Transformers 2

This review has all of the "WTF?" moments detailed nicely as to why his movie is a giant suckball of suck that really, really...sucks.

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That accurately, and unfortunately, portrayed the film. I love the franchise, but this movie was phenomenally terrible. Going in, I assumed several things: a) Bay would make the action scenes more ostentatious; b) more Autobots and Decepticons would be integrated into the film, and; c) the plot would be somewhat disheveled. However, I still went into this film with some naive sense of hope, if only due to my previously mentioned love of the series. Unfortunately, the massive cluster-fuck which was to follow is beyond explanation, and any reasonable expectation of shittiness that even the most vivid and brilliant of imaginations can conjure.

T1 was effective for several reasons: there was some emotional attachment to both the humans and robots; the action scenes were truncated and relevant; and, most importantly, the plot was at least marginally coherent. In his characteristic style, though, Michael Bay removed any endearing traits from the first [successful] film in a series, and replaced all those compelling features with mindless, and phantom-caused, explosions; idiotic, lowest-common-denominator-pandering and brain-cell numbing humor; and more mindless, and phantom-caused, explosions.

You see, Michael Bay is like a small-child who farts in front of a crowd, and is rewarded for this behavior through laughter: in his following performances, he will up the ante by shitting his pants all over the carpet, as he thinks the act itself was the entertaining portion that garnered him laughs. Therefore, the Bay-child thinks, following the act to its logical conclusion - in this case, going from blowing air over poop, to shitting his pants - should cause a proportionate increase in the excitement - more laughter, yay!

Despite this reasoning, both Bay and the child - his intellectual equal in all respects - misunderstand something integral: it is not the act itself, but rather the context of the act that makes it endearing. Farting is a disgusting act, because it smells foul and pervades your nostrils; however, in the context of a little kid performing the act, it can be rather cute. In the context of the Transformers series, it is the pointless action that is foul, but in the proper context - in this case, a plot - it can be endearing. And, as I said, this was the effective movie that was T1.

To sum it up: Michael Bay is like the small boy who farted, and was rewarded with laughter. However, as opposed to a small room of people, Bay was given a global audience and throngs of devoted Transformers fans to **** all over. I hate you Michael Bay; I hate you.
 
okay...so all you guys doggin on michael bay and transformers.....name some "good" movies....im just curious as to what is acceptable for you guys....dsade had a couple...what else....if anyone says Steel Magnolias im gonna lmfao....

I tend to watch a wide-range of movies, but these are a few of my favorites:

a) Dark City
b) Clockwork Orange
c) S7VEN
d) Donny Darko
e) A Full Metal Jacket
f) The Departed
g) Goodfellas
h) Snatch
i) Layer Cake
j) Event Horizon
k) Gladiator
l) Terminator 2

and so on and so on.
 
All of Mullet's movies are good. Some of my other favorites are :

Fight Club
Solaris
Kubrik and Hitch**** movies
Swingers
A history of violence
Dead Ringers

Some that I've seen recently (in theaters or on TV) and enjoyed :

Star Trek (never saw any old ones but enjoyed this)
Crank High Voltage (Over the top and ridiculous but done for comic effect)
Alien, Aliens
Dark Knight
 
All of Mullet's movies are good. Some of my other favorites are :

Fight Club
Solaris
Kubrik and Hitch**** movies
Swingers
A history of violence
Dead Ringers

Yes, yes and yes. Love Kubrik, as you can tell! Swingers is hilarious.

Some that I've seen recently (in theaters or on TV) and enjoyed :

Star Trek (never saw any old ones but enjoyed this)
Crank High Voltage (Over the top and ridiculous but done for comic effect)
Alien, Aliens
Dark Knight


Dark Knight is a phenomenal piece of filmmaking, whether comic book movie or not.
 
that review is hilarious! i hate transformers now too!

LOL! I love this guy, even though he bashes the movie. Good points especially about the part when he talked about them diving to get megatron, but then the math doesn't add up.

"Why can't Bumblebee talk, but the other Autobots can?
Because Bumblebee is retarded, but in a Sling Blade kind of a way. This explains how he kills the living **** out of a Decepticon later."
 
That review was hilarious by the way. Im going to have to watch it now just to look for these things again.
 
This review has all of the "WTF?" moments detailed nicely as to why his movie is a giant suckball of suck that really, really...sucks.

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One of the best and most accurate reviews for this movie that I've read yet. Thanks for posting this!

As for good action movies that I've seen in the past few years that dump on Transformers 2 from a great height:

Iron Man
Dark Knight
Rambo
Planet Terror
Dawn of the Dead remake
 
One of the best and most accurate reviews for this movie that I've read yet. Thanks for posting this!

As for good action movies that I've seen in the past few years that dump on Transformers 2 from a great height:

Iron Man
Dark Knight
Rambo
Planet Terror
Dawn of the Dead remake

Five yeses [real word, ha] there. I thought the Romero remake was really well made. I totally forgot to mention them previously, but both the Bourne Trilogy and Taken are how action movies should be made.
 
I agree they could have cut about thirty minutes out of the movie, preferably of dialogue between the humans. It was good for what it was a summer action movie I didn't expect it to hit the caverns of my soul or come away with some newfound sense of self. Its talking robots fighting, I for one am glad they made optimus more bad ass in this movie and actually showed him cleaning some house.

I agree with that. Despite some of the plot holes and rudimentary action/comedy scenes I think the movie captured a little more of the old cartoon that we all grew up watching. 1. Prime as a "real" leader and not some robot that is just there to get smacked around by megatron. His showing brass to the Head of Security was cool to, about time he brought some toughness out like the old cartoons. 2. Starscream as the cowardly robot that tries to usurp Megatron at any given time. His line to megatron at the end of the movie captured his portrayel through the entire 80 genre cartoons. 3. The growing relationship between the robots and the humans they fight to protect.

In all, I went in expecting just what I got. A good action movie with a lot more robots duking it out.... so I'm happy and waiting for the 3rd one. I just couldn't imagine what kind of reviews the movie would have gotten if they introduced the Dinobots into the frey.:D
 
I agree with that. Despite some of the plot holes and rudimentary action/comedy scenes I think the movie captured a little more of the old cartoon that we all grew up watching. 1. Prime as a "real" leader and not some robot that is just there to get smacked around by megatron. His showing brass to the Head of Security was cool to, about time he brought some toughness out like the old cartoons. 2. Starscream as the cowardly robot that tries to usurp Megatron at any given time. His line to megatron at the end of the movie captured his portrayel through the entire 80 genre cartoons. 3. The growing relationship between the robots and the humans they fight to protect.

In all, I went in expecting just what I got. A good action movie with a lot more robots duking it out.... so I'm happy and waiting for the 3rd one. I just couldn't imagine what kind of reviews the movie would have gotten if they introduced the Dinobots into the frey.:D

Grimlock rules. Really everything you are saying is true, which made the movie even more disappointing. They finally stayed a bit more true to the franchise - Prime's toughness, Starscream, Jetfire, Matrix of Leadership, energon, etc., etc., - but they put it in such a ****ty package I hardly had time to notice. To me, the movie was pretty much like somebody smearing **** all over your family photos: you know they are your memories, it's just hard to make them out under all the poop.
 
One of the best and most accurate reviews for this movie that I've read yet. Thanks for posting this!

As for good action movies that I've seen in the past few years that dump on Transformers 2 from a great height:

Iron Man
Dark Knight
Rambo
Planet Terror
Dawn of the Dead remake
Five yeses [real word, ha] there. I thought the Romero remake was really well made. I totally forgot to mention them previously, but both the Bourne Trilogy and Taken are how action movies should be made.

Ah yeah, the Bourne Trilogy was pretty great... sat down and finally watched those over the Christmas holidays last year. My only gripe was too much shaky-cam and cutting during the action sequences.

I still need to see Taken. I've also heard Children of Men was pretty awesome, but haven't sat down to watch it yet.

I know some people didn't like it, but I also enjoyed Smokin Aces as a great action movie.
 
Children of Men was very good.
 
You see, Michael Bay is like a small-child who farts in front of a crowd, and is rewarded for this behavior through laughter: in his following performances, he will up the ante by shitting his pants all over the carpet, as he thinks the act itself was the entertaining portion that garnered him laughs. Therefore, the Bay-child thinks, following the act to its logical conclusion - in this case, going from blowing air over poop, to shitting his pants - should cause a proportionate increase in the excitement - more laughter, yay!

Despite this reasoning, both Bay and the child - his intellectual equal in all respects - misunderstand something integral: it is not the act itself, but rather the context of the act that makes it endearing. Farting is a disgusting act, because it smells foul and pervades your nostrils; however, in the context of a little kid performing the act, it can be rather cute. In the context of the Transformers series, it is the pointless action that is foul, but in the proper context - in this case, a plot - it can be endearing. And, as I said, this was the effective movie that was T1.

To sum it up: Michael Bay is like the small boy who farted, and was rewarded with laughter. However, as opposed to a small room of people, Bay was given a global audience and throngs of devoted Transformers fans to **** all over. I hate you Michael Bay; I hate you.

Two sentence analogy = good. 3 paragraph =

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Double pun this time.


That link on the movie is pretty hilarious. I'm sure that you could deconstruct a lot of movies that way and find some logical flaws with them, but not to that level. I've seen someone do this to the Terminator movies (pre-4), but they should not be obvious, glaring, and unaddressed.

I just hate movies that are written around or written to set up action. They brainstorm about some action scenes and then think about how to connect them. It never makes for a good movie. The Matrix Reloaded felt this way. The Mummy felt this way. They came off as "now we to do this. Ok, next we have to do that...." so that it's just a string of events more than anything.
 
I never followed Transformers. Out of curiosity I saw T1. Liked it. Really.

I saw T2 and 40 mins into it I was completely bored by the incesent sustained destruction and morphining. I want my two hours back.
 
Grimlock rules. Really everything you are saying is true, which made the movie even more disappointing. They finally stayed a bit more true to the franchise - Prime's toughness, Starscream, Jetfire, Matrix of Leadership, energon, etc., etc., - but they put it in such a ****ty package I hardly had time to notice. To me, the movie was pretty much like somebody smearing **** all over your family photos: you know they are your memories, it's just hard to make them out under all the poop.

Honestly I wish I, Or someone else(maybe you good sir) had a chance to rewrte the script before they made it lol.

But still was worth my fee to watch destruction for 2 hours, stare at Megan Fox, and eat M&Ms
 
Honestly I wish I, Or someone else(maybe you good sir) had a chance to rewrte the script before they made it lol.

But still was worth my fee to watch destruction for 2 hours, stare at Megan Fox, and eat M&Ms

Some different dialogue definitely would have helped. What made the interactions between the humans and the autobots endearing last time was the lack thereof; they barely spoke, so the cheese-level was low.

Two sentence analogy = good. 3 paragraph =



Double pun this time.


That link on the movie is pretty hilarious. I'm sure that you could deconstruct a lot of movies that way and find some logical flaws with them, but not to that level. I've seen someone do this to the Terminator movies (pre-4), but they should not be obvious, glaring, and unaddressed.

I just hate movies that are written around or written to set up action. They brainstorm about some action scenes and then think about how to connect them. It never makes for a good movie. The Matrix Reloaded felt this way. The Mummy felt this way. They came off as "now we to do this. Ok, next we have to do that...." so that it's just a string of events more than anything.

Haha, sorry Ito.
 
A good buddy of mine said this was the "greatest movie of all time".

He is a pretty good movie critic, I guess it comes down to personal preference. I have not checked it out yet, I will. For free of course :boobies:
 
Some different dialogue definitely would have helped. What made the interactions between the humans and the autobots endearing last time was the lack thereof; they barely spoke, so the cheese-level was low.



Haha, sorry Ito.

Kinda like how the droids suddenly developed personalities in Star Wars 3 or whatever, and could feel pain and such huh.
 
Kinda like how the droids suddenly developed personalities in Star Wars 3 or whatever, and could feel pain and such huh.

Exactly. Non-humans in movies are most effective when they keep speaking to a minimum. See: Terminator 1-2, Wall-E, Johnny # 5, R2D2, Bumblebee in the first T-Formers, etc., etc for evidence. For the complete opposite of this effectiveness, see: Terminator in T3, C3PO, all the Autobots in T-Formers 2, etc. Robots are robots and, because of this, they shouldn't act like humans. What naturally arises when you start giving animate-objects speaking roles is the thought, "Well how the **** would they know to say this, and act like that?" The answer is, not surprisingly: they do not. Why? Because they are a ****ing robots, that's why. You give them human-like communication in robot-form, such as R2D2's beeps, Wall-E's eye movement, T2 trying to give the thumbs-up, and Bumblebee's radio-bit. It really seeks to achieve the same thing - making an emotional connection with something inherently unemotional - but does it in a "believable" way. When they speak too much, it seems stupid and forced.
 
Exactly. Non-humans in movies are most effective when they keep speaking to a minimum. See: Terminator 1-2, Wall-E, Johnny # 5, R2D2, Bumblebee in the first T-Formers, etc., etc for evidence. For the complete opposite of this effectiveness, see: Terminator in T3, C3PO, all the Autobots in T-Formers 2, etc. Robots are robots and, because of this, they shouldn't act like humans. What naturally arises when you start giving animate-objects speaking roles is the thought, "Well how the **** would they know to say this, and act like that?" The answer is, not surprisingly: they do not. Why? Because they are a ****ing robots, that's why. You give them human-like communication in robot-form, such as R2D2's beeps, Wall-E's eye movement, T2 trying to give the thumbs-up, and Bumblebee's radio-bit. It really seeks to achieve the same thing - making an emotional connection with something inherently unemotional - but does it in a "believable" way. When they speak too much, it seems stupid and forced.


i don't mind robots having alot of dialogue, but your right it should be believable. Robots should not know about emotions, they should question them and why we feel them.

However the Autobots are from another world, in these movies its best to just sit back, accept them as they are. I find it easiest to just assume its a reality outside of our own, where maybe those things are possible. This also helps me accept some movies as just entertainment, and separate them from ones that are truly worth something.
 
The geek level of this thread just Transformed this board right before my eyes. :bigeyes:

LOL. Hey we, as lifters, have the right to "geek out". We earn it lol. I am sorry, no matter how much I lift, or even if I was dating Megan Fox herself I would geek out over certain things. I seen Scooby snack gram crackers in a store last year and got as exited as a 5 year old kid. My friend still hasnt let me live that one down...
 
LOL. Hey we, as lifters, have the right to "geek out". We earn it lol. I am sorry, no matter how much I lift, or even if I was dating Megan Fox herself I would geek out over certain things. I seen Scooby snack gram crackers in a store last year and got as exited as a 5 year old kid. My friend still hasnt let me live that one down...

And there is nothing wrong with scooby crackers . I keep a bottle of flintstone vitamins in my house to thiss day !!! How we roll is how we roll .
 
Ive still heard mixed reviews from people. Its all about personal preference.

Its like with Terminator Salvation. I am a BIG fan of the Terminator series, and noticed many little details thrown into the movie that others did not. I still think T1, and T2 were better but they were also completely different. Most of the people I talked to later on were not impressed with the movie.
 
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Loved it. Take it for what it is, a Bay film, it was never going to be a masterpiece.

I was half expecting the secret weapon they were going to fire from the naval ship to be Jean Claude Van Damme naked.
 
Loved it. Take it for what it is, a Bay film, it was never going to be a masterpiece.

I was half expecting the secret weapon they were going to fire from the naval ship to be Jean Claude Van Damme naked.

:jester:

You know that is a real naval weapon by the way. Its not just props for the movie, we have some naval ships that use that technology.
 
I went to the midnight showing on opening night with the wife. I've been a transformers' geek myself since i was a little kid. I agree the plot for T2 was awful, but the action was simply amazing at times. I still had that same moment of horror when Optimus Prime gets killed; just like in the cartoon movie years ago. The presentation of "Devastator" was a HUGE let-down; pretty lame actually. How the hell can you have the Constructicons/Devastator and not have the Dinobots? Overall, i was pleased with the movie, but it could have been done much better in terms of the plot/story line.

I couldn't give two-****s myself what the movie critics have to say as they rip apart this movie. Half of the movies they praise i personally believe to be complete and utter garbage myself; it's nothing more than subjective feedback at its finest. I'll pass on the "kool-aid" the movie critics' are passing out.

IMO - It was a pretty good movie overall, but could have been better. I left the theatre fairly pleased in the end. Take it for what it was i guess...

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I saw it Wednesday. They had it open to some of the Brass, so I went. It wasn't as good as the first one, which was/is one bad ass movie, but it's still better than what some are reporting. And Megan, well, I'll just leave it at this...
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The best movie thus far this summer, The Hangover; I laughed like there's no tomorrow.

great breasts but her legs look like they're lacking something........ yeah thighs.
 
didnt read any replies...

action scenes = fkn awesome

story line = cactus

if you're a true transformers fan and watched the original G1 US cartoon series... you already will know these 2 michael bay films totally **** the story line up
 
didnt read any replies...

action scenes = fkn awesome

story line = cactus

if you're a true transformers fan and watched the original G1 US cartoon series... you already will know these 2 michael bay films totally **** the story line up

what movie doesnt usually? Very few pull off the transfer of a story just right. I remember watching the original tunes, but I sure as poo cant remember the story lol. Autobots smashing decepticons....and thats about it.
 
I was a little disappointed in the first and second one; but only because of what Megatron and Soundwave were. They f*cked that up from the 4:00 afternoon cartoon for sure.
 
I decided to see this movie for the "so bad it's funny" effect, and this was definitely one of 5 worst movies that I've ever seen. The writing and plotholes were horrible, but those were discussed in that article posted earlier. I'll just mention a few more terrible things about it.

Every 10 shots had to be with Sam and crew standing on top of a mountain with the camera spinning around them, or Sam and Michaela kissing with the camera circling around them, or Sam dying with the helicopter hovering overhead, or one of the million shots with main characters running in slow mo with explosions in the background, etc. Every shot is some overdone annoying stereotype from other movies yet somehow made way more obnoxious than the original it's copying. Then the scene with the Fallen and Megatron first talking felt like a complete ripoff of the Emporer talking to Darth in SW. Roomate dude "snuggling" with Turturo's arm during a nap - so overdone. It's just nauseating.

People say turn off your brain and enjoy the action, but where was the action during the middle portion of the movie. There was like an hour with little action where the 6-year-old penned plot was laid out. This movie tried to have a lot of plot yet no one remotely intelligent thought it out. Where the **** was the editor on this one? There are so many useless scenes. Then in the final battle with the new Optimus, he just destroys old badass the Fallen in 30 seconds? Horrible.

This movie was so bad that it was funny for maybe an hour, then it just got bad period. I just couldn't understand anyone liking this movie. It's embarrassing.
 
I thought this film was all over the place. It had that "another teen movie/american pie rip off and humor to it yet trying to stuff it in a PG-13 rating. Too much perversion and sexuality for a 80's cartoon re-make. The first one was better and it made me wanna watch the cartoons again. They destroyed the story.
 
How the f**k did they fit that much awesomeness into a little tiny DVD ?!Micheal Bay is not happy unless the earth is about to explode for one rreason or another and we as movie watchers get to reap the benifits . Movie rocked and was even fun to watch on my 32 in screen so I could imagine it in theaters or Imax ! Action was top notch , Meagan Fox and that robot chick-:spankme: , as for the arguement of the plotline ; honestly :gives: . It was a Bay film about some toys kids play with . Bad guys were trying to do one thing , good guys were trying to stop them and save the world . If you read into it more than that then you are wound way too tightly and probably thought the Ninja Turtles werent historically accurate .
Better than part 1 !!!
 
How the f**k did they fit that much awesomeness into a little tiny DVD ?!Micheal Bay is not happy unless the earth is about to explode for one rreason or another and we as movie watchers get to reap the benifits . Movie rocked and was even fun to watch on my 32 in screen so I could imagine it in theaters or Imax ! Action was top notch , Meagan Fox and that robot chick-:spankme: , as for the arguement of the plotline ; honestly :gives: . It was a Bay film about some toys kids play with . Bad guys were trying to do one thing , good guys were trying to stop them and save the world . If you read into it more than that then you are wound way too tightly and probably thought the Ninja Turtles werent historically accurate .
Better than part 1 !!!

Dude, this went beyond accuracy and into an intolerable fucking stupidity. I would counter that if you watched this movie and thought anything else than, "Wow, that is sort of shiny - but how fucking stupid does he assume I am?" you need to leave the house more!
 
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