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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

chocolatemilk said:
Lyfespan, arms are trained on every back or chest exercise one can do. Aren't your biceps soar the day after you work out your back? Considering you work out your back hard enough they will be.

Please don't tell me that is your workout schedule? You will see some slow progress working out in such a slow pace like that.
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says the 185lber....why dont you critique lifting styles after you put on some size son. :buttkick::newbie::bryce:
 
mooch2321 said:
says the 185lber....why dont you critique lifting styles after you put on some size son. :buttkick::newbie::bryce:
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I'm actually 197-199 right now pooch.

180 pre cycle.

+17 and +19 from my first cycle right now.

Oh my God...... I must be doing something right.

That's all I have to say to you. I'm not wasting my time on you pooch.
 
LYFESPAN... Sorry if I came off rude in my post to you.

Every muscle you mentioned to work out in that week... I hit them all in 3 days. This also means I hit them more frequently. 2x a week to be exact. Whole days devoted to small muscle groups will yield small results. That's all I was saying.
 
wow...you ran superdrol. Lets see how much of that bloat you keep buddy.....one thing yo need to learn "little guy" is there is always someone bigger and better. theres no need for unsolicited advice, especially when your advice might be dead wrong for that individual. sooooo, without further adu..... :bryce: :tool::lame::crackhead:




:smileeek: that just happened!!! :toofunny:
 
mooch2321 said:
wow...you ran superdrol. Lets see how much of that bloat you keep buddy.....one thing yo need to learn "little guy" is there is always someone bigger and better. theres no need for unsolicited advice, especially when your advice might be dead wrong for that individual. sooooo, without further adu..... :bryce: :tool::lame::crackhead:




:smileeek: that just happened!!! :toofunny:
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You need to relax man. :thumbsdown:
 
What are you talking about?

If someone hits each muscle group 2x a week without over-training and someone hits each muscle group 1x a week ...who will make better progress.

That is universal advice and can be applied to anyone who wants to build muscle.

Instead of making stupid remarks like you are known for (I've never heard one useful thing come out of your mouth) why don't you argue what I'm saying instead of denouncing it with nothing factual. Grow you up you little kid.
 
chocolatemilk said:
LYFESPAN... Sorry if I came off rude in my post to you.

Every muscle you mentioned to work out in that week... I hit them all in 3 days. This also means I hit them more frequently. 2x a week to be exact. Whole days devoted to small muscle groups will yield small results. That's all I was saying.
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I werkout on a completely different level of thinking, especially while on cycle. I werkout to kill the part and have as much tyme from the next body part that will inadvertently werk the same part i just killed, Always being sure to werk the smaller muscle first.

So shoulders should be 3 days away from chest(I like more tyme between these 2), bi's 3 days before back, and yes tris are the day before chest, but theres a reason for this. Reason being that most guys cheat theirchest with their tri's, so if mine are fatigued, i tend to really have to use only my chest.

Make sense now?


Oh and the results i have gotten, i started off 1 1/2 yrs ago 154lbs@16-18%bf, and todays weight is 186@9-11%bf cycle weight has hit 198 for a high
 
chocolatemilk said:
What are you talking about?

If someone hits each muscle group 2x a week without over-training and someone hits each muscle group 1x a week ...who will make better progress.

That is universal advice and can be applied to anyone who wants to build muscle.

Instead of making stupid remarks like you are known for (I've never heard one useful thing come out of your mouth) why don't you argue what I'm saying instead of denouncing it with nothing factual. Grow you up you little kid.
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CM I can understand where you're coming from. When I was on cycle, I WAS able to hit every muscle group 2x a week, but as I came off, if I wanted to put up big enough weight, I had to keep it to once a week, however, I don't rest for 3 days straight. I rotate my 3 day split. On cycle protein synthesis is greater, and so it makes more sense that recovery would be faster but every one is different. Some people can do a full body workout 3 times a week and make good progress. I can't.

I am up 17 lbs after my superdrol/epi bridge, 3 weeks into PCT with somewhat decent rebound of natty test levels, so I think that the end result of a cycle will also vary from individual to individual. Remember that here we are offering suggestions, while at the same time accepting that every method does not give consistent results. Let's keep the arguing to a minimum and quit derailing Unreal's thread.
 
UM I'm sorry for starting this in your log I didn't mean to. I'm gonna lay low for a little bit.

Pooch I've been off of Superdrol for three weeks now so I doubt there is much bloat going on. I'm in the drying phase of cycle.

Lyfespan I got you.
 
SouthernCharm said:
When I was on cycle, I WAS able to hit every muscle group 2x a week, but as I came off, if I wanted to put up big enough weight, I had to keep it to once a week
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Precisely.. gotta gear your regimine to your recovery time
 
mooch2321 said:
wow...you ran superdrol. Lets see how much of that bloat you keep buddy.....one thing yo need to learn "little guy" is there is always someone bigger and better. theres no need for unsolicited advice, especially when your advice might be dead wrong for that individual. sooooo, without further adu..... :bryce: :tool::lame::crackhead:




:smileeek: that just happened!!! :toofunny:
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LOL Mooch :D...

Dont worry CM, it is just Mooch being Mooch haha... He does this to a lot of people, dont feel singled out.. xD
 
mooch is on clomid LOL
 
And if your bi's and tri's are getting that burned doing back and chest then u prob need some help on your form buddy boy
 
hmower said:
And if your bi's and tri's are getting that burned doing back and chest then u prob need some help on your form buddy boy
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Wrong.

Compound movements utilized in most back exercises incorporate 2 or more joints moving, thus allowing more weight to be moved and thus causing more motor units that innervate the bicep to fire than isolated bicep work
 
hmower said:
If u want bigger arms u need more than just a couple sets after a chest or back workout end of story. UNLESS u are noob. In fact i have an arm day and i do a lil tris and bis with my chest and back.
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Who doesnt have an arm day? Im just saying it is normal for biceps or triceps to be slightly sore after a back or chest workout..
 
Yeah if you're hitting compound movements, and you busted ass then your arms are gonna feel it. No doubt about it
 
gamer2be08 said:
Who doesnt have an arm day? Im just saying it is normal for biceps or triceps to be slightly sore after a back or chest workout..
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No no no. I was referring to CM who said he doesn't know anyone other than unreal who has an arms day. Just said he prob doesn't know many people who work out
 
hmower said:
If u want bigger arms u need more than just a couple sets after a chest or back workout end of story. UNLESS u are noob. In fact i have an arm day and i do a lil tris and bis with my chest and back.
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Everyone's situation is unique. I for one hardly ever work my biceps and triceps because they grow too fast. It's no different than some people having gifted traps. They don't need to do shrugs because they get all they need with deadlifts.
 
bezoe said:
Wrong.

Compound movements utilized in most back exercises incorporate 2 or more joints moving, thus allowing more weight to be moved and thus causing more motor units that innervate the bicep to fire than isolated bicep work
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UMMMM MORON!!!!!! And u prob have what 16 or 17 arms at your weight? Tell me please. I'd love to compare physiques with yo fat ass
 
The_Reverend said:
Everyone's situation is unique. I for one hardly ever work my biceps and triceps because they grow too fast. It's no different than some people having gifted traps. They don't need to do shrugs because they get all they need with deadlifts.
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Ha ha yeah i got really big traps, and rear delts and upper back. I get alot of guys bigger than me asking what i do for those exercises to get them so big lol
 
The_Reverend said:
Wow. This thread has spawned quite a few hate boners.
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Dude im no hater. He's a moron if he thinks doing a lat pulldown puts more stress on the bicep than an iso bicep exercise. If u do compound movements properly than there is basically a primary and secondary muscle used.(e.g. back-primary bicep-secondary.) I shouldn't even need to say this
 
hmower said:
Ha ha yeah i got really big traps, and rear delts and upper back. I get alot of guys bigger than me asking what i do for those exercises to get them so big lol
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I hate people like you. I have to hit my traps 2 times a week, excluding deads, just to get a slight amount of stimulation.
 
hmower said:
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Dude im no hater. He's a moron if he thinks doing a lat pulldown puts more stress on the bicep than an iso bicep exercise. If u do compound movements properly than there is basically a primary and secondary muscle used.(e.g. back-primary bicep-secondary.) I shouldn't even need to say this
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It's not the things people are saying, but more the way people are saying things lately that has caught my attention. That's all.
 
16 or 17 arms? what are you babbling? At my height and 190 i think you should heed some advice homeboy..

Everybody here knows what a primary and secondary muscle is in a lift.. whats that gotta do with motor neuron recruitment? Objective EMG measurement PROVE closed chain movements are superior to open chain in terms of muscle effort

Name calling makes you look infantile, especially when your small, probably weak, and cant come up with any evidence to back youre nonsense statements.
 
hmower said:
UMMMM MORON!!!!!! And u prob have what 16 or 17 arms at your weight? Tell me please. I'd love to compare physiques with yo fat ass
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i just deciphered what your incoherent sentence meant. Try 19 and a quarter
 
gamer2be08 said:
My upper back is too big compared to the rest of my body.. So is my chest.. :D
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Bastard!!! :rasp:

I try so hard to be proportional that I really did stop working my arms for a couple months. Now I just work em a little here and there. It's working pretty well so far.
 
bezoe said:
16 or 17 arms? what are you babbling? At my height and 190 i think you should heed some advice homeboy..

Everybody here knows what a primary and secondary muscle is in a lift.. whats that gotta do with motor neuron recruitment? Objective EMG measurement PROVE closed chain movements are superior to open chain in terms of muscle effort

Name calling makes you look infantile, especially when your small, probably weak, and cant come up with any evidence to back youre nonsense statements.
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I think u misinterpret the study or studies u are looking at. And u weigh 230 with heavy steroid use im sure. Congrats dude lol. Whats ur bf? Im at 8% and could b as low as 5. Im just eating dirty as fock to put on some weight.

Oh and u never said how big your arms are which tells me i was right. U might have 17's haha. I had 17's at 180 lbs. Can u say the same?? I know how to put muscle on my arms. Ur advice is horrendous
 
The_Reverend said:
Bastard!!! :rasp:

I try so hard to be proportional that I really did stop working my arms for a couple months. Now I just work em a little here and there. It's working pretty well so far.
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Dude, it takes me forever to get my arms to grow.. FOREVER.. I envy you.. My chest and back grow too fast..
 
hmower said:
I think u misinterpret the study or studies u are looking at. And u weigh 230 with heavy steroid use im sure. Congrats dude lol. Whats ur bf? Im at 8% and could b as low as 5. Im just eating dirty as fock to put on some weight.

Oh and u never said how big your arms are which tells me i was right. U might have 17's haha. I had 17's at 180 lbs. Can u say the same?? I know how to put muscle on my arms. Ur advice is horrendous
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man i was 225 without AAS lol and im 238 and leaner now... no not cut, about 15 or 16%. i weighed more than you do now before i started lifting lol

im sorry you cant gain weight bro, just s***y genetics for mass perhaps

And FYI, i never said not to do direct arm work, just that compound lifts will stimulate the muscle more. I dont want you to take my "horrendous" advice, just keep doing what your doing and stay small and "cut"
 
bezoe said:
man i was 225 without AAS lol and im 238 and leaner now... no not cut, about 15 or 16%. i weighed more than you do now before i started lifting lol

im sorry you cant gain weight bro, just s***y genetics for mass perhaps

And FYI, i never said not to do direct arm work, just that compound lifts will stimulate the muscle more. I dont want you to take my "horrendous" advice, just keep doing what your doing and stay small and "cut"
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Not according to some old threads u started. U were what a little over 200 when doing your "1st injectable". And not to mention the designers b4 that. Little thing called thread search dumb ass.

And if u got 19's then my arms are as big as zack khan's lol.
Not hard to put on fat. Cut down to my bf% and you'd b what 200 lbs? Fat ass.Saw your avi pic ur right you have no cuts lol
 
hmower said:
No no no. I was referring to CM who said he doesn't know anyone other than unreal who has an arms day. Just said he prob doesn't know many people who work out
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hmower said:
UMMMM MORON!!!!!! And u prob have what 16 or 17 arms at your weight? Tell me please. I'd love to compare physiques with yo fat ass
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Hmower, you misinterpreted what I said. Read it again please, I don't want to explain myself.

Listen, nobody in here will take you seriously if you talk like that. From the sounds of it you have an impressive physique. If your stats are true then what you have to say has some merit in it for the shear fact that you can back up what you say with your physique.

That's the only proof we have in the bodybuilding world where it's full of "opinions" on what works and what doesn't. Our bodies.

So lets cut this crap of battling opinions. Just state what works for you and if need be prove it with pictures.

Personally, I'm 197-199 on SD/Epi bridge cycle arms closing in on 17 inches with LOTS of definition (they were 16 inches pre cycle at 180 pounds so I have larger arms then the norm). I never do an arms day. I hit up bi's for a couple exercises after back workout 2x a week. Tri's the same thing, 2 exercises, 2x a week, after chest workout.

There... just tell us what works for you. We're here to learn. Not be right about everything.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Hmower, you misinterpreted what I said. Read it again please, I don't want to explain myself.

Listen, nobody in here will take you seriously if you talk like that. From the sounds of it you have an impressive physique. If your stats are true then what you have to say has some merit in it for the shear fact that you can back up what you say with your physique.

That's the only proof we have in the bodybuilding world where it's full of "opinions" on what works and what doesn't. Our bodies.

So lets cut this crap of battling opinions. Just state what works for you and if need be prove it with pictures.

Personally, I'm 197-199 on SD/Epi bridge cycle arms closing in on 17 inches with LOTS of definition (they were 16 inches pre cycle at 180 pounds so I have larger arms then the norm). I never do an arms day. I hit up bi's for a couple exercises after back workout 2x a week. Tri's the same thing, 2 exercises, 2x a week, after chest workout.

There... just tell us what works for you. We're here to learn. Not be right about everything.
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Absolutely my man i just get real mad when i see someone say that a compound back exercise requires more muscle effort from the bicep than lets say a barbell curl. And of course this is all according to proper form. I see alot of people "curl" when doing rows lol. Maybe he falls into that category.

Not hatin on anyone just trying to get the truth out there.
 
hmower said:
Not according to some old threads u started. U were what a little over 200 when doing your "1st injectable". And not to mention the designers b4 that. Little thing called thread search dumb ass.

And if u got 19's then my arms are as big as zack khan's lol.
Not hard to put on fat. Cut down to my bf% and you'd b what 200 lbs? Fat ass.Saw your avi pic ur right you have no cuts lol
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dumbass? fatass? why you callin names? say somethin with some merit and intelligence

i dont have to explain anything to you but since you brought it up and thought you revealed some mysterious secret sherlock lol, i bulked to 225 before i cut to 200 before i used injects.. try using that thing god gave you called a brain, albeit a small one

i like that you doubt my arms are 19in.. just reassures me im better. Just wish we could make a bet so i could stick that s*** in your face in person and see the dazed look on your skinny face

bottom line is i know more about exercise physiology as well as being able to put it to use, period.
 
hmower said:
Absolutely my man i just get real mad when i see someone say that a compound back exercise requires more muscle effort from the bicep than lets say a barbell curl. And of course this is all according to proper form. I see alot of people "curl" when doing rows lol. Maybe he falls into that category.

Not hatin on anyone just trying to get the truth out there.
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man you are the epidome of a hater. What truth? Your subjective opinion? What formal education do you have on the topic?
 
Seriously what up with all this negative talk I smell a banning. Seriously I undersyand challengin opinions its best way to acquire knowledge but insults just really put you down my eyes
 
bezoe said:
dumbass? fatass? why you callin names? say somethin with some merit and intelligence

i dont have to explain anything to you but since you brought it up and thought you revealed some mysterious secret sherlock lol, i bulked to 225 before i cut to 200 before i used injects.. try using that thing god gave you called a brain, albeit a small one

i like that you doubt my arms are 19in.. just reassures me im better. Just wish we could make a bet so i could stick that s*** in your face in person and see the dazed look on your skinny face

bottom line is i know more about exercise physiology as well as being able to put it to use, period.
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You know to put it to use? How so? Your 16% bf or more in my opinion. I think u should have kept cutting. U look like like dog **** when it comes to body building. Maybe ur a power lifter lol
 
And now u in red, learn respect
 
dude, no one cares, when u start disrespecting ppl, no one cares what u say
 
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