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Ultradrol? LMAO

Ultradrol said:
Presale will be up 7/1/11, we are also going to be a sponsor on this forum in the next week or two, just waiting to hear back on it. NP should have it as well but we need you guys to let them know you are interested in it in their section!

We will be giving away some for logging opportunities once we are here as well.
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Glad to see you guys coming to AM... You got a solid product already, looking forward to what you're gonna bring to the market!
 
Wich is the profile type of this ph? Bulker? Lean?
And about the non-steroid? Would it be somethink like anabeta?
 
this looks pretty intense! I expect an answer on whether or not i can log one by early next week as I plan on starting my predetermined cycle wednesday..... I will patiently wait for your response :)
 
jbryand101b said:
sounds like superdrol.

it's funny to think about the huge jump from methyl dht, a pretty mild compound, to di methyl dht, which is superdrol, and a powerhouse.

I also think it is interesting that stenbolone (2a methyl 1-test) seems to be unavailable on the black market, yet a new supp company, like so many before, has managed to secure the raws of methyl stenbolone.

superdrol:
2a,17a di methyl dht (5a reduced testosterone)

methyl stenbolone:
2a,17a di methyl 1-test (5a reduced boldenone)

I could see how the two could get mixed up.

we'll just have to see.
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methylation makes extreme changes to the molecule and its physiological effects. Superdrol is methylated drostanolone (parent compound in Masteron). People say masteron is weak and ineffective unless you take upwords of 750mg/week IM

Stick a methyl group on it and you get an entirely different effect in the body, and oral bioavailability. Stick a methyl group on something doesnt make a steroid just orally bioavailable and give the same effects....the effects are entirely different.

Dbol is methylated boldenone

As far as the ultradrol goes...should definitely be interesting. Would be nice to see like 10+ detailed logs on it. But the fact it has another methyl group changes its physiological effects greatly.

What is its A:A ? I thought superdrol still had a better ratio
 
jbryand101b said:
still looks stronger to me.
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660 is a smaller number than both 910 and 1600. Those are the two anabolic figures given by the two references quoted by Vida for M1T. Bear in mind that the figure of 910 is taken from the same study that also tested methyl sten at the same time (and gave it 660).
 
why dont we all just free base this **** and see what happens?
 
henryv said:
660 is a smaller number than both 910 and 1600. Those are the two anabolic figures given by the two references quoted by Vida for M1T. Bear in mind that the figure of 910 is taken from the same study that also tested methyl sten at the same time (and gave it 660).
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oh sht. nvm just realized i was looking at methyl 1-andro-diol.
good thing you posted those numbers, i'd gone on talking about the wrong compound.

let me re pharase it, it looks like it's stronger than methyl 1-ad

you gotta cut me some slack, all i've got is google, and even then, im not using it that much.
 
nattydisaster said:
methylation makes extreme changes to the molecule and its physiological effects. Superdrol is methylated drostanolone (parent compound in Masteron). People say masteron is weak and ineffective unless you take upwords of 750mg/week IM

Stick a methyl group on it and you get an entirely different effect in the body, and oral bioavailability. Stick a methyl group on something doesnt make a steroid just orally bioavailable and give the same effects....the effects are entirely different.

Dbol is methylated boldenone

As far as the ultradrol goes...should definitely be interesting. Would be nice to see like 10+ detailed logs on it. But the fact it has another methyl group changes its physiological effects greatly.

What is its A:A ? I thought superdrol still had a better ratio
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Look for my log soon;)
 
henryv said:
It's CEL Alpha One.
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henryv said:
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M1T
is 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol for reference.



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ah, i see. post is unavailable though.

Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone=17a-methyl-1-androstene-3,17-diol

so it is 17a and not 7a? not sure, last I checked on this compound I had seen it being discussed about the methyl.

it makes sense if it's a direct clone of methyl 1 alpha it would be 17.
 
is it going to be half off a bottle for the pre sale? i'd get excited for that. then I could run this at 12-22mg.

as of right now my next planned cycle is m1t + 4-adiol, who knows, maybe it could be dim1t plus 4ad instead.

big who knows, i know.
 
hope this isn't like the beta test for boladrol, where 2-4mg is amazing, but later on users need 8-12mg for some reason.
 
That would be unfortunate. The caps are 4mg btw and the the beta test that I read had tester @ 2 caps that he ran for 25 days.
 
I'd like to pick some of this up but I might wait for some feedback before I bite the bullet
 
jbryand101b said:
sounds like superdrol.

it's funny to think about the huge jump from methyl dht, a pretty mild compound, to di methyl dht, which is superdrol, and a powerhouse.

I also think it is interesting that stenbolone (2a methyl 1-test) seems to be unavailable on the black market, yet a new supp company, like so many before, has managed to secure the raws of methyl stenbolone.

superdrol:
2a,17a di methyl dht (5a reduced testosterone)

methyl stenbolone:
2a,17a di methyl 1-test (5a reduced boldenone)

I could see how the two could get mixed up.

we'll just have to see.
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According to Primordial Performance website (steroid profile page), it's a stronger version of Superdrol. A trade-off for more sides in the prostate and hair loss categories but comes with more weight gains, less lethargy and less aggression..I'd treat it like superdrol and have everything spot on when it comes to on-cycle support as well as KNOWING that your cholesterol is in good condition before starting. 3-4 weeks would be all you'd need to take it.
 
I can't wait to see logs. A couple of the trenazone logs seemed promising... Were it not for the liver stress, it'd make a sick stack lol!
 
DYEGYE said:
I can't wait to see logs. A couple of the trenazone logs seemed promising... Were it not for the liver stress, it'd make a sick stack lol!
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Trenazone doesn't seem too bad on the liver. What, is it ethylated??
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Trenazone doesn't seem too bad on the liver. What, is it ethylated??
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no it is the structure of the compound that causes there to be stress on the liver, which is why it and trenbolone are said to have better oral availability than test. numerous blood work from users of pro dienolone have shown there to be elevated enzymes. and thats why, the structure of the compound.
 
jbryand101b said:
no it is the structure of the compound that causes there to be stress on the liver, which is why it and trenbolone are said to have better oral availability than test. numerous blood work from users of pro dienolone have shown there to be elevated enzymes. and thats why, the structure of the compound.
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The company that sells the Trenazone goes into a long spill about how the delivery system of the topical Trenazone is different and how it makes the compound have alot less sides. You should check it out. Look under "research" tab on the website..try and keep up lol cause there is alot of jargon in that page!
 
henryv said:
Like M-dien? They used to sell it before the first ban.



That's a methylated triene compound.
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From my memory M-dien wasn't too toxic, however it was under dosed at first, after trying upwards of 15mgs is when I saw pretty severe liver toxicity.
 
fueledpassion said:
The company that sells the Trenazone goes into a long spill about how the delivery system of the topical Trenazone is different and how it makes the compound have alot less sides. You should check it out. Look under "research" tab on the website..try and keep up lol cause there is alot of jargon in that page!
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I dont need to check it out, i know enough about dienolone and transdermal application to know all i need to know about trenazone. Thanks though.

I dont know of any data based evidence showing transdermal application of hormones that have hepatotoxic effect on the liver is any safer than by oral administration.

you could imagine that instead of hitting the liver all at once, you get a slow and steady amount processed through, but in the end, if the dosages of oral and t/d are equal, the same amount will be processed through the liver.

but like i said, i havn't seen any actual evidence of it, maybe henry has some?

this same argument i believe is made also for injecting hepatotoxic compounds vs taking them orally.
 
Back to the beginning, Ultradrol, whats up with that? IDS Mass Tabs (bottle) were the ****. But the common consensus is that it's a joke, right? Or if it did work it wouldn't be worth the taxed liver. I know when my liver starts to go i can't eat anything without feeling like i want to puke it up. So this would be x2 puke suck upchuck huh?
 
jbryand101b said:
I dont need to check it out, i know enough about dienolone and transdermal application to know all i need to know about trenazone. Thanks though.

I dont know of any data based evidence showing transdermal application of hormones that have hepatotoxic effect on the liver is any safer than by oral administration.

you could imagine that instead of hitting the liver all at once, you get a slow and steady amount processed through, but in the end, if the dosages of oral and t/d are equal, the same amount will be processed through the liver.

but like i said, i havn't seen any actual evidence of it, maybe henry has some?

this same argument i believe is made also for injecting hepatotoxic compounds vs taking them orally.
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There is data suggesting the longer it takes to process through the liver the less toxicity there is...but i dont believe its that much less. Probably like squirting a squirt gun into a burning house and saying it reduced the fire
 
nattydisaster said:
There is data suggesting the longer it takes to process through the liver the less toxicity there is...but i dont believe its that much less. Probably like squirting a squirt gun into a burning house and saying it reduced the fire
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interesting, i'd like to see that study. but I would imagine if the theories about it possibly making a difference were correct, it would be like you said, not a significant difference.
 
TankerBiskits said:
Back to the beginning, Ultradrol, whats up with that? IDS Mass Tabs (bottle) were the ****. But the common consensus is that it's a joke, right? Or if it did work it wouldn't be worth the taxed liver. I know when my liver starts to go i can't eat anything without feeling like i want to puke it up. So this would be x2 puke suck upchuck huh?
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despite what the placebo from numerous users believe, mass tabs contained methyldrostanolone. of course they were great, they were superdrol. probably a lower dose. 15mg of sd will provide nice gains, with minimal sides if any.

no one knows how this will be, it's never been run. and me personally, like others who have used superdrol, wont really know if there is a difference until we run it ourselves.

we'll see.

there is no magic steroid, more gains always will be more side effects.
 
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