Andro/Derma is a fine stack for Fat loss. You will experience mild suppression from the Dermacrine, so yes a PCT is necessary. However, OTC should be fine unless you use massive doses of the hormones. Something like Primordials TRS would be perfect. Alternately, I'm a huge fan of T-911, so throwing that into your PCT could be very effective as well.
Thanks mate, I wasn't suggesting for a minute that I wouldn't do a PCT RATHER I wasn't going to worry about buying it just yet (more money to spend on the sale) :lol: but totally agree, i thought OTC PCT should be ok, would run cycle support beforehand and in fact I take life support by AI as a staple everyday already, just a matter of running cycle support for a couple of weeks prior... Might consider playing with dosage, perhaps a SERM on hand might be a good idea just in case I do
How many days did you get from the AH bottle in the end? U had just one bottle right?
Going to start reading now boss... Thanks
Technically it was 60% of the dose and it was slated to go 6 weeks; obviously it did not. There was still some left in the bottle but I could not get it to come out for the life of me (it was not much though). H-drol is all good and well but not everyone is ready to go that route. Dermacrine in my opinion is the next logical step after Androhard or 1-T.
AMEN regarding the Stinging Nettle. Something many people do not know about Saw Palmetto is that it is not site specific and can actually cause gyno. As a matter of fact all of the pills out there that you see for the ladies called Grow Bust and what not meant to make their breasts swell, yep main ingredient is... WAIT FOR IT... SAW PALMETTO. Yes you read that right! Saw palmetto is the main ingredient used for increasing the size of your breast tissue. Just something to keep in mind... Pick up some stinging nettle with pygeum at a health food store and by pass the saw palmetto. Stinging Nettle has specific affinity binding to the receptors in the prostate and NOT in breast tissue.
I finished the AH but still have a few weeks left of everything else. I think about 1/4 of the Derma and about 3 weeks of Green Tea. I never got the CLA nor have I heard if we are going to, at this point it is a bit late but no biggie.
Interested in how you find the Erase . . .
So far I have noticed a small drop in water retention, crazy libido boost (as if I needed this!) and my GF noticed my back and shoulders were very full/dense even when I was in bed ready to sleep. It's always great when she says my back looks "unnaturally swollen" for laying down and ready to sleep.
Everything sounds POSITIVE and results look great (re DermaTherm Target, many topicals have this effect, and the water retention will go in a few days of ceasing use of the product)!So far I have noticed a small drop in water retention, crazy libido boost (as if I needed this!) and my GF noticed my back and shoulders were very full/dense even when I was in bed ready to sleep. It's always great when she says my back looks "unnaturally swollen" for laying down and ready to sleep.
In regards to what I have got out of this stack so far here is a brief list:
- Added LBM
- Increase in chest definition/size
- Increase in delt definition/size
- Definite increase in back size/definition
- Legs becoming more vascular and better quad separation
- Water retention in areas where Dermatherm Target applied
- Increased appetite when taking AndroHard
- No increase in fat gain with increased calories
- Near instant recovery after about 10 days on AH
- Strength gains in lifts I had plateaued on... sweet!
- Major alpha male feeling
- Almost unmanageable aggression at times, had to really check myself before I flew off the handle a few times
Should be interesting, I will be starting with DC training. Don't know what I will do during PCT, I guess it will involve a deload of some sort.
I was offered to log Katanadrol but since I just finished AH, I had to decline; too much hormonal products at once is not the best situation not to mention I will have the cycle interrupted by a 4 day break for a wedding. Enjoy that Epi run guys, I see some serious beastly numbers coming out of you two with it.
Once I push my deads to 405 X 5 then I will endeavour to get that up to over 500 on the DC run, can't remember how the rep scheme works with DC for deads, I think it's 3 sets of 6 or something. Reps for 500 without straps would be very satisfying...:006:
Don, I can link you to an article for how to get the most out of your PS Cycle and PCT they recommend increasing volume not intensity on cycle then increasing intensity off cycle to keep the gains. Something more like a GVT or FST7 or some other high volume program would be better on cycle to limit injuries instead of chasing the weight. Then if you have used tempo as well to keep your weights down on cycle going heavier during PCT is not hard to do and can still be done safely for us older guys once we get a little creative. If trying to cut while building you may even want to look into Poliquin's Meltdown training. It is higher volume, slow reps speed and I have grown while using it to lean up each time I have used it. Then you could up intensity in PCT with some DC training when it needs to be higher.
Yah link me up and I can get the General idea, I will be recomping a bit on this cycle but not going for anything extreem. I did want to take advantage of the stength gain properties of EPI but I can leave my ego at the door for better gains... by the way it's Doug lol Pembroke is Don...
Holy crap I did do that. How odd is that. I even looked at it funny as I hit submit but didn't know why it didn't look right. Okay DOUG, I will shoot you the link.
nice post Garrett!!!! :006:
I know about memory slippage, man I am losing words by the day. I won't forget your name, it's the same as my sons, if I do then I have problems...lol
Remember this term, "Gorilla Stance", think about the way a Gorilla stands with his back arched...
Today I am going to throw these in most likely, I do them frequently but I am not as strict on form as I probably should be. My mid/upper back could use some density along with my lats. Garrett and Don, welcome to my log
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LOL!Today I am going to throw these in most likely, I do them frequently but I am not as strict on form as I probably should be. My mid/upper back could use some density along with my lats. Garrett and Don, welcome to my log
:006:Today I am going to throw these in most likely, I do them frequently but I am not as strict on form as I probably should be. My mid/upper back could use some density along with my lats. Garrett and Don, welcome to my log
Will you now be changing Gideon's middle name?
I get called Mark all the time or Mat (in emails since people can't spell anymore, damn school system is going to crap), my name is MATT. I don't get mad though if I have to remind you more than once, I tend to find anything else to focus on until you correct yourself
. Props to you for not getting upset with the guy though in his case he does not know any better.
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Have taken advantage of sale, done a lot of reading AND I've gone with 2 x turinabol LV muscle stacks (includes TRS) and 4 x derma LV bottles...
I am going to cut off my toe... or maybe the doctor can fix it. We'll see who wins this race.
Oh it gets better... So I got in to see the foot doc today, very good one I might add (always a crap shoot now a days). I have a bunion on my toe and nerve damage that will take a good amount of time to heal, in the order of 4-5 months. Also, there are two little bones on the bottom of the big toe, similar to your knee cap apparently, and one of mine is in about 6 pieces. He actually was pretty shocked I was not in constant pain from it but eventually if the bunion pain does not go away, I will have to have it surgically removed and the shattered bone as well. I told him I do squats, leg press and dead lift... he said it made no sense to him how I could do it with that one bone being so destroyed. Anyways, foot is taped up and I have a "prescription" to buy new, wider shoes to take some pressure off of the nerve.
