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Ultradrol? LMAO

My idea of the perfect steroid is Clostebol Enanthate.

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No conversion to estrogen...no DHT effects. Imagine that stuff IM at like 1500mg/week. Yum. Theoretically
 
i've been trying to get someone to release a 4-chloro-4-androstenediol product either in cap form, or t/d.

you'd get dry lean gains, without conversion to estrogen, and no hepatotoxicity.

not as good as your injectable esterfied clostebol, but isnt on the list of banned substances. yea yea... :thumbsup:
 
nattydisaster said:
My idea of the perfect steroid is Clostebol Enanthate.

Invalid Link RemovedAcetate would work too.

No conversion to estrogen...no DHT effects. Imagine that stuff IM at like 1500mg/week. Yum. Theoretically
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Chlorination doesn't prevent 5a-reduction of the compound, though it does reduce it.
 
jbryand101b said:
clostebol is on the banned substance list, BUT, Methyl clostebol isn't. ;)
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Id be more interested in the diol version you mentioned...if the compound has such promising low side effects no need to stick a methyl group on it

Probably would need a very high dose of the diol to feel anything, i am guessing
 
jbryand101b said:
i've been trying to get someone to release a 4-chloro-4-androstenediol product either in cap form, or t/d.

you'd get dry lean gains, without conversion to estrogen, and no hepatotoxicity.

not as good as your injectable esterfied clostebol, but isnt on the list of banned substances. yea yea... :thumbsup:
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nattydisaster said:
Id be more interested in the diol version you mentioned...if the compound has such promising low side effects no need to stick a methyl group on it

Probably would need a very high dose of the diol to feel anything, i am guessing
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I believe the C-4 halogen helps to shift the equilibrium of the 17bHSD reaction towards the alcohol, but to what extent I don't know. I can dig up a reference later if you need one.
 
henryv said:
I believe the C-4 halogen helps to shift the equilibrium of the 17bHSD reaction towards the alcohol, but to what extent I don't know. I can dig up a reference later if you need one.
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jbryand101b said:
sure, i always enjoy reading stuff from you, like the benifits of astroglide. :lol: (couldn't help myself)
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This is from an old textbook I bought to do a writeup on M4OHN:

Substitution at C-4 may change the metabolic fate of functional groups not in the Δ4-3-keto region, which are still fundamental for the biological action; for instance, this occurs when an atom of chlorine is introduced at C-4 in testosterone with consequent decrease in the production of 17-ketosteroids in vivo (Sala and Castegnaro, 1953) and inhibition of dehydrogenation at C-17 in vitro (Castegnaro and Sala, 1961).
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Hormonal Steroids Vol 1, p.67. Academic Press, New York, 1964.
 
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A bunch of studies on Clostebol.
 
jbryand101b said:
despite what the placebo from numerous users believe, mass tabs contained methyldrostanolone. of course they were great, they were superdrol. probably a lower dose. 15mg of sd will provide nice gains, with minimal sides if any.

no one knows how this will be, it's never been run. and me personally, like others who have used superdrol, wont really know if there is a difference until we run it ourselves.

we'll see.

there is no magic steroid, more gains always will be more side effects.
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They have stated there will be some SD contamination so I'm curious to how much
 
jbryand101b said:
man, you really have too much info at your disposal. how do you find the time to read all of this? im jealous.
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I haven't read them, I just dug up a few links. I thought "Absorption and metabolism of 4-chlorotestosterone acetate by oral route." might be relevant to your interests.
 
slightly off topic, but I know a guy who took clostebal acetate orally and was unimpressed, I think he did up to 150 mgs per day, it has been a while, but I remember him being not overly impressed, especially versus the cost, I know methylation would change things though
 
henryv said:
I haven't read them, I just dug up a few links. I thought "Absorption and metabolism of 4-chlorotestosterone acetate by oral route." might be relevant to your interests.
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ah, i see, well then i guess a simple thank you is due to you sir. :thumbsup:
 
correct normal clost a may not be impressive- but as we all know methylation drastically changes a hormone
 
jbryand101b said:
a uni brow? j/k, but what is a uni bro?
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easiest way for me to find interesting studies on just about anything to do with anabolics is to scroll to the bottom of vida's A.A.A. and look at the 400 and some references listed and proceed to google them. :) some are free and others aren't.
 
Bry17 said:
easiest way for me to find interesting studies on just about anything to do with anabolics is to scroll to the bottom of vida's A.A.A. and look at the 400 and some references listed and proceed to google them. :) some are free and others aren't.
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Ja.
 
Bry17 said:
easiest way for me to find interesting studies on just about anything to do with anabolics is to scroll to the bottom of vida's A.A.A. and look at the 400 and some references listed and proceed to google them. :) some are free and others aren't.
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that would totally be a good idea if my copy of vida hadn't been destroyed with my laptop that went __________________________ flat lined...

My wife said after I graduate, get a job, and my first paycheck, she'll buy me a macbook, so i'll re download all that stuff when I get that.
 
thanks..yeah i thought i remembered someone saying that earlier.. so basically if it turns out to be sd, its some overpriced crap
 
steppinRazor said:
thanks..yeah i thought i remembered someone saying that earlier.. so basically if it turns out to be sd, its some overpriced crap
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I wouldn't think they'd bring it to market if they knew it wasn't. They've got a good thing going with Trenazone, so i can't imagine taking a reputation hit like that.
 
BarbellBeast said:
This is true. AL seems like a stand up company. I'll definitely pick up a few of these.
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I saw in the ad for it that it says tested. I just glanced on fb, so I didn't dig around to find verifications. From the sound of it, though, there should be a lab test to be pulled (though it didn't say whether it was 3rd party or not, and I know that's the big thing most consumers want to see).
 
henryv said:
Whatever gave you the idea this would be a safe methyl?
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i didnt say it will be a safe compared to a non-methyl but that it will be the safest methyls out of all of the ones out? as ive read around that that it will have superdrol effects with less of the harsh side effects!? was wondering if this is true.
 
I wish I had half the chem knowledge you guys did. Think I am going to wait and see the reviews before I purchase.
 
I previously used methyl stenbolone from another supplier who spent a pile of money on running a small (1kg I think) pilot batch. I had it as 10mg caps, and dosed at 30mg a day. Totally nuts. Now mind you on TRT at the time, and didn't notice lethargy. Strength gains were huge and fast, mass gains were nice and lean. Post cycle bloodwork had liver values a little high but just over normal, cholesterol was totally poop (I think something like ldl of 210, hdl of 9) and my PSA had gone from 1.5 to 4.1. I'd run it again, at probably the 16-20mg/day range if it was cheaper.
 
EasyEJL said:
Part of me saying that is my normal is around an ldl of 120 and hdl over 50
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Sounds like you had a good run with it though.
 
EasyEJL said:
Oh yeah, it wasn't bad, but just at the price eh, i'm not sure its worth it. For $100 to run 16mg/day I think I can find other things that work as well.
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I hear ya, I hope this stuff is as pure as methylsten can get. I already have enough SD.
 
Well I'm gettin ready to run their Trenazone. So far I'm nothing but impressed with their service. Fast shipping. Got mine in 2 days. Quality looking bottle (made of fancy glass, lol) and they included a nice glass dropper for me as well to get a more accurate measurement of the transdermal. I know the product will work as there have already been successful cycles of this stuff. I know it isn't ultradrol, but as far as company honesty I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on when it comes to accusing them of mis-labeling a product. So far their only other product is everything they promised.
 
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