Topical 7-Keto

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Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.
 
LG Sciences said:
Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.
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I've personally had the BEST results re cortisol control, etc. with TOPICAL 7-OH DHEA and 7-oxo DHEA, and was NOT happy when the original DermaTherm was discontinued, so something similar I would definitely love!
 
LG Sciences said:
Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.
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7-OH-Etiocholanolone has great oral bioavailability :food:

7-oxo-DHEA (7-keto-DHEA): this has a terrible oral availability and an even worse half life (2 hours). This is best taken transdermally

one for cortisol (fat loss) and another for the thyroids!
 
I would definitely buy it! Any thoughts of including 5-AT in there?
 
Sounds awesome. I'd definitely be interested in this.
 
I am down for givin it a try
 
Sign me up for that; been wanting to use a topical 7-oxo for a while. I volunteer for beta testing :-).
 
I know Patrick Arnold has a 7-keto spray (with 5-AT as well, I think), but it's relatively expensive at around $50 and apparently VERY limited supplies. I also remember BN used to sell a topical 7-OXO product, and as far as I remember it got great reviews. I really hope LG decides to go full steam ahead with this product!
 
I think Prototype Nutrition already offers this same exact thing.
 
dsade said:
I think PAs is 11-KT spray (which is also VERY effective).
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He's got two now.

And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
 
jdrannin1 said:
He's got two now.

And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
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He was here a couple of week ago for a visit...he was telling me that the Res spray is his mainstay right now, and he's feeling incredible.

I'm going to have to give it a go.
 
hell yeah!
 
dsade said:
He was here a couple of week ago for a visit...he was telling me that the Res spray is his mainstay right now, and he's feeling incredible.

I'm going to have to give it a go.
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No doubt. I don't think I've been let down by anything he's made.
 
I also like LG topicals quite a bit...so, count me in for the 7-keto ASAP.
 
I am definitely down for this. Ab-Solved was tha shiznit back in the day. Anyway, I've been a long time user of TD 7-OXO. It'll be nice that I don't have to do any homebrewing. LOL. :D

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-
 
I'd like to see this made nothing better than a good topical. But yes to other people saying PA does have a 7-keto on his Prototype Nutrition line, I've been meaning to try the R-Spray for sure.
 
dsade said:
I think PAs is 11-KT spray (which is also VERY effective).
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jdrannin1 said:
He's got two now.

And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
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yep is called 7-Spray: 7-Keto DHEA Acetate + B-Androstenetriol (b-triol)


B-Androstenetriol (b-triol) "This is one of the better cortisol suppressors. It has a terrible oral bioavailability, and should be taken transdermally"
 
dsade said:
I also like LG topicals quite a bit...so, count me in for the 7-keto ASAP.
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How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?
 
Milas said:
How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?
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Eviscerate use a localized carrier but 7-keto is hormonal so their need a systematic carrier :bigeyes:

the fat loss of 7-keto is lowering cortisol
 
MAxximal said:
Eviscerate use a localized carrier but 7-keto is hormonal so their need a systematic carrier :bigeyes:

the fat loss of 7-keto is lowering cortisol
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Would 7-Keto need to be systemic? Couldn't you just target the local area where cortisol would be controlled? Granted some may circulate systematically, but just because it's hormonal doesn't mean you need a systemic carrier, do you?
 
Milas said:
Would 7-Keto need to be systemic? Couldn't you just target the local area where cortisol would be controlled? Granted some may circulate systematically, but just because it's hormonal doesn't mean you need a systemic carrier, do you?
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from PP old Dermatherm


7-keto DHEA. Using this compound in an topical delivery system dramatically increases its bioavailability and thermogenic potential. The skin creates the perfect timed release depot for 7-keto so levels are kept high all day long, after just one application. What's even more exciting is that 7-keto is the precursor to an even more thermogenic fat burning hormone known as 7-beta DHEA. When 7-keto passes the skin, much of it interacts with the hormonal enzyme CYP11B1, which rapidly converts the 7-keto to 7-beta DHEA.
 
Milas said:
How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?
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7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
 
dsade said:
7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
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This true
 
dsade said:
7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
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Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
 
Milas said:
Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
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Stacking BOTH topicals would be effective - I stacked DermaTherm and Eviscerate together and loved the results :)
 
Milas said:
Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
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VAT fat is surrounding the organs and not likely to contribute much to the love handle area. Love handles are all SAT fat, which Eviscerate attacks nicely.

Be aware that the VAT fat is the dangerous fat.

I miss Ab-Solved.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Stacking BOTH topicals would be effective - I stacked DermaTherm and Eviscerate together and loved the results :)
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Par Deus of Avant labs had a bunch of info of why stacking the two was a bad idea, and to instead rotate the products. It has been years since reading his stuff, but the man was brilliant.
 
I remember one thing Par Deus stated, was the carrier for SAT fat attacking products must be Hydropholic and for VAT it must be Lipopholic (Maybe I have it backwards, cant remember) and that stacking the two would cause competition at the dermis and render each product much less effective than if utilizing them separate.
 
dsade said:
7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
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After reading this, I would absolutely love to run a round of topical 7-keto and follow it up with the Eviscerate...sounds incredibly impressive.
 
DAdams91982 said:
VAT fat is surrounding the organs and not likely to contribute much to the love handle area. Love handles are all SAT fat, which Eviscerate attacks nicely.

Be aware that the VAT fat is the dangerous fat.

I miss Ab-Solved.
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DAdams91982 said:
Par Deus of Avant labs had a bunch of info of why stacking the two was a bad idea, and to instead rotate the products. It has been years since reading his stuff, but the man was brilliant.
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DAdams91982 said:
I remember one thing Par Deus stated, was the carrier for SAT fat attacking products must be Hydropholic and for VAT it must be Lipopholic (Maybe I have it backwards, cant remember) and that stacking the two would cause competition at the dermis and render each product much less effective than if utilizing them separate.
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Legendary :D
 
DAdams91982 said:
Par Deus of Avant labs had a bunch of info of why stacking the two was a bad idea, and to instead rotate the products. It has been years since reading his stuff, but the man was brilliant.
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We're talking right now about bringin back a limited run of Absolved.

The problem with stacking is that metabolically active tissue can only "process" so much free fatty acids at one time...best to tackle VAT issues (as you pointed out, a dangerous fatty deposit around organs) first then worry about SAT as you get leaner.
 
dsade said:
We're talking right now about bringin back a limited run of Absolved.

The problem with stacking is that metabolically active tissue can only "process" so much free fatty acids at one time...best to tackle VAT issues (as you pointed out, a dangerous fatty deposit around organs) first then worry about SAT as you get leaner.
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I would love me some AbSolved in the old carrier from Avant. I have tried other topical 7-Ketos and they just did not stack up. Seems like a common problem when people copy Avant products... SesaThin much?
 
DAdams91982 said:
I would love me some AbSolved in the old carrier from Avant. I have tried other topical 7-Ketos and they just did not stack up. Seems like a common problem when people copy Avant products... SesaThin much?
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The original supplier that I contracted out for SesaThin got VERY greedy very quickly, and not only doubled his price but increased his minimums 5 fold.

If I can find the same quality of material, you will definitely see Liquid SesaThin make a return.
 
dsade said:
The original supplier that I contracted out for SesaThin got VERY greedy very quickly, and not only doubled his price but increased his minimums 5 fold.

If I can find the same quality of material, you will definitely see Liquid SesaThin make a return.
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OMG MAN YOU WISH KILL ME!!!!!!!
:food:
 
DAdams91982 said:
VAT fat is surrounding the organs and not likely to contribute much to the love handle area. Love handles are all SAT fat, which Eviscerate attacks nicely.

Be aware that the VAT fat is the dangerous fat.

I miss Ab-Solved.
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Thanks for the clarification on VAT/SAT.

So if you're relatively lean like 10-14% bf, Eviscerate would be better for love handles and other SAT?

7-Keto would be better for those with more VAT, but wouldn't affect areas like love handles, etc.? Would you notice a visual/aesthetic difference with 7-Keto?
 
Milas said:
Thanks for the clarification on VAT/SAT.

So if you're relatively lean like 10-14% bf, Eviscerate would be better for love handles and other SAT?

7-Keto would be better for those with more VAT, but wouldn't affect areas like love handles, etc.? Would you notice a visual/aesthetic difference with 7-Keto?
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Most definitely. Cortisol is a leading factor in accruing VAT fat, hence the effectiveness of 7-Keto. Basically if you can pinch your stomach/love handle and feel the fat, go for the eviscerate.
 
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