New Muscle Gainer!

MentalTwitch said:
IN THE CART! waiting on the GF to see if she wants anything from Nutra....
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Get a bottle for her too, my wife uses it and is very happy with the weight loss.
 
DR.D said:
Yes, it might! Especially if you have Type 2 Diabetes with some pancreatic beta cell integrity still intact. This formula contains ingredients that have demonstrated insulin sensitizing/boosting effects and that could help with Type 2 for sure. With Type 1 Diabetes (insulin dependent), it probably isn't strong enough to be a viable replacement, though it does contain ingredients that have shown a direct insulinomimetic effects and could theoretically, possibly substitute for insulin. If you are already on meds for insulin/sugar control, I don't recommend you try to replace them with this product (or any other products) without first consulting your doc! :)
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Exactly, J. Type 2 diabetics may very well be able to reap some benefits from a product like this - especially those that are currently diet controlled only.

Contrary to what many people think, type 2 diabetes is a whole different beast in many ways. Very often the pancreatic beta cells as you said will still produce insulin, however the issues begin to manifest when factors such as excessive glycogenolysis (glycogen breakdown) activity within the liver leads to a persistent and difficult to control elevation in serum blood glucose despite the insulin that is produced naturally to combat it. There are also many issues with insulin resistance at the cellular level - where a product like this could help attenuate the degree of insulin receptor resistance and significantly improve glucose disposal/utilization; the end result could lead to better overall diabetic management as a whole.

While nothing is substitute for a medically managed regimen in diabetes control, but something like this can definitely help to potentiate effects and possibly decrease the frequency and/or dosing of some oral diabetic medications. Imo, it would be worth discussing with your endocrinologist as a potential adjunct to treatment.
 
Got two bottles, first order with nutraplanet... where have I been. Didn't know that there was free shipping on orders over $75. Excited about this product!
 
If you want it at your local store the best thing to do is to go to your local GNC and Vit Shoppe and request they stock it.
 
If I am 23 is this a supplement worth taking? I was told you can really mess yourself up if you jack with insulin at an early age; now granted this isn't injectable insulin but still. Also, how do you know how to asses your tolerance? Do you feel dizzy or odd when you take to much?
 
Insulin as a prescribed medicine is completely diff than this product.

What is great about Glycobol is it is fine for someone who is 23 or even 20. It is not a hormone it doesn't mess with your hormones.

It doesn't require any support supplements it doesn't require any PCT etc.

As for assessing your tolerance have you ever felt like you were low on carbs because you worked out a long time or you didn't eat in a long time? That is the feeling you get if you need more carbs. Nothing major.
 
Lene28 said:
If I am 23 is this a supplement worth taking? I was told you can really mess yourself up if you jack with insulin at an early age; now granted this isn't injectable insulin but still. Also, how do you know how to asses your tolerance? Do you feel dizzy or odd when you take to much?
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Bro, totally different than taking pure insulin, if anything this helps one utilize insulin levels better, taking more than recommend dosage can cause a slight problem but more upset stomach and nausea more than anything. Do not take more than recommended dosage, 4 is fne believe me!
 
i dont know if this has been mentioned or anything but what does this do different than anabolic pump just reading the claims it seems the same i dont really know too much about ingredients and everything. not tryin to bad mouth im just curious and lazy...
 
Spudpunx said:
i dont know if this has been mentioned or anything but what does this do different than anabolic pump just reading the claims it seems the same i dont really know too much about ingredients and everything. not tryin to bad mouth im just curious and lazy...
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Berberine is definitely a key ingredient but there are others that are also key I would guess. As to the synergy of these ingredients only time will tell. I am a bit in the dark about how berberine and na-r-ala would work together I can only speculate. Perhaps a laymen explanation would help here. I am suprised nobody has brought this up.
 
Trauma1 said:
Exactly, J. Type 2 diabetics may very well be able to reap some benefits from a product like this - especially those that are currently diet controlled only.

Contrary to what many people think, type 2 diabetes is a whole different beast in many ways. Very often the pancreatic beta cells as you said will still produce insulin, however the issues begin to manifest when factors such as excessive glycogenolysis (glycogen breakdown) activity within the liver leads to a persistent and difficult to control elevation in serum blood glucose despite the insulin that is produced naturally to combat it. There are also many issues with insulin resistance at the cellular level - where a product like this could help attenuate the degree of insulin receptor resistance and significantly improve glucose disposal/utilization; the end result could lead to better overall diabetic management as a whole.

While nothing is substitute for a medically managed regimen in diabetes control, but something like this can definitely help to potentiate effects and possibly decrease the frequency and/or dosing of some oral diabetic medications. Imo, it would be worth discussing with your endocrinologist as a potential adjunct to treatment.
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Excellent summary J! If anybody doesn't know, T1 does have the medical credentials to make these statements.
 
Lene28 said:
If I am 23 is this a supplement worth taking? I was told you can really mess yourself up if you jack with insulin at an early age; now granted this isn't injectable insulin but still. Also, how do you know how to asses your tolerance? Do you feel dizzy or odd when you take to much?
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When I take it after a w/o (I w/o at night) I get a real peaceful feeling about 45min later. Not light-headed, but certainly relaxed.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Berberine is definitely a key ingredient but there are others that are also key I would guess. As to the synergy of these ingredients only time will tell. I am a bit in the dark about how berberine and na-r-ala would work together I can only speculate. Perhaps a laymen explanation would help here. I am suprised nobody has brought this up.
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Berberine recruits the GLUT1 transporter and possibly AMP–activated protein kinase, ALA more recruits the GLUT4 maybe. There are other differences too, and it's not totally clear yet, but I'm keeping it basic like you asked. It just works to "fool-proof" the whole formula having them both in there, because many people are not very responsive to berberine alone. Also, you don't want to add too much berberine anyway, because at higher doses it can actually block carb absorption in the gut, which would obviously be counter productive to glycogen deposition and may cause stomach upset too.

Plus, it was assumed that many people might stack this with additional things that could be potentially liver toxic (if you know what I mean) so the presence of Na-r-ALA helps guard liver health as a strong anti-ox stacking partner. This form of ALA has a bioavailable yield that's about 21x more potent than regular ALA (determined by AUCs) so the dose of 500mg/day is outrageous with this supp.

All these factors were considered and the formula was calculated to work pretty much for anyone, no matter what their goal, or if they even know what their goal is. :)
 
Just a shout out to all the good people at AI, and my man Dr. D. Always good to see actual quality products, with actual science backing it up.

**Now back to farming my 2 acres in tibet for stupendoscrumpilious that I will be bringing to the market!** :D

Adams
 
There is alot of talk of this supp being hailed as the greatest natural supp. As of now, the asteroid stack of USPLabs is running away with successes and orders. Do you honestly believe that this will give USPLabs a run for their money?! And what are the pros and cons over such supps say as Prime, DTHC, etc.

I'm VERY interested to see these answers!
 
TrynaImprove said:
There is alot of talk of this supp being hailed as the greatest natural supp. As of now, the asteroid stack of USPLabs is running away with successes and orders. Do you honestly believe that this will give USPLabs a run for their money?! And what are the pros and cons over such supps say as Prime, DTHC, etc.

I'm VERY interested to see these answers!
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Thank you for the post!

USP Labs has GREAT products. The owner of USPLabs is a personal friend of mine, there is no competition here.

I am not familiar with the asteroid stack so can't say.

Please link me to where anyone said this supp is being hailed as the greatest natural sup
 
DR.D said:
Berberine recruits the GLUT1 transporter and possibly AMP–activated protein kinase, ALA more recruits the GLUT4 maybe. There are other differences too, and it's not totally clear yet, but I'm keeping it basic like you asked. It just works to "fool-proof" the whole formula having them both in there, because many people are not very responsive to berberine alone. Also, you don't want to add too much berberine anyway, because at higher doses it can actually block carb absorption in the gut, which would obviously be counter productive to glycogen deposition and may cause stomach upset too.

Plus, it was assumed that many people might stack this with additional things that could be potentially liver toxic (if you know what I mean) so the presence of Na-r-ALA helps guard liver health as a strong anti-ox stacking partner. This form of ALA has a bioavailable yield that's about 21x more potent than regular ALA (determined by AUCs) so the dose of 500mg/day is outrageous with this supp.

All these factors were considered and the formula was calculated to work pretty much for anyone, no matter what their goal, or if they even know what their goal is. :)
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That was an excellent answer thank you..
 
Is this product good for endos? Spook wrote at another site that insulin manipulating supplements isn't good for endos, but great for ectos.
And another famous product AP give many users massive bloating. I got lot of water and belly fat when took this stuff with simple carbs, even preworkout.
I just asking, no criticism.
 
It definitely doesn't bloat you, actually the opposite.

It is best taken with complex carbs.
 
markoni said:
Is this product good for endos? Spook wrote at another site that insulin manipulating supplements isn't good for endos, but great for ectos.
And another famous product AP give many users massive bloating. I got lot of water and belly fat when took this stuff with simple carbs, even preworkout.
I just asking, no criticism.
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Endos should benefit as it helps with carb intake. I know AP is also very good for fasted training thus helping to burn excess fat. I don't know if the same would be true of this product.

Aparently as Dr. D mentioned not everyone responds the same to Berberine, so the excess carbs would cause bloating I assume.
 
Sure thing no problem
 
CROWLER said:
Thank you for the post!

USP Labs has GREAT products. The owner of USPLabs is a personal friend of mine, there is no competition here.

I am not familiar with the asteroid stack so can't say.

Please link me to where anyone said this supp is being hailed as the greatest natural sup
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Crowler you Politician you! :laugh:
 
lol I really wanted to neg but . . . :)
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
GOD DAMN RIGHT!

Cant stand those F**king "Hey guys, just had to let you all know bout this new herb from India or tibet that we found" BULLSH*T. A massive insult to the average guys intelligence and just plain annoying. As you put perfectly, was made, THEN mentioned, then released. Little to no fuss. SO refreshing to be treated with some respect by a company. i'll puke and smash my Comp screen If I see another "Just had to tell you guys" thread.:rant:
Way to go AI.
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Tell us how you really feel OZ!!!:laugh:
 
dedlifter1 said:
Tell us how you really feel OZ!!!:laugh:
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Always :D
If NP can sort a better postage option for internationals (steve-0 is on it) I will be sure to grab me some of this bad boy! Anyone that inspires as much man love as Dr D MUST be good at making supps....:laugh:
 
Dr. D, I'm new to the forums here and have read nothing but positive comments for you so I trust this will be a high quality product that delivers.

However, I tried reading through most the posts and was wondering just how much gain one can expect to make on this. I just got done taking Activate Xtreme for a month and am looking to gain some size. Can results of this product be comparable to something like a creatine, test booster, etc? Basically just what kind of realistic gains in what amount of time if taken correctly with a good diet?
 
dg806 said:
Sometimes I really think people misunderstand.
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Sometimes I really think they need to do more research as opposed to them misunderstanding...There has been a ton of you Reps on here answering every question that keeps coming up and even some Reps that really have gone all out trying to HELP people, not just necessarily sell your product. That's first class support IMO....Good Job....LOL:18:
 
rkc21 said:
Dr. D, I'm new to the forums here and have read nothing but positive comments for you so I trust this will be a high quality product that delivers.

However, I tried reading through most the posts and was wondering just how much gain one can expect to make on this. I just got done taking Activate Xtreme for a month and am looking to gain some size. Can results of this product be comparable to something like a creatine, test booster, etc? Basically just what kind of realistic gains in what amount of time if taken correctly with a good diet?
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Welcome to the Board mate. But I dont think D, or anyone can answer that question. The "how much will I gain question" has too many variables man, that no one can possibly know. Plus peoples genetics etc. Everyone is different, everyone trains at a different intensity, people sleep alot/ not enough, this list goes on and on. Just grab some and try for yourself.

And yes, He inspires alot of man love. Cracks me up! :D
 
BeBig said:
Sometimes I really think they need to do more research as opposed to them misunderstanding...There has been a ton of you Reps on here answering every question that keeps coming up and even some Reps that really have gone all out trying to HELP people, not just necessarily sell your product. That's first class support IMO....Good Job....LOL:18:
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Even then Biggy, with the researching. Not everyone is good at it. Take me for example-Nice guy, but borderline retarded. So when i try and research things I end up more confused as often as not. I guess its just part an parcel with being a Rep, that you will have to be patient and often repeat yourself.
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
Even then Biggy, with the researching. Not everyone is good at it. Take me for example-Nice guy, but borderline retarded. So when i try and research things I end up more confused as often as not. I guess its just part an parcel with being a Rep, that you will have to be patient and often repeat yourself.
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True bro even myself isn't the smartest tard out there lol and I have severe CRS (Can't Remember Sh!t)...and no questions should be dumb ones i guess but alot of questions ppl ask have been previously answered, we seem to have a lot of drive by posters...LOL:laugh:
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
Always :D
If NP can sort a better postage option for internationals (steve-0 is on it) I will be sure to grab me some of this bad boy! Anyone that inspires as much man love as Dr D MUST be good at making supps....:laugh:
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anyone who pioneers a method for taking prohormones has to have serious knowledge about chemistry and recovery, and deserves respect. IMO.
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
Welcome to the Board mate. But I dont think D, or anyone can answer that question. The "how much will I gain question" has too many variables man, that no one can possibly know. Plus peoples genetics etc. Everyone is different, everyone trains at a different intensity, people sleep alot/ not enough, this list goes on and on. Just grab some and try for yourself....
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Good post!
There are no hard-and-fast rules about how much gains users can make in any definite time span. Products, such as this, that essentially optimize fat metabolism, insulin sensitivity and glucose disposal (plus a series of ancilliary benefits such as antioxidant support and so on) can be used to induce gains in lean mass, as well as trigger fat loss, depending on one's goals. This versatility in product benefits, however, requires discipline and perseverance to achieve. In particular, the user would need to figure out the best timing for product supplementation pre-CHO intake, the best form or combination of CHO that works for him/her, and the amount of CHO that his/her body can optimally utilize. Once these variables are understood and mastered, the product can not only be used to add quality lean mass, but also to shed surplus fat.
 
OzzY SluGGa said:
Always :D
If NP can sort a better postage option for internationals (steve-0 is on it) I will be sure to grab me some of this bad boy!
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I think USPS 7-10 day international starts at around $15? Light packages should not be that costly.

OzzY SluGGa said:
Anyone that inspires as much man love as Dr D MUST be good at making supps....:laugh:
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Hey, as long as we're talking about the same kind of 'man love'. Like a spotter that spits in your face a little bit, because he's yelling for you to get that last rep up. Not the kind of man love that slaps you on the butt after the set though! :p
 
rkc21 said:
Dr. D, I'm new to the forums here and have read nothing but positive comments for you so I trust this will be a high quality product that delivers.
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Welcome to the board, rkc21! Thanks for your confidence.

rkc21 said:
However, I tried reading through most the posts and was wondering just how much gain one can expect to make on this. I just got done taking Activate Xtreme for a month and am looking to gain some size. Can results of this product be comparable to something like a creatine, test booster, etc? Basically just what kind of realistic gains in what amount of time if taken correctly with a good diet?
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It's hard to say in this case. Very much diet and thus goal dependent. Plus, the presence or absence of other supps can have a profound influence on gains. As per one of your examples, simultaneous creatine ingestion could definitely act to exaggerate gains with Glycobol.
 
BeBig said:
True bro even myself isn't the smartest tard out there lol and I have severe CRS (Can't Remember Sh!t)...and no questions should be dumb ones i guess but alot of questions ppl ask have been previously answered, we seem to have a lot of drive by posters...LOL:laugh:
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I once saw a poster that said.. "There is no such thing as a dumb question, there's just lots of inquisitive idiots." :)
 
DR.D said:
I think USPS 7-10 day international starts at around $15? Light packages should not be that costly.
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You would think so. Somehow even shipping $25g costs 26.50 via USPS Priority Mail International. I passed on the info about First Class Shipping which should be cheaper, and we're still looking into it since there are different restrictions. But hopefully we can make these costs more reasonable.
 
Steveoph said:
You would think so. Somehow even shipping $25g costs 26.50 via USPS Priority Mail International. I passed on the info about First Class Shipping which should be cheaper, and we're still looking into it since there are different restrictions. But hopefully we can make these costs more reasonable.
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yeah the shipping cost for international orders is a problem, I hope you guys can do something about that cause it seems like that we are paying for another supplement with the actual costs
 
Steveoph said:
You would think so. Somehow even shipping $25g costs 26.50 via USPS Priority Mail International. I passed on the info about First Class Shipping which should be cheaper, and we're still looking into it since there are different restrictions. But hopefully we can make these costs more reasonable.
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:thumbsup:
 
nunes said:
yeah the shipping cost for international orders is a problem, I hope you guys can do something about that cause it seems like that we are paying for another supplement with the actual costs
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Maybe we could get a distributor in Portugal or Spain. Do you know of a store which would stock it for sale?
 
DreamWeaver said:
You'd be surprised!!
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I wish that be true, but i wasted a lot of money in tons of "miracle supps" without really big effects.

I only got "real" and visible results with PHs.


So IMO, the only way to really get true gains are hormonals (AAS/PH/DS). The only non-hormonal supps i use are "the basics" (proteins, carbs, creatine). Other supps are pure "marketing tactics" and you really dont get great gains (appart from the "placebo effect").
 
JBerto said:
I wish that be true, but i wasted a lot of money in tons of "miracle supps" without really big effects.

I only got "real" and visible results with PHs.


So IMO, the only way to really get true gains are hormonals (AAS/PH/DS). The only non-hormonal supps i use are "the basics" (proteins, carbs, creatine). Other supps are pure "marketing tactics" and you really dont get great gains (appart from the "placebo effect").
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That may be true for you I won't contest it... your not the only one I have heard this from but I for one have gotten very good progress from herbal products, and I know many other that have. Everybody's different...
 
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