dustinr334
Banned
Frank Reynolds said:
K. Frank/guru
A new chapter...RickRock's path on the "DARK SIDE" begins...
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K. Frank/guru
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
It's not about being a guru. It's about using common sense.
Rather than cry about it why not post a rational explanation to your question? Ie. "I was just wondering because xxxx"
I mean I'd like to understand the thought process and logic behind a question like that.
Valdez, let's do a lower day Friday i gotta dl today so I'll be shot but **** it.
Rather than cry about it why not post a rational explanation to your question? Ie. "I was just wondering because xxxx"
I mean I'd like to understand the thought process and logic behind a question like that.
Valdez, let's do a lower day Friday i gotta dl today so I'll be shot but **** it.
dustinr334
Banned
Woah!!! U blew my mind. U definitely know more than me..lol
morry
Well-known member
I find that as I get lower on body fat that widow makers in 3 sets paired with circuit training, a good diet and after workout cardio, will remove the most stubborn of fat.
High rep Deads at 315x20 will do it too.
I also like torturing myself in the gym.
3 day split back to back when I'm recomping but even then I can only stand the overtraining for 5-6 weeks before I have to break for a bit.
I think ill do WMs today! I can't wait.
High rep Deads at 315x20 will do it too.
I also like torturing myself in the gym.
3 day split back to back when I'm recomping but even then I can only stand the overtraining for 5-6 weeks before I have to break for a bit.
I think ill do WMs today! I can't wait.
DangerDave
Well-known member
morry said:
You are a crazy mofo morry! You must really hate yourself lol
MrKleen73
Legend
Wait so you saw yourself as a homo with scoliosis before this log and now you are the cookie monster? Sorry I am a jack ass I know it.
Morry is a beast with a penchant for over training to the max. Only try to follow his lead if your joints are made of adamantium. Not everyone can train like him, his body is remarkably resilient. That being said he knows his sh!t.
Dustin, chill brother, you ask a question in an open forum you are not asking 1 person. You ask the same question multiple times someone who answered you already is going to get frustrated that they spent time giving you an answer and you dismissed it and asked the same question again... He is just trying to help out. On top of that Frank is one of the best built guys in this thread. Don't let his avatar fool you into thinking he is not both jacked and lean.
As far as training goes, these widowmakers tend to use a lot of energy so if you are cutting and eating in a deficit they will definitely help you lose some fat compared to a straight set of 8. However your recovery will be slower due to less cals so you have to adjust for that with your frequency. Frank is completely right about the fact that most any resistance workout is good for either goal so long as you are eating for your goal. A 5x5 program is awesome for cutting and keeping your muscle mass and density. You just take 60 seconds rest instead of 120. I am doing one that is a giant set of 9 compound exercises for the whole body that I go through 3 times with no rest. That is great for cutting and is also adding muscle to my frame. You can do any of these with bulking or cutting as an intention, the key is in the nutrition.
ScottyDoc
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DangerDave
Well-known member
ScottyDoc said:
Hahahahahahaha that is the funniest focking thing I have seen all day!
MrKleen73
Legend
MrKleen73
Legend
superbeast668
Well-known member
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks kleen. I was actually going to refer dustin to your thread in transformers to show how much mass youre gaining on what most would consider a "cutting routine". Then i got lazy, and then i remembered i was at work and typing a big long answer and finding links and such would turn my 15 minute poopie break into a 45 minute fiasco and probably a "youve been pooping for 45 minutes? Did you beat off too?" Type of question from the boss.
Either way, everyone responds differently to training. Expiramentation never hurt anyone...
Morry your a sick f*ck. Light high rep deads @315x20? I loled when i realized i might be able to turn that into a widow maker on a very good day if i was lucky.
dustinr334
Banned
morry said:
Wow I tried the wm's with deads today.. tried the 315x20...docking brutal. I nearly got kicked out of that weak as$ gym...they said I was lifting to hard. Lol. That was great .. sorry for the hostility to u others. I just don't like people popping off that I don't know sh@t an they know nothing bout me.....anyway love the wm's
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
Be careful widowmakering deads.
On any widow when form starts to break down you're done, stop.
I'll do high rep from time to time but not true wm fashion. Think I got 405 x 18 last time before form started breaking down.
On any widow when form starts to break down you're done, stop.
I'll do high rep from time to time but not true wm fashion. Think I got 405 x 18 last time before form started breaking down.
MrKleen73
Legend
Wow Widow makers on DL is hard core. That is a back thickness and typically done as a straight set so doing the 20 is beast mode for sure.
Wouldn't sweat any of the prior dialogue. I don't think Frank was accusing you of not knowing anything then again what the hell do I know.
I think you all just got wires crossed. That is was happens when you have 2000 alpha males on one site. Sometimes the rams have got to but heads. No big deal. By the way 5'10 and 248, that is a good amount of real estate there big man.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
OK... well why don't you come and we'll take a picture of you standing next to me with our shirts off and see who is so fat and who is so tiny... little brother... mini-me... Mo-Fo!!!
dustinr334
Banned
MrKleen73 said:Wow Widow makers on DL is hard core. That is a back thickness and typically done as a straight set so doing the 20 is beast mode for sure.
Wouldn't sweat any of the prior dialogue. I don't think Frank was accusing you of not knowing anything then again what the hell do I know.
I think you all just got wires crossed. That is was happens when you have 2000 alpha males on one site. Sometimes the rams have got to but heads. No big deal. By the way 5'10 and 248, that is a good amount of real estate there big man.
Lol. So true bout alpha males. Haven't updated my profile. I went on a hard cut. Weight is 217 now. Pump looks amazing when in gym
dustinr334
Banned
Frank Reynolds said:
Cool..got it! When form breaks stop.
MrKleen73
Legend
WOOHOO you all heard it here first. Scotty just put up his finished physique at the end of this contest against Morry's physique. Lets get those pics up in a thread and we will take a vote on it!
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Yes, right next to one another side by side... as in the same photo, not two photos side by side!
MrKleen73
Legend
Is your avi up to date or is that you at 248? Your arms look HUGE!
MrKleen73
Legend
Nice, Morry, what say you? You in on this one?
dustinr334
Banned
MrKleen73 said:
That was round 230.. thanks
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
**** is getting real in here. Lol
LiveToLift
Legend
MrKleen73 said:
So true! This is how the transformers started if I'm not mistaken..
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah 3 weeks, we can do a poll that anyone can vote in, or if you all would rather it be the guys in the Transformers contest judging I am sure we would all be happy to oblige. I know I could be unbiased for sure. I guess the one stipulation was that the pose down is side by side in the same pictures.
So I guess this is quite simply the person with the best overall physique wins?
So I guess this is quite simply the person with the best overall physique wins?
RickRock13
Well-known member
Good lord, a lot of things happened while I was gone. Everything from widowmakers to this next CHALLENGE?!!
Morry vs. ScottyDoc in the same photo! Nice! Can't wait to see how that one pans out...lol
Morry vs. ScottyDoc in the same photo! Nice! Can't wait to see how that one pans out...lol
dustinr334
Banned
RickRock13 said:
Yea. We got a little outta line with the widowmakers,lol... gotta love these forums!!
The challenge is great. Can't wait for the finale
RickRock13
Well-known member
Day 18
Weight: 175 (+10)
Dosed 60mg Epi
Dosed 4.5mg Albuterol
Well, today is a burn day. For some reason I looked leaner today. I don't know if it was from drying out some or what it actually is, but I certainly looked less bloated this morning and my weight went down a half pound from the previous day also. I kept cardio pretty short and sweet today. Just a 20 minute session of running the treadmill at 7.5 MPH
I'm really looking forward to tomorrows workout. I really think there will be some nice strength gains tomorrow and tomorrow officially begins my second round of all the DC workouts, so the progression is really starting now that the initial starting reps and weights are out of the way. Should be a good time from here!
Tomorrow is my next pin as well
Weight: 175 (+10)
Dosed 60mg Epi
Dosed 4.5mg Albuterol
Well, today is a burn day. For some reason I looked leaner today. I don't know if it was from drying out some or what it actually is, but I certainly looked less bloated this morning and my weight went down a half pound from the previous day also. I kept cardio pretty short and sweet today. Just a 20 minute session of running the treadmill at 7.5 MPH
I'm really looking forward to tomorrows workout. I really think there will be some nice strength gains tomorrow and tomorrow officially begins my second round of all the DC workouts, so the progression is really starting now that the initial starting reps and weights are out of the way. Should be a good time from here!
Tomorrow is my next pin as well
MrKleen73
Legend
Sounds sweet, can't wait to hear it. When I do it right I look best when I wake up on a burn day. It means I got just enough carbs for my muscles to soak up and pull any subq water into the muscle with it. When on anabolics it is easier to hit that mark too because the glut 4 reaction in the muscle is intensified.
RickRock13
Well-known member
MrKleen73 said:
You may have something there with that Kleen. I couldn't figure out why the hell I looked leaner following a workout day with the higher carbs. Definitely enjoying the fullness though
RickRock13
Well-known member
Day 19
Weight: 175.5 (+10.5)
Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 250mg Masteron E
Dosed 60mg Epi
Well, I can honestly say that I think I have pinning down good now. The last two times I've pinned I can't even tell I did it, so I must be doing something right. I mean absolute zero feeling of pain or any sensation whatsoever. On another note, my joints are definitely starting to feel some abuse, particularly in my legs. I've started up some Cissus, glucosamine, and MSM to help with it. I noticed a lot of pain the last time I ran too, so I may have to stick to other forms of cardio for a while until my joints feel good again. Other than that I'm having zero side effects so far.
As expected, I had some nice things going for my workout. I seen some nice strength gains in all exercises, with the biggest one on hammer trench chest presses. I went up 20 lbs on it and still matched every rep I did the last time. I could have and should have went up more, so I will go up at least another 20 lbs the next time I do them. DB shoulder presses is the only exercise I didn't add any weight to but I did add reps. I did this because I was trying to get to a higher rep range anyways with the exercise. I was a little disappointed with my chins at first. I went up 10 lbs on it, but I wanted a couple more reps. Then I realized that I really added closer to 20lbs because my weight has went up 10 lbs also...lol
(chest, shoulders, triceps, back width, back thickness)
Hammer strength chest press (rest, pause)
255x13x4x3 (+20 lbs)
DB shoulder press (rest, pause)
70sx14x6x4 (+ 4 reps)
Smith machine close grip bench (rest, pause)
160x10x5x3 (+10 lbs)
Chins (ret, pause)
BW + 55 x7x3x2 (+10 lbs)
Seated Tbar rows (straight sets)
205x10x8 (+15 lbs)
Weight: 175.5 (+10.5)
Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 250mg Masteron E
Dosed 60mg Epi
Well, I can honestly say that I think I have pinning down good now. The last two times I've pinned I can't even tell I did it, so I must be doing something right. I mean absolute zero feeling of pain or any sensation whatsoever. On another note, my joints are definitely starting to feel some abuse, particularly in my legs. I've started up some Cissus, glucosamine, and MSM to help with it. I noticed a lot of pain the last time I ran too, so I may have to stick to other forms of cardio for a while until my joints feel good again. Other than that I'm having zero side effects so far.
As expected, I had some nice things going for my workout. I seen some nice strength gains in all exercises, with the biggest one on hammer trench chest presses. I went up 20 lbs on it and still matched every rep I did the last time. I could have and should have went up more, so I will go up at least another 20 lbs the next time I do them. DB shoulder presses is the only exercise I didn't add any weight to but I did add reps. I did this because I was trying to get to a higher rep range anyways with the exercise. I was a little disappointed with my chins at first. I went up 10 lbs on it, but I wanted a couple more reps. Then I realized that I really added closer to 20lbs because my weight has went up 10 lbs also...lol
(chest, shoulders, triceps, back width, back thickness)
Hammer strength chest press (rest, pause)
255x13x4x3 (+20 lbs)
DB shoulder press (rest, pause)
70sx14x6x4 (+ 4 reps)
Smith machine close grip bench (rest, pause)
160x10x5x3 (+10 lbs)
Chins (ret, pause)
BW + 55 x7x3x2 (+10 lbs)
Seated Tbar rows (straight sets)
205x10x8 (+15 lbs)
RickRock13
Well-known member
mich29 said:very nice work.the dark side is the best side
I agree man. The grass is much greener on this side.
RickRock13
Well-known member
morry said:
From this point forward its looking like the only side for me. I know its early in the cycle, but I believe I've seen the light through the DARK SIDE :sgrin:
jaycuda
Well-known member
You're pulling me over, Rick. :fing26: haha
DangerDave
Well-known member
I have recently took the plunge into the DARK SIDE.... I'm sold! Dark Side or no Side!
MrKleen73
Legend
Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.
And double chocolate fudge cake... It is the DARK side after all.
RickRock13
Well-known member
jaycuda said:
Come on over man. The waters fine!
DangerDave said:
Hell yeh bro....the only way to go!
Hcc5881 said:Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.
....and gains!
MrKleen73 said:
Yes!!! :yumyum:
RickRock13
Well-known member
Day 21
Weight: 178.5 (+13.5 lbs)
Dosed 60mg epi
Dosed 4.5mg Albuterol
WOW! After eating quite a bit of "bad" food the last couple days, my weight rose quite a bit, but unfortunately so did the bloat. I definitely had quite a bit of bloat this morning waking up to that scale weight. I'm sure that weight wil come down some over the next couple days. Today is a burn day so I would expect it to come down some by tomorrow. I did make an attempt to clean up some today, and the diet was kept mostly clean. though me and the wife did go out for a movie today and I had a buttload of popcorn at the theater. So because of all that sodium, ,my weight may still be up quite a bit tomorrow.
I did a 60 minute cardio session today, and even though my endurance was very good....I had a lot of pain in my shins and calves that kept me from pushing too much. So I didn't get to run as much as I had wanted. I did run for about 20 minutes with a break a couple times in there at 7.5 MPH. then I did HIIT for 15 minutes of running one minute at 10 MPH followed by one minute at 3 mph alternating. The rest of the 60 minutes was incline treadmill walking 10% @ 3.5 MPH
Total burn: 825 cals
Weight: 178.5 (+13.5 lbs)
Dosed 60mg epi
Dosed 4.5mg Albuterol
WOW! After eating quite a bit of "bad" food the last couple days, my weight rose quite a bit, but unfortunately so did the bloat. I definitely had quite a bit of bloat this morning waking up to that scale weight. I'm sure that weight wil come down some over the next couple days. Today is a burn day so I would expect it to come down some by tomorrow. I did make an attempt to clean up some today, and the diet was kept mostly clean. though me and the wife did go out for a movie today and I had a buttload of popcorn at the theater. So because of all that sodium, ,my weight may still be up quite a bit tomorrow.
I did a 60 minute cardio session today, and even though my endurance was very good....I had a lot of pain in my shins and calves that kept me from pushing too much. So I didn't get to run as much as I had wanted. I did run for about 20 minutes with a break a couple times in there at 7.5 MPH. then I did HIIT for 15 minutes of running one minute at 10 MPH followed by one minute at 3 mph alternating. The rest of the 60 minutes was incline treadmill walking 10% @ 3.5 MPH
Total burn: 825 cals
GreenEarth
Active member
lol man careful with the diet...keep it clean! While not on cycle it's pretty easy to cheat around with that bad food, but when you're on substances that have a relation to heightened blood pressure, you may want to be better safe than sorry with the food lol.
RickRock13
Well-known member
GreenEarth said:
It's nothing new for me to cheat a little on the weekends bro. I agree with you completely about watching things though. I've been a little more lenient than normal on weekends while I'm trying to add mass. Here in another 3 weeks or so when I start shredding up, I will tighten things up quite a bit all over, especially on the weekends. Thanks for the input!
GreenEarth
Active member
No problem man. And by all means, live a little on the weekends, life is too short.
RickRock13
Well-known member
GreenEarth said:
I agree, and it certainly makes my wife happy when the diet is looser on the weekends.