think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

i feel bad for the guy she was gonna send the video to

dragon, nice article for evidence. I found another one during that argument but didnt want to prolong the shenanigans.

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bezoe said:
i feel bad for the guy she was gonna send the video to

dragon, nice article for evidence. I found another one during that argument but didnt want to prolong the shenanigans.

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Eh, not quite the same thing, as the muscle being studied is the dominant muscle group for each exercise. IOW, quads are the main muscle in each movement, whereas back is considered to be the main muscle group in pull-ups/chins, and biceps just the secondary group.
 
Dragon13 said:
Eh, not quite the same thing, as the muscle being studied is the dominant muscle group for each exercise. IOW, quads are the main muscle in each movement, whereas back is considered to be the main muscle group in pull-ups/chins, and biceps just the secondary group.
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thats true and its not the best study but its the closest i could find at the time to demonstrate isolation vs compound emg activity.

i actually think i skimmed over the one you posted as i was searching.. supports my side of the argument well
 
where u at unreal? no update. fukk man its chest day. i know u worked out today brah.. must be havin some fun or something.. i know i did today.. lol
 
bassgod272 said:
You ARE aware that there are weight classes right? He does not need more size. If he were to prep for a show and do it, he would come in absolutely shredded and full. He would probably win. I was only at 212 at 5'9" when I decided to do this show i'm prepping for right now. Would he need more size to compete at the national level in hopes of getting his pro card, of course. But he doesn't need more size to compete in general.
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x2, true dat..

Unreal my man, where the fock are you???
 
Dude unreal you have nothing to lose if you compete. Seriously bro do you know how small of a percentage of males your age actually look good enough to make it on stage?? Even if you don't win it's an accomplishment, or better yet is a mile marker for all the progress you have made. I think you'd be letting yourself down if you NEVER competed. I can't compete now with my fat ass, but if I'm ever in as good as shape as you are bro, I would be all over it at least TRYING to place.
 
competing: easier said than done though

anyway i have updates

Sunday: glorious cheatmeal day, ate tons of snack food

Monday: started halodrol at 75mg. Still on T3 around 30mcg
weight was up 4 pounds to 236 from all that food on sunday. Ran into a major problem with my workout, did my usual 225*10 on incline as my first working set and it really felt like it ripped up my left outer pec. Same problem i've run into before on last cycle although it wasn't so bad last time, it just feels really sore like it'll heal up just fine. But i basically stopped the chest workout there as everything else I tried had a minor twinge of pain so I just decided its not worth it to push.
So next chest day it's going to be lighter work and very careful on my chest. STupid chest

today: tuesday, weight is still up at 235.
back workout
bent over rows: 225*20, 245*15, 265*8 (these burned out so fast, ran out of juice on last set)
lat pulldowns (parallel palms): 260*8, 280*8, 300*8, 300*8 (felt good still like these)
t-bar row machine: 135*15, 135*12 (so burned out with that type of pull)
that was basically it, i tried to do iso rows but my partner forgot straps so i couldn't grip the bar properly

also to note, Monday I felt like crap after my workout, dunno why.
Today felt pretty meh in the gym, dunno why again, last few mornings been more humid in the gym where I feel like i got hot/sweaty too fast and it's really bad for my endurance, i absolutely hate that warm/muggy feeling in the gym. Gross gross gross.


Anyway not entirely satisfied with the feel i've had in the gym last few days and not being able to bench really anymore so **** it... i am on track to take my recomp on Halodrol and T3 into high gear... at this point I just want to start looking good in the mirror so that's what I'm going for.


Also if any of you guys are familiar with Needto brand supplements, i have accepted a position as product rep on AM since they are becoming sponsors here. They make popular PHs like Beastdrol and Epi-Strong so i will be repping their products here pretty soon.
 
Yeah it might be easier said than done but I bet you I could get 100 bros in here saying that you have the full potential to do it. Im not saying it's easy bro, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a ride getting there??

Anyway, do you feel like the combination of T3 hinders strength on any of your workouts? Or are you just burning out from higher rep counts? That sucks about your chest bro, I hope you don't injure it for real...
 
UnrealMachine said:
competing: easier said than done though

anyway i have updates

Sunday: glorious cheatmeal day, ate tons of snack food

Monday: started halodrol at 75mg. Still on T3 around 30mcg
weight was up 4 pounds to 236 from all that food on sunday. Ran into a major problem with my workout, did my usual 225*10 on incline as my first working set and it really felt like it ripped up my left outer pec. Same problem i've run into before on last cycle although it wasn't so bad last time, it just feels really sore like it'll heal up just fine. But i basically stopped the chest workout there as everything else I tried had a minor twinge of pain so I just decided its not worth it to push.
So next chest day it's going to be lighter work and very careful on my chest. STupid chest

today: tuesday, weight is still up at 235.
back workout
bent over rows: 225*20, 245*15, 265*8 (these burned out so fast, ran out of juice on last set)
lat pulldowns (parallel palms): 260*8, 280*8, 300*8, 300*8 (felt good still like these)
t-bar row machine: 135*15, 135*12 (so burned out with that type of pull)
that was basically it, i tried to do iso rows but my partner forgot straps so i couldn't grip the bar properly

also to note, Monday I felt like crap after my workout, dunno why.
Today felt pretty meh in the gym, dunno why again, last few mornings been more humid in the gym where I feel like i got hot/sweaty too fast and it's really bad for my endurance, i absolutely hate that warm/muggy feeling in the gym. Gross gross gross.


Anyway not entirely satisfied with the feel i've had in the gym last few days and not being able to bench really anymore so **** it... i am on track to take my recomp on Halodrol and T3 into high gear... at this point I just want to start looking good in the mirror so that's what I'm going for.


Also if any of you guys are familiar with Needto brand supplements, i have accepted a position as product rep on AM since they are becoming sponsors here. They make popular PHs like Beastdrol and Epi-Strong so i will be repping their products here pretty soon.
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Hey unreal, how you liking the t3??

I'm up to 225mg a day, and still not feeling much lol.
 
hungryH said:
Hey unreal, how you liking the t3??

I'm up to 225mg a day, and still not feeling much lol.
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sounds like your T3 is fake man

at 30mcg my t3 isn't doing much, i was just getting the dose started early, i'll slowly be ramping it up as my Halodrol starts to build up.

if i had to guess, i'd say my lower endurance in the gym has been due to the hot muggy mornings here, like I said i've been sweating up a storm, feeling too hot during the workouts.

Oh and my stomach has been feeling ****ty the last few days but particularly bad yesterday, sometimes it feels gross during my workouts and that holds me back as well
 
UnrealMachine said:
sounds like your T3 is fake man

at 30mcg my t3 isn't doing much, i was just getting the dose started early, i'll slowly be ramping it up as my Halodrol starts to build up.

if i had to guess, i'd say my lower endurance in the gym has been due to the hot muggy mornings here, like I said i've been sweating up a storm, feeling too hot during the workouts.

Oh and my stomach has been feeling ****ty the last few days but particularly bad yesterday, sometimes it feels gross during my workouts and that holds me back as well
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Its not fake. The only effects I am feeling are extra hunger and less endurance....Weight is dropping at a faster rate also, but it's def not as strong as I expected. Am also running 240mg of clen(on m1t and test prop too)
 
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hungryH said:
Its not fake. The only effects I am feeling are extra hunger and less endurance....Weight is dropping at a faster rate also, but it's def not as strong as I expected. Am also running 240mg of clen(on m1t and test prop too)
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your stacking M1t,test,clen,and t3 all together? holy sh*t.
 
hungryH said:
Its not fake. The only effects I am feeling are extra hunger and less endurance....Weight is dropping at a faster rate also, but it's def not as strong as I expected. Am also running 240mg of clen(on m1t and test prop too)
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how do you know it's not fake when you're also on 240mcg of clen? You are on 240mcg of clen and 225mcg of T3 and you're "not feeling much" well if you think your clen and T3 are perfectly legit then good for you.
 
hungryH said:
Its not fake. The only effects I am feeling are extra hunger and less endurance....Weight is dropping at a faster rate also, but it's def not as strong as I expected. Am also running 240mg of clen(on m1t and test prop too)
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UnrealMachine said:
how do you know it's not fake when you're also on 240mcg of clen? You are on 240mcg of clen and 225mcg of T3 and you're "not feeling much" well if you think your clen and T3 are perfectly legit then good for you.
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heres your sign!!!
 
hungryH said:
Its not fake. The only effects I am feeling are extra hunger and less endurance....Weight is dropping at a faster rate also, but it's def not as strong as I expected. Am also running 240mg of clen(on m1t and test prop too)
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lol! 240mcg of clen per day? you do realize that clen has a half life of like 36hours so...by like one week in you'd have like 300+mcg ( too lazy to do the math but its up there) in your system.


if it was real you wouldnt be able to sleep

let alone all the other stuff you're on!
 
soontobbeast said:
lol! 240mcg of clen per day? you do realize that clen has a half life of like 36hours so...by like one week in you'd have like 300+mcg ( too lazy to do the math but its up there) in your system.


if it was real you wouldnt be able to sleep

let alone all the other stuff you're on!
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no kidding.....his $hit is bunk.
 
Hey unreal sorry to hear about your chest. Hopefully it won't hold you back too long from benching hard.

Congrats on the rep position. Just don't be like the D-Bag need2 reps over on elite fitness. Lol I can't wait to see how you feel about their line. Looks like I'll need to save for more stuff.

Oh and 240 mcg on clen is possible. I have used 200 or 220 or so for a week or so and slept fine. Next to no sides after the first day other than my heart feeling like I was light jogging when I was chilling. Lol
 
he is either lying or he is semi-retarded.

i just saw he also claims to be on 225mcg of t3. LOL


75mcg is as high as a lot of people will go. 150 is really pushing it..........and hes doing 225?.. AND doesnt feel anything. If he is taking anything its t4. and even then thats equiv to about 55mcg of t3. he would definitely feel something if it was real.

Not to mention he keeps putting MG instead of mcg. oh and he thinks eating 500 cals over maintenance will make you gain a pound of muscle .
 
soontobbeast said:
he is either lying or he is semi-retarded.

i just saw he also claims to be on 225mcg of t3. LOL


75mcg is as high as a lot of people will go. 150 is really pushing it..........and hes doing 225?.. AND doesnt feel anything. If he is taking anything its t4. and even then thats equiv to about 55mcg of t3. he would definitely feel something if it was real.

Not to mention he keeps putting MG instead of mcg. oh and he thinks eating 500 cals over maintenance will make you gain a pound of muscle .
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:gay: :pat: :smileeek: :dot:
 
Haha unreal sounds like that t3 is kicking in.. Dragging a$$ at the gym and strength loss unless I bump up my test dose and throw in another anabolic.. That's at 75-100mcg tho
 
bigzach1234 said:
Haha unreal sounds like that t3 is kicking in.. Dragging a$$ at the gym and strength loss unless I bump up my test dose and throw in another anabolic.. That's at 75-100mcg tho
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i'm only on 30mcg of T3. I'm dragging ass because I think i got sick for a day, and my strength is meh because being on test doesn't affect my strength
 
soontobbeast said:
lol! 240mcg of clen per day? you do realize that clen has a half life of like 36hours so...by like one week in you'd have like 300+mcg ( too lazy to do the math but its up there) in your system.


if it was real you wouldnt be able to sleep

let alone all the other stuff you're on!
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no. it is definitely legit, my body has just become accustomed to it. I really should have stuck to the 2 weeks on two weeks off, the ketotifen is crap. I was shaking like a damn vibrator the first week at 120mcg
 
hungryH said:
I love how everybody on online forums either calls you a retart or a troll when you run a cycle outside the norm
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Since we're talking about what we love, i love when people are made to see how nuts they sound, so they change their story around. :deal:

but, whatever dude! keep taking your bunk sh*t. its actually better that you do. you may be in danger if you were to actually be taking real stuff!

edit : I also love spaghetti


:shrug:
 
alright, back on topic

day 66!

234 pounds

day 3 on HD-2 @ 75mg
T3 @ 30mcg
Test @ 500mg, masteron at almost 400mg

cardio/ab day

diet is tightening up... trying to get more exercise/work in later in the day to keep my metabolism going strong. Getting ready to start ramping the T3 up. Waiting on Halodrol.

Testosterone has been weird, a few days after I bumped it up to 500 i got some kind of libido spike, then back down to normal. What's even more interesting is the lack of estrogen i'm now experiencing. I've dosed letro perhaps once in the last 10 days or so... Usually I am doing this 3x a week to keep back the puffy nips but it just seems like the estrogenic effects have mostly vanished. Where is my testosterone at, and why isn't it aromatizing... I am so confused by it all. It's hard to believe i'm on it at all right now, if i didn't get bloodwork done, i would be doubting the authenticity of my test (again).
 
UnrealMachine said:
competing: easier said than done though

anyway i have updates

Sunday: glorious cheatmeal day, ate tons of snack food

Monday: started halodrol at 75mg. Still on T3 around 30mcg
weight was up 4 pounds to 236 from all that food on sunday. Ran into a major problem with my workout, did my usual 225*10 on incline as my first working set and it really felt like it ripped up my left outer pec. Same problem i've run into before on last cycle although it wasn't so bad last time, it just feels really sore like it'll heal up just fine. But i basically stopped the chest workout there as everything else I tried had a minor twinge of pain so I just decided its not worth it to push.
So next chest day it's going to be lighter work and very careful on my chest. STupid chest

today: tuesday, weight is still up at 235.
back workout
bent over rows: 225*20, 245*15, 265*8 (these burned out so fast, ran out of juice on last set)
lat pulldowns (parallel palms): 260*8, 280*8, 300*8, 300*8 (felt good still like these)
t-bar row machine: 135*15, 135*12 (so burned out with that type of pull)
that was basically it, i tried to do iso rows but my partner forgot straps so i couldn't grip the bar properly

also to note, Monday I felt like crap after my workout, dunno why.
Today felt pretty meh in the gym, dunno why again, last few mornings been more humid in the gym where I feel like i got hot/sweaty too fast and it's really bad for my endurance, i absolutely hate that warm/muggy feeling in the gym. Gross gross gross.


Anyway not entirely satisfied with the feel i've had in the gym last few days and not being able to bench really anymore so **** it... i am on track to take my recomp on Halodrol and T3 into high gear... at this point I just want to start looking good in the mirror so that's what I'm going for.


Also if any of you guys are familiar with Needto brnd supplements, i have accepted a position as product rep on AM since they are becoming sponsors here. They make popular PHs like Beastdrol and Epi-Strong so i will be repping their products here pretty soon.
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Whore lol jk I want there epi for cut in spring with winnie or halodrol with winnie
 
Jasen said:
Whore lol jk I want there epi for cut in spring with winnie or halodrol with winnie
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hmm to quote the movie Beerfest "We are all whores in some way" but anyway their Epi-Strong is 15mg a pill which is a good thing for you jasen you'll only need like 4 a day :)
 
soontobbeast said:
Since we're talking about what we love, i love when people are made to see how nuts they sound, so they change their story around. :deal:

but, whatever dude! keep taking your bunk sh*t. its actually better that you do. you may be in danger if you were to actually be taking real stuff!

edit : I also love spaghetti


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I never changed my story around. Please explain to me what you are talking about.

I have refrained from insulting anybody on these forums, because that never leads to a positive outcome, but you sir are a ****ing moron.
 
UnrealMachine said:
how do you know it's not fake when you're also on 240mcg of clen? You are on 240mcg of clen and 225mcg of T3 and you're "not feeling much" well if you think your clen and T3 are perfectly legit then good for you.
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Because I have used the same brand from the same supplier(they are in blister packets) for years. I have just never run extreme doses like this, I would usually ramp up to 75-100mcg, and then down again.
 
UnrealMachine said:
alright, back on topic

day 66!

234 pounds

day 3 on HD-2 @ 75mg
T3 @ 30mcg
Test @ 500mg, masteron at almost 400mg

cardio/ab day

diet is tightening up... trying to get more exercise/work in later in the day to keep my metabolism going strong. Getting ready to start ramping the T3 up. Waiting on Halodrol.

Testosterone has been weird, a few days after I bumped it up to 500 i got some kind of libido spike, then back down to normal. What's even more interesting is the lack of estrogen i'm now experiencing. I've dosed letro perhaps once in the last 10 days or so... Usually I am doing this 3x a week to keep back the puffy nips but it just seems like the estrogenic effects have mostly vanished. Where is my testosterone at, and why isn't it aromatizing... I am so confused by it all. It's hard to believe i'm on it at all right now, if i didn't get bloodwork done, i would be doubting the authenticity of my test (again).
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Could be due to halodrol
 
Lets drop the bs and get back on with the log gentlemen. Start your own damn thread to argue on.... Sh1t!!
 
UnrealMachine said:
hmm to quote the movie Beerfest "We are all whores in some way" but anyway their Epi-Strong is 15mg a pill which is a good thing for you jasen you'll only need like 4 a day :)
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Cmon we r talkin about jas here........ 80epi, 60winne
 
If I do halo it WILL be 125_150
 
Fuk pain I like it. Results is all I care about
 
Jasen said:
If I do halo it WILL be 125_150
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**** that dose its too lil, my 5'7" 175 buddy just ran hdrol 75/100/100/125/150/150 got himself 14lbs and 2%bf off. Jasen should see 100/150/175/175/200/200, just remember to drink plenty of acidic juices, seems that sum people notice an acid reflux like side with hdrol. drinking the acidic drinks will premote an alkiline stomache.
 
day 67

234 pounds

shoulders
iso shoulder press: 90*10, 180*15, 230*8, 200*12, 180*11 (ow fail)
upright rows: 135*15, 135*15, 135*12
dumbell lateral raises: 3sets
dumbell front raises: 3 sets
dumbell rear raises: 3 sets

didn't keep track of the 9 sets of dumbell raises at the end but i just tried to go crazy on them, went a little lighter than usual, mostly 30-40 pound dumbells and mostly around 15-20 reps. My shoulders were aching and burning from these, very good.

too much pump

happy that my weight is holding at 234 that's pretty cool considering i've dropped some cals, probably 3400-3500 calories now, taken out some carbs, a little bit of fat. New protein count for everyday is more like 350-360 rather than 385 or so.

I'm ramping T3 up to 50mcg now
 
I'm not seeing any numbers in red again Unreal haha... gotta love SD... gives you red numbers every damn workout.

Excited for the final pics. It's not often I get to see before and afters of a well planned recomp. This will be good.

Eh... Jack3d is whack... I love the stuff. Good call.
 
my #s are blue if anything. I have lost strength on all pressing motions since coming off orals and even some back strength too, also lost endurance throughout the workout as my muscles ability to recoop energy is just not there though the Jack3d helps in its own way but its not the same. Only thing that's actually gone up during the injectable only portion of this cycle is a few arm exercises but that came to a halt over the last couple weeks. Just dont make gains on test, lol...

I am excited for this phase as well. I am hoping this halodrol starts to take effect and contribute to this cycle.
 
UnrealMachine said:
my #s are blue if anything. I have lost strength on all pressing motions since coming off orals and even some back strength too, also lost endurance throughout the workout as my muscles ability to recoop energy is just not there though the Jack3d helps in its own way but its not the same. Only thing that's actually gone up during the injectable only portion of this cycle is a few arm exercises but that came to a halt over the last couple weeks. Just dont make gains on test, lol...

I am excited for this phase as well. I am hoping this halodrol starts to take effect and contribute to this cycle.
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I'm sure you've already answered this, but how much test are you doing weekly? I'm just curious.
 
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