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Crazy, What type of dosing scheme do you utilize with Recomp to avoid fat gain from one serious cheat meal... I havent used Recomp, so want to know the basics of it.
it really depends on the meal.

if its just 1 cheat meal but exceeds 1100 calories then i add a 3rd cap and its mid meal

For me personally 2 caps is good for about 1100 calories.

if you want to air on the safe side, then 2 caps pre meal and one midmeal.
 
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Today i used LG Slin and really this product is very under-rated with 15 min and only 2 caps i start hypo-feeling eat 1 cup of rice and BAM damn i feel sleepy
15 min later start with tremendous carbs cravings and hungry but i drop down some BCAA and is ok wow i will try with one twice a day this stuff is strong!!!

Congrats LG Sciences
 
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Today i used LG Slin and really this product is very under-rated with 15 min and only 2 caps i start hypo-feeling eat 1 cup of rice and BAM damn i feel sleepy
15 min later start with tremendous carbs cravings and hungry but i drop down some BCAA and is ok wow i will try with one twice a day this stuff is strong!!!

Congrats LG Sciences
i have a bottle of SLIN at home, doesnt do it for me so i just kept my unopened bottle in hopes of someone wanting it lol.

The only thing from LG that i like is their BCAA+EAAs, and IGH1 (havent tried ghenerate), but i used their m1d, and was severly unimpressed, infact, i got more from the formadrol.

im glad you found something you like.
 
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i have a bottle of SLIN at home, doesnt do it for me so i just kept my unopened bottle in hopes of someone wanting it lol.

The only thing from LG that i like is their BCAA+EAAs, and IGH1 (havent tried ghenerate), but i used their m1d, and was severly unimpressed, infact, i got more from the formadrol.

im glad you found something you like.
one new bottle sounds good!
 
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Omega-3 and omega-6 enhance the body’s ability to transport
glucose from our blood to our cells via an “insulin responsive
transporter” called GLUT4; they do this by optimizing the fluidity
of cell membranes.

so i can take GDA`s Stacked with Omega`s???
 
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Salacia oblonga herb contains a-Glucosidase inhibitors: Salacinol and Kotalanol 9, these two inhibitors help in controlling glucose levels in the body. This herb has also been found to assist in lowering excessive weight problems.


here the Thesis: https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/6480/1/thesis2.pdf
that can be said for the SALACIA species, from my research Oblonga is good, but hard to standardize, however Reticulata is easier to standardize extracts for.

but theres also MANGIFERIN in Salacia species which increases Glut4.

gotcha covered broski
 
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that can be said for the SALACIA species, from my research Oblonga is good, but hard to standardize, however Reticulata is easier to standardize extracts for.

but theres also MANGIFERIN in Salacia species which increases Glut4.

gotcha covered broski
Recompadrol is the next for my stash.

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i have some banaba leaf extract standardised to 2percent corsolic acid plus 150mg of alpha lipoic acid.How would you use that -before or with a meal?
 

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I ordered some divanex and recompadrol yesterday. I'm thinking of tracking my BS with a meter after various meals both with and without the recompadrol as I'm curious. I'll throw in some NA-RALA for good measure.

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I ordered some divanex and recompadrol yesterday. I'm thinking of tracking my BS with a meter after various meals both with and without the recompadrol as I'm curious. I'll throw in some NA-RALA for good measure.

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Please do so. Recompadrol isnt something I have tested with a glucose meter, so want to see some real numbers on it.
 
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that can be said for the SALACIA species, from my research Oblonga is good, but hard to standardize, however Reticulata is easier to standardize extracts for.

but theres also MANGIFERIN in Salacia species which increases Glut4.

gotcha covered broski
Salacia Oblonga is also a decently potent PPAR agonist.
 

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I ordered some divanex and recompadrol yesterday. I'm thinking of tracking my BS with a meter after various meals both with and without the recompadrol as I'm curious. I'll throw in some NA-RALA for good measure.

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This sounds great, let us know your blood sugar results. Do you purchase na-r-ala in bulk form from Nutra Planet?
 

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i have a bottle of SLIN at home, doesnt do it for me so i just kept my unopened bottle in hopes of someone wanting it lol.

The only thing from LG that i like is their BCAA+EAAs, and IGH1 (havent tried ghenerate), but i used their m1d, and was severly unimpressed, infact, i got more from the formadrol.

im glad you found something you like.
I have been curious about ASGT, because of the ingredient blend... but as odd as it might sound, the reason I HAVEN'T purchased it, is because the price is SO low; makes me doubt the complete potency and dosages of every compound on the label. BCAA + EAA looks solid, but I usually just buy bulk from Supplement Direct, Nutra Planet, or Bulk Nutrition. Do you have any thoughts on ASGT? Thanks a lot, and hopefully we can see some blood tests on Recompadrol so we can see the proof in the pudding - although its obviously a great product.
 

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to make it easier, 1 cap per 100 carbs.
I have been dosing @ 2 caps per 60g of carbohydrates - because I have come to find after years of self experimenting, that I am irrefutably carb sensitive to the 10th degree, haha! DO you feel as though I should still follow your suggestion of 1 cap/100g carbohydrates? I usually never exceed 60g of carbs (breakfast) aside from Post Workout (but post workout GDA usage is another can of worms I just posted about in my Summer Recomp thread if you have time to check it out). Thanks :)
 

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it really depends on the meal.

if its just 1 cheat meal but exceeds 1100 calories then i add a 3rd cap and its mid meal

For me personally 2 caps is good for about 1100 calories.

if you want to air on the safe side, then 2 caps pre meal and one midmeal.
What about also supplementing with additional HCA prior to a cheat meal (I have been doing 2 teaspoons 2x/day)? I don't foresee myself having any gluttonous food fests until the end of September when I venture out to Vegas for the Olympia - but I might succumb during the next two months, who knows.

Should HCA also always be taken with insulin, and what is the optimal timing/dosage if taken before breakfast with 10iu, or post workout 10iu?
 
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I have been dosing @ 2 caps per 60g of carbohydrates - because I have come to find after years of self experimenting, that I am irrefutably carb sensitive to the 10th degree, haha! DO you feel as though I should still follow your suggestion of 1 cap/100g carbohydrates? I usually never exceed 60g of carbs (breakfast) aside from Post Workout (but post workout GDA usage is another can of worms I just posted about in my Summer Recomp thread if you have time to check it out). Thanks :)
Thats really something you caqn determine, in terms of Controlling BG, ive seen 1 cap ok for 100 carbs, and some one recently did glucose reading with 3 caps and 100 carbs. at this point i can honestly say it depends on your degree of insulin resistance (whether noticable or not)

What about also supplementing with additional HCA prior to a cheat meal (I have been doing 2 teaspoons 2x/day)? I don't foresee myself having any gluttonous food fests until the end of September when I venture out to Vegas for the Olympia - but I might succumb during the next two months, who knows.

Should HCA also always be taken with insulin, and what is the optimal timing/dosage if taken before breakfast with 10iu, or post workout 10iu?
HCA should most DEFINETLY be taken with HCA to off set a rise in acetyl co a formation leading to fatty acid synthesis!

if your using 10iu of slin2x a day i would recommend 2g per shot. but i havent used them together do i cant be 100% on that.
 

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Na-R-ALA is one those, that is sodium attached to the R-ALA compound and stabilizes the R-ALA at high temperatures.

Then there is K-R-ALA, or Potassium-R-Lipoate. That is a potassium salt attached to the R-ALA compound.

Theoretically the two salts are only for stabilization and the R-ALA molecule does all the good work, but anecdotally they do work differently from each other. The potassium salt may keep it more stable through the gut possibly, but it seems to have a more dramatic effect than Na-R-ALA (This is speaking from Adams, not anyone else).

Sodium-R-Lipoate is a GREAT product, no doubt, but gun to my head and having to choose I would go with K-R-ALA any time of the day, and stack it with a few things and make your own GlucoPhase XR, and you have a spectacular product.
Have any human studies ever been done showing the differences or superioritty between k-r-ala and na-r-ala? For some reason, bulk r-ala can't be found online - I have always liked regular r-ala. Thanks :)
 
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i have some banaba leaf extract standardised to 2percent corsolic acid plus 150mg of alpha lipoic acid.How would you use that -before or with a meal?
whats the meal consist of.. and i would do 300-500mg banaba and 150-300mg ALA for about 100-120 carbs.
 
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man, if I ever become a streptozotocin-induced diabetic rat, i'm jumping on chitosan ;)
No crap! I want to be a rat! You look at those things funny and they seem to get huge! lol

Let's start a new list...things that don't work on rats....it will be smaller!
 

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Thats really something you caqn determine, in terms of Controlling BG, ive seen 1 cap ok for 100 carbs, and some one recently did glucose reading with 3 caps and 100 carbs. at this point i can honestly say it depends on your degree of insulin resistance (whether noticable or not)



HCA should most DEFINETLY be taken with HCA to off set a rise in acetyl co a formation leading to fatty acid synthesis!

if your using 10iu of slin2x a day i would recommend 2g per shot. but i havent used them together do i cant be 100% on that.
I am sure you meant HCA should be taking with insulin above. So you believe even directly after a workout, to take 1-2 teaspoons of HCA before doing the 30g stomach pinch-and-jab? What is the absolute BEST method of administration with HCA? Morning, post-workout, and prior to bed (Humulin-R has a 2 hour peak activity and a four hour duration of action)?

Also, on your last paragraph above, are you saying to take 200g of carbohydrates 2x/day with Recompadrol? How many RCD caps and how much HCA? Thanks a lot... I'll be hitting you up if my promotion goes through for more HCA.
 

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I have been curious about ASGT, because of the ingredient blend... but as odd as it might sound, the reason I HAVEN'T purchased it, is because the price is SO low; makes me doubt the complete potency and dosages of every compound on the label. BCAA + EAA looks solid, but I usually just buy bulk from Supplement Direct, Nutra Planet, or Bulk Nutrition. Do you have any thoughts on ASGT? Thanks a lot, and hopefully we can see some blood tests on Recompadrol so we can see the proof in the pudding - although its obviously a great product.
^ Bump :)

What about also supplementing with additional HCA prior to a cheat meal (and what is the maximum amount to take, in an attempt to offset adipogenesis)? I have been doing 2 teaspoons 2x/day. I don't foresee myself having any gluttonous food fests until the end of September when I venture out to Vegas for the Olympia - but I might succumb during the next two months, who knows.
^ Bump :)
 
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I am sure you meant HCA should be taking with insulin above. So you believe even directly after a workout, to take 1-2 teaspoons of HCA before doing the 30g stomach pinch-and-jab? What is the absolute BEST method of administration with HCA? Morning, post-workout, and prior to bed (Humulin-R has a 2 hour peak activity and a four hour duration of action)?

Also, on your last paragraph above, are you saying to take 200g of carbohydrates 2x/day with Recompadrol? How many RCD caps and how much HCA? Thanks a lot... I'll be hitting you up if my promotion goes through for more HCA.
yes 2g of the GC pwder mking it 1g HCA with you 10iu shot of slin.

i like taking it through out the day in a gallon jug of water personally.

use 2 caps Rdrol (may not need that much insulin with the rdrol) and 750mg of the powder. morning (with you Slin shot) and post workout (with your slin shot). and you should be set!
 

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yes 2g of the GC pwder mking it 1g HCA with you 10iu shot of slin.

i like taking it through out the day in a gallon jug of water personally.

use 2 caps Rdrol (may not need that much insulin with the rdrol) and 750mg of the powder. morning (with you Slin shot) and post workout (with your slin shot). and you should be set!
AHHHH, I see... 2g of the Garcinia Cambogia powder, which at 50% HCA would equate to 1g active compound. I understand now, thank you!

I think I will lower my insulin from 10iu to 8iu indefinitely now, because I have been getting some bloat from it I believe, and recently swore off GDAs post workout since I believe they would be better utilized with my post-post workout meal. So you truly think GDAs serve a great cause when being used directly post workout (AND post-post perhaps)?
 
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AHHHH, I see... 2g of the Garcinia Cambogia powder, which at 50% HCA would equate to 1g active compound. I understand now, thank you!

I think I will lower my insulin from 10iu to 8iu indefinitely now, because I have been getting some bloat from it I believe, and recently swore off GDAs post workout since I believe they would be better utilized with my post-post workout meal. So you truly think GDAs serve a great cause when being used directly post workout (AND post-post perhaps)?
absofreakin lutely you downregulate the adipogenicy even more when using GDAs due to its effects on the PPARy.

and itll cut insulin peaks and keep you lean.
 
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absofreakin lutely you downregulate the adipogenicy even more when using GDAs due to its effects on the PPARy.

and itll cut insulin peaks and keep you lean.
You must spread some reputation around before giving it to crazyfool405 again
 
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R-Lipoic Acid —Improves Insulin Sensitivity and Much More

This preferred, natural form of the antioxidant lipoic acid is much more effective than the synthetic form of lipoic acid for improving glucose metabolism. Lipoic acid has been shown to lower glucose levels by 10 to 30 percent and improve insulin function.10 Lipoic acid also has been used to positively prevent and treat diabetic nerve disease and reduce the incidence of cataracts in laboratory animals.11 Lipoic acid is also believed to reverse some of the fundamental signs of aging, according to a recently published animal study in which old rats that were given lipoic acid supplements had the same energy levels as young rats.12

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Studies confirm that tea catechins—potent antioxidants—are effective in suppressing increases of glucose and insulin concentrations in the blood. Since blood sugar tends to increase with age, this effect is an extremely important anti-aging benefit.13 Another study indicates that one of the specific catchins, epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg), lowers appetite, body weight, blood sugar, and insulin levels.14

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Research suggests that chromium picolinate may help those with diabetes II and hypoglycemia.19 According to a study by U.S. Department of Agriculture researcher John Anderson, there is strong evidence that chromium picolinate may help to normalize glucose and insulin levels in diabetics. In this study, chromium was tested in 180 people in China with Type II (adult onset) diabetes. The scientists found that higher doses of chromium helped normalize glucose and insulin levels in the participants. "We've been doing chromium studies for 20 years and never saw anything this spectacular," said Anderson. "If you take people in the general population with slightly elevated blood sugar and give them chromium supplements, you'll see a drop in blood sugar in 80 to 90 percent of them." 20

Salacia Reticulata—Supports Healthy Blood Lipids

This herb has been traditionally used in Indian medicine to treat diabetes. It has potent antioxidant properties, 21, and triglyceride- and LDL cholesterol-lowering effects that aid in weight loss. Salacia contains mangiferin, which enhances the body's sensitivity to insulin, and also contains inhibitors of sugar digestion and absorption.22

Banaba—Effective in Supporting Healthy Body Weight

Banaba is a botanical extract that comes from the leaves of banaba trees and is traditionally used in the Philippines as an herbal medicine for diabetes. Corosolic acid, a triterpenoid in the leaves, acts as a glucose transport stimulator. It also appears to have strong antioxidant properties. Animal studies have shown it to be effective both for treating diabetes and obesity.23

Momordica—A Powerful Pancreas Protector
Also called bitter gourd or bitter melon, Momordica is used as a vegetable in India. Its extract improves glucose metabolism, protects the pancreas, slows carbohydrate absorption, and decreases gluconeogenesis, which is the production of glucose in the liver from other foodstuffs. It has also been shown to improve insulin resistance 24; protect and regenerate insulin-producing pancreas cells 25; and lower both blood lipids and glucose.26

Coccinia—Supports Normal Glucose Oxidation
Also called Ivy gourd, this Indian herb is related to bitter gourd and is used for similar purposes as Momordica. It decreases the liver's own production of blood sugar, and increases glucose oxidation in the liver.27
 

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i read the link.Talk about exercising caution when using these natural products seems to be the theme that runs through all the descriptions.

Having read it , it raises the question whether products like glycobol, AP , pSLIN should be used at all on the grounds that too little is known on how they react on a healthy person which no diabetic issues. or indeed on the longterm use of someone who is diabetic
 
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i read the link.Talk about exercising caution when using these natural products seems to be the theme that runs through all the descriptions.

Having read it , it raises the question whether products like glycobol, AP , pSLIN should be used at all on the grounds that too little is known on how they react on a healthy person which no diabetic issues. or indeed on the longterm use of someone who is diabetic

well personally i used AP, P-slin and SLIN by LG Sciences

AP-? for me not work too good put me on weigh and ever run to the bathroom every time i took
P-slin- A+ wow this stuff works like a champ
LG SLIN- A+ very impressed with this stuff
R-ALA- A+ damn it too good to be true!
Recompadrol soon!
 
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i read the link.Talk about exercising caution when using these natural products seems to be the theme that runs through all the descriptions.

Having read it , it raises the question whether products like glycobol, AP , pSLIN should be used at all on the grounds that too little is known on how they react on a healthy person which no diabetic issues. or indeed on the longterm use of someone who is diabetic
Considering the majority of them have been used for hundreds/thousands of years, I would say you are being overly cautious.

Caution when using herbals (mostly due to unknown interactions) is a standard disclaimer/warning.
 
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i read the link.Talk about exercising caution when using these natural products seems to be the theme that runs through all the descriptions.

Having read it , it raises the question whether products like glycobol, AP , pSLIN should be used at all on the grounds that too little is known on how they react on a healthy person which no diabetic issues. or indeed on the longterm use of someone who is diabetic
It seems more people use caution with those products than PHs and oral steroids.
 

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