Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad

[needtogetmuscle]

I hope all the fighting, arguing, name calling and stuff like this can just end.

I think I might have spoke to Natteli on the phone when she had ordered her first bottle of the product. At least I think I did anyway.. When Orbit called me and said there was a female ordering the product and wanted it shipped using her UPS account My reply to him was " Ya that is Nattali she is a good person, go ahead and help her out and ship it the way she wants it shipped"

No one has to be made or angry with anyone. Although motives may not be the purist of motives its still well within there right and I will make no gripes. I WAS Naive in thinking that as long as I treated people right and never went out of my way to harm anyone then others would treat me the same.

When I owned the Mrsupps line of products I had it tested a few times and was happy to. It was a great selling point and I posted the results over on ef a few times . Many of the members there have seen me post them. Always using the same company they also have there products tested and so things where always good. So yes I always bragged about the purity of the brand. I know Mrsupps and also the makers have had more test done but how long ago or how often I do not know. Again I do not own the product line anymore.

Beastdrol,Katanadrol, all of the mrsupps line I am not in the least bit worried about as I know the standard. I know Mrsupps and the company making them test them and I also know that the place making them makes products for 4-5 other places on this very site. They have also made pro's for many of the other companies on this very site and they have tested there products. So not worried about it and I know they are fine.

I learned a few lesions here today and I will learn from them. Really all I can do is thank everyone and hopefully learn and get better. Of course I own this mistake and of course I will learn from it and do right by anyone.

I am not perfect and nether is anyone else here. I personally owe other companies a apology and I am going to give them one. I am sorry I scoffed at others in the past ( was a wile ago) when I saw some of there products get tested and come back les then perfect.

I am humbled here today and never thought any product I made could be less then perfect. I made a mistake and now know I am not above them. They happen and even to me.

Some one who has been around the industry much longer then I have taught me a lesson. A lesson I will be sure never to forget and to learn from as quickly as posable. What can I do or say to them but thank you?

Next week I will have a bottle of every single product made for me by the manufactures I have now and any product I ever have made by a new one sent out testing. Have all of them tested more often too.

I will do all I can to make sure I dont drop the ball on my fans.


I have been watching this thread all day and in fact have not gotten much of anything else done today. I dont like to see so much fighting and never have. So I hope we can all just stop and leave the arguing alone. No ones getting anything out of it.

I owned the problem and have let everyone know where to contact me. I admit fault and never once thought not too. I know I have learned from this and I know its going to make me a better person in the future.

I got to get to other work now so I will not be posting again for a bit. I hope the people who are fighting for me or against me can all quite and stop attacking each other now though.

Nattli you are a good person and am not sure if it was you I spoke to or not but if you are the person I thought I spoke to you seemed nice enough to me and I am sure you are. what ever I did do to you to set you off and make you dislike me so much I am sorry and hope I can some day make amends for.

When I got the pm from your husband he also seemed nice and sounded like he was more offering help and or advice and never made mention of wanting to attack me in anyway...

I would rather not fight or be angry about anything with anyone. So I will just say I liked both of you when I dealt with you and I will just leave things alone and go about my business. If a rep of mine was a jerk to you I am sorry and I will find them and speak to them.. I dont want anyone being a jerk to anyone here.

I dont want any of the fighting or the name calling or any of some of the stuff that I have seen. I am going to get back to work. I hope everyone will be good to each other and that will be that.

Thank you

and yes HereToStudy we have always been good bro.
Always been respectful and always spoke with each other as friends and always will my man.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Okay this needs to be brought up because it seems to be a theme in here. You do not need a standard to test against in every scenario. How do you think they determine things before there is a standard? You think there is some magical book that creates a standard when a company creates something? The entire purpose of the MS portion of a GC or LC is determine what a compound is based on its mass to charge ratio.

The humorous part of this entire thing? If there is no standard for it then how is it that mitbar and the others claim that the original COA is perfect and that they had independent labs confirm this? Man they must have a set of standards that no other pharmaceutical company seems to possess.

you are correct in that GC/MS often can identify the structure of a compound even without a standard. However you cant really get accurate quantitative data without a standard

A standard has to be made and verified by several different techniques. Once it is verfied as being essentially pure it can be used to test against

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I hope all the fighting, arguing, name calling and stuff like this can just end.

I think I might have spoke to Natteli on the phone when she had ordered her first bottle of the product. At least I think I did anyway.. When Orbit called me and said there was a female ordering the product and wanted it shipped using her UPS account My reply to him was " Ya that is Nattali she is a good person, go ahead and help her out and ship it the way she wants it shipped"

No one has to be made or angry with anyone. Although motives may not be the purist of motives its still well within there right and I will make no gripes. I WAS Naive in thinking that as long as I treated people right and never went out of my way to harm anyone then others would treat me the same.

When I owned the Mrsupps line of products I had it tested a few times and was happy to. It was a great selling point and I posted the results over on ef a few times . Many of the members there have seen me post them. Always using the same company they also have there products tested and so things where always good. So yes I always bragged about the purity of the brand. I know Mrsupps and also the makers have had more test done but how long ago or how often I do not know. Again I do not own the product line anymore.

Beastdrol,Katanadrol, all of the mrsupps line I am not in the least bit worried about as I know the standard. I know Mrsupps and the company making them test them and I also know that the place making them makes products for 4-5 other places on this very site. They have also made pro's for many of the other companies on this very site and they have tested there products. So not worried about it and I know they are fine.

I learned a few lesions here today and I will learn from them. Really all I can do is thank everyone and hopefully learn and get better. Of course I own this mistake and of course I will learn from it and do right by anyone.

I am not perfect and nether is anyone else here. I personally owe other companies a apology and I am going to give them one. I am sorry I scoffed at others in the past ( was a wile ago) when I saw some of there products get tested and come back les then perfect.

I am humbled here today and never thought any product I made could be less then perfect. I made a mistake and now know I am not above them. They happen and even to me.

Some one who has been around the industry much longer then I have taught me a lesson. A lesson I will be sure never to forget and to learn from as quickly as posable. What can I do or say to them but thank you?

Next week I will have a bottle of every single product made for me by the manufactures I have now and any product I ever have made by a new one sent out testing. Have all of them tested more often too.

I will do all I can to make sure I dont drop the ball on my fans.


I have been watching this thread all day and in fact have not gotten much of anything else done today. I dont like to see so much fighting and never have. So I hope we can all just stop and leave the arguing alone. No ones getting anything out of it.

I owned the problem and have let everyone know where to contact me. I admit fault and never once thought not too. I know I have learned from this and I know its going to make me a better person in the future.

I got to get to other work now so I will not be posting again for a bit. I hope the people who are fighting for me or against me can all quite and stop attacking each other now though.

Nattli you are a good person and am not sure if it was you I spoke to or not but if you are the person I thought I spoke to you seemed nice enough to me and I am sure you are. what ever I did do to you to set you off and make you dislike me so much I am sorry and hope I can some day make amends for.

When I got the pm from your husband he also seemed nice and sounded like he was more offering help and or advice and never made mention of wanting to attack me in anyway...

I would rather not fight or be angry about anything with anyone. So I will just say I liked both of you when I dealt with you and I will just leave things alone and go about my business. If a rep of mine was a jerk to you I am sorry and I will find them and speak to them.. I dont want anyone being a jerk to anyone here.

I dont want any of the fighting or the name calling or any of some of the stuff that I have seen. I am going to get back to work. I hope everyone will be good to each other and that will be that.

Thank you

Cliffs!!

 

[Iamcamel11]

Can you tell me how putting "dietary supplement" on the label of an active steroid so you can use the loopholes in the DSHEA to sell it till the FDA asks you to show where its compliant is morally superior to selling research chems?

And I'm not at all busting on ntbm on this, I like their products and was happy to get to try their chlorathoxy even though not being sure whether what was in it was a de-methylated halodrol or just halodrol. But that's because it was a beta. Heck, I've tried things as a part of testing (natural and non-natural) without having any idea as to ingredients. But if I buy something, I expect it to have in it what the label says.

ask pat or anyone that has sold hormones that question. they will have a better answer for you. but last time i checked, don't think pat mixed his raws in a bathtub, slapped a label on it and told you not to ingest it. but hey, if its all the same to you, maybe everyone should sell research chems.

and i agree you should know what in it but when a company goes on a vendetta about this issue while they funded their own busines by selling **** they mixed in a bathtub, its a bit hypocritical. just sayin.

 

[Pipes]

So Nate, you will be getting test done on MDXT as well correct? Will you be posting your results? It would be a shame if we all went by one persons lab tests without a second or even a third.


Isnt that old saying something like, for something to be proven it must produce a second result the same as the first?

 

[xFRACTION]

standardized testing.

Hope this gets cleared up quickly

 

[mw1]

I hope all the fighting, arguing, name calling and stuff like this can just end.

I think I might have spoke to Natteli on the phone when she had ordered her first bottle of the product. At least I think I did anyway.. When Orbit called me and said there was a female ordering the product and wanted it shipped using her UPS account My reply to him was " Ya that is Nattali she is a good person, go ahead and help her out and ship it the way she wants it shipped"

No one has to be made or angry with anyone. Although motives may not be the purist of motives its still well within there right and I will make no gripes. I WAS Naive in thinking that as long as I treated people right and never went out of my way to harm anyone then others would treat me the same.

When I owned the Mrsupps line of products I had it tested a few times and was happy to. It was a great selling point and I posted the results over on ef a few times . Many of the members there have seen me post them. Always using the same company they also have there products tested and so things where always good. So yes I always bragged about the purity of the brand. I know Mrsupps and also the makers have had more test done but how long ago or how often I do not know. Again I do not own the product line anymore.

Beastdrol,Katanadrol, all of the mrsupps line I am not in the least bit worried about as I know the standard. I know Mrsupps and the company making them test them and I also know that the place making them makes products for 4-5 other places on this very site. They have also made pro's for many of the other companies on this very site and they have tested there products. So not worried about it and I know they are fine.

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Do you have any independent 3rd party assays on any of these products right now- or are you relying on manufacturer's/suppliers COA?

 

[PrepNwa23]

Can you tell me how putting "dietary supplement" on the label of an active steroid so you can use the loopholes in the DSHEA to sell it till the FDA asks you to show where its compliant is morally superior to selling research chems?

And I'm not at all busting on ntbm on this, I like their products and was happy to get to try their chlorathoxy even though not being sure whether what was in it was a de-methylated halodrol or just halodrol. But that's because it was a beta. Heck, I've tried things as a part of testing (natural and non-natural) without having any idea as to ingredients. But if I buy something, I expect it to have in it what the label says.

Again there we go, we don't mind getting these supplements and using them. But if it says something on the label we expect that to be in it. Not having trace amounts of a bunch of other things that are listed.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Do you have ant independent 3rd party assays on any of these products right now- or are you relying on manufacturer's/suppliers COA?

both manufacturers and suppliers will screw you if they know they can. lesson learned

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Again there we go, we don't mind getting these supplements and using them. But if it says something on the label we expect that to be in it. Not having trace amounts of a bunch of other things that are listed.

what i find odd about this assay is that RTP went beyond testing just for label content. A lab will only report what you ask them to look for and normally someone will just ask for a lab to test what is on the label

I assume that Natalie asked RTP to test for label content AND for any compounds not on the label. Perhaps Natalie did some preliminary testing and found some odd peaks and asked RTP to identify them

 

[Asmodean]

Okay this needs to be brought up because it seems to be a theme in here. You do not need a standard to test against in every scenario. How do you think they determine things before there is a standard? You think there is some magical book that creates a standard when a company creates something? The entire purpose of the MS portion of a GC or LC is determine what a compound is based on its mass to charge ratio.

The humorous part of this entire thing? If there is no standard for it then how is it that mitbar and the others claim that the original COA is perfect and that they had independent labs confirm this? Man they must have a set of standards that no other pharmaceutical company seems to possess.

did you read my post? If so, why did you repeat it????

 

[xFRACTION]

See it is stuff like this that gets people annoyed.

Yea I negged Him for that. This is a perfect example of laziness and ignorance.

 

[muscl3s]

i'm just glad i bought RLS Malicious Mass instead:hammer:

 

[Messor]

Mod edit: take it somewhere else.

 

[mw1]

i'm just glad i bought RLS Malicious Mass instead:hammer:

Ha --maybe wait till next week:bigeyes:

 

[on the run]

interested in hearing these test results.. i'm not surprised the OP chose ntbm to test to be honest (for all the people wondering why she didn't test other supp companies). you only need to spend a day on this forum to see every 2nd poster is a rep for them, and every thread on ANY supp will always end up with people harking on about beastdrol/monsterdrol/whatever claiming they are the best and everything else sucks. and yes there are a suspiciously high amount of low post accounts posting this stuff as well.

the blind devotion of those reps in this thread was laughable. doing everything they could to call the test and the OP's reputation into disrepute, when the owner of the company then comes in and admits he was in the wrong.

i have used dieselbolan2 and it worked great for me.. so i am not attacking anyone just for the sake of it. but i am suspicious of their business/promotion tactics, it really is getting too much. at the least the n2bm guy needs to raise his standards a bit for who he employs as reps as a lot of them tend to do more damage then good, ie in the case of this thread.

 

[ryansm]

Don't know if this has been stated, but the molecular weight of the unknown compound is the same as methyl-sten, and really nothing much else.
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[southpaw23]

interested in hearing these test results.. i'm not surprised the OP chose ntbm to test to be honest (for all the people wondering why she didn't test other supp companies). you only need to spend a day on this forum to see every 2nd poster is a rep for them, and every thread on ANY supp will always end up with people harking on about beastdrol/monsterdrol/whatever claiming they are the best and everything else sucks. and yes there are a suspiciously high amount of low post accounts posting this stuff as well.

the blind devotion of those reps in this thread was laughable. doing everything they could to call the test and the OP's reputation into disrepute, when the owner of the company then comes in and admits he was in the wrong.

i have used dieselbolan2 and it worked great for me.. so i am not attacking anyone just for the sake of it. but i am suspicious of their business/promotion tactics, it really is getting too much. at the least the n2bm guy needs to raise his standards a bit for who he employs as reps as a lot of them tend to do more damage then good, ie in the case of this thread.

I have no interest in the outcome of this thread, relative to either side. My opinion is based merely on how NTMB chooses to operate as a business. I think Nathan is beginning to understand that when you hire reps (with a limited understanding of organic chemistry), who consistently pop up in every thread, and take an antagonistic approach when responding to concerns and/or questions (yet make blanket statements regarding how their product is better than a competing company's product), aka a persecution complex - and attack competing companies on their own forum, you're going to end up with some enemies. If you throw enough jabs at people/companies, you'll inevitably run up against someone who not only enjoys jabbing back, but are willing to go all 12 rounds. Either way, I think Nathan's response was an appropriate first step.

 

[chocolatemilk]

Don't know if this has been stated, but the molecular weight of the unknown compound is the same as methyl-sten, and really nothing much else.
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Doesn't mean anything^

Many things can have the same molecular weight...

Diethylene glycol dibutyl ether also has molecular weight of 316 for example.

 

[hardknock]

I dont think he realizes the company that sells this product isn't a sponsor here.

I thought nathan said he owned ntbm and owned the rights to all products or had a hand in rls and/or me supps?

 

[mmowry]

Doesn't mean anything^

Many things can have the same molecular weight...

Diethylene glycol dibutyl ether also has molecular weight of 316 for example.

It does mean something. Diethylene glycol dibutyl ether will harm you methyl sten would cause you to make gains.Id preferthe methyl-sten hypothesis.

 

[hardknock]

still i dont give a rats ass who made it, im not a rep for needto or for anyone dammit, this is plain stupid why?! Because there is NO STANDARD to test 2cyanopherphlex against- therefore you cannt use this as a basis to totally discredit the product- NOT ENOUGH INFO!:damnit:

This is what you must realize, there are reports of substances in the product that is not listed on the label. Whether or not it has all off what is listed on the label doesn't even matter to me but supposed lab results showed unlisted products.

These products do have a standard by which to test. And that is very interesting.

 

[chocolatemilk]

It does mean something. Diethylene glycol dibutyl ether will harm you methyl sten would cause you to make gains.Id preferthe methyl-sten hypothesis.

How did I know someone would say this... lol

I said many molucules have the same mass and the one I mentioned was just an example and not a hypothesis.

His hypothesis is based on molecular mass alone and 4 unknown compounds with at least one having to be a steroid. If you accept that, I really don't know what to to tell you...

 

[mmowry]

How did I know someone would say this... lol

I said many molucules have the same mass and the one I mentioned was just an example and not a hypothesis.

His hypothesis is based on molecular mass alone and 4 unknown compounds with at least one having to be a steroid. If you accept that, I really don't know what to to tell you...

Just saying if youre going to put up a plauseable substance a less toxic one would be a better choice.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Look at it this way. We're all in this boat together. We're all apart of the sinking ship that exists on the borders of what is legal and what is not. Each and everyone one of us can help bailing out the ship. The first step is to make quality products and to always question the quality of the products that we sell/support.

The second step is to stop with the "he said/she said" and simply say that a quality product should be sold regardless of who sells it. It doesn't matter if it's NTBM, IBE, LGS, CEL, PP or any company. If a product comes up as bunk or has other unlisted compound in the mix, we should just say "that **** ain't right" and be done with it.

 

[ryansm]

How did I know someone would say this... lol

I said many molucules have the same mass and the one I mentioned was just an example and not a hypothesis.

His hypothesis is based on molecular mass alone and 4 unknown compounds with at least one having to be a steroid. If you accept that, I really don't know what to to tell you...

I am just posting known steroids that have that particular molecular weight

 

[p5sky]

interested in hearing these test results.. i'm not surprised the OP chose ntbm to test to be honest (for all the people wondering why she didn't test other supp companies). you only need to spend a day on this forum to see every 2nd poster is a rep for them, and every thread on ANY supp will always end up with people harking on about beastdrol/monsterdrol/whatever claiming they are the best and everything else sucks. and yes there are a suspiciously high amount of low post accounts posting this stuff as well.

the blind devotion of those reps in this thread was laughable. doing everything they could to call the test and the OP's reputation into disrepute, when the owner of the company then comes in and admits he was in the wrong.

i have used dieselbolan2 and it worked great for me.. so i am not attacking anyone just for the sake of it. but i am suspicious of their business/promotion tactics, it really is getting too much. at the least the n2bm guy needs to raise his standards a bit for who he employs as reps as a lot of them tend to do more damage then good, ie in the case of this thread.

I have no interest in the outcome of this thread, relative to either side. My opinion is based merely on how NTMB chooses to operate as a business. I think Nathan is beginning to understand that when you hire reps (with a limited understanding of organic chemistry), who consistently pop up in every thread, and take an antagonistic approach when responding to concerns and/or questions (yet make blanket statements regarding how their product is better than a competing company's product), aka a persecution complex - and attack competing companies on their own forum, you're going to end up with some enemies. If you throw enough jabs at people/companies, you'll inevitably run up against someone who not only enjoys jabbing back, but are willing to go all 12 rounds. Either way, I think Nathan's response was an appropriate first step.

I agree with you guys! The reps and the hype is overwhelming, and the attitudes presented in the early stages of this thread were negative. I hate when reps do not represent the co. in a professional manner, I had the same issue a few yr ago with a rep: condescending attitude. Yet he says he does not need to be professional even though he has the sig line of as a company rep.

I appreciate Nathan's responses, he is a professional. He should evaluate the NTBM reps and the philosophy of their role for the company.

 

[hardknock]

Ok well if RLS did sell some bunk product to me and lots of other members on AM? What would be their motive? A few quick dollars?

As a company that would not be a smart move because no one will ever buy from you again and you'd probably end up getting sued. If it is bunk i feel bad for all the people that bought it especially the guys in the armed forces trying to get the edge over the enemy and taking nothing but a placebo.

But it is a little weird that they introduce it, sell it at BOGO free and then have no plans to ever have it again. If its a solid product why not run it again at the same price they sold out in days.

As far as the logs go i guess it is possible to have insiders make profiles and log false information but that seems like a lot of work for a few dollars. This is the gift and the curse of the supplement industry you can make anything, call it anything and put any ingredients on the label. But the only way you can have a reputable business in today's world is by having quality products.

They may have not purposely sold bunk or "spotty" product. However, they could have been duped by the supplier and they may have neglected to test it or, the lab which did may have made mistakes.
Also, other things could have occurred during processing...we have had many cases of contamination with other substances due to cleanliness or lack there of.

I realize this is pages old now but to my PM'er, I have just looked at this tonight while at a play with my wife during intermission so it's all new to me. Didn't realize the question had already been answered about ownership.

 

[hardknock]

the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

id be curious to see how they came up with a standard to compare the compound too.

but that would still leave similar un known compounds as a possibility that have similar molecular weight.

this lab test is worthless without someone who is knowledgeable enough about m.w.'s of compounds to speculate if the m.w. is close to what 2-cyano pheraplex could be.


well, i'll have to take that back, it does show that the supplier of this product has some explaining to do, as there are trace amounts of other stuff that shouldn't be in there.


I'll wait for the results from patrick arnold before I jump to any conclusions. I know henryv is having pa test some samples for him.

Any person with a Bachelors/Chem can total the MW, that's not the complicated part.

 

[hardknock]

well then we are all ****ed because everything has lead in it. They can detect it down to just a few parts per billion now. at that sensitivity of detection you will find lead in everything.

Thats why the EPA has thresholds

My friend was one of the inventors of a hand held lead detector that is about to hit the market and it can detect down to like 4 ppb or something

4? can we say diminutive...I am interested to know for whom is this device for and why they are looking to realize an amount that low?

 

[hardknock]

This post and the credibility of these lab results are laughable. There are some people on this forum with their own hidden agendas and their desperation to discredit the product, and certain individuals/companies, has been obvious since the product was released. Others may just be bitter because of their own company's failures. Either way, the results of the logs speak for themselves, and the one making the videos has been showing how much he's lifting. Or is the next hit piece gonna claim that he's using hollow fake weight plates to make it look like he's lifting more? lol

Not making any harsh words here towards you but 90% of the logs are garbage (logs from EVERY company, not just one), end of story. However, they are usually the only thing which we have to hang our hat on. Videos are pretty much garbage as well...anyone can SAY they were only lifting 200lbs on the bench 6 weeks ago, and toss 315 on the bench and reference that to the drug making the difference. What is there to say that the person doesn't bench 350 already? It's easy to "struggle with 250" when acting.

Are you serious?

This is no attack at any single company in particular. I have no horse here in this race. I'll believe what ntbm has to say until official lab results determine otherwise but please, people, have some common sense.

 

[hardknock]

B) The videos can be seen and show the amount of weight being lifted. How do you discredit that?
Serious? Any fool can ACT as if he cannot lift 200lbs yesterday, take a weeks worth of a drug, toss 220 on the bar and rep it out...then come back one week later and reveal that he really could press 295 and do it because he was lying in the first place

All that a video can tell me is that this person says he can lift a certain weight and i can SEE him lifting it. but, the video cannot tell me if a person is fibbing about how much weight he CANNOT LIFT. I can show you 10 vids of me struggling to deadlift 315, then boom, 4 weeks later, I am ripping 405 for reps...who's to say that I wasn't already doing 405 for reps before the videos of me struggling to get 315?

Falsifying is easy to do.

 

[xFRACTION]

First of all broheim all the logs he was referring to were not sponsored. Its pretty disrespectful to so their hardwork and effort logging their information for others to learn from is garbage

 

[hardknock]

Ok, I asked the lab to revise the report so as to reflect the shipping and receiving of the sample as well and this report includes the chromatagrams for any chemists who may be interested in taking a peak here.
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So what exactly is your argument here, either it does or does not have the ingredients labeled on the label or it does have OTHER substances vs what is on the label or both arguments because I am having a hard time following what you are trying to state.

 

[hardknock]

I'm curious as to why DHEA, caffeine and superdrol were not listed on the bottle. Seems to me i would be worried about that. I think Easy brought up a great point that hasn't been answered. Seems like it was glossed over just to continue bashing on one another.

Honestly, with due respect, I would have like to know why 3 products are in the mixture but not on the label...cross contamination or deliberate?

Everything else is pure toilet substance to me...cyano being under-dosed, overdosed, what ever has no interest here.

Also, what are the OTHER compounds not listed...

 

[hardknock]

First off I would like to thank the people who did this test. I my self have been dealing with the same few manufacturers for almost 3 years now and never had a problem. The same manufacturers I have always used Mrsupps.com also uses and same for RLS.

This product was not made by them however and this one time I went with another because it was something new, a good deal and non of my normal manufacturers had the product. I always do honest business and everyone that I have dealt with thus far has done the same with me. On top of this its a company that has been around for a very long time and everyone knows them.

Being as they were so well known and around for so long I never expected this in a million years( if this test was done right and is true) . Weather the test was done right,wrong, or indifferent does matter!, But at the same time it still raises enough questions in my mind to want to look into it further. It raises enough questions to where more looking into must be done,more questions need to be asked, and this should not be dismissed by my self, as I know some of you feel the same.

We had no plans to discontinue the product Till recent threads where made about new laws going to get passed "http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/163620-designer-anabolic-steroid.html" and I myself had personally gotten a pm/email from This same person who made the thread. The msg to me was one of warning. Warning that others are no longer making pro lines of products and nether should I, Or Mrsupps.com. Although I don't control Mrsupps.com So I cant do much about them.

As most know me, I always take most people at face Value unless given reason not too. So That is why I had the sale and planed to not make the products anymore. The msg that was sent to me sounded nice and more like a guy who just wanted to help me. Deff dd not sound like how he sounds now , with all this I want to attack you and do all this stuff to you. I dont think its very nice to act like a carrying friend In one msg when intentions all along were not friendly at all? Who knows now maybe the intentions all along were to try and scare me to stop selling the products, then make it look like I did for other reasons? I will make no accusations and dont wish to argue over the whole thing anyway.

I have no plans to "bring anyone" into anything and even though I am attacked I have never once did anything back to anyone. At least never took any harmful action to anyone and never would or will.

Maybe some one is under the impression that NTBM or any company I work with,own, or work for has its own Manufacturing? Well we don't and in fact all of our products are made by many of the same places many of the other sponsors and companies use. Unless they make there own. We however never have and I don't think we ever will have that ability.


Many people around this forum know me and have seen me in action. Even patric^^^ Got a free N2KTS from me the other day and asked me in his pm to me " How can you afford this along with all the shipping cost its going to cost you" ..

Easy, I don't own Mrsupps.com and every single one of the 100 bottles that will be sent out, and the shipping cost. All of that is coming out of my pocket. I am paying for them all because I wanted to do it. That is what I like to do and the person I like to be. My intentions would never ever be to
sell a product that does not work to make a quick buck.. My intentions ( as some one here mentioned) is to be around for a wile. and get rick quick schemes are for from the actions I have displayed for a very long time now.

My actions and the way I have done business with everyone around me has been nothing less then of a man who has always wanted to take care of the customers. Do right by each and everyone of them. I have and always will give refunds anytime some one is not happy and now will be no different!!!!

Every company, Every big company out there gets the Sh*t end of the stick some how some way sooner or later it seems. I have seen other companies have a bad batch of something. Others have a batch test lower then normal and so on and so forth, or a product have something in it it was not supposed to have. From ALRI to CEL and IBE and everyone between I have seen this happen here nad there to even the best of them.


To my knowledge The product does have the compound that it should have but that means nothing to me now. Again what matters is this test right here right now... I have called the company who made the product for me and will be working with them on the matter. Just goes to show I should have stuck with the people I always work with and from now on I will. That is of course after I have them do testing and I do some of my own a few times to be 100% positive.

[email protected]
This is my personal email. If anyone is not happy with this product, or any product for that matter. Without hesitation I will give you a refund as I have always done with any product I sell.. Even for companies I don't own Like Mrsupps.com I have helped to make sure customers where happy.

I had a customer from mrsupps.com the other day who had product from almost a year ago he no longer wanted. He contacted me and I gave him a NTBM gift certificate equal to the amount of his order he made 8 months ago and even told him to keep the products.

Stories like that about me ^^^ are not few and far between. They are a common every week occurrence. I do things like this all the time and through actions show people as much as I can that I give a damn about them. People know this about me and I am glad I have done the things I have. My actions show the real person I am now, have been, and always will be..

So no RLS will no longer made this product or any pro hormone line of products but its more to do with not wanting to continue in that kind of product line , just as almost no one else wants to make this kind of product line anymore ether. For the record I do not own Mrsupps.com and the product line there is not mine and has nothing to do with RLS or NTBM. Other then The fact that I like the product line, Use it my self, and It is the product line I back. I have nothing else to do with it.


Yes I can and will admit fault and own this problem with the product here. As of right now with this test ( more will be done I am sure not just by me) and yes If anyone would like a refund you have my emails and I am ready to take care of you.. Not only give you a refund but I will also think of some way to go above and beyond like I always do. I am speaking with the company who made the product and Trying to make sure they do the right thing by me also but regardless I will take care of my customers as I always doo.


As for being accused of owning Mrsupps.com That is false. I sold them all of that years ago and of course I want to see what was once mine do well. Just like The owner of Brutalalchemy still calls me a few times a week to see how his old product line is doing. You have a sense of passion for what you created..

Just like I am sure now as we can see IBE still has a passion for his old product line that is now owned by PHF ( I think but I am no expert on the subject)...


So To make things clear.
I own Needtobuildmuscle and I also own Rlssupplements with another Partner. Needtobuildmusce however does not own RLS. I dont own nor does NTBM own Mrsupps.com

The N2KTS product Sells at Mrsupps.com now because the place I was once making it through was no longer able to make it for me. I spoke to the owner of Mrsupps.com and he was able to have some one make the product.

So I allowed him to have the product for a time and planed to have it come back to NTBM later. He did me a favor and I did him a favor. That is what friends DO.



I can see some one here does not like me. That is fine I am no stronger to some people not liking me. Like I have always done when some one gets a hrd on for me and wants to start a campaign against me I will stay the person I have always been. If I find something wrong I will fix it and do my best to make it right with any and all the people I need to make it right with. Then if there is some one who needs to make it right with me I will ask them to do so.

To my friends, fans, Family, and all the people I hold dear to my heart on all the forums. I love you and you know that I do. I will go to the ends of the earth for all of you and you mean everything to me. You are the ones who I care about more then anything and even above my self. You know how I have loved you and treated you and always will. I have always laid my self out there for you. Spent countless hours on the phone with all of you. The billions of pm's sent back and forth between us. The 3 am email conversations and the Midnight phone calls. The way you know before you even call me things will be done right and you will hang up twice as happy as before the call.

How my wife knows many of you by name, and puts a smile on the emails back to you. Or she knows the products you like and even though you never ordered it she knew you would want to try the new protein bar flavor so she put on in your pack.. I have even heard my wife talk for hours with some of you and not like a customer but as the new found friend we both wanted you to be.

We have been family owned and operated Since the day we started and I hope to stay that way. I have always wanted to treat everyone as family and not once has anyone ever dealt with me and felt they were looked at or treated in any other way. O am confident anyone who has ever dealt with me in the past, deals with me now, or will deal with me in the future has and always will see this..


So for this or any problem We will do everything we can to take care of the people who know and love us and have been our customers for a very long time now.. Thank you so much to everyone. Again
My emails is [email protected] for any problems with a RLS order.

If for any other reason you wish to contact me. My contact info, Normal every day email, and phone number is on the contact us at Needtobuildmuscle.com. As always my number is open 24 hours a day 6 days a week.. Saterday is the only day I set aside to be with my family. Even then I will prob pick up and speak with you..

Love you all

Thanks! Glad you stood up and spoke on the matter at hand.

Im done, just waiting on results now...

 

[hardknock]

Thank, seems like this fact keeps on getting skirted. That fact of the matter is this product contained things that weren't listed on the label. Now i'm not trying to bash here, but they are at fault for this. No matter if you used this manufacturer just this once, which seems sketchy or hundreds of times. Everyone can sit here and grand stand about how great RLS and NTBM are, everyone can bash on one another, turning this into BB.com. I also don't doubt NTBM and RLS makes great supplements for that matter but they have to own up at this point. Take it on the chin like many other companies have and admit tainted product if all this true. Key word being if all is true obviously.

I think that he is, at least, attempting to rectify this situation. This is more than can be said for some in the past; however, I am still interested in how those unlabeled substances got in there...very intriguing.

 

[hardknock]

Nathan, if you can, just post your original lab results and that should put out any fires....?

 

[hardknock]

funny considering she started her supp company by selling research chemicals. then has the nerve to question someone's quality

Well, she has admitted in the PAST that her company had quality issues on occasions...I think that should give her some rope

 

[mich29]

this thread has been a great read.however I hope it doesn't do more harm than good.the last time I saw a thread like this the end result was bad for the whole supp game.

 

[hardknock]

which is funny because the dude says it could be his fault, owned up and offered a refund. so if she was trying to slander the guy, she failed horribly.

and what makes it worse is her entire company was funded off research chemicals that skirt the law. only in the supp industry can you find such hypocrisy.

Seriously, what you are saying is utter urine. Just because someone has ran a shady company or may have does not change independent lab results.

All of this you go this way, i go that way means nothing. The chain of custody issue has been cleared up and IBE has admitted to having issues with products in the past.

i am not able to make a correlation to how any of that changes a lab result?

I do agree that a person who has a personal issue against another company does not make the situation any better but that still does not CHANGE the lab result.

 

[hardknock]

Pardon my ignorance, but if there is not a 2-cyano standard to test the compound in question against, who is to say they do or don't have it? If they do have a standard, they should defend themselves by testing against it. If they don't have a standard, how would they ever know the compound was legit to begin with????

Rely on the makers of the drug to say ye or nay.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Don't know if this has been stated, but the molecular weight of the unknown compound is the same as methyl-sten, and really nothing much else.
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if you are talking about 317 thats impossible. i dont need to do the math. if you have just carbons hydrogens and oxygens it can only be an even number

 

[Patrick Arnold]

This is what you must realize, there are reports of substances in the product that is not listed on the label. Whether or not it has all off what is listed on the label doesn't even matter to me but supposed lab results showed unlisted products.

These products do have a standard by which to test. And that is very interesting.

the amount of the impurities, as reported, are physiologically insignificant. perhaps it could be a problem for a crusading fda agent but for consumers it should be insignificant

 

[nattydisaster]

if you are talking about 317 thats impossible. i dont need to do the math. if you have just carbons hydrogens and oxygens it can only be an even number

Methystenbolone has a MW of 316.47758 according to Chemsketch. Not sure if that means anything though I just felt like using my chemsketch

 

[Patrick Arnold]

4? can we say diminutive...I am interested to know for whom is this device for and why they are looking to realize an amount that low?

i just hung with the lead device guy. he told me that 15 ppb was the epa
safety threshold for lead in drinking water. if you saw my calculations earlier you will see clearly that the amount anyone could realistically get from these caps is well below what you get in a day of water

the guy was part of a team that utilized dna fragements that had affinity for lead. very specific affinity. they labeled them with fluorophores. that means that when the fragments encounter lead and bind they change confirmation and a fluouresence emission is released. my friend worked on the detector and minituriazation of the apparatus. i think it detects down to four ppb or something. which is below current detectablity. and is also immediate and not having to be sent out. the fact that you said "4" is kinda scary. was that a guess?

 

[nattydisaster]

I want to know how these hangouts go down...drinkin beers talking about chemicals and lead devices lol. Jock nerds

 

[Patrick Arnold]

First of all broheim all the logs he was referring to were not sponsored. Its pretty disrespectful to so their hardwork and effort logging their information for others to learn from is garbage

cuz you say so

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Honestly, with due respect, I would have like to know why 3 products are in the mixture but not on the label...cross contamination or deliberate?

Everything else is pure toilet substance to me...cyano being under-dosed, overdosed, what ever has no interest here.

Also, what are the OTHER compounds not listed...

these substances were there at very low levels.

i have a story. a chemist had an instrument designed to detect chemicals at parts per trillion. he took some carpet fibers and extracted whatever was attached to them with solvent. he concentrated it down (part of the means by which he could detect ppt) and tested it. he found about 20,000 chemicals.

i have more stories. if you want i can tell them. but bottom line is you should not give a damn about impurities unless they are physiologically significant

 

[hardknock]

First of all broheim all the logs he was referring to were not sponsored. Its pretty disrespectful to so their hardwork and effort logging their information for others to learn from is garbage

Most logs are garbage..

I should have elaborated a bit...

When someone does a log, we have very little to go on as to what conditions the logs were kept under. In an actual analysis, there are controls to test against and many tests are done under environmental controls as well. Everything is recorded down to the damn eye dilation in some test.

When someone logs something on a board, unless the person has a solid history of logging products then it is highly UNLIKELY that I would even consider what they say as plausible, much less truth. Now, when I say solid history, I do not mean 1 year, I mean multiple years. Easy, Trauma, Unreal, mass69, bobo, come to mind...I have seen evidence on boards for multiple years. I would consider some of what they have to say as solid when concerning a log. Now, the reason is that usually what they (and the few akin to them) have to say about a product is very plausible because after I research the product myself, and have people that I KNOW PERSONALLY run it, what they report nearly mirrors what they have to say about the product.

After a few years of this, you have to give credit to their findings (not drinking their "cool-aid")but you get my point...

So, if joe blah posts up and says that they gained 30lbs off of halo and I KNOW for a 100% fact that 17 people gained around 5-9lbs, I would say joe is full of shyt.

With that being said, I cannot ascertain if the people in which you are referencing are bullshytting or not. I was simply stating the obvious that most logs are pretty much worthless because we have NO IDEA what environment the logs were conducted under.

Here is one example::::not to long ago, there was a guy that logged a product that is supposed to help with LH/FSH after a steroid cycle. Now, the product was sold by a sponsor here, well, after further investigation, I found out that the guy was not only taking the OTC product but also taking a prescription med that helped to restart his system. Yet, through all of that, he swore to Jesus and whatever other alien entity you want to believe in that all he was taking was the OTC product.

Nuff said.