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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

It was only for aweeek but wow
 
UnrealMachine said:
i don't think it matters how big I am, test is just like, practically nothing for me. Same with halodrol i'm running 100-125mg everyday and at first I felt some hardness but now I barely notice anything. Same with epi and prostanozol and trenadrol and the masteron blah blah etc. etc. all just do nothing i'm tired of arguing it because it's something i've had to accept.

SD is saving me here, once i added it in, i got better pumps and fullness, I am confident I can keep my strength in the next couple weeks using 30mg 4x a week of SD and reverse what the T3 has been doing.

I'm dropping the test because it's not doing anything but giving me puffy nips and I'm tired of dealing with puffy nips for 3 months straight. I can't look jacked with my nips looking puffy so often. As for libido I've done plenty of cycles with no test and never any problems so i'm really not concerned.

Really... I'll drop the test and there won't be any significant differences... just wait and see.

CM keep in mind the first time I used test early in 2009, I had essentially come off SD into nothing (bunk test and no PCT) and about a month later I started pinning prop 700mg a week. Going from post-SD no PCT test levels to high test cycle levels was a pretty insignificant difference.

I know its hard to believe, and some people still don't believe me, or still insist that all the test i've ever used has been fake, but it is what it is. And my bloodwork doesn't lie so the test isn't fake BTW lol...


what I want to do:
mast enanthate 2mL 2x a week for 800mg everyweek
i'm doing 100mg of halodrol and 30mg of SD on lift days 4x a week
125mg of halodrol on cardio days

its hard to believe but the mast and halodrol are really doing very little beyond some hardening which at this point (with this amount of T3 catabolism going on) is barely perceptible. Honestly if i want to make gains like other people I'll have to start cycling like Jasen :).
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Im in exactly the same boat. I need to run **** at extremely high doses to get effects, I need to run test at 2 grams a week to get good gains(alongside letro of course).
 
day 92

228 lbs (somehow went back up :))

chest
bench: 135*15, 225*10, 265*6, 285*6, 305*6
db flys: 60*8, 65*8
cable flys: 4 sets
incline pushups: 3 sets to failure

hmmm more low volume training with some nice burnouts, good workout and good pump.

@hungryH haha maybe I need to run my test at 2g as well. That's a little harsh on the wallet though. Go through a vial every week ><

I'm trying tren out in my next cycle or thats the plan anyway. And I have M1T. I'll see what I do with it.
 
dude cable flies at the end of a good chest workout get me so pumped it hurts! i love it!

nice workout by the way bro
 
UnrealMachine said:
day 92

228 lbs (somehow went back up :))

chest
bench: 135*15, 225*10, 265*6, 285*6, 305*6
db flys: 60*8, 65*8
cable flys: 4 sets
incline pushups: 3 sets to failure

hmmm more low volume training with some nice burnouts, good workout and good pump.

@hungryH haha maybe I need to run my test at 2g as well. That's a little harsh on the wallet though. Go through a vial every week ><

I'm trying tren out in my next cycle or thats the plan anyway. And I have M1T. I'll see what I do with it.
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Unreal that weight is really fluctuating brah. Is that a good or bad thing the weight has gone up that much for you?

2g a week of test, yeah now you're on jay cutler status Unreal, maybe that's what you need to do. LOL. I should type out the "olympia stack" in the new MD. You should see how much juice these guy's are on. Anyone else see that article?
 
BarbellBeast said:
Unreal that weight is really fluctuating brah. Is that a good or bad thing the weight has gone up that much for you?

2g a week of test, yeah now you're on jay cutler status Unreal, maybe that's what you need to do. LOL. I should type out the "olympia stack" in the new MD. You should see how much juice these guy's are on. Anyone else see that article?
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You mean this article? I found it on another site. and most of the guys there think the pros actually take as much as double this in reality.



Here it is bros, enjoy!

Muscular Development October 2010 By. Dan Gwartney, M.D.
Weeks 16-9:
Anabolics:
Test E - 1600mg/wk
Nandrolone Decanote- 600mg/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Oxandrolone - 20mg/day
HCG - 400iu/wk
hgh - 6iu/day
IGF1 - 80mcg/every other day
Insulin - 6 to 10 iu post workout

Fat Reduction:
Ephedrine/Caffine - 50/400 mg /day
Armour Thyroid Extract - 1.5grains/day
Arimidex - 0.5mg/every other day
Teslac: 50mg/day

Adjunct Drugs:
finastride-2mgs/day
lisinopril - 5mg/day

Weeks 8-3
Test E - 600mgs/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Methenolone enathate - 600mg/wk
stanozolo tabs- 40mg/day
anadriol oral - 240mg/day
hcg - 250iu/wk
hgh: 4iu/day
igf1 - 80mcg/day
insulin 6iu with meal after morning cardio
insulin 6 iu with post workout

Fatloss:
Ephedrine/caffeine - 75/500
Clen - 2tabs/"on day" (2on2off cycle)
armour tyroid extract: 1.25 grains/day
cytomel: 25mcg/day
arimidex: 1mg/day alternate w/ .5mg/day
teslac: 100mgs/day

ajd drugs:
lisinopril 10mgs/day
viagra as needed

week2 - day 4
test e - 200mg (week 2 only)
tren A - 150mg (week 2 only)
win V inject - 100mg/day
methenolone enanthate - 600mg/wk
winstrol oral - 80mg/day
oxandrolone - 20mgs/day
hgh - 3iu/day
insulin: 4 iu with morning meal after cardio
insulin: 4 iu post wokrout

Fatloss
Eph/caf - 75/500 mg/day
clen: 3tabs/day
armour thyroid ext: 1 grain/day
cytomel: 50mcg/day
Arimidex: 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day

adj drugs
lisinopril: 12.5mg/day

Day 3-0
primo A oral - 250mg/day
winstrol v orial - 50mgs/day
hgh: 2iu/day

Fatloss:
ephedrine/caffine - 50/200 mg/day
clen - 4 tabs/day
arimidex 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day
cytomel: 100 mcg/day

waterloss
aldactone: 100mg/day
dyazide: 1tab pm (day 1) 1 tab am (day 2)

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Yup that's it, thanks soontobbeast

That's what i love about MD, they aren't afraid at all to talk steroids, and they show what the pro's are all on for the olympia. That's ****ing awesome.
 
Seems very low dosed test and tren .......... As well as other stuff I'm sure pros taker much more doses, ppl on hete take higher doses
 
150 mg Tren Ace a week? Are you sure thats not a day?

I wonder if they do cardio taking armour thyroid AND 100 mcg T3. risky... imo even with all the anabolics.

Unreal been a while, are you still taking need2slin? what is your final verdict on that product?? btw i know ur a needtobuildmuscle rep but please be honest :)
 
I finished Need2slin a while ago. I definitely noticed when i took it with carbs, I seemed to get more thirsty than usual, and got more of a pump in my muscles, which is indicative of the carbohydrate shuttling effects. I really can't comment on what it's done visually/numerically for me as I've been stacking anabolics the whole time but certainly I've made good progress in that time period ;)

I just started to take recompadrol which is a similar, competing product actually and I'll be able to compare the two. But it will be difficult to compare since i'm on a lower carb diet now and I'm taking the recompadrol with my low carb meals so it won't quite be the same.

Really it is hard for me to judge exactly what supplements are doing to me because it's not like superdrol where I can be like "well I gained 12 pounds in 4 weeks"

anyway you should expect nothing but honesty from me
 
You're right - and I do. idk why I said that. thanks. im thinkin of trying the need2slin myself as I have noticed some nice effects personally with ALA (and test and tren, heh). Ive gained a little respect for supplement "nutrient partitioners" though since I started megadosing ALA. it works

Cycle looks good btw... this is an epic cycle... I'm still on mine too :) I just had to drop my T3 down, too.... I was doing fine at 125 mcgs with the prop/tren, but 1 ****ing day of cardio and i seriously think I lost like half an inch off my shoulders neck chest and back. Ive been ****ing livid, and trying to fight off depression. I will never do it again.

Anyway my conclusion is that what really creates the major catabolism, for me, is the combo of the T3 AND cardio. When i've just done one or the other, with anabolics of course, i experience no muscle loss but as soon as i combined the two good lord, ****ing obscene. I'm so mad I'm going to just transition off of tren enth into tren ace once i'm out, and I'm starting dbol tomorrow... I want that goddamn mass back, I was ****ing huge
 
lol well part of that is probably in your head because you shouldn't lose muscle that fast or anything. And what's weird is that I haven't noticed as much recomp effect on this cycle as I did last summer where I was doing cardio EVERYDAY... that greatly accelerated my fatloss. And I was getting stronger last summer too cuz I was using good anabolics like SD/PP/Tren. But here's the thing to consider, 125mcg of T3 is wayy too much IMO. I've been on 75-80 and I felt like that was too much and I have just dropped back down to 50mcg (which is what I was doing last summer BTW).

Anyway if you noticed just ALA then need2slin will work wonders I think... give it a try.
 
day 93

228 lbs

back
t-bar row machine: 135*8, 160*8, 180*8, 205*8, 225*5 (that was good 5 plates on the machine :))
lat pulldowns (wide grip): 240*10, 260*10, 280*10 (very good sets)
cable rows: 250*10, 270*10, 290*8 (way heavier than i've ever gone, amazing sets)
iso rows: 160*10 (also great)

my volume was pretty low... but all those sets of 10 felt amazing.
 
wowww DAY 100

pretty amazing

decided to do cardio today. I am transitioning into 3x a day weightlifting and 4x a day cardio because I need more cardio. I'll model the lifting after DC style but I won't train DC style, instead I'll train my traditional way with low volume and very high weight, high intensity. Just try to lift heavy and maintain strength as I keep getting weaker from this cutting.
And I am weaker.

I am down to 224 today.

I am a long ways away from 8%. I don't think I'll make my goal of 8% at 220. I still have tons of flab on my midsection. My chest is getting better but you see I got a ways to go before the same striations I have in my avatar :( i'll keep trying and keep trying that's the best I can do

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that ish looks pretty striated to me bro..

nice posterior delts too.. i think alot of bb's neglect that muscle and it makes a huge difference in physique appearance
 
bezoe said:
that ish looks pretty striated to me bro..

nice posterior delts too.. i think alot of bb's neglect that muscle and it makes a huge difference in physique appearance
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lookin great bro!
 
Epic pictures bro. Awesome motivation to keep pushing harder so I can catch up one day!!! =]
and yeah delts look great, I'm glad I finally started working on mine, wish I would have sooner.

What figure your at 10-11% sounds about right. You thinking maybe 217 or so to hit 8%?
 
yeah i hate getting weaker on my lifts.. that always sucks. Unreal bro you look good man, I'd be happy to be that lean. I mean you can see your abs real good, i really don't see any flab. lol. But whatever makes you happy. :)
 
remember what i've told you barbellbeast, in this i game i can never be happy or satisfied with what i've got, i'll always want more, and that's the attitude it takes to make progress :)

i don't think i'm 11% tho I think 10% tops probably getting under 10, there's 0 fat on my lower body and my calves and even quads are showing good vascularity

day 101
223 lbs today

used the same workout pattern as DC however instead of doing DC training with rest pauses I am just doing intense heavy training the way I like it

biceps: db curls 60*8 wu, bb curls 145*8, 165*8
forearms: reverse grip bb curls 115*15, double burnout set wrist-curling the bar
calves: 3 consecutive sets ~30 reps to failure, short rest periods
hamstrings: SLDL 225*10, 315*7, 315*6
quads: leg extension 190*15, 180*20

i actually did good on the bb curls because i hit high weight on just my 2nd working set. The forearms were fun, i never ever work them. Loved doing calves, great pump, all my calve veins shot out from it. The SLDL, man I felt so weak at them. I haven't really trained hamstrings since last summer lol. The leg extensions were good actually as my quads were looking very defined as I did them.

I really like using the DC workout days but lifting my own style with them. The rest pause sets and stretching the way DC describes are so absolutely brutal. A goal of mine should be to become badass enough to train balls to the wall DC style and be able to stay with it.
 
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Dude you look so slim and yet still jacked. You've really been doing a good job at holding onto LBM.

I don't see any size loss around the arms shoulders chest AT ALL. That's an awesome job man.

That SD must really help huh... It looks like it for the amount of weight you've dropped and literally no difference in size around chest, shoulders, and arms.
 
since i am too lazy to read the whole thread, i was wondering what your complete cycle looked like to date.i remember you running test and high dose h-drol at some point and t3, but if you could give a quick overview from beginning to this point i would be interested.
thank you

p.s.
i see the cycle design on page one, but you made some additions, changes right?
 
redman24 said:
since i am too lazy to read the whole thread, i was wondering what your complete cycle looked like to date.i remember you running test and high dose h-drol at some point and t3, but if you could give a quick overview from beginning to this point i would be interested.
thank you

p.s.
i see the cycle design on page one, but you made some additions, changes right?
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it's so complicated I can hardly keep track of it

i started off with low test test/masteron 350/320 ew erespectively and first 5 weeks did a combination of superdrol of pheraplex. Bloodwork looked great for liver so I only took 4 weeks off before starting up halodrol at 75mg and quickly working to 100mg and ramping T3 up to 75mcg. From there I threw in SD on WO days 20mg then 30mg pulse and got halo up to 100-125mg.
Now I have transitioned down to only 75mg halodrol and 30mg of SD 3x a week on wo days and now doing cardio 4x a week (was 4x lifting and 3x cardio). Also have cut testosterone out completely and isntead ramped masteron up to 800 ew.

So currently doing halo at 75ed, SD at 30mg 3x/week, mast at 800 ew.
Lift MWF following DC training days but doing high intensity heavy training instead of DC training. And cardio the other 4x a week. T3 at 50mcg. Recompadrol and some caffeine thrown in there.

Interesting to note that I stopped injecting test over 2 weeks ago and my libido has been unaffected and my nipple sensitivity is still a constant thing even tho I still dose some letro regularly. Ya I can't figure it out.

I'm getting no sides that I can tell really... I think my body temp has been a little elevated from the T3 though. Main thing I'm noticing right now is good hardness. Even with the SD pulse in there I have lost strength because I've been outright cutting
223 lbs currently so I've lost 12 pounds in about a month
Actually counted my calories the other day and I was under 3K
320p/160c/100f i think it was, 2820 cals
 
unreal, they say SD is a "carb monster". im planning on running sd during a cut here soon and just wanted your opinion on whether or not it'd be a good idea to do it on a low carb diet. ill probably be getting 80 or so grams of carbs a day.

you dont feel too cranky do you? lol
 
i can do SD just fine on low carbs or no carbs but that's just me, not susceptible to lethargy or low blood sugar or whatever it is that people get and I don't need carbs. I think it depends on your carb response, if you don't need carbs for energy then SD shouldn't change that.
 
Id love some anadrol cut maybe in afew yrs
 
bezoe said:
unreal, they say SD is a "carb monster". im planning on running sd during a cut here soon and just wanted your opinion on whether or not it'd be a good idea to do it on a low carb diet. ill probably be getting 80 or so grams of carbs a day.

you dont feel too cranky do you? lol
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ehh.. not really a carb monster. if you want that full glycogen pump all the time, then yeah but really i did fine on a limited amount of carbs. in fact i prefer to run something like that with lower carbs.. just a little tired but not enough to call lethargic

UnrealMachine said:
i can do SD just fine on low carbs or no carbs but that's just me, not susceptible to lethargy or low blood sugar or whatever it is that people get and I don't need carbs. I think it depends on your carb response, if you don't need carbs for energy then SD shouldn't change that.
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x 2... ... got a tiny bit tired but like i said above i wasn't dragging ass. just like me on dbol on my cut. usually its used for a bulk but its really helping me out in the strength department and im not bloating WHATSOEVER
 
Talk more about your dbol cut, how long dose?
 
SouthernCharm said:
ehh.. not really a carb monster. if you want that full glycogen pump all the time, then yeah but really i did fine on a limited amount of carbs. in fact i prefer to run something like that with lower carbs.. just a little tired but not enough to call lethargic



x 2... ... got a tiny bit tired but like i said above i wasn't dragging ass. just like me on dbol on my cut. usually its used for a bulk but its really helping me out in the strength department and im not bloating WHATSOEVER
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that is good, i think that bloat is more diet dependent than anything else anyway but i've read of a few people that are just susceptible to bloat from different steroids and will bloat up anyway. For me it's all about diet tho

My friend was telling me that steroids can have an effect on electrolyte balance that'll make stuff like sodium have a greater effect, i suppose that combined with the high water intake helps to create bloat.
 
UnrealMachine said:
that is good, i think that bloat is more diet dependent than anything else anyway but i've read of a few people that are just susceptible to bloat from different steroids and will bloat up anyway. For me it's all about diet tho

My friend was telling me that steroids can have an effect on electrolyte balance that'll make stuff like sodium have a greater effect, i suppose that combined with the high water intake helps to create bloat.
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TheyDo have effect , when in on cycle I take in more electrolytes
 
UnrealMachine said:
that is good, i think that bloat is more diet dependent than anything else anyway but i've read of a few people that are just susceptible to bloat from different steroids and will bloat up anyway. For me it's all about diet tho

My friend was telling me that steroids can have an effect on electrolyte balance that'll make stuff like sodium have a greater effect, i suppose that combined with the high water intake helps to create bloat.
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well i understand the high amount of sodium and then a large water intake, but in my experience, the more water i drink (while keeping sodium out) the leaner i feel, or less bloated if you will.
 
SouthernCharm said:
well i understand the high amount of sodium and then a large water intake, but in my experience, the more water i drink (while keeping sodium out) the leaner i feel, or less bloated if you will.
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the more hydrated u are, the less water u will hold.

i think its hillarious when ppl start dieting and dont up their water intake.....all ur body is going to do is hold every little bit of water it can
 
nosnmiveins said:
the more hydrated u are, the less water u will hold.

i think its hillarious when ppl start dieting and dont up their water intake.....all ur body is going to do is hold every little bit of water it can
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bingo!!! i drink 2-3 gallons a day, and yeah it has me pissing all day but its a small price to pay rather than feeling uncomfortable all day. when i dont drink enough water its hard to get food down, sweat more and just dont feel as great...
 
I upped my sodium intake nicely on cycle.

That bloat is a small price to pay for the benefits. My football coach who was a bodybuilder told me to eat lots of salt when working out. He said the muscles need it for contracting and it's a big plus to eat lots of it.

Only thing is, when I up my water intake with that much salt, I do bloat.

But it helps in the gym anyways for me. And besides I love bloated look on my upper body chest and traps and delts area especially when working out in wife beater. And you can come off a bloat pretty easy and fast if needed so it's no big deal unless it's estrogen related from being on cycle with Test or something.
 
lol sorry CM but I don't know why ANYBODY would purposely up their sodium intake lol... I just dont understand it ... not trying to be a d1ck just surprised a coach told you that

unreal not trying to hijack but this is an interesting read on salt from bb.com




What Is Salt?

Salt, or sodium chloride, is a chemical compound. Salt occurs naturally in many areas of the world. Salt crystals are cubic in form - if you view salt through a magnifying glass, you will see small "squares" or cubes.

Salt is an essential nutrient - your body requires both sodium and chloride, and cannot manufacture these elements on its own. This is why there is a human gustatory receptor (taste bud) specifically for salt, forming one of the basic components of "taste". Salt is an electrolyte and has a slight charge. Salt preserves food by making it difficult for microorganisms to live - the salt draws water from the cells of microorganisms and dehydrates them.

In the body, salt helps to regulate blood volume and pressure. The relationship between salt and blood pressure was known as long as 4,000 years ago, when the Chinese emperor Huang Ti wrote of the connection between salt and a "hardened pulse." Many studies have shown that increasing or decreasing salt intake for salt-sensitive individuals can have a direct impact on blood pressure. Within the body, salt serves as part of the ion pump. Just as salt formed a hostile environment for microorganisms by dehydrating them, salt controls water balance in the human body. The sodium/potassium pump is a prime example of how electrolytes are critical to health (sodium and potassium are both electrolytes). Two potassium molecules are pulled into a cell, and three sodium molecules are pumped out. This is an endless cycle, with the net result that cells carry a slightly negative electrical charge.

For many years, controversy has existed with respect to the optimal amounts of salt in the diet. Unfortunately, many studies focused on the salt content of foods without taking into account other electrolytes. Biologically and physiologically, sodium intake alone does not regulate the sodium/potassium pump - potassium intake is important as well! More important than the amount of sodium in the diet is the ratio of sodium to potassium. While food labels are required to report sodium content, they are not required to report potassium content, which makes analyzing potassium intake extremely difficult.

Recent research suggests that this ratio is critical. While many studies have focused on high sodium content in the diet, it appears that problems with hypertension may be related more to an inappropriate ratio of sodium to potassium. Processed foods are extremely high in sodium. The major sources of potassium are fruits and vegetables. In recent years, the typical American diet has increased in the amount of processed foods and drastically decreased in the amount of whole, unprocessed foods such as fruit and vegetables. This means that sodium intake is potentially much higher than potassium intake.


What You Should Know About Salt...

When monitoring sodium in the diet, it is important to consider two factors. The first factor already discussed is the ratio of sodium to potassium. In order to balance this ratio, it is important to eat whole, unprocessed foods and not to add excessive salt to meals. This will lower the amount of sodium in the diet. One should also increase the amount of fruit and vegetables consumed in order to increase potassium in the diet. The exact ratio is unknown, but research suggests that a 1:1 ratio is probably a good target. The typical American diet is more than a 5:1 ratio in favor of salt!

The second factor to consider is fluctuation of intake. Salt sensitivity is not sensitivity to salt in general. It is sensitivity to a drastic change of salt intake. If a person is taking 5 grams of sodium consistently, then suddenly goes on a low sodium diet, problems can occur with a radical shift in blood pressure. Similarly, someone on a "low sodium" diet who suddenly increases sodium intake may experience similar problems.

This is why many people who eat healthy throughout the week and then treat themselves to a "splurge" meal sometimes feel nauseous and can even experience elevated heart rate and blood pressure: it is the body's reaction to the sudden increase in salt intake.

The sodium/potassium pump affects fluid balance. The body monitors the amount of salt and potassium in the bloodstream, as the body has no mechanism for storing electrolytes. Sodium and potassium are typically filtered in the kidney. When a shortage of either exists, the body secretes hormones that drastically reduce excretion of electrolytes and fluids. This is why cutting out sodium too soon before a body building competition can actually cause the competitor to retain water - the body is reacting to the lowered intake by preserving fluids and electrolytes.

To summarize, the skinny on salt is as follows:

* Be more concerned with the ratio of salt to potassium than the actual amount of salt in the diet.

* Do not try to eliminate salt - it is essential and required by the body - instead, try to reduce excessive intake by focusing on whole, unprocessed foods and minimizing the amount of salt that you add to meals.

* Increase potassium intake by including 4 - 5 servings of fruit and/or vegetables in your daily menu.

* Focus on restoring electrolytes post-workout, preferably with a higher potassium-to-sodium ratio.

* Avoid frequent, high fluctuations in salt and/or potassium intake, as these may have an adverse effect on your blood pressure.
 
Ahhh it works for me. Salt is an electrolyte. Drinking too much water flushes electrolytes out of your body at high rates and I make up for it with more salt and other minerals and electrolytes but mostly salt. And it feels so good for muscle contractions. My contractions aren't as strong when I'm on a low sodium diet.

My 6'3 260 lbs 12% bf football coach knew his stuff so I trusted him and it works for me. It's not THAT crazy of an idea.
 
well i understand that.. but its not good in excess. I dont drink enough to flush it out of my system.. I eat beef, bacon, etc.. There's plenty of sodium naturally in my diet, I don't need to add any. Youre right about the electrolytes but if that's the case that you're upping the salt and not feeling bad from it you must have a good amount of potassium in there too. just my 2 cents
 
I bloat the most when i eat a lot of carbs and get a carb thirst from it, and then drink a lot of water... so for me in that instance, staying hydrated causes disgusting bloat
 
UnrealMachine said:
I bloat the most when i eat a lot of carbs and get a carb thirst from it, and then drink a lot of water... so for me in that instance, staying hydrated causes disgusting bloat
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well then you know better than to consume a lot of carbs! lol....
 
chocolatemilk said:
I had to dig this up. WTF were you on and WTF were you doing to get your f***ing abs to like that!!!! ^^
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oh that was last year when I got really lean on my recomp cycle that included PH tren, SD, PP and T3. I had ab veins like mad, I am trying to get back to that point but at a slightly higher weight since I was a measly 212 there

uhm just saw the 2nd part of that question, to get my abs to look like that, involved doing lots of weighted ab exercises to build bigger abdominal muscles. I have mentioned this before I think ab muscles need to be trained with weight so you get bigger ab muscles which stick out more and look more pronounced. Instead i see people training abs with a billion reps and no weight and very high frequency and they all have flat weak abs. Just like any muscle group if you train them with a million reps and no weight they won't grow any bigger or stronger.

SouthernCharm said:
well then you know better than to consume a lot of carbs! lol....
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yep **** carbs
 
bezoe said:
unreal, they say SD is a "carb monster". im planning on running sd during a cut here soon and just wanted your opinion on whether or not it'd be a good idea to do it on a low carb diet. ill probably be getting 80 or so grams of carbs a day.

you dont feel too cranky do you? lol
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I am not a "carb" person (I do much better off fats and protein), but I got very lethargic and sick feeling while running SD on a low-carb diet. Unreal is immune to SD and I know other guys handle it well but just wanted to give my experience so you know...
 
UnrealMachine said:
uhm just saw the 2nd part of that question, to get my abs to look like that, involved doing lots of weighted ab exercises to build bigger abdominal muscles. I have mentioned this before I think ab muscles need to be trained with weight so you get bigger ab muscles which stick out more and look more pronounced. Instead i see people training abs with a billion reps and no weight and very high frequency and they all have flat weak abs. Just like any muscle group if you train them with a million reps and no weight they won't grow any bigger or stronger.
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amen.. these hardheaded morons doing 1000 crunches on the stability ball a hundred miles an hour.. wtf is that? a cardio session?

salt is essential.. its just that the "average" fatass american adds salt to already over-sodium rich fastfood and doesnt get nearly enough fluid intake to keep a healthy h2o-electrolyte balance
 
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