The Best Insulin Mimicker?

[DAdams91982]

If you have a good source to purchase from that would be helpful for everyone to know and if you have a dosing protocol that works for you, again, helpful for everyone.:dunno:

A source is something I wish I had... haven't searched in awhile.

A good dose is anywhere from 250mgs, to 300. I leaned toward the 300 as that seemed my sweet spot.

 

[Sub7]

if this exact version of ALA is unavailable, what is the closest relative -chemically speaking- we can get from nutra or other common retailers?

 

[oufinny]

if this exact version of ALA is unavailable, what is the closest relative -chemically speaking- we can get from nutra or other common retailers?

Na-R-ALA is available at NP and is reasonable from what I have seen price wise. I have never dabbled in these like Adams seems to have, might want to pose your question to him.

 

[DAdams91982]

Na-R-ALA is available at NP and is reasonable from what I have seen price wise. I have never dabbled in these like Adams seems to have, might want to pose your question to him.

Here is how ALA goes.

ALA degrades at a low temperature, the R isomer of ALA is the active one you want, not the S isomer. Well R-ALA is very heat sensitive and 70 degrees it become gummy and unusable to the body. There are a few different designers out there that stabilize the molecule.

Na-R-ALA is one those, that is sodium attached to the R-ALA compound and stabilizes the R-ALA at high temperatures.

Then there is K-R-ALA, or Potassium-R-Lipoate. That is a potassium salt attached to the R-ALA compound.

Theoretically the two salts are only for stabilization and the R-ALA molecule does all the good work, but anecdotally they do work differently from each other. The potassium salt may keep it more stable through the gut possibly, but it seems to have a more dramatic effect than Na-R-ALA (This is speaking from Adams, not anyone else).

Sodium-R-Lipoate is a GREAT product, no doubt, but gun to my head and having to choose I would go with K-R-ALA any time of the day, and stack it with a few things and make your own GlucoPhase XR, and you have a spectacular product.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Here is how ALA goes.

ALA degrades at a low temperature, the R isomer of ALA is the active one you want, not the S isomer. Well R-ALA is very heat sensitive and 70 degrees it become gummy and unusable to the body. There are a few different designers out there that stabilize the molecule.

Na-R-ALA is one those, that is sodium attached to the R-ALA compound and stabilizes the R-ALA at high temperatures.

Then there is K-R-ALA, or Potassium-R-Lipoate. That is a potassium salt attached to the R-ALA compound.

Theoretically the two salts are only for stabilization and the R-ALA molecule does all the good work, but anecdotally they do work differently from each other. The potassium salt may keep it more stable through the gut possibly, but it seems to have a more dramatic effect than Na-R-ALA (This is speaking from Adams, not anyone else).

Sodium-R-Lipoate is a GREAT product, no doubt, but gun to my head and having to choose I would go with K-R-ALA any time of the day, and stack it with a few things and make your own GlucoPhase XR, and you have a spectacular product.

Very good info.

 

[Mixelflick]

4 hydroxy l isoleucine
R-ALA
D-pinitol
Cinnamon extract

In that order, for me at least. Hard to beat 4HISO IMO..

 

[IvyLeaguePump]

Has anyone tried these products as a post work out? I know a guy who works out after waking up on an empty stomach, takes P-slin immediately after work out, then has a protein shake about 15 minutes later with oats (80 grams of carbs worth).

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

Has anyone tried these products as a post work out? I know a guy who works out after waking up on an empty stomach, takes P-slin immediately after work out, then has a protein shake about 15 minutes later with oats (80 grams of carbs worth).

1 anabolic pump before my post lift meal helps a lot. Real intense lifts ill hit up Pslin after my last set then hit up a big post workout shake made with oats, peanut butter, milk, banana, and whey.

 

[Sub7]

I guess a lot of people have seen an effect on blood sugar levels, feel pumps from these compounds and so on... But are users seeing significant body composition changes from these products? After a period of consistent use, are guys getting leaner, or retaining more muscle while cutting or bulking up while putting on less fat than you would without using these compounds?

I respect all the input here but there is a difference between "feeling" these products and really seeing body composition changes as a result of their use.

 

[Sub7]

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any body comp changes with these products?

 

[corsaking]

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any body comp changes with these products?

SILENCE-no further responses.i think that says it all

 

[DAdams91982]

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any body comp changes with these products?

I am not on usually during the weekend.

Do some research on Glucophase XR, you will find all that you need.

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

SILENCE-no further responses.i think that says it all

Sorry i meant to reply but got carried away by more pressing matters.



To answer if they "actually work" i will respond by saying this.


The weights are getting heavier and the the reps go higher with my current powerlifting routine and this is while im training endurance 2-3 times a week.

My waist is still shrinking, my arms are becoming more vascular and they are gaining size. My chest seems to be growing and my back is widening while thickening.

I am eating more and more each day and i still have yet to gain a lb on the scale during my recomp. When i started i cycled between 2000 calories and 2400 calories. Now im at 2200-2600 calories a day. If the scale remains the same but by body is obviously changing in the course of a month then i would say yes the Anabolic Pump is working very well during my recomp.

I also bulked to 215 on Anabolic Pump the first time i use it.

On glycobol i was able to cut ~26lbs of pure fat while not losing any strength.


Now do i need a point on diet to do these things....yes...but do the supplements amplify the effects of a strict diet...HECK YES. Can i accomplish these goals without these supps...probably...it would just take a whole heck of a lot longer.

 

[MAxximal]

Recompadrol or Glycobol?

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

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any body comp changes with these products?

With Glycobol many have reported nice recomps and leaning out effects while not losing muscle on a cut.

 

[MAxximal]

New study discovers how Pycnogenol lowers blood glucose levels in type 2 diabetes

A new study to be published in an upcoming edition of the journal of Diabetes Research and Clinical Practice reveals that French maritime pine tree extract known as Pycnogenol® (pic-noj-en-all) delays the uptake of glucose from a meal 190 times more than prescription medications, preventing the typical high-glucose peak in the blood stream after a meal. The study revealed the pine bark is more potent for suppressing carbohydrate absorption in diabetes than synthetic prescription alpha-glucosidase inhibitors such as Precose®. (AKA Acarbose )

 

[corsaking]

New study discovers how Pycnogenol lowers blood glucose levels in type 2 diabetes

A new study to be published in an upcoming edition of the journal of Diabetes Research and Clinical Practice reveals that French maritime pine tree extract known as Pycnogenol® (pic-noj-en-all) delays the uptake of glucose from a meal 190 times more than prescription medications, preventing the typical high-glucose peak in the blood stream after a meal. The study revealed the pine bark is more potent for suppressing carbohydrate absorption in diabetes than synthetic prescription alpha-glucosidase inhibitors such as Precose®. (AKA Acarbose )

this article appeared as long ago as feb 2007 in http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/62607.php

 

[MAxximal]

Need2Slin
AP-tested
Glycobol
Recompadrol
Slin-Sane

I need to choose one

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Need2Slin
AP-tested
Glycobol
Recompadrol
Slin-Sane

I need to choose one

I would go with either the 2nd or 3rd listed only because I do not know much on the other products.

 

[MAxximal]

I would go with either the 2nd or 3rd listed only because I do not know much on the other products.

Glycobol has one compound like AP?

(Phellodendron)

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

Glycobol has one compound like AP?

(Phellodendron)

what's your goal bud?

 

[Sub7]

With Glycobol many have reported nice recomps and leaning out effects while not losing muscle on a cut.

thank you, but you represent the company that makes glycobol, right?
other opinions, from unaffiliated persons, would be welcome.
I am not against you posting in this thread, but without actual links to un-sponsored logs, manufacturers' claims don't carry any weight.

Thanks

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

thank you, but you represent the company that makes glycobol, right?
other opinions, from unaffiliated persons, would be welcome.
I am not against you posting in this thread, but without actual links to un-sponsored logs, manufacturers' claims don't carry any weight.

Thanks

That would be correct. BTW thank you for allowing me to post in a thread that your not the OP. There are plenty of comments on just about all these supps that are not sponsored use the search function.

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

thank you, but you represent the company that makes glycobol, right?
other opinions, from unaffiliated persons, would be welcome.
I am not against you posting in this thread, but without actual links to un-sponsored logs, manufacturers' claims don't carry any weight.

Thanks

I am not affliated with AI and not even close to be sponsored by anyone and i believe i have several times in this thread promoted glycobol. If you would like the link to my cutting log that i use glycobol i would be happy to post it.

I can understand ur skepticism in a rep promoting a product so i hope my testimony and plans to continue to use the product carry enough wait for u to at least research the product and its ingredients further.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

thank you, but you represent the company that makes glycobol, right?
other opinions, from unaffiliated persons, would be welcome.
I am not against you posting in this thread, but without actual links to un-sponsored logs, manufacturers' claims don't carry any weight.

Thanks

See my log in the sig below.

Im not affiliated...............




Yet:booty:

lol

 

[MAxximal]

what's your goal bud?

LOOSE FAT bud! but i noticed when re-feed of carbs for two days i feel more lean but the weigh is the same and i run to the bathroom and i had a soft stool
*this is only when i eat carbs and drop down AP*

 

[corsaking]

Hi

im currently on a re-comp diet without the use of any insulin mimikers. The idea is for 3 days the only carbs you have are fibrous -ie most veg (google will tell you which are fibrous carbs if in doubt still maintaining protein and good fats intake. During this 3 day phase do at least 30 -45 min aerobics daily.During this phase you will deplete glycogen stores and burn fat during your training.Fat will be used for energy.Once the 3 days is up you eat starchy carbs (again google if in doubt) to replenish glycogen . aerobics is optional during this phase. By restricting the period to 3 days on fibrous carbs you are not likely to tap into muscle for the provision of energy.Its estimated that 12 weeks is required before any results but personally i prefer this approach , than using a supplement with causes weight loss too quickly.

Just roll on summer -6 pack here i come

 

[Blutarski]

real insulin is available over the counter.

just sayin

Glimepiride (Amaryl) by script, Na-RALA OTC.

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

LOOSE FAT bud! but i noticed when re-feed of carbs for two days i feel more lean but the weigh is the same and i run to the bathroom and i had a soft stool
*this is only when i eat carbs and drop down AP*

Have you tried out glycobol? The only thing with glycobol is that ur stool will be soft but it will also be green...or at least mine was. I havent tried glycobol in caloric maintenance of above but if it worked during a cut it should work otherwise. But right now im using Anabolic Pump specifically to lose fat and gain muscle while at maintenance.


As long as u dont have diarrhea i dont think soft stool should be much of a concern.

Anyone think otherwise?

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Have you tried out glycobol? The only thing with glycobol is that ur stool will be soft but it will also be green...or at least mine was. I havent tried glycobol in caloric maintenance of above but if it worked during a cut it should work otherwise. But right now im using Anabolic Pump specifically to lose fat and gain muscle while at maintenance.


As long as u dont have diarrhea i dont think soft stool should be much of a concern.

Anyone think otherwise?

Soft stool is not a problem. The green stool is common with Glycobol. If it becomes diarrhea and last more than a couple of days that could be a problem and it should be stopped of dosage cut down.

 

[DAdams91982]

Soft stool is not a problem. The green stool is common with Glycobol. If it becomes diarrhea and last more than a couple of days that could be a problem and it should be stopped of dosage cut down.

Whew... couple days of diarrhea? Man, a few hours and I am crying like a little bitch!

 

[MAxximal]

Have you tried out glycobol? The only thing with glycobol is that ur stool will be soft but it will also be green...or at least mine was. I havent tried glycobol in caloric maintenance of above but if it worked during a cut it should work otherwise. But right now im using Anabolic Pump specifically to lose fat and gain muscle while at maintenance.


As long as u dont have diarrhea i dont think soft stool should be much of a concern.

Anyone think otherwise?

and why occur this?

 

[Kristofer68SS]

and why occur this?

Ingredient profile. There was an answer given, I will try to dig it up.

I think Dr. D maybe. I could be wrong.

Dosage, timing and nutrient intake manipulation cured my stomach issues of gylcobol. That and time.

**** is potent for sure.

 

[sanchezgreg18]

ive bought a few bottles of glycobol, AP, PSlin, Na-rala, LG SLIN, INsulean K, glucophase XR and other bulk stuff like yellow gold , na-rala, banaba. and what it comes down to is that what i have found is the most efffective combination is using banaba, berberine and HCA. now ive only tried a 2 week supply of recompadrol which was a beta version but it blew me away, vascularity and pump was sick after large prewo carb meal, endurance was up, and a definate leaning effect was noticed in the mirror and by others within only 2 weeks of use. The combination of all my favorite ingredients plus all the others in it and the one ingredient "aminoguanidine" that ive never been able to find in bulk make it IMO the best right now. I tried need2slin for 10 days and i noticed i was bloated the whole time i took it and didnt like that at all.

 

[MAxximal]

I found this is true?


Rac-ALA has poor solubility in stomach acid, and RLA polymerizes on contact in low pH environments. Therefore, RLA must first be stabilized as a salt, or an aqueous solution of the salt. The newest dosage form is a liquid-filled capsule with RLA and MCT (medium chain triglycerides). The MCT delivery system allows most of the RLA to bypass the harsh environment of the stomach and be delivered into the intestines-liver (entero-hepatic system). MCT's also compete with RLA for entero-hepatic transport systems, allowing higher levels of RLA to reach the plasma and tissues.

 

[DAdams91982]

ive bought a few bottles of glycobol, AP, PSlin, Na-rala, LG SLIN, INsulean K, glucophase XR and other bulk stuff like yellow gold , na-rala, banaba. and what it comes down to is that what i have found is the most efffective combination is using banaba, berberine and HCA. now ive only tried a 2 week supply of recompadrol which was a beta version but it blew me away, vascularity and pump was sick after large prewo carb meal, endurance was up, and a definate leaning effect was noticed in the mirror and by others within only 2 weeks of use. The combination of ingredients and the one ingredient "aminoguanidine" that ive never been able to find in bulk make it IMO the best right now. I tried need2slin for 10 days and i noticed i was bloated the whole time i took it and didnt like that at all.

You're 20... you were taking supps at 14/15? (Referring to GXR)

 

[DAdams91982]

I found this is true?


Rac-ALA has poor solubility in stomach acid, and RLA polymerizes on contact in low pH environments. Therefore, RLA must first be stabilized as a salt, or an aqueous solution of the salt. The newest dosage form is a liquid-filled capsule with RLA and MCT (medium chain triglycerides). The MCT delivery system allows most of the RLA to bypass the harsh environment of the stomach and be delivered into the intestines-liver (entero-hepatic system). MCT's also compete with RLA for entero-hepatic transport systems, allowing higher levels of RLA to reach the plasma and tissues.

I knew about heat polymerizing R-ALA, but not about PH problems. Can you point me in the direction where you found this?

 

[MAxximal]

I knew about heat polymerizing R-ALA, but not about PH problems. Can you point me in the direction where you found this?

here bud:http://rlipoic.net/

i wait for your input!

 

[DAdams91982]

here bud:http://rlipoic.net/

i wait for your input!

I do not know what to make of that claim. They do not reference that piece in their cited area. Not saying it is not true though.

 

[MAxximal]

I already use a form in my healthy stack


L-Carnitine L-Tartrate
L-Carnitine Fumerate
Acetyl L-Carnitine
Rhodiola Rosea Root ( 3% Rosavins )
Na R-Alpha Lipoic Acid (NaR-ALA)
Naringin
L-Arginine

 

[crazyfool405]

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[mdotmdot]

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[MAxximal]

Well maybe 15 caps left to finish AP after this i will try Glycobol then Recompadrol or maybe wait until PP Muscle Feeder release.......Hmmmmmmmm

 

[KarlaG]

LG Science Slin . . . .most under-rated, and one hell of a strong product

 

[MAxximal]

LG Science Slin . . . .most under-rated, and one hell of a strong product

Really?

 

[KarlaG]

Really?

yes really . . .And it's cheap!

I dont know whether LG push that product hard enough . . but the full 4 cap dose is strong . . you better have some carbs ready . . I never got the same hypo-feeling unless I dose 800mg PSlin

I just finished a run of Gycobol . .. it's ok, but not for the price. AP is the most versatile partioner . . you can take that before fasted cardio, or by the std recommendation.

I would recommend AP for cuts/recomps. . . and Slin for bulking (bulk Pslin is also good value)

just my 2c

 

[MAxximal]

yes really . . .And it's cheap!

I dont know whether LG push that product hard enough . . but the full 4 cap dose is strong . . you better have some carbs ready . . I never got the same hypo-feeling unless I dose 800mg PSlin

I just finished a run of Gycobol . .. it's ok, but not for the price. AP is the most versatile partioner . . you can take that before fasted cardio, or by the std recommendation.

I would recommend AP for cuts/recomps. . . and Slin for bulking (bulk Pslin is also good value)

just my 2c

Great!
uppy_dog_eyes:

 

[Kristofer68SS]

yes really . . .And it's cheap!

I dont know whether LG push that product hard enough . . but the full 4 cap dose is strong . . you better have some carbs ready . . I never got the same hypo-feeling unless I dose 800mg PSlin

I just finished a run of Gycobol . .. it's ok, but not for the price. AP is the most versatile partioner . . you can take that before fasted cardio, or by the std recommendation.

I would recommend AP for cuts/recomps. . . and Slin for bulking (bulk Pslin is also good value)

just my 2c

Slin didnt jive with me. Its strong for sure.

Glycobol was potent for me as well. I think 2 caps a day was the sweet spot.

AP never jived either. Pslin worked pretty good pre-workout.

I stated it earlier, my timing and carb intake has to be just right or i gets stomach issues.

 

[crazyfool405]

Slin didnt jive with me. Its strong for sure.

Glycobol was potent for me as well. I think 2 caps a day was the sweet spot.

AP never jived either. Pslin worked pretty good pre-workout.

I stated it earlier, my timing and carb intake has to be just right or i gets stomach issues.

i agree,

Slin didnt do much for me,

AP and gbol is great, pslin i used PWO
.

 

[andrew732]

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any body comp changes with these products?

YES I LOVE insulin mimickers!