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Finally. THE BLR PRE WORKOUT THREAD. New product leaks

There is a study where ganoderma showed 5-alpha reductase inhibition and reduced BHP.
Was a rat study though and while this is a great starting point rats intestinal tract is not identical to humans and there may be a different result in humans. Furthermore there are multiple drug MOAs lumped into (anti-androgen)
For example 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. These prevent testosterone conversion to DHT. This lowers DHT and reduces DHT binding to the prostate. There are also drugs that block androgens from binding to the androgen receptor. This then blocks the effects of test, DHT and most steroids. OF course depending on binding affinity etc but we dont need to get this far into things to make the point.
Anti-androgens that prevent binding are to be avoided like the plague. Unless they are more anabolic than test (UNLIKELY)
Things that reduce 5-alpha reductase are less problematic generally speaking although I would usually avoid myself.

Finally, as I stated above, one effect seen in a rat study doesnt always directly convert to humans and in this case the evidence I have seen indicates that we dont have any reason to be concerned.

I have personally been taking PEAK02 at 2 grams a day for 3 months consistent.
My current DHT levels=
 

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I would for sure not give you guys anything I know to be significantly anti- androgenic.
 
@brundel

Is peak02 the only ingredient in the pre that has been revealed thus far?

When do you plan on revealing the full ingredient profile?

Also, besides the BLR website, where will we be able to purchase the Pre and how soon?
 
brundel said:
I also dont want to say that stimulants cant help. They can and we do include some. Just not super high doses.
Also like stated above some people just need the stims to be able to drag ass into the gym because their life's workload is so high.
What I am saying is OPTIMALLY, low stims is ideal for performance when in a combination with things like vasodilators. Many guys think that because you "Feel" the stimulant the pre workout product must work well. Not so.
It just means the stimulants work well.
I also think that many people have lost sight of what these supplements are for and are just addicted to the stims.

Recently I went to deliver a sample of the pre to someone I know. I met him at his work, explained the formula and that we are using a low stim model so as to get the most out of the other ingredients. I turned to talk to someone else at the office and when I went back to my friend he had already mixed it up and was halfway through drinking it.
At work.
0 intention to go to the gym. He was like "cant wait for this to kick in!!"
First hes a moron or just didnt hear a word I said but we can leave that alone.
WHats interesting is that more and more people are just using pre workout supplements specifically for the stimulant boost. Not bad for supp sales but not the smartest choice of mid day pick me ups.
Pre=30-45$ Many of these have less than 30 doses.
Bag of caffeine that will last you months 20$
Plus your wasting (but still paying for) all the other performance enhancing stuff.

Better to utilize the performance enhancing stuff in the gym and drink some coffee or caffeine. Or a mixed stim product.
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So true! I’ve found myself wanting just the stim boost especially early on. A lot of that is training in the wee hours of the morning...However, there is a big difference in a crap pwo with mostly stimulants and one with high quality ingredients that actually improve your workouts!
 
All moved into our new home and pretty much settled and chomping at the bit to gym out with this!
I've reduced my supplement intake to pretty much zero for months. Forced reset. Injuries... and moving.

Really looking forward to this.

I've used PEAK02 and logged it on here with great results in stamina. I remember dropping the tub on the floor and scooping what precious contents that spilt on the floor gingerly into the container again. 3 second ... 3 minute rule... lol.
 
Josh141090 said:
@brundel

Is peak02 the only ingredient in the pre that has been revealed thus far?

When do you plan on revealing the full ingredient profile?

Also, besides the BLR website, where will we be able to purchase the Pre and how soon?
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So far I have revealed a few.
Peak 02
Glycerpump
Betain
Caffeine
There are of course others and we will start to talk about them soon.

As of right now we expect the launch to be through the BLR website. After launch it will be available all over.
 
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Lets get this ouuutttt. (Take your time, im just impatient about this one - dont take too much time).
 
Doing my best to get it out quickly. 2 of the ingredients are uncommon and hard to make.
So it has to be custom made which takes time. We are getting close.
 
I also want to mention we will have a new anabolic following right behind it.
Using it right now. FANTASTIC stuff.
 
brundel said:
So far I have revealed a few.
Peak 02
Glycerpump
Betain
Caffeine
There are of course others and we will start to talk about them soon.

As of right now we expect the launch to be through the BLR website. After launch it will be available all over.
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This looks solid so far. I love Peak 02. When I ran out of Xtend Elite, I had to buy it in bulk, but it is difficult to mask the flavor even when mixing it with flavored items. Peak 02 really decreases the time I need to rest between sets.
 
brundel said:
I also want to mention we will have a new anabolic following right behind it.
Using it right now. FANTASTIC stuff.
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Thought you already covered bases on the natty anabolics part. Is this going to be an upgrade of Vector or Follidrone?
P.S- Check WhatsApp
 
AntM1564 said:
This looks solid so far. I love Peak 02. When I ran out of Xtend Elite, I had to buy it in bulk, but it is difficult to mask the flavor even when mixing it with flavored items. Peak 02 really decreases the time I need to rest between sets.
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Really excited to try because I have never used peak 02 before.
 
AntM1564 said:
This looks solid so far. I love Peak 02. When I ran out of Xtend Elite, I had to buy it in bulk, but it is difficult to mask the flavor even when mixing it with flavored items. Peak 02 really decreases the time I need to rest between sets.
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Yah I love the PEAK02.
Yesterday I forgot my pre on the way to gym so trained without it.
FOR SURE noticed the difference.
Weaker
Less endurance
Pump was vastly less
Not gonna make that mistake again.
It sure is mushroomy though. Cant wait for some flavor to mask it.
 
jtmass said:
Thought you already covered bases on the natty anabolics part. Is this going to be an upgrade of Vector or Follidrone?
P.S- Check WhatsApp
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Nope it will be a completely different product.
Honestly I could do 2 but we are gonna hold off. This is gonna be super tasty though. ;)
Prob released right after the pre.
 
brundel said:
So far I have revealed a few.
Peak 02
Glycerpump
Betain
Caffeine
There are of course others and we will start to talk about them soon.

As of right now we expect the launch to be through the BLR website. After launch it will be available all over.
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You guys don’t ship to Australia, right?
 
brundel said:
So far I have revealed a few.
Peak 02
Glycerpump
Betain
Caffeine
There are of course others and we will start to talk about them soon.

As of right now we expect the launch to be through the BLR website. After launch it will be available all over.
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Doesn’t look that innovative so far lol
 
horizons said:
Doesn’t look that innovative so far lol
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While I feel it’s hard to make a preworkout “innovative” per say, combining ingredients at efficacious doses that are proven to work can really take your workouts to the next level and I know Brundel will, no doubt, do that.
 
3clipseGT said:
While I feel it’s hard to make a preworkout “innovative” per say, combining ingredients at efficacious doses that are proven to work can really take your workouts to the next level and I know Brundel will, no doubt, do that.
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All these new reps and no new leaks. Jerks.
 
He's not going to release the full ingredient list and/or label until the product is within 48 hours of release. He never does - he has been ripped off by releasing his formulas before completely ready for release, therefore he doesnt do that anymore. Pretty easy concept to comprehend. And honestly, wtf does just seeing the formula do for you if you cant buy the **** anyway? If he releases the formula then we have to wait for the product release people will just bitćh about that, so its not like it gets people to quit bitćhing and moaning.
 
jswain34 said:
He's not going to release the full ingredient list and/or label until the product is within 48 hours of release. He never does - he has been ripped off by releasing his formulas before completely ready for release, therefore he doesnt do that anymore. Pretty easy concept to comprehend. And honestly, wtf does just seeing the formula do for you if you cant buy the **** anyway? If he releases the formula then we have to wait for the product release people will just bitćh about that, so its not like it gets people to quit bitćhing and moaning.
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1st why are you so worked up over this? We cant I ask a simple question anymore on these forums??? I dont get the hostility ITT, its really odd

2nd by releasing the formula we get to see the ingredients, no? This is suppose to be a ground breaking new preworkout no? Yet all the ingredients so far are pretty common. I am curious to see what he has put together, is there anything wrong in that?

3rd, how is anyone going to steal this formula within 48 hours if it has already been said that 2 of the ingredients are taking awhile to acquire. Wouldn't this formula thief have the same issue sourcing the raws?
 
carguy123 said:
1st why are you so worked up over this? We cant I ask a simple question anymore on these forums??? I dont get the hostility ITT, its really odd

2nd by releasing the formula we get to see the ingredients, no? This is suppose to be a ground breaking new preworkout no? Yet all the ingredients so far are pretty common. I am curious to see what he has put together, is there anything wrong in that?

3rd, how is anyone going to steal this formula within 48 hours if it has already been said that 2 of the ingredients are taking awhile to acquire. Wouldn't this formula thief have the same issue sourcing the raws?
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Personally, I can't wait either. :)
 
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carguy123 said:
Been waiting for 2 months watching this thread, still no label lol
If 2 of these extracts are so hard to get no one is going to copy this formula before you release it
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Patients is the key. Not to mention when it comes it out comes out so and we will announce it .
 
carguy123 said:
Been waiting for 2 months watching this thread, still no label lol
If 2 of these extracts are so hard to get no one is going to copy this formula before you release it
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Patients is the key. Not to mention when it comes it out comes out so and we will announce it .
 
carguy123 said:
Been waiting for 2 months watching this thread, still no label lol
If 2 of these extracts are so hard to get no one is going to copy this formula before you release it
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Patients is the key. Not to mention when it comes it out comes out so and we will announce it .
 
Carguy sorry that I came off hostile. I've just grown tired of all of the bitching and moaning and griping that I see all over the internet every day and let it "trigger me" for some reason. My apologies, i guess i just dont get what the point of person after person continually coming in here and saying the same thing. The dude (Brundel) has responded, several times in the past week or two. I just dont get what new information everyone keeps asking for. I want the product to drop too, but what is the benefit of coming in here and saying the same things over and over again? We just have to wait. Bottom line.
 
I just want to know the flavors at this point lol. DONT YOU SEND ME THAT BROWN BAGGIE AGAIN BRUNDEL!

Nah all in all lets look to the flavoring at this point. I think an apple flavor may be choice!
 
The anticipation is part of the excitement! Haha
 
TheMovement said:
I just want to know the flavors at this point lol. DONT YOU SEND ME THAT BROWN BAGGIE AGAIN BRUNDEL!

Nah all in all lets look to the flavoring at this point. I think an apple flavor may be choice!
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I will take a brown baggie from brundel any day if the week ;)

Funny you should mention that about the apple flavor. I almost mentioned Fuji Apple as a flavor suggestion. I love Fuji apples!
 
What about product names? What do you think he will name this? I think it would be fun to hear suggestions for that too!

I think “ROAR” would be cool, and appropriate for the brand..
 
jswain34 said:
Carguy sorry that I came off hostile. I've just grown tired of all of the bitching and moaning and griping that I see all over the internet every day and let it "trigger me" for some reason. My apologies, i guess i just dont get what the point of person after person continually coming in here and saying the same thing. The dude (Brundel) has responded, several times in the past week or two. I just dont get what new information everyone keeps asking for. I want the product to drop too, but what is the benefit of coming in here and saying the same things over and over again? We just have to wait. Bottom line.
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This guy gets it
 
Resolve10 said:
Those are pretty common in my regiment so I’m excited to see the rest.
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We tested dozens of ingredients. Originally my goal was to have the formula be extremely unique but in testing I found some ingredients just worked well. Glycerpump for example is fantastic when combined with betain, Peak02,the right vasodilators and light stims. Not overly stimmed. Just a small kick and a **** ton of pump.
Im using it now and I can tell you guys you wont be disappointed.
Ive tested pretty much everything available and this is the best combo we could find.
We will start talking about the last few ingredients soon.
 
TheMovement said:
I just want to know the flavors at this point lol. DONT YOU SEND ME THAT BROWN BAGGIE AGAIN BRUNDEL!

Nah all in all lets look to the flavoring at this point. I think an apple flavor may be choice!
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Yah sorry bro. You got the goo. The next packs that go out will be flavored.
Ill likely send a set of 3 different flavors to a handful of guys and well see what everyone thinks of the flavor.
We are working hard to get this out quick but 2 of the ingredients are not commonly carried anywhere.
So they have to be custom synthesis. Unfortunately this REALLY slows things down.
Say it takes 2-3 weeks to make. This means it takes 2-3 weeks to get samples for flavor testing vs overnight for most companies pre because they use stuff thats in every other product and is readily available.
Be patient please.
Im taking a non flavored version currently and I can tell you its very good. You guys will be stoked.
We should have an INCOMPLETE label and some bottle renders soon. ;)
 
Ricky10 said:
What about product names? What do you think he will name this? I think it would be fun to hear suggestions for that too!

I think “ROAR” would be cool, and appropriate for the brand..
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Honestly I would do another public QnA about this but the last time we ran a thread a competitor used some of the names. Names we would have likely used.
Not gonna do that again.
 
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