StackedCop
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Oxygen 4 Energy - Pure Oxygen
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criticalbench
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95% Fio2? In a can? Sounds pretty badass!
StackedCop
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You think this product will do what it claims?
tnubs
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Only if they change it and make it bubblegum flavor. Pure oxygen has that doctors office smell to it. And as a paying customer I want my supplements to taste good or they clearly cant work.
tnubs
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Not sure if srs.
mich29
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football players use oxygen on the sidelines sometimes during games so this would be a good thing to have on hand for a number of different uses by lifters,runners etc.
only thing you can really do on this one is wait for the logs and see how they shape up.
here is just one study I found that was a good read on the subject.
[h=1]Ergogenic Aids: can increasing oxygen levels improve sports performance?[/h] [h=3]When supplementation with oxygen really helps performance.[/h] In the last issue of this newsletter, I effectively demolished the idea that oxygen supplementation before or after exertion might be beneficial to athletes. As I pointed out, taking in extra O2 might theoretically be helpful just before a competitive effort, except that athletes would have to hold their breaths for a rather extended period – from the time they took their last draught of oxygen until their events actually began. Such breath-holding is impractical if not downright impossible. Furthermore, no well-controlled scientific study has ever linked pre-exercise oxygen supplementation with significant improvements in performance. When you see an athlete with an oxygen mask over his or her face just before entering a competition, you can rest assured that the practice will have as beneficial an effect on performance as rain-dancing!
While it might seem logical that post-exercise oxygen would boost the Invalid Link Removed process (by spurring Invalid Link Removed and potentially enhancing the synthesis of valuable chemical compounds within muscle cells), there is no evidence in favour of this supposition either. In fact, the post-exercise period is ordinarily marked by submaximal heart rates and modest rates of oxygen delivery to tissues which have been involved in the workout. In other words, there is not a high demand for oxygen during recovery; if there were such a demand, the heart would willingly kick more blood and oxygen in the direction of the muscles, and supplementation would be unnecessary.
There is one situation, however, in which sports-related oxygen supplementation is very helpful – and that is during exercise. A plethora of scientific research suggests that athletes can exercise longer and more intensely when they breathe in extra oxygen during their exertions.
The rationale for oxygen supplementation during exercise is derived from the knowledge that during intense exercise, the rate of supply of oxygen to working muscles does not satisfy the demand. By breathing in supplementary oxygen, an athlete could, hypothetically, saturate his blood more fully with O2 and thus supply the desired oxygen without actually increasing blood flow or heart rate (both of which might, in any case, be ‘maxed out’ during intense exercise).
If you are an oxygen-supplementation sceptic, you might at this point be asking that short but often critical question: ‘So?’ As you are undoubtedly aware, even if taking in additional oxygen during exercise did boost performance, it is hard to imagine football players running around the pitch with oxygen tanks strapped to their backs or swimmers tethered with oxygen tubes.
These are fair points, but the basic idea would, of course, be to use oxygen during training rather than competition. An athlete might, for example, train in an environmentally-controlled room with an oxygen-enriched atmosphere; alternatively, it is not impossible to conceive of someone working away on a stationary exercise device like a treadmill or cycle ergometer while wearing a tight-fitting mask connected to an oxygen-supplying device – only slightly more intrusive than headphones! The additional oxygen could enhance the quality of the workout, which would undoubtedly be beneficial: competitive fitness is, after all, an attribute that is built up slowly but steadily over time through high-quality training sessions.
Increased blood oxygen content is balanced by decreased flow
There is one oxygen-related problem which must still be surmounted, however: although the basic ‘meet the muscles’ demands’ rationale for using oxygen during training seems unarguable, it has not stood up well to scientific scrutiny. In fact, one well-conducted investigation found that, although the breathing of hyperoxic gas mixtures did indeed increase the oxygen content of arterial blood, this process was perfectly balanced by a decrease in blood flow to the working muscles – so that the actual amount of oxygen delivered to the muscles remained exactly the same(1). Through physiological feedback mechanisms, the muscles seemed to be saying: ‘Thanks! The blood you are sending me is richer now, so I don’t need quite so much of it. Let some other part of the body use some of the red stuff I’ve been consuming up until now’.
Nonetheless, Invalid Link Removed (the maximal rate of oxygen consumption) does increase by 2-5% when athletes exercise in a hyperoxic environment, and performances improve by up to 40% when athletes breathe pure 100% oxygen instead of the standard 21% oxygen air (2). How can these findings be reconciled with the fact that there is no actual difference in oxygen delivery to muscles?
There are various possibilities, but it is clear that increased availability of oxygen decreases pulmonary ventilation (the movement of air in and out of the lungs) and thus reduces the muscular work required for breathing(3), an effect which could lead to a significant improvement in athletic performance. In one study, nine well-trained individuals ran to exhaustion on a treadmill on five different occasions, while breathing in one of five different gas mixtures – 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100% oxygen. In all five cases, the running speed selected for the treadmill exertion was exactly 10% faster than the velocity required to elicit VO2max(4). For many runners, this would be comparable to an all-out 1,500m running tempo.
The five bouts of exercise were scheduled one week apart to minimise the effects of post-test fatigue, and the athletes were ‘blinded’ to the gas mixtures they were breathing in – and even their actual running times. The results showed clearly that as oxygen concentration rose above 60%, running time at 110% vVO2max also increased, with 80% better than 60% and 100% better than 80% in terms of fatigue-resistance. Notably, ventilation decreased in line with increased oxygen concentration, and the decrease was a function of decreased breathing frequency, not the amount of air exchanged per breath.
In a unique follow-up study(3), ten athletes ran to exhaustion on a treadmill while breathing in one of four gas mixtures:
As it turned out, the mass of air moved in and out of the lungs was less whenever helium – rather than nitrogen – was combined with oxygen (remember that helium is considerably lighter than nitrogen), and thus the work performed by the respiratory muscles was considerably less. In addition, the work carried out by the muscles was lower whenever oxygen levels were elevated, as if the respiratory muscles realised they did not have to make such strenuous efforts to pull oxygen in from the atmosphere. A reasonable broad conclusion is that performance rises whenever the load on the respiratory muscles is reduced. There are two possible reasons for this:
1. Perceived effort – the level of difficulty an athlete consciously assigns to a specific type or intensity of exercise – depends on a variety of physiological cues, including the degree of stress experienced by the respiratory system during the conduct of the exercise. If this respiratory stress is lightened, the intensity of exercise is felt to be lower, and an athlete will usually have confidence that he or she can perform at the given intensity for a longer period of time; 2. A reduced respiratory workload translates into a lower whole-body demand for oxygen during exercise (don’t forget that the respiratory muscles require oxygen during exercise too). Since the oxygen cost of exercise is reduced, an athlete will be operating at a lower fraction of VO2max and thus the duration of exercise can be increased, there being a direct inverse relationship between exercise sustainability and %VO2max.
The risk of Invalid Link Removed desaturation
There is one other key reason why oxygen supplementation can work. Interestingly enough, some athletes who are able to sustain exercise at very high intensities experience ‘desaturation’ of their haemoglobin (ie, the amount of oxygen bound to haemoglobin declines) when they work very strenuously under normoxic conditions; (remember that haemoglobin is the red blood cell compound that actually ‘carries’ oxygen through the blood). In theory, these accomplished athletes might benefit from breathing in high-oxygen gas mixtures as they train at very high intensities, since, under such conditions, it would be less likely that their haemoglobin would become desaturated with O2, and thus oxygen could be supplied at higher rates to working muscles.
To check out this possibility, researchers at the University of Florida divided 20 healthy male athletes into two groups:
Athletes in both groups performed two incremental cycle ergometer tests at sea level to determine VO2max(5); one test was completed under normoxic conditions (at 21% oxygen) and the other in a slightly hyperoxic situation (26% oxygen). As it turned out, the percentage of oxygen bound to haemoglobin during maximal exercise was significantly higher for both groups under hyperoxic conditions. However, the highly trained group was able to elevate VO2max from 70.1 to 74.7 under hyperoxic conditions, while the trained group were unable to raise VO2max. Thus, it seems clear that pulmonary gas exchange can contribute significantly to limitation in the maximal aerobic capacities of highly trained athletes.
The benefits of oxygen supplementation for workout quality became apparent in research carried out at the University of New Mexico several years ago(6). Initially, the athletes involved in the study trained in a very basic way: they spent about two fifths of each training session working at a modest intensity of 50% of their maximal work load (defined as the highest work rate – in watts – which the cyclists could sustain for at least 30 seconds). Heart rates probably reached 50-60% of maximal during these light efforts.
During the remainder of each workout, however, the athletes trained at a fairly demanding intensity of 85% of maximal work load, which produced heart rates of around 90-95% of maximal. The cyclists continued training in this manner for several weeks, until their performances reached a plateau beyond which no further improvements in endurance were attained. With considerable variation between athletes, it took between seven and 35(!) weeks to reach this plateau.
After reaching their plateaus, the athletes tried to step up their workout quality by alternating three-minute work intervals at 95% of maximal work load (instead of the previous 85%) with two-minute recovery intervals at 50% of maximum. However, the 95% intensity proved so tough that it was impossible for the cyclists to complete a full 40-minute workout. In fact, the best they could do was cycle for a total of about ten minutes – just two work intervals and two recoveries!
How added oxygen helped cyclists complete a tough workout
To make it possible for the cyclists to complete a full workout at the seemingly unattainable 95% intensity, the researchers allowed them to breathe an air mixture containing 70% oxygen as they exercised (remember that the oxygen concentration of ‘normal’ air is 21%, unless you happen to live in London, New York or Los Angeles, where oxygenated air is slightly more elusive). With the added oxygen, the cyclists were suddenly able to complete the higher-intensity 40-minute workouts (made up of eight work intervals and eight recoveries), and they carried out a rather incredible total of four per week over a six-week period!
Note that this is exactly the kind of situation in which you would expect oxygen supplementation to be beneficial. The athletes were experienced and they were working at close-to-maximal levels during their workouts. Thus, their haemoglobin was likely to be desaturated, a situation which the supplemental oxygen could at least partially correct. Voila! The better oxygen supply to muscles allowed exercise to continue longer at the chosen red-hot intensity. Undoubtedly, the added oxygen also decreased respiratory-muscle work and made the intense efforts feel a bit easier.
You will be glad to hear that the six weeks of hyperoxic work also improved the athletes’ performances considerably (after all, what good are hard workouts unless they actually lead to better physical outcomes?) The athletes’ endurance levels while pedalling at 85% of max workload (90-95% of max heart rate) increased by 32% (!) after six weeks, and heart rate during high-intensity cycling declined by around five beats per minute. Crucially, the athletes achieved their gains without having to spend more time training; they worked out at the same frequency and duration as they had done before the six-week hyperoxic-training period. The only change was the increase of interval intensity from 85 to 95% of maximal, which was made possible only with the use of supplemental oxygen.
The New Mexico scientists speculated that – among other things – the hyperoxic training may have boosted the blood volumes of the athletes. A rise in blood volume is one of the key adaptations to endurance training, and intensity – not the number of workouts per week or the total duration of workouts – is its most potent trigger; that’s because high-intensity workouts stimulate special tubules within the kidneys to hold onto more plasma, thus thwarting the kidneys’ perverse desire to literally waste fitness. The resultant increased quantity of blood permits more red fluid to reach athletes’ muscles during exercise. More blood means the muscles get more oxygen, and more oxygen translates into greater energy production and improved performance.
So what are your bottom-line ‘oxygen lessons’? Obviously, you shouldn’t bother going to altitude to train in the hope of improving your performances. High-altitude locations are nice places to live, because of the great views and the clean air – and also because the decreased oxygen pressures associated with altitude can really boost your blood haemoglobin levels. Unfortunately, however, the reduced oxygen pressures associated with altitude decrease the quality of training sessions and thus hamper sea-level fitness. To put it another way, it is very difficult to develop the ability to move faster when you are always moving more slowly during your training.
Rather than looking for a low-oxygen environment, you should jump at any chance you have to train under high-oxygen conditions, which will enable you to work at faster-than-usual speeds that can be sustained for unusually long periods. This kind of training will make you fitter, even in normoxic environments. In short, high-oxygen exercise can really gas up your training sessions – and thus your ultimate performances.
As the Florida research suggests, such training will be particularly valuable to highly-trained athletes, the ones who can really crank up training intensity and sustain high intensities for long enough to desaturate their haemoglobin. Currently, most such athletes think ‘altitude’ when it comes to fundamental alterations in training, but going up in elevation (and thus down in intensity) is exactly the wrong move to make.
Owen Anderson
References
only thing you can really do on this one is wait for the logs and see how they shape up.
here is just one study I found that was a good read on the subject.
[h=1]Ergogenic Aids: can increasing oxygen levels improve sports performance?[/h] [h=3]When supplementation with oxygen really helps performance.[/h] In the last issue of this newsletter, I effectively demolished the idea that oxygen supplementation before or after exertion might be beneficial to athletes. As I pointed out, taking in extra O2 might theoretically be helpful just before a competitive effort, except that athletes would have to hold their breaths for a rather extended period – from the time they took their last draught of oxygen until their events actually began. Such breath-holding is impractical if not downright impossible. Furthermore, no well-controlled scientific study has ever linked pre-exercise oxygen supplementation with significant improvements in performance. When you see an athlete with an oxygen mask over his or her face just before entering a competition, you can rest assured that the practice will have as beneficial an effect on performance as rain-dancing!
While it might seem logical that post-exercise oxygen would boost the Invalid Link Removed process (by spurring Invalid Link Removed and potentially enhancing the synthesis of valuable chemical compounds within muscle cells), there is no evidence in favour of this supposition either. In fact, the post-exercise period is ordinarily marked by submaximal heart rates and modest rates of oxygen delivery to tissues which have been involved in the workout. In other words, there is not a high demand for oxygen during recovery; if there were such a demand, the heart would willingly kick more blood and oxygen in the direction of the muscles, and supplementation would be unnecessary.
There is one situation, however, in which sports-related oxygen supplementation is very helpful – and that is during exercise. A plethora of scientific research suggests that athletes can exercise longer and more intensely when they breathe in extra oxygen during their exertions.
The rationale for oxygen supplementation during exercise is derived from the knowledge that during intense exercise, the rate of supply of oxygen to working muscles does not satisfy the demand. By breathing in supplementary oxygen, an athlete could, hypothetically, saturate his blood more fully with O2 and thus supply the desired oxygen without actually increasing blood flow or heart rate (both of which might, in any case, be ‘maxed out’ during intense exercise).
If you are an oxygen-supplementation sceptic, you might at this point be asking that short but often critical question: ‘So?’ As you are undoubtedly aware, even if taking in additional oxygen during exercise did boost performance, it is hard to imagine football players running around the pitch with oxygen tanks strapped to their backs or swimmers tethered with oxygen tubes.
These are fair points, but the basic idea would, of course, be to use oxygen during training rather than competition. An athlete might, for example, train in an environmentally-controlled room with an oxygen-enriched atmosphere; alternatively, it is not impossible to conceive of someone working away on a stationary exercise device like a treadmill or cycle ergometer while wearing a tight-fitting mask connected to an oxygen-supplying device – only slightly more intrusive than headphones! The additional oxygen could enhance the quality of the workout, which would undoubtedly be beneficial: competitive fitness is, after all, an attribute that is built up slowly but steadily over time through high-quality training sessions.
Increased blood oxygen content is balanced by decreased flow
There is one oxygen-related problem which must still be surmounted, however: although the basic ‘meet the muscles’ demands’ rationale for using oxygen during training seems unarguable, it has not stood up well to scientific scrutiny. In fact, one well-conducted investigation found that, although the breathing of hyperoxic gas mixtures did indeed increase the oxygen content of arterial blood, this process was perfectly balanced by a decrease in blood flow to the working muscles – so that the actual amount of oxygen delivered to the muscles remained exactly the same(1). Through physiological feedback mechanisms, the muscles seemed to be saying: ‘Thanks! The blood you are sending me is richer now, so I don’t need quite so much of it. Let some other part of the body use some of the red stuff I’ve been consuming up until now’.
Nonetheless, Invalid Link Removed (the maximal rate of oxygen consumption) does increase by 2-5% when athletes exercise in a hyperoxic environment, and performances improve by up to 40% when athletes breathe pure 100% oxygen instead of the standard 21% oxygen air (2). How can these findings be reconciled with the fact that there is no actual difference in oxygen delivery to muscles?
There are various possibilities, but it is clear that increased availability of oxygen decreases pulmonary ventilation (the movement of air in and out of the lungs) and thus reduces the muscular work required for breathing(3), an effect which could lead to a significant improvement in athletic performance. In one study, nine well-trained individuals ran to exhaustion on a treadmill on five different occasions, while breathing in one of five different gas mixtures – 20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100% oxygen. In all five cases, the running speed selected for the treadmill exertion was exactly 10% faster than the velocity required to elicit VO2max(4). For many runners, this would be comparable to an all-out 1,500m running tempo.
The five bouts of exercise were scheduled one week apart to minimise the effects of post-test fatigue, and the athletes were ‘blinded’ to the gas mixtures they were breathing in – and even their actual running times. The results showed clearly that as oxygen concentration rose above 60%, running time at 110% vVO2max also increased, with 80% better than 60% and 100% better than 80% in terms of fatigue-resistance. Notably, ventilation decreased in line with increased oxygen concentration, and the decrease was a function of decreased breathing frequency, not the amount of air exchanged per breath.
In a unique follow-up study(3), ten athletes ran to exhaustion on a treadmill while breathing in one of four gas mixtures:
- 20% oxygen and 80% nitrogen (very similar to ‘normal’ air);
- 20% oxygen and 80% helium;
- 80% oxygen and 20% nitrogen;
- 80% oxygen and 20% helium.
As it turned out, the mass of air moved in and out of the lungs was less whenever helium – rather than nitrogen – was combined with oxygen (remember that helium is considerably lighter than nitrogen), and thus the work performed by the respiratory muscles was considerably less. In addition, the work carried out by the muscles was lower whenever oxygen levels were elevated, as if the respiratory muscles realised they did not have to make such strenuous efforts to pull oxygen in from the atmosphere. A reasonable broad conclusion is that performance rises whenever the load on the respiratory muscles is reduced. There are two possible reasons for this:
1. Perceived effort – the level of difficulty an athlete consciously assigns to a specific type or intensity of exercise – depends on a variety of physiological cues, including the degree of stress experienced by the respiratory system during the conduct of the exercise. If this respiratory stress is lightened, the intensity of exercise is felt to be lower, and an athlete will usually have confidence that he or she can perform at the given intensity for a longer period of time; 2. A reduced respiratory workload translates into a lower whole-body demand for oxygen during exercise (don’t forget that the respiratory muscles require oxygen during exercise too). Since the oxygen cost of exercise is reduced, an athlete will be operating at a lower fraction of VO2max and thus the duration of exercise can be increased, there being a direct inverse relationship between exercise sustainability and %VO2max.
The risk of Invalid Link Removed desaturation
There is one other key reason why oxygen supplementation can work. Interestingly enough, some athletes who are able to sustain exercise at very high intensities experience ‘desaturation’ of their haemoglobin (ie, the amount of oxygen bound to haemoglobin declines) when they work very strenuously under normoxic conditions; (remember that haemoglobin is the red blood cell compound that actually ‘carries’ oxygen through the blood). In theory, these accomplished athletes might benefit from breathing in high-oxygen gas mixtures as they train at very high intensities, since, under such conditions, it would be less likely that their haemoglobin would become desaturated with O2, and thus oxygen could be supplied at higher rates to working muscles.
To check out this possibility, researchers at the University of Florida divided 20 healthy male athletes into two groups:
- a ‘trained’ group of 13, with an average VO2max of 56.5 ml/(kg-min);
- a ‘highly trained’ group of seven with an average VO2max of 70.1 ml/(kg-min).
Athletes in both groups performed two incremental cycle ergometer tests at sea level to determine VO2max(5); one test was completed under normoxic conditions (at 21% oxygen) and the other in a slightly hyperoxic situation (26% oxygen). As it turned out, the percentage of oxygen bound to haemoglobin during maximal exercise was significantly higher for both groups under hyperoxic conditions. However, the highly trained group was able to elevate VO2max from 70.1 to 74.7 under hyperoxic conditions, while the trained group were unable to raise VO2max. Thus, it seems clear that pulmonary gas exchange can contribute significantly to limitation in the maximal aerobic capacities of highly trained athletes.
The benefits of oxygen supplementation for workout quality became apparent in research carried out at the University of New Mexico several years ago(6). Initially, the athletes involved in the study trained in a very basic way: they spent about two fifths of each training session working at a modest intensity of 50% of their maximal work load (defined as the highest work rate – in watts – which the cyclists could sustain for at least 30 seconds). Heart rates probably reached 50-60% of maximal during these light efforts.
During the remainder of each workout, however, the athletes trained at a fairly demanding intensity of 85% of maximal work load, which produced heart rates of around 90-95% of maximal. The cyclists continued training in this manner for several weeks, until their performances reached a plateau beyond which no further improvements in endurance were attained. With considerable variation between athletes, it took between seven and 35(!) weeks to reach this plateau.
After reaching their plateaus, the athletes tried to step up their workout quality by alternating three-minute work intervals at 95% of maximal work load (instead of the previous 85%) with two-minute recovery intervals at 50% of maximum. However, the 95% intensity proved so tough that it was impossible for the cyclists to complete a full 40-minute workout. In fact, the best they could do was cycle for a total of about ten minutes – just two work intervals and two recoveries!
How added oxygen helped cyclists complete a tough workout
To make it possible for the cyclists to complete a full workout at the seemingly unattainable 95% intensity, the researchers allowed them to breathe an air mixture containing 70% oxygen as they exercised (remember that the oxygen concentration of ‘normal’ air is 21%, unless you happen to live in London, New York or Los Angeles, where oxygenated air is slightly more elusive). With the added oxygen, the cyclists were suddenly able to complete the higher-intensity 40-minute workouts (made up of eight work intervals and eight recoveries), and they carried out a rather incredible total of four per week over a six-week period!
Note that this is exactly the kind of situation in which you would expect oxygen supplementation to be beneficial. The athletes were experienced and they were working at close-to-maximal levels during their workouts. Thus, their haemoglobin was likely to be desaturated, a situation which the supplemental oxygen could at least partially correct. Voila! The better oxygen supply to muscles allowed exercise to continue longer at the chosen red-hot intensity. Undoubtedly, the added oxygen also decreased respiratory-muscle work and made the intense efforts feel a bit easier.
You will be glad to hear that the six weeks of hyperoxic work also improved the athletes’ performances considerably (after all, what good are hard workouts unless they actually lead to better physical outcomes?) The athletes’ endurance levels while pedalling at 85% of max workload (90-95% of max heart rate) increased by 32% (!) after six weeks, and heart rate during high-intensity cycling declined by around five beats per minute. Crucially, the athletes achieved their gains without having to spend more time training; they worked out at the same frequency and duration as they had done before the six-week hyperoxic-training period. The only change was the increase of interval intensity from 85 to 95% of maximal, which was made possible only with the use of supplemental oxygen.
The New Mexico scientists speculated that – among other things – the hyperoxic training may have boosted the blood volumes of the athletes. A rise in blood volume is one of the key adaptations to endurance training, and intensity – not the number of workouts per week or the total duration of workouts – is its most potent trigger; that’s because high-intensity workouts stimulate special tubules within the kidneys to hold onto more plasma, thus thwarting the kidneys’ perverse desire to literally waste fitness. The resultant increased quantity of blood permits more red fluid to reach athletes’ muscles during exercise. More blood means the muscles get more oxygen, and more oxygen translates into greater energy production and improved performance.
So what are your bottom-line ‘oxygen lessons’? Obviously, you shouldn’t bother going to altitude to train in the hope of improving your performances. High-altitude locations are nice places to live, because of the great views and the clean air – and also because the decreased oxygen pressures associated with altitude can really boost your blood haemoglobin levels. Unfortunately, however, the reduced oxygen pressures associated with altitude decrease the quality of training sessions and thus hamper sea-level fitness. To put it another way, it is very difficult to develop the ability to move faster when you are always moving more slowly during your training.
Rather than looking for a low-oxygen environment, you should jump at any chance you have to train under high-oxygen conditions, which will enable you to work at faster-than-usual speeds that can be sustained for unusually long periods. This kind of training will make you fitter, even in normoxic environments. In short, high-oxygen exercise can really gas up your training sessions – and thus your ultimate performances.
As the Florida research suggests, such training will be particularly valuable to highly-trained athletes, the ones who can really crank up training intensity and sustain high intensities for long enough to desaturate their haemoglobin. Currently, most such athletes think ‘altitude’ when it comes to fundamental alterations in training, but going up in elevation (and thus down in intensity) is exactly the wrong move to make.
Owen Anderson
References
- Journal of Applied Physiology, vol 42, pp 385-390, 1977
- Exercise Physiology: Theory and Application to Fitness and Performance Boston: McGraw Hill
- Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, vol 12(5), pp 380-384, 1980
- Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, vol 7(1), pp 48-52, 1975
- Journal of Applied Physiology, vol 66, pp 2491-2495, 1989
- Running Research News, vol 10(2), pp 14-16, 1994
tnubs
Well-known member
That article goes back and forth say it can, then that it cannot work. Im a bit confused.
"As I pointed out, taking in extra O2 might theoretically be helpful just before a competitive effort, except that athletes would have to hold their breaths for a rather extended period – from the time they took their last draught of oxygen until their events actually began. Such breath-holding is impractical if not downright impossible. Furthermore, no well-controlled scientific study has ever linked pre-exercise oxygen supplementation with significant improvements in performance. When you see an athlete with an oxygen mask over his or her face just before entering a competition, you can rest assured that the practice will have as beneficial an effect on performance as rain-dancing!"
The entire article is also about sustained oxygen treatment. Clinically, high respiratory rates from pulmonary disease can be reduced from oxygen treatment, but this is a continuous process. When you take away their oxygen, they will breathe fast again. Theres no way you can compare a 4L canister to continuous supply. 4 liters is very little oxygen. Ill comment on this when i get back home tonight.
"As I pointed out, taking in extra O2 might theoretically be helpful just before a competitive effort, except that athletes would have to hold their breaths for a rather extended period – from the time they took their last draught of oxygen until their events actually began. Such breath-holding is impractical if not downright impossible. Furthermore, no well-controlled scientific study has ever linked pre-exercise oxygen supplementation with significant improvements in performance. When you see an athlete with an oxygen mask over his or her face just before entering a competition, you can rest assured that the practice will have as beneficial an effect on performance as rain-dancing!"
The entire article is also about sustained oxygen treatment. Clinically, high respiratory rates from pulmonary disease can be reduced from oxygen treatment, but this is a continuous process. When you take away their oxygen, they will breathe fast again. Theres no way you can compare a 4L canister to continuous supply. 4 liters is very little oxygen. Ill comment on this when i get back home tonight.
MidwestBeast
Legend
Well, I'll be looking forward to seeing Rick's log and trying it soon, myself.
Until then, stay classy, everyone :flowers1:
Until then, stay classy, everyone :flowers1:
RickRock13
Well-known member
MidwestBeast said:
I agree man. I am curious as to what this product will do, and can't wait to get started on it. Until then, I think its a good idea to keep an open mind and just let the product do the talking
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
RealBigga said:
No.
RealBigga
Banned
Then yall need to word your website a little better.
Oxygen 4 Energy Single
$15.99
Single means One, at least to me.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
I'm not a NTBM repRealBigga said:
But I'm thinking that is for a single bottle.
$16 for a single serving is a sure way to guarantee a new product fails miserably.
Jasen
Well-known member
Hmmm well I'll throw something out, I used water that had extra oxygen called perfect water i believe.... And I had an enormous pumps a lot bigger than usual. I honestly thought it was BS but then once the pump came I was impressed. Stacked with c4 that water gave me a pump similar to glycerin. So I'll be watching
RickRock13
Well-known member
RealBigga said:
Yes....one bottle that's correct, which is like 10 servings I believe
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
So with a nice little discount, $30 should get you through 20 workouts eh? That's a month of lifting for me.
RickRock13
Well-known member
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Yeh that sounds about right. I know needto10 always works for 10% off at Mr supps, so you can always get a discounted price
tnubs
Well-known member
One bottle = 4L
divide that into 10 servings = 400mL per serving (under one resting tidal breath, which 150mL will be wasted due to anatomic deadspace... so 250mL usable volume)
This **** is better than those beverly liver tabs that had more protein content per serving than the total weight of the tabs. I still wont buy it without flavoring, tho.
I wish i could steal an Ino vent from the hospital. Contains nitric oxide for use on little kids that are born prematurely. Also causes blindness and can kill you. But think about the pumps! I think they charge $100 for working hour of use with those things, tho.
P.S. I know a lot of you dont believe in science(as evident by this thread). Which I understand since I cant explain the existance of God thru science even knowing he exists. But following a log of someone who reps for that company is meaningless. You all should snag some other respectable forum member to log it as well.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
I will review a 10 serving bottle
Young Gotti
Well-known member
Hide yamgeshi (spelling) is sponsored by the company that makes this stuff, I've been interested in it ever since I saw his youtube videi
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
yeah right, so you can complain about "side effects you weren't warned about" or say it did this and that to you.....I suppose you want one of the reps to hold the serving for you and spoon feed it to you? then take all your bloodwork every 12 hours?
RickRock13
Well-known member
Garyboy said:
While tnubs has offered a lot of very useful info, nothing has been proven. Everything is speculative up to this point with or without "science"
There has been a lot of good information in here and I appreciate it. As of now, I don't endorse or condone this product, since I haven't tried it to see what I think.. But I don't think anyone should be saying it isn't worth it based on information that is not directly tied to the product in question...
MidwestBeast
Legend
I completely disagree with this.
Are you suggesting that Rick, who has been around here for a decent time and built up a solid rep, is going to lie to all of you?
No. He won't.
The whole "OMG he's a rep, so his word means nothing!" garbage needs to end. I'm not talk about just you, here; I'm talking in general. Yes, I get the skepticism of something used "in-house," but as I've said a million times, the good people, good companies and good products stick around. Those that are not, fade away.
If you want to try it so badly (though I don't see why, based on your observations thus far), it's up for sale with free shipping and a 10% discount.
It will get a chance to be logged by some non-reps. I'll pay for it myself to have someone else try it after I buy a bottle for myself and if I think it's a solid product. If I don't, well then, you won't see me recommending it, nor will you see me paying to send someone else a bottle.
Like I said earlier in the thread (I'm not sure if you saw it or not, since you didn't respond to it), your knowledge certainly makes for good conversation and I agree that everything should be debated. I can't tell you the science behind it because my background is not in anything even remotely related to that. That being said, based on Nate's comments, I certainly think it's worth trying (I'm not saying for all of you, I'm saying for me because I trust Nate).
So, once again, if people want to continue discrediting a product they haven't tried or that hasn't been logged here, yet, go ahead. I will wait to see some logs and wait to try it myself and then give my thoughts--good or bad.
MidwestBeast
Legend
Flex, I'll see what I can do for you after I take a crack at it myself once I get back home after the holidays.
You just have to make sure you're not running sponsored logs for 18 other products at the time lol.
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
MidwestBeast said:
Currently I'm back down to one lol.
PrepNwa23
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I think Nubs has really taken and put alot of science and concrete evidence in why this product isn't worth the money. And his words have just been dodged, oh well he's made sure i'm not going to use this product (probably wasn't going to anyways). I love some of NTBM and MR Supps products but with this product i'll skip. No amount of logs will disprove science and facts.
tnubs
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There would be no point in me buying this, even if it did work. I can get all the free oxygen I want at the hospitals i do clinicals at or at school. Ive spent enough time in lab messing around with masks and breathing pure oxygen to have personal evidence that it will not do anything. And ive worked out within a 30 minute period of doing this before, never expecting a change and never seeing a change.
When i first read this i sent the buying link to one of my clinical professors. All he had to say was "this is bull****." lol and the guy has been a M.D. longer than ive been alive. Not that he would know anything on the subject... I really would like to meet the guy who is smarter than doctors and can invent science. Its like saying all this time in school ive been lied to. For the rest of you, dont worry. RT's and anesthesiologists know real science and how to use that to save lives.
Ive still yet to get any documented/reference proof that this could make any difference in training. And zero proof for any of the claims made on the advert. People have literally posted on here that they are interested in it with zero science backing it up. I think im going to start my own company up after seeing how blindly people will follow what people tell them to believe.
But anyway, be sure to link me to the logs. I wont post any drama or debate on them.
When i first read this i sent the buying link to one of my clinical professors. All he had to say was "this is bull****." lol and the guy has been a M.D. longer than ive been alive. Not that he would know anything on the subject... I really would like to meet the guy who is smarter than doctors and can invent science. Its like saying all this time in school ive been lied to. For the rest of you, dont worry. RT's and anesthesiologists know real science and how to use that to save lives.
Ive still yet to get any documented/reference proof that this could make any difference in training. And zero proof for any of the claims made on the advert. People have literally posted on here that they are interested in it with zero science backing it up. I think im going to start my own company up after seeing how blindly people will follow what people tell them to believe.
But anyway, be sure to link me to the logs. I wont post any drama or debate on them.
tnubs
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Nothing of the claims made to NTBM have been proven. Oxygen simply cannot effect the body in the ways stated. I dont know why you put "science" in quotes. There are several fundamental equations that run the human body and this does not work out. Another thing is if you look at the claims made by NTBM and post them up next to the sources of the article a NTBM rep posed(and whats posted on the page), its a joke. Any "benefit" from this product will be placebo and nothing else.
FL3X MAGNUM
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Imeniaan said:
If you're that stingy about money why not just buy some test for a bargain price lol...
madds87
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Id be ok with it cheaper lol flex dont tell me you would hate the idea of it being cheaper... But I have thought about buying oxygen tanks or building an o2 bar. But couldnt find any good info on it..... Dunno would love to test it for running..... Hmmmm decisions decisions...
mr.cooper69
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I feel very skeptical about this product. In for results
RickRock13
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tnubs said:
I realize nothing from NTBM has been proven, and I never said it has been. Like I said earlier, I have no idea if this product will give me any benefit or not. I am not disputing any info you are throwing out there at all, and I think you make a lot of very valid points based on your knowledge and science associated with oxygen and how it will affect the body. I also believe that Nate would not release a product without knowing that it works, so I am trying to stay open minded on it. I have no idea what it will or will not do, but I will do my best to tell it like I see it. For some of you that will mean nothing because I am a rep, but hopefully some of you find it useful. I have never misled anyone on any log or review I have ever given, and i certainly am not going to start with this one.
Young Gotti
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casino's have been pumping oxygen into the air for years, to keep their players awake and alert so they can play more....for anyone who has been in a casino for extended period of time knows you feel great when your in a casino.....thats the feeling i'm hoping for from this product
ZiR RED
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I have a lot to add to this thread, and my comments will support what tnubs has said from the perspective of internal and cellular respiration, as well as the development of fatigue during high intensity exercise.
And with regards to the casino comment, the reason that O2 is released is because the air is stagnant and enclosed, and as people breath the O2 content decreases.
Br
And with regards to the casino comment, the reason that O2 is released is because the air is stagnant and enclosed, and as people breath the O2 content decreases.
Br
Young Gotti
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and to keep the players awake longer....the longer a player plays the more money they are likely to lose
bdcc
Legend
Was this to balance out the good karma from RickRock's last post? lol
This is an open forum and tnubs has a lot more knowledge on this than me. I for one am interested in his comments. He should be allowed to post his thoughts whether they are good or bad.
Young Gotti
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This is taken from the oxygen 4 energy website....not the Mr. supps site
Is Oxygen4Energy safe? Yes. All research indicates that oxygen toxicity only occurs after breathing virtually pure oxygen for hours at a time. Each can of Oxygen4Energy contains approximately one minute of continuous flow oxygen per can, is not delivered at over 99% purity and is typically administered in several short bursts. There is no research indicating that short bursts of oxygen can be detrimental to your health. In addition, Oxygen4Energy does not have an airtight delivery system, so even though the cans contain 95% oxygen, that is not even close to what you are getting in your lungs.
TheDarkHalf
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Just because it doesn't look good on paper doesn't mean it won't work in real life application. But to the same tune....just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it will work in real life either.
Regardless.....I'll give the product a shot. It's only 15.99 (without a discount)....if it doesn't work big deal. Not like i'm shelling out 50-60 bucks.
Regardless.....I'll give the product a shot. It's only 15.99 (without a discount)....if it doesn't work big deal. Not like i'm shelling out 50-60 bucks.
tnubs
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Then can you please tell me how the claims were made that goes against all scientific backing? Thats all I want to know. So far theres just been a lot of evasive maneuvers, all I want to know was how/why the claims were made.
RickRock13
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tnubs said:
Its all new news to me too brother. I never said I had scientific backing, and that isn't my background, but I'm willing to give it a try. That's all I've ever said, and will continue to maintain that stance until I see for myself. I don't understand what's so bad about that. Being open minded is not a bad thing. If I get nothing from it, like you say will happen then that's what will be said in my log. I'm not saying you are wrong about anything, but I'm also not going to count out this product because of it either. I don't expect any consumer to buy it just yet...hell I wouldn't either without hearing from users.
stopstalking
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If your skeptical wait for rickrocks log. If you have followed any of his which I'm sure almost everyone here has you know he will be very truthful and not leave out one detail.
monstermash
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jbryand101b
Banned
you guys selling air now?