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Focus XT would be the perfect sup with choline citrate.

kingdong

kingdong

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I love this product! but the choline b gives me bowel issues, and who really whants to stop for bathroom time during a workout?
 
MAxximal said:
Weird i used 2.5 scoops PreW without issues ;)
did you mix it with other stuff?
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holy crap, that's like half a gram of caffeine! I thought I was stim tolerant but I think you got this one! I have an individual choline supp from another company I got awhile back and I've never had any bowel issues with that or focus.
 
kingjameskjf said:
holy crap, that's like half a gram of caffeine! I thought I was stim tolerant but I think you got this one! I have an individual choline supp from another company I got awhile back and I've never had any bowel issues with that or focus.
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yeap is much i only use 3 times per week but when Focus XT caff free is out i will use 4ever ;)
 
I think there are a lot of stim free people waiting for the caffeine free version :)
 
Can't wait till this caffiene free comes out
 
kingdong said:
I love this product! but the choline b gives me bowel issues, and who really whants to stop for bathroom time during a workout?
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I have never had a problem personally, and I believe this is the first time this has ever been reported to any of us. I'm really sorry that it brings that about. Do you have the same issue with other pre-workouts as well?
 
Man, fr some reason I wasnt updated when peope commented on this thread. Weird. Ya I think my body just needed to adjust, so nevermind LOL.
 
I've had bowel issues if i exceed more than once scoop of focus xt for some reason (mud butt).

Although IMO one scoop deff does the job. Started taking my xt with choline and piracetam now. Should give that combo a try. You're really zoned in and level headed at w/e you do.
 
i never had any of these issues ether
 
Maybe a bad tub which i doubt or just some of us. I remember when i first tried assault i ended up urinating from 2 places...yuck.

Had to start off slowly on it then my body was able to take a full scoop after about a few days without adverse affects. Maybe the magnesium in these products.
 
jbryand101b said:
that sucks, cant wait to try the stim free focus xt.
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I really wanna try it out.

I plan on dosing 1 scoop of FXT + 1 scoop of caff-free FXT together. Or 1/2 of each, or 1/2 FXT + 1 caff-free FXT, depending on effectiveness.

It might be cheaper to just add a caffeine tab to the stim-free FXT if caffeine is desired, but since I have about 10 tubs of the "expired" FXT left, I'll just use that for now.
 
Is there a timeline on the stim-free Focus XT, at all? I've been hearing about it for a while and am very much looking forward to trying it.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Is there a timeline on the stim-free Focus XT, at all? I've been hearing about it for a while and am very much looking forward to trying it.
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No ETA, but it's so close...
 
Just ordered SNS Choline Citrate...

question:

Usually when I take piracetam [1g] (tried SNS and cerebralhealth) with Focus XT, I get really focused & calmly energetic for 20 minutes, then I get very sleepy, and upping the piracetam dose leads to even more sleepiness. I hear that for some people, choline and piracetam shouldn't be taken together, more like 6 hours apart. However, I would like to try different combinations/dosages of choline sources before concluding that taking it together will always cause sleepiness (hoping to avoid the hassle of timing).

Maybe adding choline citrate [1g] to FXT and piracetam [1g] will fix that, but would that be an excessive amount of choline (since FXT already has choline bitartrate)?
 
deh707 said:
Just ordered SNS Choline Citrate...

question:

Usually when I take piracetam [1g] (tried SNS and cerebralhealth) with Focus XT, I get really focused & calmly energetic for 20 minutes, then I get very sleepy, and upping the piracetam dose leads to even more sleepiness. I hear that for some people, choline and piracetam shouldn't be taken together, more like 6 hours apart. However, I would like to try different combinations/dosages of choline sources before concluding that taking it together will always cause sleepiness (hoping to avoid the hassle of timing).

Maybe adding choline citrate [1g] to FXT and piracetam [1g] will fix that, but would that be an excessive amount of choline (since FXT already has choline bitartrate)?
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Focus XT is a very strong cholinergic, which can induce sleepiness in individuals who may be sensitive. Try just 1/2 scoop Focus XT or 1 scoop of Choline Citrate with your piracetam. It should ameliorate the issue. Do not add choline citrate to focus xt.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Focus XT is a very strong cholinergic, which can induce sleepiness in individuals who may be sensitive. Try just 1/2 scoop Focus XT or 1 scoop of Choline Citrate with your piracetam. It should ameliorate the issue. Do not add choline citrate to focus xt.
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Thanks, I took 1g choline citrate + 2g piracetam about 20 minutes ago. I DO feel more awake (i was pretty sleepy/tired prior to taking it, after a long day of classes/gym), and looks like no sleepy effects have kicked in (which usually happens after 10 minutes of FXT + piracetam).

Next I will try 1/2 FXT + 1-2g piracetam. Since the purpose is to reduce the choline, I don't want to "miss out" on the full dosages of the other ingredients in FXT (which I love solo). I have ALCAR and L-Tyrosine from smartpowders dot com. Should I add extra alcar and/or l-tyrosine to make up for half-dosing FXT? What dosages?

Also, I notice you like to add extra huperzine to your FXT sometimes, so should I add that as well? I'm wondering if the memory enhancing (even if it's very subtle) effects from a half dosed FXT [the huperzine] is still beneficial.

Since FXT is a staple for me (solo), I want to make use of racetams with FXT without getting sleepy (by half dosing it to reduce the choline). There is the option of getting all the bulk ingredients in FXT and just making it myself instead of using FXT, but why bother? FXT is convenient, cheap, and is enjoyable to drink for class/studying. So this is why I ask if it's necessary to add in the non-choline ingredients (i alcar and tyrosine capped myself) to a half-dose of FXT to reap the 'full dose fxt' benefits but with a racetam involved.

Thanks
 
MidwestBeast said:
Is there a timeline on the stim-free Focus XT, at all? I've been hearing about it for a while and am very much looking forward to trying it.
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the products are rolling out. Soon young beast soon :D
 
fightbackhxc said:
the products are rolling out. Soon young beast soon :D
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Can't wait. I know the official ingredients haven't been released yet, and whether you know or don't know, but may i ask if choline bitartrate is still an ingredient? (or.. is it choline citrate now?) :D:D:D
 
deh707 said:
Thanks, I took 1g choline citrate + 2g piracetam about 20 minutes ago. I DO feel more awake (i was pretty sleepy/tired prior to taking it, after a long day of classes/gym), and looks like no sleepy effects have kicked in (which usually happens after 10 minutes of FXT + piracetam).

Next I will try 1/2 FXT + 1-2g piracetam. Since the purpose is to reduce the choline, I don't want to "miss out" on the full dosages of the other ingredients in FXT (which I love solo). I have ALCAR and L-Tyrosine from smartpowders dot com. Should I add extra alcar and/or l-tyrosine to make up for half-dosing FXT? What dosages?

Also, I notice you like to add extra huperzine to your FXT sometimes, so should I add that as well? I'm wondering if the memory enhancing (even if it's very subtle) effects from a half dosed FXT [the huperzine] is still beneficial.

Since FXT is a staple for me (solo), I want to make use of racetams with FXT without getting sleepy (by half dosing it to reduce the choline). There is the option of getting all the bulk ingredients in FXT and just making it myself instead of using FXT, but why bother? FXT is convenient, cheap, and is enjoyable to drink for class/studying. So this is why I ask if it's necessary to add in the non-choline ingredients (i alcar and tyrosine capped myself) to a half-dose of FXT to reap the 'full dose fxt' benefits but with a racetam involved.

Thanks
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Let me put it this way: focus xt has a 9.8g proprietary blend per serving. Now, if you know about nootropics, you know that all but 3 of the ingredients in the blend will be under 200mg, dosage-wise. That leaves a VERY large amount for the remaining 3 ingredients. My point being, a 1/2 scoop of Focus XT has a full dose of every nootropic in the product (which means that 1 serving of Focus XT MORE than meets your needs). I would not add extra Huperzine A to focus XT, but I would add 1g of ALCAR to 1/2 scoop for the longterm effects. I just love ALCAR for the overall health benefits, which can be reached by hitting 2g ALCAR daily.

And yes, Focus XT is presently cheaper than the bulk ingredients combined. It can be had at $14 for 30 servings (or in your case, 60 servings), plus it masks the nasty flavors of nootropics.
 
1Sam said:
I've had bowel issues if i exceed more than once scoop of focus xt for some reason (mud butt).

Although IMO one scoop deff does the job. Started taking my xt with choline and piracetam now. Should give that combo a try. You're really zoned in and level headed at w/e you do.
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I usually start the day with coffee in the morning. If I use Focus XT a few hours later, it's a guaranteed splatter fest in the bathroom. Could be the extra caffeine throughout the day added to Focus XT giving me the splats, but I'm too scared to ever try Focus XT again. Have a container minus 3 scoops worth just sitting around until I confirm why I'm having these terrible GI issues.
 
I apologize for the graphic imagery in my last post.
 
sidoious said:
I apologize for the graphic imagery in my last post.
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Have you tried eating before hand? Getting down the proper timing with food seems to help most people who have issues on just an empty stomach.
 
Eating beforehand only serves to provide my body with more material to evacuate after having Focus XT.
 
sidoious said:
Eating beforehand only serves to provide my body with more material to evacuate after having Focus XT.
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That's out of the norm in my experiences. Have you considered using it without drinking coffee? Coffee is a natural laxative, which could be exacerbating the situation.
 
Only black cherry made me feel that way
 
antihero said:
That's out of the norm in my experiences. Have you considered using it without drinking coffee? Coffee is a natural laxative, which could be exacerbating the situation.
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Oh yeah, first thing I thought about was a megadose of caffeine causing the GI issues. Symptoms still present when I dosed without having any coffee or caffeine though. That being said, I would be willing to try some caffeine free Focus XT when it's out to see if anything changes.
 
sidoious said:
Oh yeah, first thing I thought about was a megadose of caffeine causing the GI issues. Symptoms still present when I dosed without having any coffee or caffeine though. That being said, I would be willing to try some caffeine free Focus XT when it's out to see if anything changes.
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I'll see what I can do about getting you a tub of the Caffeine Free version as soon as it's out. Judging by the news I heard today, it may be sooner than some people expect.
 
antihero said:
I'll see what I can do about getting you a tub of the Caffeine Free version as soon as it's out. Judging by the news I heard today, it may be sooner than some people expect.
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I know the official ingredients haven't been released for the caffeine-free FXT, but whether you know or not, may I ask if choline bitartarte is still an ingredient? (or is it choline citrate now?) :laugh2:
 
antihero said:
I'll see what I can do about getting you a tub of the Caffeine Free version as soon as it's out. Judging by the news I heard today, it may be sooner than some people expect.
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Very gracious of you! Samples would be a great idea if the packaging were feasible. I believe in the ingredients and have used choline and piracetam in the past with no issues.
 
deh707 said:
I know the official ingredients haven't been released for the caffeine-free FXT, but whether you know or not, may I ask if choline bitartarte is still an ingredient? (or is it choline citrate now?) :laugh2:
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I appreciate your zealousness in attempting to find out. :D

sidoious said:
Very gracious of you! Samples would be a great idea if the packaging were feasible. I believe in the ingredients and have used choline and piracetam in the past with no issues.
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To be completely honest, we would love to create formal samples, but that's definitely something that will be further down the road. When you look into the packaging costs associated with it, it's astronomical compared to what you might think.

But, how does this sound...The first tub I get in my hands, I will pack up a few single serving samples, and personally mail it to you. If it agrees with you and you like it, I will set you up with a pre-workout or study/work stack (featuring the Caffeine-Free Focus XT of course) to log. If not we still can still set you up with a logging opportunity.
 
antihero said:
I appreciate your zealousness in attempting to find out. :D

To be completely honest, we would love to create formal samples, but that's definitely something that will be further down the road. When you look into the packaging costs associated with it, it's astronomical compared to what you might think.

But, how does this sound...The first tub I get in my hands, I will pack up a few single serving samples, and personally mail it to you. If it agrees with you and you like it, I will set you up with a pre-workout or study/work stack (featuring the Caffeine-Free Focus XT of course) to log. If not we still can still set you up with a logging opportunity.
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Sounds great to me! There are a lot of times when I start to drag toward the end of the day when I'm teaching; this might be a good way to experiment and test the product.
 
sidoious said:
Sounds great to me! There are a lot of times when I start to drag toward the end of the day when I'm teaching; this might be a good way to experiment and test the product.
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Lucky you lol. I will definitely be one of the first to lay cash on the caffeine-free FXT. FXT is a staple, man.

But for late night studying, I like to avoid stims so I can sleep. I've been using a self made stack to somewhat resemble a stim-free version of FXT (just guessing):

2g sns choline citrate (instead of fxt's bitartrate)
2g alcar
750mg l-tyrosine

i know it's missing the other ingredients in fxt (like huperzine, dmae, vinpocetine, caffeine...), but it works like a 75% version of FXT for me.

sometimes i'll add AMS Lucidrol to the above stack (still stim free).

Lucidrol ingredients:

Bacopa Monnieri = 500mg
DMAE = 250mg (an ingredient in FXT)
Rhodiola Rosea = 200mg
BetaPEA = 196mg
Picamilon = 100mg
Hordenine = 40mg
Piperine = 3mg

One thing missing from any custom stack to resemble FXT is the obvious TASTY BEVERAGE TO DRINK. taking all these self-made caps and/or bulk powder form isn't that fun. SNS does an excellent job of masking the nasty nootropic taste.
 
SNS is a top of the line company with great products; unfortunately for me I've had a problem with one of them. Very anxious to try a caffeine-free version. How great would a coffee flavored version be?
 
deh707 said:
Lucky you lol. I will definitely be one of the first to lay cash on the caffeine-free FXT. FXT is a staple, man.

But for late night studying, I like to avoid stims so I can sleep. I've been using a self made stack to somewhat resemble a stim-free version of FXT (just guessing):

2g sns choline citrate (instead of fxt's bitartrate)
2g alcar
750mg l-tyrosine

i know it's missing the other ingredients in fxt (like huperzine, dmae, vinpocetine, caffeine...), but it works like a 75% version of FXT for me.

sometimes i'll add AMS Lucidrol to the above stack (still stim free).

Lucidrol ingredients:

Bacopa Monnieri = 500mg
DMAE = 250mg (an ingredient in FXT)
Rhodiola Rosea = 200mg
BetaPEA = 196mg
Picamilon = 100mg
Hordenine = 40mg
Piperine = 3mg

One thing missing from any custom stack to resemble FXT is the obvious TASTY BEVERAGE TO DRINK. taking all these self-made caps and/or bulk powder form isn't that fun. SNS does an excellent job of masking the nasty nootropic taste.
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The trick is flavoring into the ingredients. The ingredients naturally have a sour/tart taste, so we've worked strictly on flavors that can use the attribute instead of trying to mask it, especially in an effort to keep it sugar free.
 
sidoious said:
SNS is a top of the line company with great products; unfortunately for me I've had a problem with one of them. Very anxious to try a caffeine-free version. How great would a coffee flavored version be?
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The caffeine free version will be an all new flavor, however it will not be coffee. Sorry.

To be honest, I'm not sure how well a tart coffee flavor would even turn out.
 
antihero said:
The caffeine free version will be an all new flavor, however it will not be coffee. Sorry.

To be honest, I'm not sure how well a tart coffee flavor would even turn out.
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I smell fruit punch!

As for sidoious, which flavor of FXT is giving you bowl issues? I only have a slight-diarrhea and strong black/blue waste coloring with the black cherry flavor, and I hear it's the same case for black berry.

I've tried all flavors except black berry, and only black cherry gives me this problem.
 
deh707 said:
I smell fruit punch!

As for sidoious, which flavor of FXT is giving you bowl issues? I only have a slight-diarrhea and strong black/blue waste coloring with the black cherry flavor, and I hear it's the same case for black berry.

I've tried all flavors except black berry, and only black cherry gives me this problem.
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The coloring issue has been addressed, and we're seeing what can be done about it.

You might be onto something with the Fruit Punch guess though.
 
antihero said:
The coloring issue has been addressed, and we're seeing what can be done about it.

You might be onto something with the Fruit Punch guess though.
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I noticed the Fruit Punch flavor on the caffeine-free FXT label at the SNS twitter site

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i hear it's just a promotional label, but Fruit Punch sounds nice.
 
deh707 said:
I smell fruit punch!

As for sidoious, which flavor of FXT is giving you bowl issues? I only have a slight-diarrhea and strong black/blue waste coloring with the black cherry flavor, and I hear it's the same case for black berry.

I've tried all flavors except black berry, and only black cherry gives me this problem.
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It was piña colada.
 
sidoious said:
It was piña colada.
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I love piña colada, just had some last night.

Now I feel even worse for you...
 
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