I am not reinventing anything.
Reading your posts actually brings me physical pain.
you must live a very sheltered life.
I mean, I am no woman beater.
Have you looked at the product at all? PP lists the ingredients simply and plainly, including the precise amounts of each. It should be no mystery what this product can/will do for you if you looked up the ingredients and read anything about them.
Please point out for me where the original statement professed this? You're clearly fabricating what was actually written.
Not even that.Please point out for me where the original statement professed this? You're clearly fabricating what was actually written.
You say that you're stating "some very obvious truth?" Ok, let me guess, you're also a graduate of "Broscience University" as well?
Touche my friend.
Sorry, that didnt make sense...
SizeOn V2 is the product for you.
sov2 does look more in my price range.
What type of products would you like to see, T?
ok, i have been thinking about a supp that included all the versions of carnitine. everyone keeps asking which is best, why not give them a synergistic amount of them all. plcar/alcar/lclt along with omega's and coQ10 all in one?
To be 100% honest there is no way to deliever a good product cheap, like he hopes as the consumer we all went to get the best effect for the cheapest correct? But say to get the best effect you need better ingredients and better inredients cost more money therefore price rise. If you want to save money you use less efective ingredients therefore price goes down. Its not like there doing anything wrong with the price, us consumers demanded a product that works better then the rest, they delievered that but to each its own Better product = Higher price thats the way it USUALLY works. So i dont understand why people are complaining so much if you dont want to spend the cash dont but dont complain about it because bottomline is this price is set because the Ingredients,labor etc cost a certain amount and then as a business they need a profit so theres that. And from what i understand there profit margin isnt that great on it anyways so anylower and its risky for them.
Broscience??? You are the sup pusher not me. I am merely stating that your broscience of saying that you are hungry and this must mean increased protein synthesis (muscle growth) is not scientific at all. That is the furthest thing from science. If you had a BMI test done before and after you started taking premax then that would be closer to being scientific (however still not scientific). But to just say that you are hungrier since taking premax and this means increased protein synthesis is an incredibly optimistic assumption. And given that you work for the company that would benefit from such an optimistic assumption means that it should be taken with a grain of salt. And not just a little grain, one of those big grains that they use for margaritas.Please point out for me where the original statement professed this? You're clearly fabricating what was actually written.
You say that you're stating "some very obvious truth?" Ok, let me guess, you're also a graduate of "Broscience University" as well?
Lol - Really now; why don't you point out exactly where I personally stated any of that? How about pointing out where the original statement said any of that as well?
You demonstrate through your postings that you obviously haven't a clue as to how scientific theory/method is utilized. I'm sure the trail of red that follows your name is there for good reason; evinced more here as well with each successive posting.
:24:at: Ever heard of a "Theory" or a "Hypothesis" in science? Apparently not... I'm certain you had a few too many margaritas when trying to articulate a formidable post here. :trink26:
At least you admit this. Now we're getting somewhere...
Thanks for your bro-lytical assessment. It's been taken with "a grain of salt." :wave2:
I know what you mean, T. CoQ10 is fantastic with a myriad of benefits. I believe it's going to be included in our post-workout product in the near future.
I agree with your sentiment; quality often costs more for obvious reasons. I can understand how some find this a bit on the higher end of pricing though and not in their budget capacity; especially with the current economy. We're really looking to develop a balance in our product line; as well as deliver top quality ingredients. We're also very dedicated to providing the science and reference material that goes along with it. Our new website/forums has really expanded on the science aspect of sports supplementation.
the scientific method? You got to be kidding. Are you saying that you use the scietific method when designing your sups? You have to go beyond making a hypothesis bro lol. Thats just the very first step. You forgot all of the other steps in between hypothesis and law.
Well, he does not design the supps, that would be the owner, secondly, this amino acid is PROVEN, and does work. Everytime I use it, within 1-2 hours of training I get hungry. The only thing I will say is that it is not cost effective. In my opinion, GPLC on its own is very effective; stacks well with geranium.
no you are missing the point bro. Why would I pay $50 for this? There has to be some reason why your particular formula is so awesome.
SIMPLE, DO NOT BUY AND IGNORE:gotsearch
No, I'm really not. Your attempt to refute went up in flames, and now you're just grasping at straws trying to put it out. I'm more than willing to answer specific questions about the product.
Have you read all the posts saying it is worth it? Feel free to say you can't afford it, but thats like someone who can't afford a corvette saying they aren't worth it, having never driven one and not understanding the costs that go into manufacturing one. Funny thing, among the people who can afford it, they all say its worth it.
i been using alcar/lclt/coq10/omegas-this has been complimenting my test cyp very nicely, be nice to see a all in one supp-all neatly capped and ready to go.
Here is the thing T, it would be too expenisve to make, thus resulting in a very expenisve product, they need to make profit, reason why I buy certain stuff from Nutra, bulk manufacturer's, ask sponsor for raws.
Waxy maize hurts your stomach? That's funny cause I can't stomach dextrose or malto but waxy maize no problems. I don't do well with sugar at all and waxy seems to be the perfect carb for me. That and oats but oats are a bit heavy before a workout you know
Did you mean to say "You don't need any carbs in your pwo shake?"
I can afford lots of things. And the reason that is, is because I manage my money well. I don't rush out to buy things because they are new or flashy. That being said, comparing Premax to a corvette is not the best analogy. A corvetter goes 0-60 in some like 4 seconds (incredible performance/results). I would say that the equivalent to a vette would be products that put muscle on in slabs. Premax would be more like a paying corvette price for the performance of a 5.0 mustang. While the 5.0 still performs admirably, why would you buy it for the price of a vette when you can just buy a vette.
I take carbs 2 hours before training in the gym, especially when taking stims, and again all forms of synthetic carbs are POINTLESS, nothing beats whole food sources, I use my opinion from research and personal experience.Waxy maize hurts your stomach? That's funny cause I can't stomach dextrose or malto but waxy maize no problems. I don't do well with sugar at all and waxy seems to be the perfect carb for me. That and oats but oats are a bit heavy before a workout you know
I'm a huge fan of the Carnitine family. ALCAR, PLCAR. I think in any form that is a supplement that is worth your money. A top 5 on my list of supplements that actually work and are worth your money. Most dieticians will rave about L-carnitine or Alcar. More research needs to be done on PLCAR and GPLC even though they seem to be quite effective and have good reviews. I will definitely be trying GPLC but probably by itself. I think I felt improvements from beta alanine but taking it on a empty stomach for maximum benifets isn't cool. I don't like the tingles either. They irritate me.
Glad you like it Texas...she likes you too!:kiss:
I definetly agree that nothing beats whole food sources however it's not always a perfect day where you get in 2-3 meals before your workouts where your carb loaded enough to feel optimal to lift. You need something that's gonna get into your system fast so you don't have to wait those 2 hours after a meal to get to the gym. Something that's not gonna leave a brick in your stomach and so you can make it to the gym before it's too late and you don't feel like lifting at all. That's where I feel waxy maize is the only answer out there. Also if your looking for a real pump, a natural carb sourced pump that won't build tolerance this works great. But hey.. my opinion comes through research and personal opinion too but also if you can't stomach waxy maize well.. then it's not gonna work for you
Listen, there isn't anything else out there that compares to premax. It's a macro-supplement: it provides the macros you need to performs at 100%, along with a nice antioxidant and testosterone-support formula (carnitine); it provides these in the most effective, efficient forms of these macros possible in clinically proven dosages. It's quite unlike other pre-workout supplements which provide non-essential nutrients like arginine, or stims, or just carbs like Accelerade/Gatorade.
It was all good until your last paragraph.Listen, there isn't anything else out there that compares to premax. It's a macro-supplement: it provides the macros you need to performs at 100%, along with a nice antioxidant and testosterone-support formula (carnitine); it provides these in the most effective, efficient forms of these macros possible in clinically proven dosages. It's quite unlike other pre-workout supplements which provide non-essential nutrients like arginine, or stims, or just carbs like Accelerade/Gatorade.
If your goal is performance, be it a PR in deadlift, a world record in downhill skiing, or winning an MMA match, or practicing for any of those, PreMax will be your best friend.
My opinion? If you don't see the point of PreMax, your shouldn't bother using it. (In other words, if you're too dumb to get it, well, it ain't gonna help stupid anyway, so stay away).
I agree. You simple don't have the flexibility with realy solid food that you do with a synthetic carb (synthetic is actually not correct, how about 'processed', instead?). You can't eat 50gr carbs 30 minutes before entering the cage or starting the mt bike race; you'll puke, and lose. You can, however, dose 'processed' carbs, be it dextrose or PreMax, immediately before activity, or during. That can be the difference between 1st and 2nd place.I definetly agree that nothing beats whole food sources however it's not always a perfect day where you get in 2-3 meals before your workouts where your carb loaded enough to feel optimal to lift. You need something that's gonna get into your system fast so you don't have to wait those 2 hours after a meal to get to the gym. Something that's not gonna leave a brick in your stomach and so you can make it to the gym before it's too late and you don't feel like lifting at all. That's where I feel waxy maize is the only answer out there. Also if your looking for a real pump, a natural carb sourced pump that won't build tolerance this works great. But hey.. my opinion comes through research and personal opinion too but also if you can't stomach waxy maize well.. then it's not gonna work for you
I think synthetic carbs can be very useful when used properly but I can meet in the middle with you because I think what your saying is that if your pre-workout nutrition is good then these carbs are pointless which I can agree with to a extent.
That was mainly pointed at Beater, not everyone else. See, PreMax is more like 'nutrition' than 'supplementation'; it's near-perfect pre-event/pre-workout nutrition. And just like most people are too stupid to get their nutrition/diet right, ie they just don't get 'it'; so these same people will look at PreMax's nutritional profile, and totally miss the point, because they're looking for a magic 'supplement' shortcut. NoXplode is the number 1 selling supp because you FEEL it, not because it packs on mass. These NoXplode buyers will take a single dose of PreMax, and diss it: "b...b...but I didn't feel anything, so it sucks!".It was all good until your last paragraph.
IMO, 5 dollars a serving for anything but real test would be stupid.
I have been crunching numbers since the stuff came out.
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