The New Product Release Thread

[carmaf]

The labels of c4 I was able to pull up aren't even close to two scoops of modern pre.


But I also work out fasted so carbs are meh

I use C4 bc it's as cheap as they come in Canadian stores and I don't have to order it online. The point is, both profiles are not amazing, 2 scoops, 1 scoop, it's all just flavoured caffeine with some pump & tingle (the Nitrates in C4 actually give me more pump than anything other than HV for some strange reason) and other nonsenseio garbagio.

Neuro at the very least has some interesting new additions (Zembrin, Teacrine, not bad doses of Noots at 2 scoops) which make it worth my while, whereas Modern Pre just has Citrulline Malate(who doesn't nowadays) and Cognizin. Everything else is not needed.

Price would determine what I would buy. If it costs more than C4, I would rather just spend that money on a better pre altogether, not something marginally better. Also I never have and never will buy USPLabs so there is that.

 

[Synapsin]

Yeah other than the dose of Cognizin and Citrulline-Malate, everything is either meh or not needed in a pre.

Where is the profile?

 

[carmaf]

Where is the profile?

I posted it earlier in the thread

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For all this talk about increasing reps and crazy profile....

 

[Synapsin]

I posted it earlier in the thread



For all this talk about increasing reps and crazy profile....

lol wow, very bad indeed

 

[carmaf]

I guess after all the spiking and attempts to kill their consumers they ran out of tricks.

 

[LLN]

Guys, this is not the proper way to express your disappointment. Says to forward to your concerns to the indicated phone.

Problem is I don't know any federal prisons with a 1-800 number...

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Ooo do tell

let's just say you can stay fasted or have some carbs for performance. the choice for gains and strength is up to you my friend.

 

[GNO]

I use C4 bc it's as cheap as they come in Canadian stores and I don't have to order it online. The point is, both profiles are not amazing, 2 scoops, 1 scoop, it's all just flavoured caffeine with some pump & tingle (the Nitrates in C4 actually give me more pump than anything other than HV for some strange reason) and other nonsenseio garbagio.

Neuro at the very least has some interesting new additions (Zembrin, Teacrine, not bad doses of Noots at 2 scoops) which make it worth my while, whereas Modern Pre just has Citrulline Malate(who doesn't nowadays) and Cognizin. Everything else is not needed.

Price would determine what I would buy. If it costs more than C4, I would rather just spend that money on a better pre altogether, not something marginally better. Also I never have and never will buy USPLabs so there is that.

You try ever try Conqu3r (DGE) or the new Unleashed? We will be carrying it at a CDN retailer...pm if you are interested

 

[The Solution]

I don't mind doing 2 scoops for C4(30 becomes 15) bc it's cheap, if Modern Pre costs more than C4 that's a waste IMO.

I also take nothing except the harnessed energy from the sun and the stars to fuel my endeavors Mr. Solution. Know this.

Modern Pre will probably be as cheap as it comes on their IC Release on the 30th. May be worth grabbing a few tubs to see how it suits you. Not everyone has the same feedback
you also know that C4 has carbs in it right? so essentially your "Breaking your fast" by taking C4

 

[pyrobatt]

Modern Pre will probably be as cheap as it comes on their IC Release on the 30th. May be worth grabbing a few tubs to see how it suits you. Not everyone has the same feedback
you also know that C4 has carbs in it right? so essentially your "Breaking your fast" by taking C4

I stopped caring about extra carbs/calories in preworkouts. Whats it going to do with those 6 to 20 calories? Improve my performance? Haha!

I actually don't mind it.

 

[carmaf]

You try ever try Conqu3r (DGE) or the new Unleashed? We will be carrying it at a CDN retailer...pm if you are interested

Sent.

 

[De__eB]

I posted it earlier in the thread



For all this talk about increasing reps and crazy profile....

I wouldn't say it's an awful preworkout...

I wouldn't say it's a great preworkout either...

It's fully dosed creatine, betaine, cognizin, caffeine, citmal and decently dosed beta-alanine.

Nothing groundbreaking but, perhaps almost ironically given current events, I think ModernPre is a step in the direction that most of the industry is going to have to go in, at least in regards to big brands.

What do you think a great compliant preworkout on the market right now that has a formula that can move in the brick and mortar space? Just curious

 

[Misfit28]

I wouldn't say it's an awful preworkout...

I wouldn't say it's a great preworkout either...

It's fully dosed creatine, betaine, cognizin, caffeine, citmal and decently dosed beta-alanine.

Nothing groundbreaking but, perhaps almost ironically given current events, I think ModernPre is a step in the direction that most of the industry is going to have to go in, at least in regards to big brands.

I agree. It's got proven ingredients for sure.

 

[LLN]

I agree. It's got proven ingredients for sure.

But who was Arginine?

 

[carmaf]

I wouldn't say it's an awful preworkout...

I wouldn't say it's a great preworkout either...

It's fully dosed creatine, betaine, cognizin, caffeine, citmal and decently dosed beta-alanine.

Nothing groundbreaking but, perhaps almost ironically given current events, I think ModernPre is a step in the direction that most of the industry is going to have to go in, at least in regards to big brands.

What do you think a great compliant preworkout on the market right now that has a formula that can move in the brick and mortar space? Just curious

For me personally, I either want stim punch, focus, or pump and the holy grail is all 3. I don't care about cheap raws I can add if I want, or just take Ergonine.

Other than Cognizin, those are full doses of very cheap ingredients that I also don't really need pre, as most need to be taken daily over time and I don't want to use a pre every day. If I want full doses of a bunch of ingredients, PreJym, PreKaged are options. I would even take stim free Carbon Prep or Conqu3r as well. HV + Alphamine or HV + FocusXT. A lot of options, maybe more costly, but if I want something really cheap like I said I use C4.

 

[Woody]

I wouldn't say it's an awful preworkout...

I wouldn't say it's a great preworkout either...

It's fully dosed creatine, betaine, cognizin, caffeine, citmal and decently dosed beta-alanine.

Nothing groundbreaking but, perhaps almost ironically given current events, I think ModernPre is a step in the direction that most of the industry is going to have to go in, at least in regards to big brands.

What do you think a great compliant preworkout on the market right now that has a formula that can move in the brick and mortar space? Just curious

It's not sexy by any means but the formula is solid. I'm sick as hell so I haven't been able to test mine yet. I don't particularly care how sexy my preworkout is.

I think no matter what USP labs did people would be down on the release. New novel ingredient? Oh probably faked the COA who knows what it is. Boring with proven, effective ingredients? ROFL Y U SO LAME!

I do agree this is a step in the right direction. I've always been iffy on brand new groundbreaking ingredients promising 105 lbs of super saiyan mass with only one or two studies.

 

[Synapsin]

I do agree this is a step in the right direction. I've always been iffy on brand new groundbreaking ingredients promising 105 lbs of super saiyan mass with only one or two studies.

lmao at super saiyan

 

[pyrobatt]

Orchilean is the new stim in cannibal ferox.

 

[carmaf]

It's not sexy by any means but the formula is solid. I'm sick as hell so I haven't been able to test mine yet. I don't particularly care how sexy my preworkout is.

I think no matter what USP labs did people would be down on the release. New novel ingredient? Oh probably faked the COA who knows what it is. Boring with proven, effective ingredients? ROFL Y U SO LAME!

I do agree this is a step in the right direction. I've always been iffy on brand new groundbreaking ingredients promising 105 lbs of super saiyan mass with only one or two studies.

I don't mind spending more money on a pre (what's an extra 15 dollars anyways?) or combining a stim and non stim(which is costly) because I don't abuse pres so my tubs last a while. I either want cheap or quality, no weird middle ground. If Modern Pre and C4 neuro are the same price, I would take C4 Neuro bc it at least has Theacrine + Caffeine which I have heard gives a nice kick.

In my post above I mentioned a ton of other options, and there are a ton more out there(never tried it but the HyperMax energy blend alone looks like it would be better). That's why the profile is disappointing, because it looks like garbo compared to the competition out there, and it was hyped as all hell in that thread by reps and members.

 

[kbayne]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24225560/

 

[Misfit28]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24225560/

Interesting.

 

[VaughnTrue]

arginine in a pre-wo is a complete and total waste. end of story.

 

[Jiigzz]

After trying Ultimate T and being blown away, this does seem lije a downgrade. But in comparison with much of the market and some supps that the bros love, it isnt half bad. The arginine, unfortunately is a downside but they are a huge brand where ingredient recognition is also a huge factor.

Bring under the scrutiny they are, appealing to the mass rather than the forum population would be key to bringing in funds to fight their legal battles. If the price is right, I wont write it off.

Remember this, arginine may be sub par, but there are many novel but as of yet inproven ingredients we all love to see used. But these may in fact do nothing (a handful - if that - of rat studies showing positive favor gets people excited and some dont even have that).

I once questioned a SAN product that people were raving over and got slammed, yet all the ingredients were dosed rather low to make it an effective product at the serving sizes being recommended. Yet the bros were all like "try it before you knock it". So I did and it wasnt half bad. Maybe we could do the same here?

Thats if you choose to support them again that is.

 

[De__eB]

For me personally, I either want stim punch, focus, or pump and the holy grail is all 3. I don't care about cheap raws I can add if I want, or just take Ergonine.

Other than Cognizin, those are full doses of very cheap ingredients that I also don't really need pre, as most need to be taken daily over time and I don't want to use a pre every day. If I want full doses of a bunch of ingredients, PreJym, PreKaged are options. I would even take stim free Carbon Prep or Conqu3r as well. HV + Alphamine or HV + FocusXT. A lot of options, maybe more costly, but if I want something really cheap like I said I use C4.

I think there is something very much worth noting about three of those you mentioned, you as a consumer might not actually care and shouldn't necessarily since at the end of the day it's about what gets you the best for your money.

Carbon Prep, PreJym, PreKaged are all products of bb.com house brands.

Since this means bb.com is selling them direct, this takes an order of magnitude of necessary profit margin out of the picture entirely for the lines to remain profitable and do well.

Additionally, as house brands, there is no sort of minimum marketing spend to have the products featured on bb.com like there is for many other products

Also, bb.com is massive, and getting much better price scaling on their product runs.

They're good products, and as such of course they compare very favorably on a price/effectiveness outlook to ModernCre.

Nobody can price compete with a house brand from a $500m/yr company, and bb.com is using that leverage differently than anybody else in the industry.

GNC uses house brand leverage to put out cheap high margin ****ty products.

BB.com is using it to put out products that are competitive.

 

[kboxer7]

So the new product is like Aggro. A nootropic. Interesting.

You know I like Aggro, but this formula is going to make Aggro look like decaf coffee haha.

No offense to C&P : )

 

[De__eB]

arginine in a pre-wo is a complete and total waste. end of story.

Awkward

First ingredient in Hi-Tech Jack'd Up:

ALRI NOS:

APS Mesomorph

 

[thebigt]

I think there is something very much worth noting about three of those you mentioned, you as a consumer might not actually care and shouldn't necessarily since at the end of the day it's about what gets you the best for your money.

Carbon Prep, PreJym, PreKaged are all products of bb.com house brands.

Since this means bb.com is selling them direct, this takes an order of magnitude of necessary profit margin out of the picture entirely for the lines to remain profitable and do well.

Additionally, as house brands, there is no sort of minimum marketing spend to have the products featured on bb.com like there is for many other products

Also, bb.com is massive, and getting much better price scaling on their product runs.

They're good products, and as such of course they compare very favorably on a price/effectiveness outlook to ModernCre.

Nobody can price compete with a house brand from a $500m/yr company, and bb.com is using that leverage differently than anybody else in the industry.

GNC uses house brand leverage to put out cheap high margin ****ty products.

BB.com is using it to put out products that are competitive.

I am no fan of bb...but that is why GNC is so hated, by me at least!!!

 

[BamBam0319]

You know I like Aggro, but this formula is going to make Aggro look like decaf coffee haha.

No offense to C&P : )

Oh boy...

 

[BamBam0319]

Also, tried the ModernPre at 2 scoops for my leg workout last night. It was a good workout, but I can get a good workout in without a pre. My legs were pretty pumped though. Lost almost all definition lol

 

[VaughnTrue]

Awkward

First ingredient in Hi-Tech Jack'd Up:

ALRI NOS:

APS Mesomorph

Awkward?

I don't think it's doing a damn big of benefit in any product, including products from the company that employs me.

Just because a company I'm employed by makes it, doesn't mean I think it's the way to go.


Thankfully for Mesomorph there are legit ingredients in there that are dosed very well, such as 3.2g BA and 1g CrN


edit: to expand upon this further, I will never reccomend a product I don't believe it. if anyone has evidence of me doing otherwise, please bring it to my attention so I can punish myself. I'm not on here 24/7 simply to be a robot and promote every products my company makes, I'm on here to help educate others, and learn a thing or two myself.

 

[carmaf]

I think there is something very much worth noting about three of those you mentioned, you as a consumer might not actually care and shouldn't necessarily since at the end of the day it's about what gets you the best for your money.

Carbon Prep, PreJym, PreKaged are all products of bb.com house brands.

Since this means bb.com is selling them direct, this takes an order of magnitude of necessary profit margin out of the picture entirely for the lines to remain profitable and do well.

Additionally, as house brands, there is no sort of minimum marketing spend to have the products featured on bb.com like there is for many other products

Also, bb.com is massive, and getting much better price scaling on their product runs.

They're good products, and as such of course they compare very favorably on a price/effectiveness outlook to ModernCre.

Nobody can price compete with a house brand from a $500m/yr company, and bb.com is using that leverage differently than anybody else in the industry.

GNC uses house brand leverage to put out cheap high margin ****ty products.

BB.com is using it to put out products that are competitive.

Excellent point. I'm not saying it's the worst pre of all time, which it isn't at all, just disappointing. The hype and the reaction over it is equally disappointing.

Just now in the thread a rep posted a pic that includes the headline "STACKED INGREDIENT PANEL". Is that true? Along those lines, yeah it is a huge disappointment. There are a lot of great options out there. Tons of board favorites that trample it as well, so why the hype? Ergonine + Caffeine tab. Boom. Clinical doses of proven ingredients, same cost per serving approx. So many more I can't think of because I haven't tried as many as other members here.

It looks completely passable and disappointing on profile alone, that's all. To add on top of that the history associated with that brand, why give it a shot? What do you owe people who have tried their hardest to screw you over? I think people are just hyping it to get free product, but without a promo would people be fawning over it???

 

[carmaf]

Awkward?

I don't think it's doing a damn big of benefit in any product, including products from the company that employs me.

Just because a company I'm employed by makes it, doesn't mean I think it's the way to go.


Thankfully for Mesomorph there are legit ingredients in there that are dosed very well, such as 3.2g BA and 1g CrN

Does Arginine Nitrate act the same way as L-Arginine would?

 

[VaughnTrue]

Does Arginine Nitrate act the same way as L-Arginine would?

no, arginine nitrate provides a tangible Nitric oxide boost thanks to the nitrates. arginine does not.

 

[kbayne]

Does Arginine Nitrate act the same way as L-Arginine would?

No, totally different.

 

[carmaf]

no, arginine nitrate provides a tangible Nitric oxide boost thanks to the nitrates. arginine does not.

Alright because I was gonna say I've enjoyed Arginine Nitrate in quite a few products and I was about to put my foot in my mouth.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Alright because I was gonna say I've enjoyed Arginine Nitrate in quite a few products and I was about to put my foot in my mouth.

yup. nitrates are bad ass, regardless of what they're bound to for the most part

 

[Woody]

You know I like Aggro, but this formula is going to make Aggro look like decaf coffee haha.

No offense to C&P : )

If you keep teasing were going to break up.

 

[thebigt]

yup. nitrates are bad ass, regardless of what they're bound to for the most part

I agree...but creatine nitrate is still my favorite!!!

 

[Adizzle1]

I don't mind spending more money on a pre (what's an extra 15 dollars anyways?) or combining a stim and non stim(which is costly) because I don't abuse pres so my tubs last a while. I either want cheap or quality, no weird middle ground. If Modern Pre and C4 neuro are the same price, I would take C4 Neuro bc it at least has Theacrine + Caffeine which I have heard gives a nice kick.

In my post above I mentioned a ton of other options, and there are a ton more out there(never tried it but the HyperMax energy blend alone looks like it would be better). That's why the profile is disappointing, because it looks like garbo compared to the competition out there, and it was hyped as all hell in that thread by reps and members.

If you want to send over your shipping address and ill shoot you over some samples to try!

 

[VaughnTrue]

I agree...but creatine nitrate is still my favorite!!!

i like it, but i prefer potassium nitrate most. most nitrates gram/gram. with CrN you still need an exogenous creatine source

 

[BamBam0319]

If you want to send over your shipping address and ill shoot you over some samples to try!

Can I try?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

You know I like Aggro, but this formula is going to make Aggro look like decaf coffee haha.

No offense to C&P : )

Interesting. Is that a comment on the stimulant content/effect, or on the overall effect/feeling of the product (as you don't really feel anything when you drink decaf coffee)? I'm sure you guys aren't going to make it something that'll have you bouncing off the walls since, while students need a lot of energy, they also need to sit still for extended periods of time. I'm very interested in this product. Lots of suspense.

 

[Woody]

Interesting. Is that a comment on the stimulant content/effect, or on the overall effect/feeling of the product (as you don't really feel anything when you drink decaf coffee)? I'm sure you guys aren't going to make it something that'll have you bouncing off the walls since, while students need a lot of energy, they also need to sit still for extended periods of time. I'm very interested in this product. Lots of suspense.

Me too. Aggro has been a game changer for me this semester.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Me too. Aggro has been a game changer for me this semester.

I've been using my own stack this semester, and it's really helped, so it's nice to see more well-formulated nootropic supplements coming out.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

The new OL focus product will help my profession immensely as a lawyer

 

[kboxer7]

Interesting. Is that a comment on the stimulant content/effect, or on the overall effect/feeling of the product (as you don't really feel anything when you drink decaf coffee)? I'm sure you guys aren't going to make it something that'll have you bouncing off the walls since, while students need a lot of energy, they also need to sit still for extended periods of time. I'm very interested in this product. Lots of suspense.

Moreso on results: focus, alertness, mood boost, etc.

That said, it will likely have some novel ingredients that will fall into the stim category as well ; )

You said it though, it is about finding that sweet spot for mental clarity + alertness without too much "stim" effect.

And let me tell you, we are on point : )

 

[LLN]

Loving the informed and honest discussion here.

Refreshing.

 

[pyrobatt]

You know I like Aggro, but this formula is going to make Aggro look like decaf coffee haha.

No offense to C&P : )

Bring it.

 

[pyrobatt]

Interesting. Is that a comment on the stimulant content/effect, or on the overall effect/feeling of the product (as you don't really feel anything when you drink decaf coffee)? I'm sure you guys aren't going to make it something that'll have you bouncing off the walls since, while students need a lot of energy, they also need to sit still for extended periods of time. I'm very interested in this product. Lots of suspense.

Our reformulated cannibal ferox(added just 2 little ingredients ) is being released soon so if it is the stim effect then watch out for ferox. When I got the alpha sample from our suppliers I was blown away. C&P may take the crown for top stim preworkout soon. It'll blow your wig off. Pure fire!

 

[BamBam0319]

Our reformulated cannibal ferox(added just 2 little ingredients ) is being released soon so if it is the stim effect then watch out for ferox. When I got the alpha sample from our suppliers I was blown away. C&P may take the crown for top stim preworkout soon. It'll blow your wig off. Pure fire!

You're really good at dirty talk