Wilson is the Dr. with the most (as far as I know) experience studying the ergogenics and overall health benefits of PA and SL overall. He said SL Granules are just as good. Are we *really* going to argue that? IMO, and to me personally, that would put me off of whatever product/company said otherwise. I'd stick to the convenience angle, but hey, I don't own a business.... wait! I do!
Agreed .
This thread is not made for bashing PA caps. Not at all. I do use my self PA caps and they have a place in the supplement industry.
This is something i wrote before (copy/paste) to refresh and to show new guys.
here is some more info before other companies trying to say "study was done on enriched PA ".
Remember. Everything has an beginninng and how they found that PA,PS and LPA activated mTOR.
Concentrated PA such as mediaTOR IS soy PA from soy Lecithin which is enriched to 50% . like I said, It means you take less caps than if it was just 10% PA.
Higher % would play a big role IF Bioavaiability and absorption was an issue (due to other phospholipids etc), but studies show no problem With that and like I said, it would be very arogant to say "PA consumed from SL is not so good as soy lecithin enriched PA".
Concentrated PA IS soy lecithin enriched PA.It is actually SAME thing!
Do you know how scientists found that PA, PS and LPA do activate mTOR/where it all started?
Those studies are old and scientists found out that Soy Lecithin do activate mTOR but they was not sure which phospholipid or phospholipids was responsible for that.
They Isolated one by one and tested. they found that:
-Phosphatidic Acid (PA), Phosphatidyl Serine (PS) and LysoPhosphatidic Acid (LPA) was responible for signaling/activating mTOR.
They found out that other phospholipids did have other benefits. PS showed to have effect on brain Health and much more. Newer studies showing a good cortisol decreasing effect, studies done on People With ADHD (better concentration, less hyperactive).
ChemiNutra found those old studies interessting and they wanted to make PA Product.
To make it more "inovative" and to avoid taking a lot of pills, they enriched PA from soy lecithin.
They knew (from old studies) that PA would make difference (activating mTOR), so they ran studies.
So, instead of selling soy granules (which is pretty cheap and cant take so much for it), they enriched PA and could take 3-4x the price.
I would say, they are smart and they make good Money on it and will still make good Money on it.
That is the real face of business!
remember, those who ran studies on PA (hoffman,wilson,Stout etc), they know the Whole story about phospholipids and thats why they say "running SL would actually be even better. Not just because its MUCH cheaper,it let you get higher Doses of PA cheaper , but you will get high doses of other beneficial phospholipids too).
When I asked if 3g of PA would be better than 750mg (like they ran in the study). they said YES. they have data supporting this.
Remember, Cheminutra is interessting in Money. 750mg is Showing a activation of mTOR but that does not mean it is more than enough! They are interessed in more Money With less ingredient. Thats why they rather sell 750mg dose for a lot of Money than 3g. no one would buy PA caps if you needed 3g or more for Ultimate mTOR activation. would you? I dont think so!
Other way of thinking would be pretty naive!
I will still buy capsuled PA since I am bored of SL aftertaste, but I really laugh when I hear SL is not so good as concentrated PA.
I know I am repeating some things often but again:
Those who believe Soy enriched PA is better than PA from SL/which are exact same thing and same source but just higher % which does not play any role in absorption/bioavaiability.again, it means % is not important but the amount!).
Like I said, I am not bashing caps PA Products. Not at all.
I was one of first PA users (when Biotest came out With micro-PA).I liked it but 750mg was nothing compared to 1,5g or 2g. but I was tired of swallowing almost 20 PA caps prior workout.
Thats how I started to find out more about Soy lecithin , contacted Dr Wilson and other regarding old studies,info etc.
Conclution:
Do you want cheap, effective way to get high doses of PA,PS,PC and other phospholipids, then buy Soy Granules
If you dont like taste,if Your stomach cant handle big doses of SL, you are traveling etc, then caps can be added. (much higher price ofcourse).
Concentrated PA does NOT work better at all. Soy Enriched PA just let you take less Soy to get higher PA doses. thats it!
Concentrated PA (mediaTOR) is used in the study for business/sale/promotion strategy. And even a kid would know that!
So it is not like "hey they used soy enriched PA in the study. SL cant be any good".bull****
