Volcom's PRIME & T-911 Stack

Nice workout man! Sucks you had to hurt yourself like that. Prime is the shiz if you respond well to it.
 
You know you've taken a proper amount of time off stims when day one of being back on does this to you. I took one SX this morning and by the end of the day, I was still quite energetic.

Chest

Weighted Dips
BW + 45lbs x 10 reps
BW + 90lbs x 8 reps
BW + 90lbs x 6 reps
BW + 90lbs x 5 reps
BW + 70lbs x 8 reps
BW + 70lbs x 7 reps
BW + 70lbs x 6 reps
BW + 45lbs x 8 reps

Hammer Dips - Gironda Grip
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
220lbs x 6 reps
220lbs x 6 reps

Flat Bench
225lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
225lbs x 6 reps

Incline Hammer Press
140lbs x 10 reps
190lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 6 reps
240lbs x 5 reps

Machine, Decline Press
150lbs x 10 reps
160lbs x 8 reps
180lbs x 6 reps

Cable Flies x 4 sets

I'm kind of curious about comparing the 800mg PRIME vs the old PRIME and see if I experience any notable differences. I still plan on taking 6 caps a day of the New Prime, as I did with the old PRIME I was just on. I'm looking forward to its arrival!
 
Hellz to tha yes. My new PRIME just came in; 150 caps, 800mg. Previously, while running the old PRIME, I was dosing 6 caps a day@3,600mg a day. I'll be dosing 6 caps a day with my new PRIME@4,800mg a day. Keep it gangster.
 
Nasss!!
 
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The only other strength promoting supplements I've ever used were Junglewarfare (three times), 3-AD (once), DTH & DTHC (three-four), Blue GENE (one), PRIME (twice previously, this will be the third.)

Pros & Cons, Compare & Contrast in my experience.

JW (solo):
- Takes about 10 days to fully kick in.
- Good strength boosts for about 14 days, however, the heavy lethargy that sets in can off-set the increased strength boost. If the energy isn't there to exploit the strength boost, then that's-that.
- Makes me depressed and unmotivated about lifting once I'm off.
- I had to spend money on light PCT for safe keeping; (Drive, RPM, X-Force).

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench, 295lbs x 8 reps

3-AD (+ MassFX)
- Took about 7 days to fully kick in.
- Awesome muscle endurance boost, more so then strength, but strength as well. However, it follows the same lethargic trap & circumstance as JW did and the post cycle depression/apathy lasted about a month.
- I had to spend a grip on AX PCT, because AX prices don't play.
- My PCT was: (MassFX, LeanFX, HyperdolX2, aPCT, Stoked, X-force)

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench, 225lbs x 23 reps and Dead Lifts 495lbs x 2 reps

DTH/DTHC
- Gave me week one aggression.
- That's about all it gave me.... :paranoid:

Memorable PR's: Violent fantasies of beating in another member with a 25lbs plate.

Blue GENE
- Greater muscle endurance, then strength, but strength was prevalent.
- Heavy, heavy lethargy toward the last 5 days, almost unbearable.
- No post cycle burn out, and no PCT required.

Memorable PR's: 125lbs Db's x 10 reps, 100lbs Db's x 22 reps.

PRIME
- Acute onset of strength, giving me more working ON days.
- Notable strength increase and increased muscle endurance, but more so strength.
- 1st run with PRIME gave me lethargy (which was a mystery to all, because it shouldn't have; potential over-training).
- 2nd most previous run did not give me lethargy. Though fatigue did set in if I did not take appropriate rest days, as in no lifting 5 days in a row.
- No post cycle depression or apathy.
- No light PCT required.

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench 315lbs x 7 reps

The only thing these supplements had in common and this effect seems exclusive to me, is that my strength declines rather quickly after the main run. Even those cycles where I had PCT (and very extensive PCT), my strength was still shot.


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Nice write up man..very detailed. Prime is king
 
New PRIME Day 1

I wasn't suppose to workout today and I definitely wasn't suppose to work my delts, but my only other options were to rest or hit legs. Considering my low back is still a tad blown from saving the incline bencher the other day, I had to do SOMETHING. I started off deciding I'd just hit traps, but once my shoulder region was warmed up, I had no choice.

Delts.

Behind The Neck Shrugs
225lbs x 10 reps
275lbs x 8 reps
315lbs x 8 reps
365lbs x 6 reps
365lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Seated Shrugs
270lbs x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps

Machine, Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
135lbs x 10 reps
150lbs x 10 reps
185lbs x 8 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
215lbs x 6 reps
215lbs x 5 reps

Barbell Upright Rows
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
115lbs x 6 reps

Seated Db Lateral Raises (full elbow extension)
25lbs Db's x 10 reps
30lbs Db's x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps, x 6 reps

??????

Hammer Preacher Curls
100lbs x 15 reps
110lbs x 10 reps
120lbs x 10 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 8 reps
150lbs x 6 reps
160lbs x 5 reps
Drop-Set, 140lbs x 6 reps - 120lbs x 6 reps - 100lbs x 5 reps

That was a bit random, but I had too much energy left over and I knew I didn't want to push my delts or traps any further. I just strained my traps 2 weeks ago and my delts were still sore from yesterday's chest day (which was why I initially did not want to hit my delts). I knew I wasn't going to workout tomorrow, so I figured I'd make the best.

Today wasn't a normal shoulders days for me, so I couldn't really note any positive strength effects, but I am looking forward to my next weighted dip session and weighted pull ups/Back day.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I wasn't suppose to workout today and I definitely wasn't suppose to work my delts, but my only other options were to rest or hit legs. Considering my low back is still a tad blown from saving the incline bencher the other day, I had to do SOMETHING. I started off deciding I'd just hit traps, but once my shoulder region was warmed up, I had no choice.

Delts.

Behind The Neck Shrugs
225lbs x 10 reps
275lbs x 8 reps
315lbs x 8 reps
365lbs x 6 reps
365lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Seated Shrugs
270lbs x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps

Machine, Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
135lbs x 10 reps
150lbs x 10 reps
185lbs x 8 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
215lbs x 6 reps
215lbs x 5 reps

Barbell Upright Rows
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
115lbs x 6 reps

Seated Db Lateral Raises (full elbow extension)
25lbs Db's x 10 reps
30lbs Db's x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps, x 6 reps

??????

Hammer Preacher Curls
100lbs x 15 reps
110lbs x 10 reps
120lbs x 10 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 8 reps
150lbs x 6 reps
160lbs x 5 reps
Drop-Set, 140lbs x 6 reps - 120lbs x 6 reps - 100lbs x 5 reps

That was a bit random, but I had too much energy left over and I knew I didn't want to push my delts or traps any further. I just strained my traps 2 weeks ago and my delts were still sore from yesterday's chest day (which was why I initially did not want to hit my delts). I knew I wasn't going to workout tomorrow, so I figured I'd make the best.

Today wasn't a normal shoulders days for me, so I couldn't really note any positive strength effects, but I am looking forward to my next weighted dip session and weighted pull ups/Back day.
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Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...:18:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...:18:
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Could not agree more DW. Prime can take over and push you further than your body should be going. I usually can go 6-8 weeks in my DC blasts but started a Prime bottle at week 4 and I was amazed that I was in week 11 of a blast when I counted the weeks. Needless to say...I am burnt out and cruising right now. Prime had me recovering and hungry for every workout but it takes you past the bodies natural limits. While that is good for a certain amount of time. It will take it's toll on you.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Blue GENE
- Greater muscle endurance, then strength, but strength was prevalent.
- Heavy, heavy lethargy toward the last 5 days, almost unbearable.
- No post cycle burn out, and no PCT required.

Memorable PR's: 125lbs Db's x 10 reps, 100lbs Db's x 22 reps.
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I remember reading your review of this, with the youtube vids, and being very impressed with the 100x22 set. That was pretty much my first impression of you; I was impressed.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...:18:
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Very true. I have a natural tendency to over-train as is, but being able to exert that extra umpf with PRIME usually leads to general fatigue. I'll try and be more conscious of such matters this time around.
 
You haven't felt pain until you've had a Chinese deep tissue massage from a non-English speaking masseuse. The more fobby the masseuse, the less humane they are with their technique and the less consideration they have for human pain & suffering.

I got a deep tissue from Mr. Lu again. I literally sweat from the pain and I get stuff dripping out my nose when I'm laying face down. I also had DOMS in particular muscles, like my chest and lats, so when it was elbow grinding time, the pain was severely compounded.

The worst by far, was when he had me on my stomach, my arms reaching forward, above my head like superman, and hanging on to a chair in front of me, so my arms are fully extended, with my lats open & raw to the world, where at this point, he rammed his elbow into my lats and was grinding my lats like he was grinding down herbs in a stone mixer.

The worse I grimaced, the more he felt he was at a good spot to work and further grind to hell.

As painful as it was, my lower back feels better.
 
sheesh
 
lol... I met Lee Priest at my first Arnold(the last one he competed in, 06?), at the VIP afterparty. Very cool, down to earth guy. I became a fan that night.

I also remember reading an article FAQ with Priest, and he commented he loved junk food and he would never give it up. He in turn does cardio 7 days a week, for like 8 hours a day, when he needs to eventually cut.
 
Moderate Core Day

Dead Lifts
225lbs x 10 reps
315lbs x 5 reps
335lbs x 3 reps
365lbs x 1 reps
315lbs x 3 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Squats (HTC)
135lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps
155lbs x 6 reps
135lbs x 10 reps

Barbell Hack Squats (some people call these reverse dead lifts, I suppose I can't blame them).
135lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 3 reps (legs gave out)

Today should have been a rest day, but I stopped by my Training Facility to pick up a check and Tha PRIME made me walk over to a barbell and start adding weights to it and what started out with, "I'm just going to warm up my lower back for circulation sake," turned into an official dead lift session and I can't just do a partial day.

Tomorrow I have to go house hunting with my real estate agent, so for sure I won't be working out.
 
hman85 said:
Thats crazy! I wonder how much weight he actually drops when he cuts down? Bet its alot!
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Off-Season, Lee Priest weighs between 270-285lbs He brings himself around mid-200's (200-225 LBS) during competition. He's infamous for his love for KFC and burgers.
 
brk_nemesis said:
lol... I met Lee Priest at my first Arnold(the last one he competed in, 06?), at the VIP afterparty. Very cool, down to earth guy. I became a fan that night.

I also remember reading an article FAQ with Priest, and he commented he loved junk food and he would never give it up. He in turn does cardio 7 days a week, for like 8 hours a day, when he needs to eventually cut.
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I met him once at the Iron Man/L.A. Fitness Expo. I didn't get to really talk to him or even eves drop on his personality. I just shook his hand and he seemed like a real humble and gracious guy.

I think he could tell he'd just run into a fan when he saw me. I was walking through a crowd of people, then I notice a grown man in what almost appeared to be emo tight jeans, I see his face and I think he saw me mouth "oh $hit! it's Lee Priest!" from a distance, so I shook his hand and that's about it.

Yeah, he was wearing normal jeans, but his quads were too big for them.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Moderate Core Day

Dead Lifts
225lbs x 10 reps
315lbs x 5 reps
335lbs x 3 reps
365lbs x 1 reps
315lbs x 3 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Squats (HTC)
135lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps
155lbs x 6 reps
135lbs x 10 reps

Barbell Hack Squats (some people call these reverse dead lifts, I suppose I can't blame them).
135lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 3 reps (legs gave out)

Today should have been a rest day, but I stopped by my Training Facility to pick up a check and Tha PRIME made me walk over to a barbell and start adding weights to it and what started out with, "I'm just going to warm up my lower back for circulation sake," turned into an official dead lift session and I can't just do a partial day.

Tomorrow I have to go house hunting with my real estate agent, so for sure I won't be working out.
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I guess you won't be sticking with any particular plan then ....:paranoid: :laugh2:
 
DreamWeaver said:
I guess you won't be sticking with any particular plan then ....:paranoid: :laugh2:
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:paranoid: I tried. I only went into my training facility to pick up a pay check and it all went downhill from there. However, I will be resting today (90% chance) and most likely tomorrow (85% chance).

A saw a trainer/classmate last night at Peak Performance, who I haven't seen since my graduation in May. I was probably about 190lbs-193lbs the last I saw him. He made a comment about how I looked bigger, particularly in the shoulders, since we last saw each other, so I felt pretty good.
 
I am employing a strategy you may have interest in, V: it uses high volume, high frequency and high intensity - a BB'ing no-no. The little ditty goes something like this:

Monday:

Chest/Back/Traps - 7-8 sets each muscle group; 12-15 reps each set; reps performed at 70% intensity at either a 3:1:2 or 4:2:2 pace. Exercises focus exclusively on form, execution, isolation and variation of movement.

Tuesday:

Biceps/Triceps/Shoulder - same scheme and purpose as Monday, with a finishing drop set of 50 reps for biceps/triceps.

Wednesday:

Rest and/or light cardio

Thursday:

Chest/Back/Traps - 4-5 sets each muscle group; 4-6 reps each set; reps performed at 85-90% intensity at a 2:1:1 pace. Exercises focus on power and explosiveness, and each exercise is compound.

Friday:

Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders - same scheme and purpose as Thursday.

Considering my legs blow-up with little-to-no-attention, I alternate a Leg Day in EOW on Saturdays. In the interim, I am still pushing some form of DL and/or CnP every week, so the lower posterior chain is still getting worked. I am staying quite full, and my strength, even on the finesse days, is going up every week. The Sat/Sun rest scheme is also amazing for recuperation, without sacrifice, due to the high frequency of the plan.
 
VolcomX311 said:
You haven't felt pain until you've had a Chinese deep tissue massage from a non-English speaking masseuse. The more fobby the masseuse, the less humane they are with their technique and the less consideration they have for human pain & suffering.

I got a deep tissue from Mr. Lu again. I literally sweat from the pain and I get stuff dripping out my nose when I'm laying face down. I also had DOMS in particular muscles, like my chest and lats, so when it was elbow grinding time, the pain was severely compounded.

The worst by far, was when he had me on my stomach, my arms reaching forward, above my head like superman, and hanging on to a chair in front of me, so my arms are fully extended, with my lats open & raw to the world, where at this point, he rammed his elbow into my lats and was grinding my lats like he was grinding down herbs in a stone mixer.

The worse I grimaced, the more he felt he was at a good spot to work and further grind to hell.

As painful as it was, my lower back feels better.
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+1. Been there done that. It's embarassingly painful. And the whole time I had a chinese guy (who works with us) next the massage lady telling her in Chinese to "make it more painful!"

Funny thing was, when we were getting foot massages, one of the Chinese guys we were with fell asleep. How in the hell can a man fall asleep during that type of pain????
 
Mulletsoldier said:
7-8 sets each muscle group; 12-15 reps
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"ouch baby, very ouch."

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I'll give this a try. My ability to push the envelop intensity-wise is quite high, but my ability to push the envelop intra-set volume-wise, is an uphill battle. My reppage tends to diminish from set to set whether I'm pyramiding or maintaining weight. I can handle the 7-8 sets portion, but keeping the rep range at 12-15 would be a challenge.

Question, by 7-8 sets per muscle group, do you mean multiple exercises per the muscle group, such as flat bench, incline bench, dips... or 7-8 sets of flat bench?
 
VolcomX311 said:
"ouch baby, very ouch."

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I'll give this a try. My ability to push the envelop intensity-wise is quite high, but my ability to push the envelop intra-set volume-wise, is an uphill battle. My reppage tends to diminish from set to set whether I'm pyramiding or maintaining weight. I can handle the 7-8 sets portion, but keeping the rep range at 12-15 would be a challenge.

Question, by 7-8 sets per muscle group, do you mean multiple exercises per the muscle group, such as flat bench, incline bench, dips... or 7-8 sets of flat bench?
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7-8 sets for each muscle group. Something like 3 sets Hammer Flat, 2 sets Decline Flat, 2 sets Incline Hammer, 1 set flies. These are all super-sets, hence the number of sets for each one.
 
Che mon, it is very nice. So it is definitely a mid-way approach. Even on the 70% intensity days, it is hard work.
 
An example from my high-volume Chest/Back/Traps day (Monday). All sets at 70-80% intensity or so:

Superset A:

Flat DB Press, with only shoulder blades on the bench/Hammer Strength Low Row:
3 sets each, 15 reps each @ 3:1:2

Superset B:

Incline DB Press/Crucifix Pull-Down:
2 sets, 15 reps, @ 4:2:2

Superset C:

Gironda Dips/BB Shrugs w/ bottom roll:
3 sets, 20 reps @ 3:1:1

Superset D:

'Around the world' Decline Flies/reverse position, behind-the-neck pulldowns:
2 sets, 15 reps, @ 3:2:2

I use 45 seconds in-between each set in the super-set, and then 90 seconds in between finishing a set of exercises. Pumps are crazy! If I feel particularly like punishing myself, I will throw in a Cable Cross-Over, Flat Fly giant set, with 6 total sets back-to-back.
 
I could only afford to do that on a Sunday or Saturday afternoon, due to the multiple stations requirement. My L.A. Fitness is waaaay too crowded to pull off a multi-station routine, unless is was on a ghost town Saturday or Sunday :sick:
 
VolcomX311 said:
I could only afford to do that on a Sunday or Saturday afternoon, due to the multiple stations requirement. My L.A. Fitness is waaaay too crowded to pull off a multi-station routine, unless is was on a ghost town Saturday or Sunday :sick:
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Luckily I am at a local 24h gym: "Fulton's 24h Fitness" [not enfranchised]. The maximum amount of people there is 10 at a time. I ask to work in maybe once in every five workouts.
 
Day 3 of New PRIME

The PRIME really showed it’s face tonight.

Lower/Outer Chest

Weighted Dips

BW x 15 reps
BW + 45lbs x 10 reps
BW + 70lbs x 10 reps
BW + 90lbs x 8 reps
BW + 100lbs x 6 reps
BW + 115lbs x 4 reps (meh... over reached)

Hammer Wide Press
180lbs x 12 reps
230lbs x 10 reps
280lbs x 10 reps
330lbs x 6 reps
330lbs x 5 reps

Hammer Dips - Gironda Grip
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
220lbs x 8 reps
240lbs x 6 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Cable Flies
4 sets x 10 reps

The most noticeable effect today was both strength and endurance. I haven't done Hammer Wide Presses in awhile, so I can't make a real judgment on strength performance, however, my rep range was not diminishing from set to set as is common with me. My rep range reliably diminishes whether I'm pyramiding or maintaining the same weight, so the fact I was able to maintain my rep range with 50lbs increases between sets was a nice surprise. Also, my muscle endurance was increased enough to allow me to take my Gironda Hammer Dips further in sets, weight and volume then I have in awhile.

I swear I'm going to rest tomorrow. This is what happens when I'm on PRIME and it always ends up with me being forced to rest when general fatigue sets in, but I'll rest tomorrow. I'll be in class from 9am to 5pm, yes, on a Saturday and yes, it's only ONE class..... the whole day.... on a Saturday... pity me...
 
VolcomX311 said:
I swear I'm going to rest tomorrow. This is what happens when I'm on PRIME and it always ends up with me being forced to rest when general fatigue sets in, but I'll rest tomorrow. I'll be in class from 9am to 5pm, yes, on a Saturday and yes, it's only ONE class..... the whole day.... on a Saturday... pity me...
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I did the weekend class thing this semester. Two weekends, Friday from 5pm to 9pm (which turned into 5-7pm), and Sat/Sun from 8-5, which turned into 9-4. Twas sweet. Just took my final today. 97. :)

We were given a break every 50mins, and had 2hrs for lunch. Easiest freaking class I've ever taken, and I still got full credit (3hr) for it.
 
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This is for my own reference, or more accurately, a self-serving sticky. I spend much of my time in the MMA forum sticking up for my particular fighter, so this will be my standard response to future ignorance.

P.S. My boy Tyler hates Brock and I'm not saying hating him is ignorant, it's quite understandable actually, but I'm addressing people who think Brock's only background prior to MMA was WWE wrestling, so this is will be my standard educational response for future enlightment "if needed."

Ignore this,

#1. Brock earned a 33-0 record in his senior year of high school.

#2. Brock won the Heavyweight bracket in the North Dakota State University's annual Bison Open Tournament.

#3. In 1998, Brock won his 2nd straight Bison Open title, and became the Heavyweight bracket champion in the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA). **In just 2 years at BJC, Brock had accumulated a 56-3 record.**

#4. Minnesota wrestling coach J Robinson watched Brock in awe at the Finals of the NJCAA and signed him to University Minnesota.

#5. Brock went 24-1 in his first year at Minnesota U, with his only loss coming from Iowa State's Trent Hynek (who was also a pimp and made it the NCAA 2000 semi-finals, losing to Wes Hand, who would then lose to Brock in the championship round).

#6 Year 2000: Brock earned a 26-1 record (with his only season defeat at the hands of a close 5-3 decision from Iowa's Wes Hand; Wes Hand is a wrestling legend in his own right and is Iowa U’s current wrestling coach).

#7. NCAA 2000, Division I Heavyweight Wrestling Championships, Brock raped his competition and avenges his loss to Wes Hand, and not just by points, but a definitive pin, which is the gauntlet of judgment in College Wresting.

Evidenced here:

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VolcomX311 said:
The PRIME really showed it’s face tonight.

Lower/Outer Chest

Weighted Dips

BW x 15 reps
BW + 45lbs x 10 reps
BW + 70lbs x 10 reps
BW + 90lbs x 8 reps
BW + 100lbs x 6 reps
BW + 115lbs x 4 reps (meh... over reached)

Hammer Wide Press
180lbs x 12 reps
230lbs x 10 reps
280lbs x 10 reps
330lbs x 6 reps
330lbs x 5 reps

Hammer Dips - Gironda Grip
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
220lbs x 8 reps
240lbs x 6 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Cable Flies
4 sets x 10 reps

The most noticeable effect today was both strength and endurance. I haven't done Hammer Wide Presses in awhile, so I can't make a real judgment on strength performance, however, my rep range was not diminishing from set to set as is common with me. My rep range reliably diminishes whether I'm pyramiding or maintaining the same weight, so the fact I was able to maintain my rep range with 50lbs increases between sets was a nice surprise. Also, my muscle endurance was increased enough to allow me to take my Gironda Hammer Dips further in sets, weight and volume then I have in awhile.

I swear I'm going to rest tomorrow. This is what happens when I'm on PRIME and it always ends up with me being forced to rest when general fatigue sets in, but I'll rest tomorrow. I'll be in class from 9am to 5pm, yes, on a Saturday and yes, it's only ONE class..... the whole day.... on a Saturday... pity me...
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Make sure you do, don't burn out this time... "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over ...expecting different results" .. who says were sane though :happysad: :laugh2:
 
VolcomX311 said:
This is for my own reference, or more accurately, a self-serving sticky. I spend much of my time in the MMA forum sticking up for my particular fighter, so this will be my standard response to future ignorance.

P.S. My boy Tyler hates Brock and I'm not saying hating him is ignorant, it's quite understandable actually, but I'm addressing people who think Brock's only background prior to MMA was WWE wrestling, so this is will be my standard educational response for future enlightment "if needed."

Ignore this,

#1. Brock earned a 33-0 record in his senior year of high school.

#2. Brock won the Heavyweight bracket in the North Dakota State University's annual Bison Open Tournament.

#3. In 1998, Brock won his 2nd straight Bison Open title, and became the Heavyweight bracket champion in the National Junior College Athletic Association (NJCAA). **In just 2 years at BJC, Brock had accumulated a 56-3 record.**

#4. Minnesota wrestling coach J Robinson watched Brock in awe at the Finals of the NJCAA and signed him to University Minnesota.

#5. Brock went 24-1 in his first year at Minnesota U, with his only loss coming from Iowa State's Trent Hynek (who was also a pimp and made it the NCAA 2000 semi-finals, losing to Wes Hand, who would then lose to Brock in the championship round).

#6 Year 2000: Brock earned a 26-1 record (with his only season defeat at the hands of a close 5-3 decision from Iowa's Wes Hand; Wes Hand is a wrestling legend in his own right and is Iowa U’s current wrestling coach).

#7. NCAA 2000, Division I Heavyweight Wrestling Championships, Brock raped his competition and avenges his loss to Wes Hand, and not just by points, but a definitive pin, which is the gauntlet of judgment in College Wresting.

Evidenced here:

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Ha ha, nice post. It's cool that everyone pulls for different people. The ignorant thing would be for people/fans NOT to be OK with that, ya know. If this makes sense, I am much more of a fan of the fighters I pull for (BJ, ACE, W. Silva, formerly Chuck, C.C., Fedor, Etc) than one of those guys that just hates on fighters he doesnt like.

But, IMHO-Brock is an a$$. But thats just my opinion.

Oh, answer me this-I'll give ya the fact that Brock is a good wrestler. But in what fight has he used any of his wrestling skills? I know he uses somewhat of a wrestling takedown, but when the fight has gotten to the ground, there is not "wrestling" invloved IMHO. It's more the style of "one huge mofo manhandling people and squishing them unitl he can hammer fist their face in" style. In the Randy and HH fights, he knocks them down from punches, which is impressive I guess, but then the above style began.

I mean hell, Chuck knocked Rany out COLD with ONE punch. :) Twice.
 
tyler4 said:
Oh, answer me this-I'll give ya the fact that Brock is a good wrestler. But in what fight has he used any of his wrestling skills? I know he uses somewhat of a wrestling takedown, but when the fight has gotten to the ground, there is not "wrestling" invloved IMHO. It's more the style of "one huge mofo manhandling people and squishing them unitl he can hammer fist their face in" style. In the Randy and HH fights, he knocks them down from punches, which is impressive I guess, but then the above style began.
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I disagree on this. For example: in the Mir fight, Lesnar had Mir in a modified half-nelson hold which sought to [and successfully] keep Mir's hips in neutral position, preventing a sweep and/or transition back to full-guard. Once there, Lesnar controlled Mir's right wrist long enough for him to secure his arm behind Mir's neck - effectively disengaging that arm. Finally, Brock secured Mir's left arm and turned Mir's face toward the mat, leaving his face entirely susceptible to damage, and unable to even attempt a sweep.

Nobody is claiming Brock is BJ Penn or Aoki, but to say there was no wrestling involved is unfair, IMO. Brock effectively used techniques to keep out of Mir's full-guard - where he is very dangerous - and used his strength and leverage to prevent any type of transition or sweep. That is wrestling, brohymn.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I disagree on this. For example: in the Mir fight, Lesnar had Mir in a modified half-nelson hold which sought to [and successfully] keep Mir's hips in neutral position, preventing a sweep and/or transition back to full-guard. Once there, Lesnar controlled Mir's right wrist long enough for him to secure his arm behind Mir's neck - effectively disengaging that arm. Finally, Brock secured Mir's left arm and turned Mir's face toward the mat, leaving his face entirely susceptible to damage, and unable to even attempt a sweep.

Nobody is claiming Brock is BJ Penn or Aoki, but to say there was no wrestling involved is unfair, IMO. Brock effectively used techniques to keep out of Mir's full-guard - where he is very dangerous - and used his strength and leverage to prevent any type of transition or sweep. That is wrestling, brohymn.
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I guess I can see your point. And I guess the fact the I'm not a wrestling fan in the least, can maybe blur my vision as to what true wrestling is. But I still think that his ground game effectiveness has more to do with his size, than his wrestling skills. I'm not saying he wasnt a killer wrestler with great skil and still is maybe.

Or maybe if I liked the guy, I could argue the other way. But I think he is a total douche bag, so that might keep me from seeing this from another angle.:laugh2:
 
tyler4 said:
I guess I can see your point. And I guess the fact the I'm not a wrestling fan in the least, can maybe blur my vision as to what true wrestling is. But I still think that his ground game effectiveness has more to do with his size, than his wrestling skills. I'm not saying he wasnt a killer wrestler with great skil and still is maybe.

Or maybe if I liked the guy, I could argue the other way. But I think he is a total douche bag, so that might keep me from seeing this from another angle.:laugh2:
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Well, airborne douchebaggery is known to affect optical responsiveness.

I hate to generalize, but I think it's fair to say people-in-general tend to dismiss wrestling as a martial art - which is odd, to say the least. (It is an Olympic event, and one of the oldest martial arts.) Brock's success is certainly an amalgam, of which strength and size are contributing factors; however, what gets lost in the fray is that the proper application of size and strength is a technique in-and-of itself. If it were not, every HW with size would be able to do what Brock does.
 
tyler4 said:
Ha ha, nice post. It's cool that everyone pulls for different people. The ignorant thing would be for people/fans NOT to be OK with that, ya know. If this makes sense, I am much more of a fan of the fighters I pull for (BJ, ACE, W. Silva, formerly Chuck, C.C., Fedor, Etc) than one of those guys that just hates on fighters he doesnt like.

But, IMHO-Brock is an a$$. But thats just my opinion.

Oh, answer me this-I'll give ya the fact that Brock is a good wrestler. But in what fight has he used any of his wrestling skills? I know he uses somewhat of a wrestling takedown, but when the fight has gotten to the ground, there is not "wrestling" invloved IMHO. It's more the style of "one huge mofo manhandling people and squishing them unitl he can hammer fist their face in" style. In the Randy and HH fights, he knocks them down from punches, which is impressive I guess, but then the above style began.

I mean hell, Chuck knocked Rany out COLD with ONE punch. :) Twice.
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Valid points, the only time Brock really "displayed" wrestling moves"was when he scrambled around Mir's back during their first fight. However, in MMA, there are only three wrestling moves that get visibly displayed. Take Downs, Take Down Defense and using leverage & balance to keep your opponent on the ground (and the occasional slam, but that's not really a technical skill limited to wrestling). Considering his game plan is to simply be in an advantageous position to have a subdued opponent with his own arms free to punch away, there's no need to maneuver around if he's attained that position. Unless he was aiming for a pin, a downed opponent doesn't need to be moved around unless he is unable to throw strikes.

Like BJJ, wrestling can seem as though there's nothing visibly technical going on. Wrestling's most invisible moves are sensing where the opponent is trying or is going trying to make an escape, then the wrestler displaces their weight and leverage in a manner to prevent that, either by a static weight/leverage shift or physically adjusting your position.

Look at GSP/Penn II, GSP only needed to maintain top position and avoid getting bucked or preventing BJ from maneuvering around. All GSP attempted to do was adjust himself just enough to keep his desired position. Wrestling is more often used as prevent defense and the offense comes from the GnP, whereas, BJJ can be offensive, even in a defensive position, so BJJ maneuvering can seem more apparent (to a cultured eye).

Nonetheless, I do agree that Brock's fights have looked more like a big boy out manning his opponents as a result of being a big boy, so we'll go back to the most. However, if he was unable to sense ground movements and understand what to grab or where exert body weight, a BJJ black belt such as Mir would have been able to move about on him.

I'm going to provide a very anecdotal example. My roommate does BJJ, very strong ex college football player at 190lbs. He's a blue belt, his teacher obviously is a black belt and about 150lbs. When they roll, the teacher will verbally call out what move he is about to attempt and he can submit anyone in his class at will. He also does this against the classes 250lbs brown belt (and judo black belt).

I couldn't understand how this guy could do this, so one day my roommate said I should wrestle around with him. I wrestled one year, but I was banking on the fact I was 225lbs and maybe twice his strength. I started ontop out of mercy and since I had no clue how to properly subdue someone on the ground, this 150lbs guy ended up ontop with very limited effort.

My point being, strength & weight alone can do a lot, but it can only do so much.

Look at Fedor vs the giant 8 feet Asian freak, off the back arm bar by Fedor. That is primarily a testament to what superb ground skills look like, but its also a testament to what it looks like if your a big, heavy guy ontop, but not so knowledgeable on the ground.

Anyway, I just hoping BJ pulls it out tonight and I hope CC and pull it together in general :paranoid:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Nobody is claiming Brock is BJ Penn or Aoki, but to say there was no wrestling involved is unfair, IMO. Brock effectively used techniques to keep out of Mir's full-guard - where he is very dangerous - and used his strength and leverage to prevent any type of transition or sweep. That is wrestling, brohymn.
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Much more concise. I was conveying that same message.
 
Today has been screwy and its not over.

I'm taking an advanced anatomy course this fall where I get to dissect cadavers, and this class is at a new college, that began today. It's an all day class from 9:00am to 4:30pm, so I started my day with 2 Slim Xtremes and that was the beginning of the end.

I arrived to an empty campus, but thought "hey, this is a Saturday, so I expect it to be a bit empty." I'm hopped up on an insane mental stim and I'm all ready to take on this class, when I arrived at the college book store and read that class doesn't begin for another 2 weeks!

This was suppose to be my rest day where I sat in class all day (as my recovery from lifting), but now I'm completely restless due to the SX in my system and the whole mentality of expecting to be absolutely and relevantly productive today (academically).

I drove to La Verne L.A. Fitness, stretched and began my first set of squats, but decided I didn't want my "off-day" to be so physically demanding, so I opted to leave.

During my drive, I thought that I could perhaps do curls, as such a small muscle group should have a negligible effect on self taxation.

I drove to Glendora, L.A. Fitness.

Biceps (like a normal person, not my usual forearm emphasized mumbo-jumbo)

- Preacher Curls x 5 sets

- Machine, One Arm, Incline, Preacher Curls x 5 sets

- Cable Curls x 4 sets

- Hammer, One Arm Preacher Curls x 4 sets

- Barbell Reverse Curls x 4 sets

- Smith-Barbell Reverse Curls x 4 sets


I went and had lunch, then went to Barne's & Nobles to pick up an anatomy book. A couple hours had gone by since I last worked out and i was still restless, unbelievably restless, so I drove back to L.A. Fitness

Delts

Seated Military Press
135lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps

Seated Military Press - Behind The Neck
90lbs x 12 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
135lbs x 6 reps
135lbs x 5 reps
135lbs x 5 reps

Hammer Shoulder Press
140lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
230lbs x 6 reps
230lbs x 5 reps
230lbs x 5 reps

Machine, Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
150lbs x 10 reps
165lbs x 8 reps
180lbs x 6 reps
180lbs x 5 reps

12:44 pm and I'm still a bit restless.

I have to say, I don't know in what way PRIME benefits me the most, absolute strength or incredible muscle endurance/set-to-set recovery. The combination of PRIME increasing and prolonging my physical ability to perform, with the complete lack of a sense of fatigue/incessant mental motivation of being on a Stim, makes for a dangerous combination.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I think you have a mild form of OCD, V.
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Haha, it comes & goes. I just got over my X-box 360 sabbatical about a month ago, where I recall spending more time playing Fable II, then going back to play Fable I, then moving on to COD 4, God Father II, then God Father 1 (which sucked), then Mass Effect, then the new UFC game and then all my gaming desires completely vanished, and I rekindled my bodybuilding flame. I got burnt out after my most recent cut.

Had this been 3 months ago, I would have shot straight home after finding out that I had no school.

Tomorrow I'm going to the beach with my anatomy book to refresh myself, so without a doubt, I will rest.
 
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