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Boladrol Log- Bulking the Poopster

The lethargy took longer to show up, but it is as strong as m1t was now. As far as gains they are similar in weight gain, but m1t had more of an impact on strength. I am just now getting into the third week though. I would imagine 6mgs of Boladrol will be as strong or stronger than 30mgs of SD, and 15-25mgs of m1t. jmo so far

I will put it this way, and be aware I haven't been on long enough to be completely correct about this, but I think 6mgs of Boladrol would give similar if not better weight gains than SD at 30mgs, and equal or exceed strength gains from 15-25mgs of M1t.

Yes it's that strong
 
IBE said:
when is the lethargy starting in mid day or after dosing? if so maybe try spitting the dose up. is it as bad as SD?
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Nah it's a constant at this point. Interestingly I would say that for a while there I had energy onset rather quickly after administering the dose, it would then taper off and lethargy would set in. However I no longer get this energy from dosing. And I am pretty shut down at this point
 
IBE said:
when is the lethargy starting in mid day or after dosing? if so maybe try spitting the dose up. is it as bad as SD?
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I have been splitting my dose... Its mid day typically for me and doesn't necessarily have to be right after dosing, in fact its usually bout 3-4 hours after.

Its definitely stronger then the lethargy I had with sd. Really hard to fight it (if I wanted to) and when I pass out I go right into a deep sleep and its hard to be force woken (or so my lady tells me) and I am groggy for a lil while after I wake up...


thundergod said:
You don't necessarily have to take stims to combat lethargy. Some good ol' DHEA would help. 100 mgs. per day.
Or some injectable testosterone...........;)
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HereToStudy said:
As TG mentioned, do you have any Dermacrine on hand?

I guess it could skew results, but at least the lethargy wouldn't be as prominent.
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Ive always known about this as well but as mentioned I don't want to skew results.

Right now it doesnt matter as I'm not working so the lethargy doesn't bother me at all and as long as it doesn't interfere with getting in my meals or tasks I want to do during the day I see it as a good chance to have extra gh pulses and more growth.
 
how wet are the gains?

finally kicked this illness and in spite of beating my liver up with Doxycycline, im gonna start my log monday now that fever is gone.
 
Not combating lethargy? Thats tough man, I hope you hang in there :thumbsup: Log is truly great and detailed! :) Keep up the solid work!

//CC
 
ConcreteConny said:
Not combating lethargy? Thats tough man, I hope you hang in there :thumbsup: Log is truly great and detailed! :) Keep up the solid work!

//CC
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Speaking of lethargy.....what do you guys all feel is the best to combat it (besides inj test)? DHEA how much? Does it work enough? A transdermal like Dermacrine? Any other non-methlyated compounds?

Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
Speaking of lethargy.....what do you guys all feel is the best to combat it (besides inj test)? DHEA how much? Does it work enough? A transdermal like Dermacrine? Any other non-methlyated compounds?

Mr.50
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I really like Dermacrine for combating lethargy, I feel that it works really well. I think just DHEA caps though, like 100mg/day (I've read that somewhere), is good for lethargy.

Also, HCGenerate by NTBM will work very very well both on cycle for lethargy and libido and in PCT to help boost your test levels back alongside a SERM.
 
I don't remember the M1T lethargy being -that- bad-just noticeable. But then again, I was 22 or so at the time, so I was full of youthful energy. I just remember not feeling very motivated to do much outside of the gym. In the gym, I was a beast. But I've run 1-DHEA since then and it gave me horrible lethargy, almost unbearable, so perhaps age is catching up with me.

4AD UTT high-dosed (like double what the bottle says) works pretty good for lethargy IME. I've used with 30-40mg/day of Phera and it made the difference between stopping the cycle and continuing. And using 4AD UTT for just a few weeks isn't going to skew the results much if at all. And I think AMS is selling the stuff out cheap in light of their new sublinguals.

You could also go get some hormonal bloodwork done and maybe talk your doc into giving you some free samples of androgel or testim;). YMMV.

And no, I am not affiliated with AMS. I just use injectable test for lethargy nowadays-works grrreat!:D
 
too bad congress is banning any and all hormones and is preventing them from being brought to the market- dont believe me look up steroid control act of 2011




its time to switch to the darkside gentlemen
 
could be wrong but I don't think Boladrol has any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in which I can not explain. It could be possibly maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? The actual anti-estrogen effect which could explain why some are actually leaning up in the torso or are losing a lot of water weight while keeping muscle gains.
And some might not gain as much as others due to not enough carbs in diet hence the reason of weight gain more to due with glycogen not estrogen. Some are stating that muscles feel and look fuller and gains look better on days when good carb count is present.

Just a thought
 
IBE said:
could be wrong but I don't think Boladrol has any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in which I can not explain. It could be possibly maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? The actual anti-estrogen effect which could explain why some are actually leaning up in the torso or are losing a lot of water weight while keeping muscle gains.
And some might not gain as much as others due to not enough carbs in diet hence the reason of weight gain more to due with glycogen not estrogen. Some are stating that muscles feel and look fuller and gains look better on days when good carb count is present.

Just a thought
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LOL, it's kind of funny no lie to see you speculating on your own product. LMAO!
 
IT is a brand new compound.

No one knows what is going to happen, given he's had the most direct feedback via alpha testers and now beta testers I would think him "speculating" is the best we can get right now and imo is more then welcome
 
Mr.50 said:
Speaking of lethargy.....what do you guys all feel is the best to combat it (besides inj test)? DHEA how much? Does it work enough? A transdermal like Dermacrine? Any other non-methlyated compounds?

Mr.50
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I would definitely suggest dermacrine for this..... For now ;)
 
Kristofer68SS said:
You are being rude.

Pics of yourself or STFU.

SRS.
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farrellzach said:
^This
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Lol thanks guys...

Anyone that'd seen my pics should know its not my "genes", if anything my genes work in the opposite direction and I had to fight them with a crappy diet and sedentary lifestyle to get that far out of shape....

Its all good though I'm quickly making a comeback.... Before and after shots will show all the work ;)
 
poopypants said:
Lol thanks guys...

Anyone that'd seen my pics should know its not my "genes", if anything my genes work in the opposite direction and I had to fight them with a crappy diet and sedentary lifestyle to get that far out of shape....

Its all good though I'm quickly making a comeback.... Before and after shots will show all the work ;)
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Cant wait. I think your training is as detailed as your logs by what I read. Im pretty confident you'll be in some impressive shape. Keep keeping on mate!!
 
IBE said:
could be wrong but I don't think Boladrol has any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in which I can not explain. It could be possibly maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? The actual anti-estrogen effect which could explain why some are actually leaning up in the torso or are losing a lot of water weight while keeping muscle gains.
And some might not gain as much as others due to not enough carbs in diet hence the reason of weight gain more to due with glycogen not estrogen. Some are stating that muscles feel and look fuller and gains look better on days when good carb count is present.

Just a thought
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I'm not sold on this, I have had estrogen related sides...
 
HereToStudy said:
Poops, a discussion in Mich's log began on the estrogen question presented by IBE. Obviously it is hard to make a concrete statement, but based on your previous experience, are you feeling as if estrogen is or is not playing a part with this compound?
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Honestly imo... If there is an individual who has high estrogen already taking this or someone with a considerable amount of circulating estrogen they may experience direct effects of increased estrogen...

PERSONALLY, imo, I would think that this isn't converting much at all, if at all. It may also displace estrogen bound by shbg but who knows.... I have literally dropped my ai dose to one cap of 6-bromo EOD cause I'm drying out considerably in the joints... Its possible the compound is either not aromatizing all and ive just hit the perfect dose of 6-bromo to consistently dip into dry joint territory OR the combination of 6-bromo and possibly this boladrol are both effecting estrogen so much that even a small amount of an ai is drying me out to the point of painful joints.


I completely agree with the fact that this IS slamming the muscles with glycogen and its quick weight gain, strength related increases and muscle fullness all coincides with your diet and if you put away an adequate amount of carbs. In doing so you'll def benefit as opposed to be impacted negatively (fat gain is not an issue on this cycle at all).

Imo a diet high in both complex carbs and protein with minimal fats and keeping an AI on hand is the way to go for combating any issues while promoting considerable quality weight gains in lbm AND promote fat loss.... Of course for many compounds this can be considered true but one that significantly increases glycogen retention like sd, phera and as this seems to do if one doesn't try taking advantage of these effects they aren't using the compound to its full potential.
 
schwellington said:
too bad congress is banning any and all hormones and is preventing them from being brought to the market- dont believe me look up steroid control act of 2011




its time to switch to the darkside gentlemen
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Weeeeeeell......

Thank goodness for dshea compliance rules and those that chose to bring their line of products into compliance......

Bottom line is, a supplement that maintains its status legally as a supp via its dshea compliance will not be banned by any steroid ban act... Its a supplement not a steroid.

The entire Primordial Performance line meets these requirements and won't be going anywhere. Prohormones will live on. Dark side necessity averted. :D
 
IBE said:
could be wrong but I don't think Boladrol has any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in which I can not explain. It could be possibly maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? The actual anti-estrogen effect which could explain why some are actually leaning up in the torso or are losing a lot of water weight while keeping muscle gains.
And some might not gain as much as others due to not enough carbs in diet hence the reason of weight gain more to due with glycogen not estrogen. Some are stating that muscles feel and look fuller and gains look better on days when good carb count is present.

Just a thought
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Another suggestion I'd like to add as reason for fat loss is possible thyroid stimulation.

This last week I have noticed a considerable increase in body temperature and increased sweating both during the day and during sleep.... I'm always friggin hot and always hungry too... This could just be a typical androgen effect but thought I'd make mention of it since it possibly has bearing on this subject.
 
damn I want to try this compound, i am so sensitive to estrogen i would know right away lol... I guess we will have to wait and see though. But if you're drying up that much on such a low dose of AI then it looks like the estrogenic effects are rather low.

Anyway Poopy thank you for the updates you've been doing a great job here.
 
I might have to pick some of this stuff up, although i dont doubt it works, im very iffy because of the estro sides, my nipps puff up quick as can be!
 
ryansm said:
The lethargy took longer to show up, but it is as strong as m1t was now. As far as gains they are similar in weight gain, but m1t had more of an impact on strength. I am just now getting into the third week though. I would imagine 6mgs of Boladrol will be as strong or stronger than 30mgs of SD, and 15-25mgs of m1t. jmo so far

I will put it this way, and be aware I haven't been on long enough to be completely correct about this, but I think 6mgs of Boladrol would give similar if not better weight gains than SD at 30mgs, and equal or exceed strength gains from 15-25mgs of M1t.

Yes it's that strong
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15-25mg of M1T? I don't think I've ever seen it dosed that high...and honestly it would be equivalent to 60mg or more of SD from some users I've spoken with.
 
MrBigPR said:
15-25mg of M1T? I don't think I've ever seen it dosed that high...and honestly it would be equivalent to 60mg or more of SD from some users I've spoken with.
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I have ran it at 20, and so have others

60mgs of SD or more? Not seeing it
 
If Your worried about estrogen just low dose an AI and you'll be fine.

Honestly with this compound I would be more worried about getting yourself something for combating the back pumps and the lethargy.... Maybe the liver will be a major issue too, we still have to see with Ryan's final blood panel.
 
ryansm said:
I have ran it at 20, and so have others

60mgs of SD or more? Not seeing it
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Buddy of mine ran it at 10mg for 4 weeks at 228 lbs...strength was completely off the chain. I would work out with him on some occasions and OMFG, straight ridiculous. He blew me out of the water in strength gains/size and I was on 50mg of SD.
 
MrBigPR said:
Buddy of mine ran it at 10mg for 4 weeks at 228 lbs...strength was completely off the chain. I would work out with him on some occasions and OMFG, straight ridiculous. He blew me out of the water in strength gains/size and I was on 50mg of SD.
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Then his response to M1T was amazing. I tried 10mg of M1T and it was weaker than I expected, definitely weaker than 10mg of SD. Next time I run M1T i'm dosing 20-30mg.

edit: for most people M1T is stronger than SD but not by much, probably 20mg of M1T to equate to 30mg of SD. I just respond better to SD than most other steroids :)
 
MrBigPR said:
15-25mg of M1T? I don't think I've ever seen it dosed that high...and honestly it would be equivalent to 60mg or more of SD from some users I've spoken with.
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I almost always ran m1t 10-20 mg ramped(10/15/20/20), eventually just ran 20 for 4 weeks straight my last time I ran it (2004}
 
SD I never ran over 30, and had better size gains than m1t at 20. However m1t gave me better strength gains than SD at only 10mgs. I had to bump m1t up to 20 plus to see similar size gains. To each his own, but 60mgs of SD sounds like death to me.
 
ryansm said:
I'm not sold on this, I have had estrogen related sides...
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neither am I.this reminds me of the old m1t thread from years ago in a way.

after searching reading and etc about m1t when at one time I was considering a cycle of m1t I researched the **** out of it and this same question with boldadrol came up about m1t so I looked and read and etc and fell onto a lengthly thread and I came up on this quote from kj2833 that sums up this type of issue nicely.......... at least for right now anyway

Um your body can produce estrogen. It does this whenever it feels hormone levels have increased. estrogen and testosterone live in balance. there is a ratio of one to the other. when one goes up guess what happens? estrogen will increase to balance it out.

this is basic endocrinology.
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and one from patrick arnold

all estrogen is produced from the aromatization of androgenic precursors (testosterone or androstenedione)

we don't know why M-1-T or some other steroids that are not expected to still cause gyno

just accept the fact that we do not know
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please excuse the hi jack of this thread
 
poopypants said:
Another suggestion I'd like to add as reason for fat loss is possible thyroid stimulation.

This last week I have noticed a considerable increase in body temperature and increased sweating both during the day and during sleep.... I'm always friggin hot and always hungry too... This could just be a typical androgen effect but thought I'd make mention of it since it possibly has bearing on this subject.
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I've spoke of this slightly when dosing.good call on bringing this up.
 
Great thread Poopy!!! Interesting ideas on M1T too.. I ran it at 15 mgs max and was blown away by the strength gains. I would have never went higher for myself. Even 10mgs was great!!
 
poopypants said:
I almost always ran m1t 10-20 mg ramped(10/15/20/20), eventually just ran 20 for 4 weeks straight my last time I ran it (2004}
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How did you feel on that cycle and what gains did you make? Sorry if I get off track on the subject for this thread, I'm just interested - so I can decide if I should get my hands on a bottle of M1T while I have the chance :)

ryansm said:
60mgs of SD sounds like death to me.
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Sounds about the same to me :bigeyes:
 
Great friggin' log!!! Poop's, have you posted your PCT? I may have missed it... Just curious as to what you'll be running..
 
ConcreteConny said:
How did you feel on that cycle and what gains did you make? Sorry if I get off track on the subject for this thread, I'm just interested - so I can decide if I should get my hands on a bottle of M1T while I have the chance :)



Sounds about the same to me :bigeyes:
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15lbs, if not more, hard to remember, insufficient pct though and lost most of the gains... Strength was through the roof as well and dropped off fast as well....

Wish I had the chance to run it again now that I better know how to cycle (m1t was the first compound I ran, lol) but don't think that's even close to being possible unless I find a reliable place over seas to send it.

I would def pick some up if I were you and try running it, some dislike it, I loved it. But its no joke. Make sure to have an insane pct set up cause shut down is complete within days.
 
enhanced said:
Great friggin' log!!! Poop's, have you posted your PCT? I may have missed it... Just curious as to what you'll be running..
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Ya man I had it posted in the initial post but here it is anyways...
Planned PCT:
Toremifene 90/60/60/30
Erase 0/25/50/75
Primordial Performance TRS Stack
  • Sustain LV
  • TOCO 8
  • EndoAmp MAX
DAA 2-3g ed
ZMK nightly
MKV daily
Creapure (5-10g)
Beta Alanine(3-5g)
Anabolic pump (with meals)
Pslin (pre workout)
L-Dopa
Possible: Drive or Prime
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Alright After working on the car again all day today finally got the thing running....

Will be hitting chest tonight and weighing in for the first time in 4 days so tonight should def be interesting.... I'm very excited.
 
So Drive the car just long enough to get the lil lady to school and as I get back and am right around the corner from my house my car dies again and won't restart.....

I'm not letting this stop me today and although its pretty cold n windy right now I'm gonna walk to my gym, only about 3.5 miles away..... Can jog home for some cardio too, even though I hate running on pavement...

Poooops neeeeeds iiiiirrrooonnn!
 
poopypants said:
So Drive the car just long enough to get the lil lady to school and as I get back and am right around the corner from my house my car dies again and won't restart.....

I'm not letting this stop me today and although its pretty cold n windy right now I'm gonna walk to my gym, only about 3.5 miles away..... Can jog home for some cardio too, even though I hate running on pavement...

Poooops neeeeeds iiiiirrrooonnn!
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Damnnnnn that's some serious dedication! Good luck bro, keep killing it!
 
poopypants said:
So Drive the car just long enough to get the lil lady to school and as I get back and am right around the corner from my house my car dies again and won't restart.....

I'm not letting this stop me today and although its pretty cold n windy right now I'm gonna walk to my gym, only about 3.5 miles away..... Can jog home for some cardio too, even though I hate running on pavement...

Poooops neeeeeds iiiiirrrooonnn!
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damn bro, don't let it get you down man. :arms:
 
11/08/10 Workout Notes

Workout Notes:

WOw walking suuuuuuuucks..... That was not the best idea AT ALL...

my legs were burning half way there, turns out it was 4 miles one way and up hill a lot more them it seems when driving(thank goodness that meant downhill on the way home)... By the time I had the gym in visual range I could feel every bit of uneven pavement under my feet and had shin splints/pumps that just throbbed...

I was nice and warmed up for my first exercise but quickly lost momentum and was pretty burnt out and fighting to keep going every set.... wound up using last weeks weights, which was semi impressive that was even achieved, but not very accurate for checking progress...

All in all I'm happy I did it. Will I do it again? Not likely.

Db bench- 10x45, 10x55, 10x70, 9x70
Dips- 10, 10, 10, 10
Cable fly(l/r)- 10x50/50, 10x60/60, 10x70/70
Cable cross over press- 10x60, 10x60, 10x60, 10x60


Gym was closing down at this point and I had a walk home ahead of me so when I contemplated squeezing in one more exercise I didn't contemplate too long, lol..

Good news...

Weight....

206.5lbs!!! And def looking leaner!


I will prob post up some progress pics in the next day or 2.

Poops is pooped so I'm gonna check into a few other threads then crash out.
 
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