, but body comp numbers aren't agreeing with that. I gained 2.5 pounds in the first 7 days, with just under 2 of that being fat. Exact numbers are in post #1.
 
Have you had any BP differences? Night sweats? Sleep issues? Appetite increases or cravings? Third degree I know...
 
celc5 said:
Rick,
thanks man. Once things get rolling with this compound, feel free to jump in with any questions or suggestions :cheers:

Kleen,
Hard numbers tell the truth. I have a few key lifts that I like to mention during my cycle summary to note strength gains too. We're on the same page!

Day 9

Thursday May 19 2011

I had a nice pullup workout last night. Forearm vascularity was apparent, while bicep and lat hardness/fullness was also slightly enhanced.

I feel like I look good in the mirror, but body comp numbers aren't agreeing with that. I gained 2.5 pounds in the first 7 days, with just under 2 of that being fat. Exact numbers are in post #1.
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Random drop-in here Celc. Don't read to much into body comp numbers during such a short time span. Biggest thing is to track your millimetere's and look at those comparetively. Just look at body weight and other measurements every 14 days...this'll give you a much better idea bro.
 
celc5 said:
Rick,
thanks man. Once things get rolling with this compound, feel free to jump in with any questions or suggestions :cheers:

Kleen,
Hard numbers tell the truth. I have a few key lifts that I like to mention during my cycle summary to note strength gains too. We're on the same page!

Day 9

Thursday May 19 2011

I had a nice pullup workout last night. Forearm vascularity was apparent, while bicep and lat hardness/fullness was also slightly enhanced.

I feel like I look good in the mirror, but body comp numbers aren't agreeing with that. I gained 2.5 pounds in the first 7 days, with just under 2 of that being fat. Exact numbers are in post #1.
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Interesting, I looked at the numbers. Not sure what to make of them. From what you are describing in the mirror they don't make too much sense. Although being half an inch from where you measured last can add a couple mm to a pinch. I hate that my first weigh in was a bit faulty so I will have a hard time guaging my weight increase. It showed me at 195 but could not get the scale to true up and had been sitting around 198-200, then I go on Monday and they have fixed the scale and it shows 195.5 3 days in. So I am guessing I was about 198.5-190 when I started. Definitely leaner now. My diet rocks for recomp too so I can't wait to see where I land with this.
SonicSWOLE said:
Random drop-in here Celc. Don't read to much into body comp numbers during such a short time span. Biggest thing is to track your millimetere's and look at those comparetively. Just look at body weight and other measurements every 14 days...this'll give you a much better idea bro.
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Exactly, I agree unfortunately with these products we need to give more frequent weigh ins for the log since in testing. So the measurements get a chance to get into our heads. However like I said above I know I am leaner and at a minimum the same weight as when I started.
 
AZ,
yes BP went up a few times in the middle of the night, but nothing fierce worth noting. Now if I get the Phera 170/110 numbers that I've seen before, it'll be sure to be noted in bold :run:

Sleep patterns have been eratic. At the same time, just take a look at any of my logs you'll see that sleep is my downfall. I'm a systematic educated man, but have NO IDEA how to fall asleep or stay asleep. Don't judge anything when I say my sleep patterns are poor because they always are... even after trying every sleep aide combination on the market and even after mixing up cokctails with my physician

Appetite is just starting to increase a notch. Good timing with the question because I was going to mention that today anyhow :D

Kleen,
an unusually light weigh in on day one may have skewed numbers. It's also possible that I was holding some water for my second set of stats after several SALTY weekend meals, thus just nudging the skinfolds a bit.

Sonic,
now that's a pleasant drop in when you're visiting my log :cheers: Glad to hear your input and I agree. No need to read into the numbers just yet. It's a habit that I simply like to keep up with when logging.
 
celc5 said:
AZ,
yes BP went up a few times in the middle of the night, but nothing fierce worth noting. Now if I get the Phera 170/110 numbers that I've seen before, it'll be sure to be noted in bold :run:

Sleep patterns have been eratic. At the same time, just take a look at any of my logs you'll see that sleep is my downfall. I'm a systematic educated man, but have NO IDEA how to fall asleep or stay asleep. Don't judge anything when I say my sleep patterns are poor because they always are... even after trying every sleep aide combination on the market and even after mixing up cokctails with my physician

Appetite is just starting to increase a notch. Good timing with the question because I was going to mention that today anyhow :D

Kleen,
an unusually light weigh in on day one may have skewed numbers. It's also possible that I was holding some water for my second set of stats after several SALTY weekend meals, thus just nudging the skinfolds a bit.

Sonic,
now that's a pleasant drop in when you're visiting my log :cheers: Glad to hear your input and I agree. No need to read into the numbers just yet. It's a habit that I simply like to keep up with when logging.
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very detailed stuff here, thanks celc!!!:bigok:
 
Ok I finally made it, you can really start logging this now.
 
Day 11

Saturday May 21 2011

Power in the bedroom frequently shifts back and forth between my wife and I. Last night she got on top to take control, which I do like on occasion. But alpha male kicked in big time. She definitely noticed and straight out said "i just got plowed even though I got on top." So ya, enhanced bedroom performance noted

Just had a real strong leg day this afternoon. I really love the feel of deadlifts, probably bc its one of the only major powermoves that does not aggravate any of my injuries.

Overall, I feel solid and hard and I'm looking forward to assesing week 2 body comp measures in a few days.
 
Good stuff Celc! My libido has just recently kicked in too.
 
Kleen,
I still never read your logs as strictly as I need to. Every time I intend too, I get distracted by shiny things and loose my focus :fool2: I'm real interested in your no nonsense training philosophy.

Day 13

Monday, May 23, 2011

People were starting to notice the changes in my body over the weekend. I had a few compliments on how my chest looked during/after yesterday's chest workout. I don't think I was any stronger, but the contractions were very isolated even during presses. I even felt like my pecs were gonna cramp a few times. I suspect that I'm going to start to get a few extra reps and maybe 5 pounds here and there this week.

Wifey also made note of my abs while pregaming for the bedroom workout. I was sitting around 15 % bodyfat the last 2 weeks, and we all know that's too high for abs. So maybe there's some leaning effect this week. Tomorrow is skinfold day so we'll know for sure soon.

Some very mild sides to note... just a hint of prostate symptoms with impaired flow, moreso at night. Also some joint sensitivity in my hands and neck, especially after a long a workday.
 
celc5 said:
Kleen,
I still never read your logs as strictly as I need to. Every time I intend too, I get distracted by shiny things and loose my focus :fool2: I'm real interested in your no nonsense training philosophy.

Day 13

Monday, May 23, 2011

People were starting to notice the changes in my body over the weekend. I had a few compliments on how my chest looked during/after yesterday's chest workout. I don't think I was any stronger, but the contractions were very isolated even during presses. I even felt like my pecs were gonna cramp a few times. I suspect that I'm going to start to get a few extra reps and maybe 5 pounds here and there this week.

Wifey also made note of my abs while pregaming for the bedroom workout. I was sitting around 15 % bodyfat the last 2 weeks, and we all know that's too high for abs. So maybe there's some leaning effect this week. Tomorrow is skinfold day so we'll know for sure soon.

Some very mild sides to note... just a hint of prostate symptoms with impaired flow, moreso at night. Also some joint sensitivity in my hands and neck, especially after a long a workday.
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damn, this really reminds me of mmv2!!! going to have to try this for myself.:bigok:
 
thebigt said:
damn, this really reminds me of mmv2!!! going to have to try this for myself.:bigok:
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Did you have muscle fullness and hardness with MMV2? I think that's what I'm starting to feel, especially with the noticeable chest pump yesterday.
 
celc5 said:
Did you have muscle fullness and hardness with MMV2? I think that's what I'm starting to feel, especially with the noticeable chest pump yesterday.
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definately....my mmv2 log is in the archives somewhere, when i have time i will reread it, but your results sounds a whole lot like what i got from mmv2.
 
I showed up just after MMV2 and didn't get to try it.

Celc - yeah I don't really do a whole lot of extra stuff. I hit a compound exercise for each muscle group do a few hard sets and am done and on to the next one. I continue to make progress this way and concentrating my energy on the compound movements is just the most efficient way I have found to train. It has always brought me good results. The busier my workouts get the more I seem to spread out my noticeable improvements.
 
def interested in the changes in body composition. Are you gonna include strength changes?
 
Wow, I know exactly what you mean about the chest pump!! I'm an hour out of tbe gym & still swolen like I just finished my last set!
 
Kleen,
I never tried MMV2 either, so I can't really compare progestin beta to it with personal experience. But I do have a stash of the Standodrol clone that I'll stack in a future cycle.

Pesky,
sure thing bro. At the end of the log, I'll mention strength change with the basics such as deadlifts, squats, bench, and maybe rows or pullups. My lifting has been unorthodox over the past 6 months so the best comparison would be to other ON cycle PR's in the past.

Enhanced,
right on bro! I forgot that you were in on this too. I gotta stop by your log and throw some tomatoes :newangel:
 
Cool curious to hear your thoughts on it. I know I noticed some strength gains this week. :)
 
I guess I'm missing something here, what is the difference between this stuff and regular Tren?
 
BBB said:
I guess I'm missing something here, what is the difference between this stuff and regular Tren?
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As far as we know, it's supposed to be similar to the old LG M1P.

When you say "regular" tren, are you referring to tren designers or trenbolone AAS?
 
celc5 said:
As far as we know, it's supposed to be similar to the old LG M1P.

When you say "regular" tren, are you referring to tren designers or trenbolone AAS?
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I was one of the few that liked M1P. I thought it to be outstanding. So, I am definately keeping an eye on this buddy. I am curious what they are going to release for nomenclature.
 
Not sure, I have seen it mentioned that Eric likened this to boldione in effect. Either way it is doing it's thing but I would consider it mild for sure. I have not had any sign of a back or calve pump. No obvious spikes in BP, nothing like that.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Not sure, I have seen it mentioned that Eric likened this to boldione in effect. Either way it is doing it's thing but I would consider it mild for sure. I have not had any sign of a back or calve pump. No obvious spikes in BP, nothing like that.
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haven't heard anyone complain of any sides so far.:bigok:
 
SonicSWOLE said:
I was one of the few that liked M1P. I thought it to be outstanding. So, I am definately keeping an eye on this buddy. I am curious what they are going to release for nomenclature.
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Could you give us some basic details such as how you used it... stack? bulk/cut? Did you have the appetite effect? Sides? It was tough to find reliable feedback for the original M1P so you're input will be valuable.

MrKleen73 said:
Not sure, I have seen it mentioned that Eric likened this to boldione in effect. Either way it is doing it's thing but I would consider it mild for sure. I have not had any sign of a back or calve pump. No obvious spikes in BP, nothing like that.
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Just for discussion sake, if the cycle is going to resemble that of bold, it's probably too early to judge if it's going to be mild or not. Correct me if I'm wrong but most don't see results for 4-5 weeks with bold and run it for 8-10 wks. I've never run bold myself so this is just for discussion sake.

thebigt said:
haven't heard anyone complain of any sides so far.:bigok:
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I have a zit on my shoulder :bigok:

Craigmatthew said:
Glad you are logging this man, excellent detail :)
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Right on man, glad to see ur still on the boards. I've been awol from the forums (not the gym, gosh no!) so I'm still getting a feel for who's around :cheers:
 
This was my original thought, and why I thought we would be doing a two month run. Now Eric said we are taking a double dose of the product right now too. So there is the option of taking only 2ml a day and going for 8 weeks or I guess at this point it would be closer to 6 weeks if you changed up the dosing pattern at this point in the game.
 
MrKleen73 said:
This was my original thought, and why I thought we would be doing a two month run. Now Eric said we are taking a double dose of the product right now too. So there is the option of taking only 2ml a day and going for 8 weeks or I guess at this point it would be closer to 6 weeks if you changed up the dosing pattern at this point in the game.
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Hmm, just eyeballing the bottle, I think there's 8 wks worth in there even at 4ml. Funny story, I do this thing to my wife and she calls it "eyeballing"

Edit: crap just did the math. 120ml at 4ml/day = 30 days. That's what you were thinking, right?
 
I guess I'm using Tren in a generic manner. I was refering to Dienedione (Tren), the only legal alternative. I'm not familiar with LG M1P. The M leads me to beleive that it may have been methylated.
 
celc5 said:
Hmm, just eyeballing the bottle, I think there's 8 wks worth in there even at 4ml. Funny story, I do this thing to my wife and she calls it "eyeballing"

Edit: crap just did the math. 120ml at 4ml/day = 30 days. That's what you were thinking, right?
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Yes Sir. Mine is pretty much half gone now.
 
BBB said:
I guess I'm using Tren in a generic manner. I was refering to Dienedione (Tren), the only legal alternative. I'm not familiar with LG M1P. The M leads me to beleive that it may have been methylated.
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Ok, I get where you're going with this now. Just from an anecdotal perspective, this isn't really like the designer trens so far. As far as I know, designer trens should hit you hard within a few days and would probably have some sides by now such as lower libido and back pumps.

As far as I know, M1P stood for Methyl-1 Progestin. Might wanna pm TaurusNut to get more M1P specific info.

I put only a few hours per day for 2 or 3 days to research M1P when I got picked to be a tester. And as I said to Sonic, I didn't really come up with a whole lot of concrete info other than product description. Reliable feedback was lacking too, especially where you could tell that there was an agenda. For example, someone would bash the product but never explain anything to support the negative feedback. When I'd find positive feedback, the results were confounded in a stack, the user was a newb who never lifted before, etc etc So M1P is a mystery to me other than it's somehow similar to what I've been taking for the past 14 days
 
celc5 said:
Ok, I get where you're going with this now. Just from an anecdotal perspective, this isn't really like the designer trens so far. As far as I know, designer trens should hit you hard within a few days and would probably have some sides by now such as lower libido and back pumps.

As far as I know, M1P stood for Methyl-1 Progestin. Might wanna pm TaurusNut to get more M1P specific info.

I put only a few hours per day for 2 or 3 days to research M1P when I got picked to be a tester. And as I said to Sonic, I didn't really come up with a whole lot of concrete info other than product description. Reliable feedback was lacking too, especially where you could tell that there was an agenda. For example, someone would bash the product but never explain anything to support the negative feedback. When I'd find positive feedback, the results were confounded in a stack, the user was a newb who never lifted before, etc etc So M1P is a mystery to me other than it's somehow similar to what I've been taking for the past 14 days
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Exactly my situation. I could not find any definitive info and even then not sure how relevant it would be to what we are taking now since I don't know the nomenclature.
 
day 14........give a quick review of what been happening so far-please!!!:saevilw:
 
BBB said:
I guess I'm using Tren in a generic manner. I was refering to Dienedione (Tren), the only legal alternative. I'm not familiar with LG M1P. The M leads me to beleive that it may have been methylated.
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MrKleen73 said:
This was my original thought, and why I thought we would be doing a two month run. Now Eric said we are taking a double dose of the product right now too. So there is the option of taking only 2ml a day and going for 8 weeks or I guess at this point it would be closer to 6 weeks if you changed up the dosing pattern at this point in the game.
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celc5 said:
Ok, I get where you're going with this now. Just from an anecdotal perspective, this isn't really like the designer trens so far. As far as I know, designer trens should hit you hard within a few days and would probably have some sides by now such as lower libido and back pumps.

As far as I know, M1P stood for Methyl-1 Progestin. Might wanna pm TaurusNut to get more M1P specific info.

I put only a few hours per day for 2 or 3 days to research M1P when I got picked to be a tester. And as I said to Sonic, I didn't really come up with a whole lot of concrete info other than product description. Reliable feedback was lacking too, especially where you could tell that there was an agenda. For example, someone would bash the product but never explain anything to support the negative feedback. When I'd find positive feedback, the results were confounded in a stack, the user was a newb who never lifted before, etc etc So M1P is a mystery to me other than it's somehow similar to what I've been taking for the past 14 days
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See below​


Taurus Nut. said:
No, methyl steroids are in my opinion illegal. The law is quite vague in this respect BUT I think with my updated understanding, things like methyl steroids are illegal. Even things like esters are questionable in my mind, but they are a little more debatable I suppose.

So, to answer your question, no methylated products will be sold by taurus!
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:bigok:
 
Also just to clarify.. neither of the two beta progestins are the same as LG's M1-P. These both are totally different
 
Can't believe i missed this! In for the ride!!

//CC
 
MrKleen73 said:
Not sure, I have seen it mentioned that Eric likened this to boldione in effect. Either way it is doing it's thing but I would consider it mild for sure. I have not had any sign of a back or calve pump. No obvious spikes in BP, nothing like that.
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I really like the "mild" PHs, I am sure I am not the only one. Not just because of neg sides but also maintaining of gains. This is sounding good so far.
 
Mild is a relative term. A "mild" ph can be harsh if the dosage is high and consequently a harsh ph can be considered "mild" at low dosage. As they say “the dose determines the poison”.
 
thebigt said:
day 14........give a quick review of what been happening so far-please!!!:saevilw:
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Will do! Body comp and week 2 review will be up some time today or tonight.

JudoJosh said:
Also just to clarify.. neither of the two beta progestins are the same as LG's M1-P. These both are totally different
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The product was introduced in a thread with M1P in the title. In which case, it's reasonable to have comparisons. Not complaining because we knew what we were getting into, so don't take this the wrong way... but until nomenclature is released, there's gonna be scrutinizing questions frequently that we'll just have to take in stride.

ConcreteConny said:
Can't believe i missed this! In for the ride!!

//CC
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Welcome bro!

p5sky said:
I really like the "mild" PHs, I am sure I am not the only one. Not just because of neg sides but also maintaining of gains. This is sounding good so far.
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Agreed. IMO a mild cycle is one which has an easy recovery. It's easy to deal with ON cycle sides with minimal studying. In other words, harsh ON cycles sides don't scare me one bit while post cycle problems are a nightmare IME.

BBB said:
Mild is a relative term. A "mild" ph can be harsh if the dosage is high and consequently a harsh ph can be considered "mild" at low dosage. As they say “the dose determines the poison”.
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I see your point. At the same time, 6 weeks of Halo at 100mg to gain 10 pounds would, in my opinion, have an easier recovery than 20-30mg of Superdrol for 3-4 weeks. I see your logic, but it's gonna be hard to apply that to anything that's on the legal market right now.
 
since i haven't tried this progestin yet, i am really looking forward to seeing what you think so far. you da man, celc!!!!:bigok:
 
thebigt said:
since i haven't tried this progestin yet, i am really looking forward to seeing what you think so far. you da man, celc!!!!:bigok:
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Oh I see how it is then. I guess i will go kick rocks in my log... :rasp: :rasp: :rasp:

Celc is legit for sure. Right on point with the responses too.

BBB - by mild I mean at the dose we are taking it seems to be very mild regarding side effects. The fact that Eric told Judo that this could safely be run up to 12 weeks also leads me to the mild. However you are correct if someone takes an excessive dose of even a mild product that is bad stuff. Like Katt Williams says. Aspirin is considered safe but if you take 13 of them that will be your last head-ache.

UnrealMachine actually sings the praises of running SD at 10 mg a day if you want a mild run. Says it is the most cost effective way because you can get several "mild" runs from 1 bottle.
 
celc5 said:
The product was introduced in a thread with M1P in the title. In which case, it's reasonable to have comparisons. Not complaining because we knew what we were getting into, so don't take this the wrong way... but until nomenclature is released, there's gonna be scrutinizing questions frequently that we'll just have to take in stride.
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No worries bud :bigok:

I don't know why Eric titled the thread M1P but when I asked about it I was assured that neither of the beta progestins were the same as Legal Gears M1P.

I will double check on this again in case I misunderstood something but this is my understanding of it.

Also feel free to question away and I will do my best to try and get answers for you :thumbsup:
 
WEEK 2 REVIEW

DAY 16

Thursday, May 26, 2011

WEEK 2 REVIEW

Positive Aspects:
-Mild increased libido
-Significantly increased occurrence of being noticed by females (unconscious alpha male maybe?)
-Mildly improved vascularity and hardness
-Signficantly increased aggression in the bedroom
-Mild improved physical bedroom performance
-Gained approximately 3 lbs lean mass

Negative Aspects:
-Not really noticing any strength changes
-Inconsistent endurance in gym. I've fizzled a few times 1/2 way through workouts, including yesterday when I was really looking forward to my shoulder day. Work schedule lightens up substantially over the next 2 weeks. So less stress should lead to improved workout productivity.
-Gained approximately 2 pounds fat

Worthy Point of Discussion:
A controversial point with the introduction of a progestin was the propensity to cause or irritate gyno or progesterone-esque symptoms. I have a small case of gyno that I am 100% positive was caused by Superdrol a few years ago. The gyno lump and pain/sensitivityfades with time, but is easily irritated by just about any test booster. It was coming back pre-cycle when I was only playing with trib and hgw for example.

In the 2 weeks during this cycle, my gyno symptoms have steadily faded... even to the point that bumping it with a dumbell doesn't cause pain anymore. If a compound had the propensity to increase these symptoms, I'm sure that the 1 or 2 caps of Formadrol that I'm taking wouldn't be enough to stop a bad situation. IMO so far, this compound is NOT risky for me despite my gyno history.
 
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