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... So IMO, the only way to really get true gains are hormonals (AAS/PH/DS). ...

You're comparing apples to oranges. Of course it's all hormonal in the end, but phs supply a direct precursor to 1 hormone only (androgen) while this product amplifies 3 major hormones that are already endogenously present. Bottom line is it works. It's far more versatile that a ph also, since you can bridge with Glycobol too. ;)

As my great grandpapi used to say, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat, Berto.
 
You're comparing apples to oranges. Of course it's all hormonal in the end, but phs supply a direct precursor to 1 hormone only (androgen) while this product amplifies 3 major hormones that are already endogenously present. Bottom line is it works. It's far more versatile that a ph also, since you can bridge with Glycobol too. ;)

As my great grandpapi used to say, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat, Berto.

I respect you very much, but i must admit i'm very sceptical about this kind of supps. Like i said, i've tried almost everything without good results and wasted a lot of money. I only get big gains with PH/DS.

Anyway I think I'll try this and see if the claims are true, but I don't expect too much for any non-hormonal. I wish i'm wrong.
 
Maybe we could get a distributor in Portugal or Spain. Do you know of a store which would stock it for sale?

Hey Crowler, Its actually far better for any internationals if the postage is better rather than a distributor. Because all the distributour do is import it then charge quadruple what its worth in US and we end up paying more than importing it ourselves! (jacked in US round $25, Get it from Aus though its $99!)
Ok, now try not to get all upest here company reps this is NOT a deliberate intent to piss you off, but I cannot wrap my mind round how Get Deisel can offer such a low FLAT rate($15)!! and no one else can?
 
I just talked with Sam about shipping one or two bottles via USPS First Class to our international customers; working on the logistics, but we're getting somewhere.

That sounds like the BEST solution :)
 
I only get big gains with PH/DS.

Yeah, nothing wrong with that. However, to get big, ya gotta eat big as well, which I'm sure you know. Something like Glycobol should be very effective at shuttling and triggering a good chain of events to aid in the process. Priming your body and making certain mechanisms operate more effectively and efficiently will most definitely help. Not everyone has time to eat often, so having something like Glycobol in your arsenal is sure to help, so you can make the most of what you do have time to get in. With your system operating better, your wasting less energy, and can apply that extra energy saved to growing.
 
I may be off-target here, but will Glycobol positively affect the mechanisms covered in this study?

Leucine, when ingested with glucose, synergistically stimulates insulin secretion and lowers blood glucose, Dionysia Kalogeropouloua, Metabolism Clinical and Experimental 57 (2008) 1747–1752)
 
I may be off-target here, but will Glycobol positively affect the mechanisms covered in this study?

Leucine, when ingested with glucose, synergistically stimulates insulin secretion and lowers blood glucose, Dionysia Kalogeropouloua, Metabolism Clinical and Experimental 57 (2008) 1747–1752)

Possibly. It is speculated that the restoration of glutamate dehydrogenase activity seen with Trigonella extracts may be related to the insulinotropic constituent 4-hydroxyisoleucine (which is an analog of leucine.)
 
Dr.D, if we had to choose a moment to take Glycobol, when would be the ideal moment to take it to maximize its effects: Before a cycle, On cycle, or on PCT?
 
Dr.D, if we had to choose a moment to take Glycobol, when would be the ideal moment to take it to maximize its effects: Before a cycle, On cycle, or on PCT?

In early studies with testosterone propionate administration, a researcher named Hershberger found that glycogen content spiked within 24-72hrs, and then dropped at exactly the same time as the androgen-dependent muscle growth began (marked by an inverse rise in protein content of the muscle.) It was later confirmed in experiments with diabetic animals that many androgens could do this, like Methandriol, Winstrol, and even DHEA! Some could not, like Halotestin and methyltest. Anyway, it was realized that androgen related muscle growth was precluded in the absence of insulin, and that androgen growth was always preceded by an increase in stores of muscle glycogen. Hershberger discovered that the effect of testosterone on the muscle is mediated by a primary effect on the energy-producing process, and that protein synthesis was greatly accelerated when additional energy in the form of glycogen becomes available. That's why all the really big guys use insulin, it makes androgen work better. ;)

I like to take Glycobol strategically, with big meals to prevent fat storage, and immediately after a workout to carb load. So I will take anywhere from 2-6caps/day, and some days I may not take any. To keep it simple and get a feel for how it works, I'd recommend just using it as directed on the label, then you can tailor your applications from there. On cycle it can dramatically boost gains, off cycle it can keep you hard and full to bridge in between. Or you can use it strategically like I do. I can take a full dose after a workout at night, and wake up the next morning and tell already. The hardness and recovery is impressive. The hardness you get in your muscle is very close to that feeling you get when taking a SERM, that's the best comparison I can think of to describe how it feels. I like that feeling. :)
 
Great news!

Glycobol is shipping out to Nutra Planet.

Bad NEWS! You only have 2 days to get the free t-shirt and 1 week of free STOKED! by ordering the Glycobol presale.

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I'm curious as to why I don't have some of this in my Easter basket that you sent me, D. What's up, man? I thought we were bros! :trout:


:lol:
 
In early studies with testosterone propionate administration, a researcher named Hershberger found that glycogen content spiked within 24-72hrs, and then dropped at exactly the same time as the androgen-dependent muscle growth began (marked by an inverse rise in protein content of the muscle.) It was later confirmed in experiments with diabetic animals that many androgens could do this, like Methandriol, Winstrol, and even DHEA! Some could not, like Halotestin and methyltest. Anyway, it was realized that androgen related muscle growth was precluded in the absence of insulin, and that androgen growth was always preceded by an increase in stores of muscle glycogen. Hershberger discovered that the effect of testosterone on the muscle is mediated by a primary effect on the energy-producing process, and that protein synthesis was greatly accelerated when additional energy in the form of glycogen becomes available. That's why all the really big guys use insulin, it makes androgen work better. ;)

I like to take Glycobol strategically, with big meals to prevent fat storage, and immediately after a workout to carb load. So I will take anywhere from 2-6caps/day, and some days I may not take any. To keep it simple and get a feel for how it works, I'd recommend just using it as directed on the label, then you can tailor your applications from there. On cycle it can dramatically boost gains, off cycle it can keep you hard and full to bridge in between. Or you can use it strategically like I do. I can take a full dose after a workout at night, and wake up the next morning and tell already. The hardness and recovery is impressive. The hardness you get in your muscle is very close to that feeling you get when taking a SERM, that's the best comparison I can think of to describe how it feels. I like that feeling. :)

I don't understand that point. All we know insulin is an anabolic hormone, so it can help us to boost gains, but high levels of insulin promote fat storage, not fatloss

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So why you say run glycobol with meals to prevent fat storage?
 
I'm curious as to why I don't have some of this in my Easter basket that you sent me, D. What's up, man? I thought we were bros! :trout:


:lol:

Man, you know that's not my department! I'm still waiting for some too actually (hint, hint.. crowler) :p
 
I don't understand that point. All we know insulin is an anabolic hormone, so it can help us to boost gains, but high levels of insulin promote fat storage, not fatloss

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So why you say run glycobol with meals to prevent fat storage?

It sounds like you're thinking of insulin resistance. So yeah, if your 'big meal' consists of 3 candy bars, or 4 sodas, or a whole bag of potato chips, then I take back my statement. Glycobol is formulated to discourage insulin resistance though, so lipolysis can actually results. If you reread the write-up, there are studies referenced that explain these effects. Also, don't fail to consider the insulinomimetic components who's studies indicate desirable preference for muscle tissue.
 
It sounds like you're thinking of insulin resistance. So yeah, if your 'big meal' consists of 3 candy bars, or 4 sodas, or a whole bag of potato chips, then I take back my statement. Glycobol is formulated to discourage insulin resistance though, so lipolysis can actually results. If you reread the write-up, there are studies referenced that explain these effects. Also, don't fail to consider the insulinomimetic components who's studies indicate desirable preference for muscle tissue.

just like glucophage?
 
It sounds like you're thinking of insulin resistance. So yeah, if your 'big meal' consists of 3 candy bars, or 4 sodas, or a whole bag of potato chips, then I take back my statement. Glycobol is formulated to discourage insulin resistance though, so lipolysis can actually results. If you reread the write-up, there are studies referenced that explain these effects. Also, don't fail to consider the insulinomimetic components who's studies indicate desirable preference for muscle tissue.

Basically i feel that
1) post workout insulin sensitivity is greatest in muscle tissue, and glycobol has insulinomimetic properties and blood sugar reducing capabilities. so you decrease the amount of insulin circulating and secreted while still haveing the desirable effects on muscle tissue.
2) And when blood glucose is low, glucagon regulates that to make more sugar, and, as stated in the study you gave, it induces lipolysis.

so you really have a 2 in one product
 
Basically i feel that
1) post workout insulin sensitivity is greatest in muscle tissue, and glycobol has insulinomimetic properties and blood sugar reducing capabilities. so you decrease the amount of insulin circulating and secreted while still haveing the desirable effects on muscle tissue.
2) And when blood glucose is low, glucagon regulates that to make more sugar, and, as stated in the study you gave, it induces lipolysis.

so you really have a 2 in one product

The product is 'fool-proofed' so that you really can't go wrong, but guys like you will get even better results, because you just get it! ;) I've seen you seeking truth for awhile now CF. I admire your tenacity for answers and results my friend.
 
In effect, you might could say that. Like glucophage, but without the lactic acidosis and stomach upset.

that was the problem with phenformin which is no longer out, i think glucophage is just one of the ingredients from phenformin,

however to anyone who is listening, this can aid in GH boost as well as getting into ketosis!!! this product can help induce ketosis even while eating carbs (which is why im using it on my recomp) and if you are on the anbolic diet or anything of the sort with a carbload you can get your self into ketosis much faster by the glucose disposal, or if you just have 1 cheat meal like on dave palumbos diet you can be in ketosis by the next day!
 
In effect, you might could say that. Like glucophage, but without the lactic acidosis and stomach upset.

when compared with the insulin mimetics used on neovar rc, what would you said it is better on your product?
 
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however to anyone who is listening, this can aid in GH boost as well as getting into ketosis!!! this product can help induce ketosis even while eating carbs (which is why im using it on my recomp) and if you are on the anbolic diet or anything of the sort with a carbload you can get your self into ketosis much faster by the glucose disposal, or if you just have 1 cheat meal like on dave palumbos diet you can be in ketosis by the next day!

This is the reason I've been interested in this.
 
The product is 'fool-proofed' so that you really can't go wrong, but guys like you will get even better results, because you just get it! ;) I've seen you seeking truth for awhile now CF. I admire your tenacity for answers and results my friend.

Thanks D
 
soooooo no need for PCT and you dont have to cycle it, right?

NO PCT required, it is not a extrogenous hormone, allows one to stabilize glucose levels for longer periods of time. It works well with ph's because they both work through Glut-4, as well as creatine. You do not have to cycle off of it.
 
soooooo no need for PCT and you dont have to cycle it, right?

it is non hormonal and therefore no PCT required.

Do what you want in terms of cycling however the protective cholesterol and insulin sensitivity properties continue throughout its use,

i would use it everday im using carbs hands down, recomp i only use carbs 5 days out of the week, so ill only use it 5 days leaving 2 days to chill. but IMO no cycling neccesary.
 
so what happens if you take it on 6 and 7 will it not do any good?
it was an example, i dont eat carbs 2 days out of the week so i dont need anything to lower my blood sugar.

gains really depend on the person the diet and their ability to know their own body as well as carbohydrate timing
 
As long as you take it with carbs, just consistant gains, you could take it without food before bed to amplify gh release.

not more then 1 pill depending on your meal before bed if it contains carbs or not.

i know i personally drink a shake like before bed,

im like a baby with it right up till i fall asleep
 
soooooo no need for PCT and you dont have to cycle it, right?

Exactly!

No need for figuring out if you need a SERM or not, if you need an OTC PCT.

No need for support supplements. An easy, straight ahead supplement that will deliver good results.
 
I'm psyched to give this a go, gentlemen. This looks to be a new staple of mine. :D
 
As long as you take it with carbs, just consistant gains, you could take it without food before bed to amplify gh release.

Yes, before bed on an empty stomach is a great way to encourage a strong GH release. Add a pinch of l-dopa (or the GH booster of you choice) for a very punctuated nighttime GH response. I've applied it that way before and it also creates a pleasant relaxation that promotes better sleep. Anticipate the potential for serious leaning if you do it this way! This is good for contest prep, striation emphasis, or max fat loss ketogenic diets IMO.
 
hey Dr. D would u speculate that this product would have similar side effect of Anabolic pump, like the runs, blotchy vision, light headedness, puking, cold sweats, ect

Yes, before bed on an empty stomach is a great way to encourage a strong GH release. Add a pinch of l-dopa (or the GH booster of you choice) for a very punctuated nighttime GH response. I've applied it that way before and it also creates a pleasant relaxation that promotes better sleep. Anticipate the potential for serious leaning if you do it this way! This is good for contest prep, striation emphasis, or max fat loss ketogenic diets IMO.

wodnt the insulin negate the GH release?
 
Agreed 100%

I have taken 2 before bed and even with some carbs I have leaned out over the course of a couple weeks.

It also definitely helps me drift off to sleep and sleep soundly through the night as well.
 
I like to take Glycobol strategically, with big meals to prevent fat storage, and immediately after a workout to carb load. So I will take anywhere from 2-6caps/day, and some days I may not take any. To keep it simple and get a feel for how it works, I'd recommend just using it as directed on the label, then you can tailor your applications from there. On cycle it can dramatically boost gains, off cycle it can keep you hard and full to bridge in between. Or you can use it strategically like I do. I can take a full dose after a workout at night, and wake up the next morning and tell already. The hardness and recovery is impressive. The hardness you get in your muscle is very close to that feeling you get when taking a SERM, that's the best comparison I can think of to describe how it feels. I like that feeling. :)

As long as you take it with carbs, just consistant gains, you could take it without food before bed to amplify gh release.

So the best way to take Glycobol would be:

2 caps with your big meal, 2 caps after workout, and 2 caps before bed with empty stomach, isn't it?
 
So the best way to take Glycobol would be:

2 caps with your big meal, 2 caps after workout, and 2 caps before bed with empty stomach, isn't it?

Sounds like this is the best way...I'm getting more interested in this everyday...:18:
 
It sounds like you're thinking of insulin resistance. So yeah, if your 'big meal' consists of 3 candy bars, or 4 sodas, or a whole bag of potato chips, then I take back my statement. Glycobol is formulated to discourage insulin resistance though, so lipolysis can actually results. If you reread the write-up, there are studies referenced that explain these effects. Also, don't fail to consider the insulinomimetic components who's studies indicate desirable preference for muscle tissue.

Doesn't Berberine block Glut4 uptake into fat cells...
 
Yes, before bed on an empty stomach is a great way to encourage a strong GH release. Add a pinch of l-dopa (or the GH booster of you choice) for a very punctuated nighttime GH response. I've applied it that way before and it also creates a pleasant relaxation that promotes better sleep. Anticipate the potential for serious leaning if you do it this way! This is good for contest prep, striation emphasis, or max fat loss ketogenic diets IMO.

Awesome!
 
so DR.D what kind of gains were people getting on Glycobol?

I mostly speak for myself and my results. I have been in communication with a few of the reps who beta tested too, but I can't give you actual numbers. I was just curious as to subjective impressions more than anything.

If AI wished to post objective logs relative to this product, I think that those reports would probably be pretty impressive though.
 
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