think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

Having oral withdraws are we?
 
UnrealMachine said:
day 58

232 lbs

back day

real t-bar rows (v-grip): 4plates*15, 5plates*15, 5.5plates*15
plate-loaded iso-pulldowns: 270*12, 320*8, 180*25
db rows: 120*15, 140*6, 140*6 (****ing grip slip, ****ing pissed me off, stupid dumbells)
plate-loaded iso row machine: 145*10, 160*10, 180*10

Good workout, tried to get in a lot of quality reps today. Dumbell rows pissed me off, 120 was easy as hell, 140 i just could not grip. I had straps, but the dumbell would just start to spin and unravel the straps and i'd be gripping with the sweaty tips of my fingers, no good. My grip slipping is a major problem. It doesn't help that i sweat like a mofo during my workouts.
I mean by the end of every workout, my shirt is completely wet, drenched in sweat, NO exaggeration ok. Like 75% of the surface area of the shirt is just completely wet.
I work hard.

Anyway major PR on those iso rows, thats 4 plates per arm. The straps work great on the iso rows because the bar can't spin and let the straps unravel. So PR by 20 pounds on those lol... They are so easy, everytime I go for an increase I can make it no problem. I'll keep increasing those things.


In the last couple months i've gotten the most improvement out of my back. Weird that i can still squeeze out strength gains even when my weight dips and IMO i am not looking any leaner. I think a huge part of it is just an endurance increase from Jack3d letting me get more reps into each set.
I also think the Jack3d is why i'm sweating so much, it just allows me to work harder/longer and use more energy on any given set.

I usually hate supps cuz most of them suck but IMO jack3d is really making a difference in my workouts. And this is only 2 scoops.

Actually now that I think about it my workouts are doing better on this cycle with a low amount of test + Jack3d than they were last cycle with over 1gram of test and no jack3d LOL.
Jack3d > Testosterone Lmao.
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you think that jack3d is good by its self grab sum bulk agmatine(sp) and add sum of that to the jack3d
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah well that's how it is. Jack3d actually makes a difference in the gym, test is like i've said, a barely noticable difference from natural lifting. When I came off the orals I kept increasing calories and my weight dropped and then leveled out. And honestly i am not looking any leaner... I think i look worse than I did 2 weeks ago. I think i gained fat in the last 2 weeks from eating so many calories. It's happened before. Unlike orals there's 0 nutrient repartitioning. So i try to bulk and i just get fat. Just like natural lifting.

Anyway i don't care, i'm going to start the halodrol soon at a high dose and ramp up T3 so i'm going to start looking GOOD and that's what I care about.
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All I want to know is how many livers do you keep in the freezer. Well, how many? :jester:
 
Jasen said:
Having oral withdraws are we?
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bigtime! just 1 cap a day of SD and i know my gains would pick up again. And if i actually cycled SD again I would probably break past 240 and be stronger than ever.

Anyway the plan is Halodrol 75/100/125/150/150/150 and if that doesnt cut it then i'm going to pulse 20mg of SD on workout days on top of that. I have to have enough anabolic power to pump lots of T3 and cardio.

I want to drop like 4% BF during that 6 week period without losing more than 10 pounds so that's teh goal.

The_Reverend said:
All I want to know is how many livers do you keep in the freezer. Well, how many? :jester:
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well there's tradeoffs, i don't think i get as much from most steroids as most people do... however i generally have a much greater tolerance for them, including my liver's tolerance. I know from my bloodwork that my liver can handle more than average, and most people are pretty conservative in their estimate of what an average liver can handle
 
Lol alreast ur honest about withdraw, I hated gettin of anadrol plus now I really don't wanna get of tren ace
 
Unreal, during your cut will you be eating at maintenance or slightly above?
 
Cassavus said:
Unreal, during your cut will you be eating at maintenance or slightly above?
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Slightly above. Between T3, the gym, and the additional exercise i'm getting each day, i'll achieve enough fatloss.

My maintenance at 220 pounds was ~3000 calories so it can't be much higher now. I'm planning on eating around 3500.

Last couple weeks i was just shy of 4000. I'm starting to lower it already.

Jasen said:
Lol alreast ur honest about withdraw, I hated gettin of anadrol plus now I really don't wanna get of tren ace
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ah yeah i think its well known now that i am semi addicted to Superdrol and if i could i would run it for the rest of my life.

chocolatemilk said:
If you reach that goal.. I'll be speechless..
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Me too, it would be just over 220 pounds and like 7% bodyfat, that's my goal, same as last year but 8 pounds heavier. Dunno if i can really do it. But see it doesn't matter, i'll try as hard as I can and that's what matters.

Big question is: will halodrol deliver for me? I am expecting nothing but hardness/vascularity even from >100mg dosing so if that doesn't cause any actual gains then you see it wouldn't stop the T3 from eating down my bodyweight... So in that case scenario i'd have to throw in SD in a pulse to try to salvage that portion of the cycle. And in that case I will probably not make my goal. So it is my hope that high doses of halodrol will have SOME kind of muscle building effect

I do not actually need to build muscle to accomplish this though.
232 pounds @ 11% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM
222 pounds @ 7% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM

Essentially all I need to do is drop 10 pounds of pure fat in 6 weeks and have 100% muscle retention. But T3 is catabolic so I need some actual anabolic power. Not just testosterone cuz this stuff is weaksauce.
 
Same dude tren ace is my topsd is second. Yah diet wise we rsimilar its scary I'm 223 now and maintenance is 3000 give our take a few too cut ususlly around 2100
 
To go up 4000, to reach.245 its roughly 4500
 
UnrealMachine said:
i considered doing db's but i can comfortably rep 265 on incline so i'd be doing like say 120 dbs for my incline db bench and honestly i think i'm more likely to hurt myself trying to stabilize 120's over my head

anyone ever experienced what i call "sudden tricep failure" on a pressing motion? yeah thats the kind of stuff i'd be afraid of

up to 100 pounders, no problem, over 100 gets difficult to manage
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BarbellBeast said:
yeah i'm with you on that unreal, its too much ****ing around with db's, you waste half you're effort/strength getting them in place... but db's do have their place. IMO for other exercises, everyones different and responds different, nothing works as good as the incline bb press for me though, i don't get much out of flat or incline db presses. flat or incline fly's on the other had. well those are the shizzzz. really tear your **** up
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bigzach1234 said:
bro completely agree.. its funny.. i was doing 120s on db incline last week.. cause i had no spotter.. and wanted to go heavy.. left tricep was just so pumped it pretty much gave out on my last set.. could have easily dropped in on my head.. used half my energy getting the damn things up...
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nahhhhhhh... just gotta practice handling them properly. hell if you cant hold onto it, just drop it :bigok:

i dont like flat bb but i can do incline bb with no issues
 
Ever try chalk instead of straps for grip problem on the rows? I think that'd help big time. I've always hated straps. They always **** up my grip.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Me too, it would be just over 220 pounds and like 7% bodyfat, that's my goal, same as last year but 8 pounds heavier. Dunno if i can really do it. But see it doesn't matter, i'll try as hard as I can and that's what matters.

Big question is: will halodrol deliver for me? I am expecting nothing but hardness/vascularity even from >100mg dosing so if that doesn't cause any actual gains then you see it wouldn't stop the T3 from eating down my bodyweight... So in that case scenario i'd have to throw in SD in a pulse to try to salvage that portion of the cycle. And in that case I will probably not make my goal. So it is my hope that high doses of halodrol will have SOME kind of muscle building effect

I do not actually need to build muscle to accomplish this though.
232 pounds @ 11% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM
222 pounds @ 7% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM

Essentially all I need to do is drop 10 pounds of pure fat in 6 weeks and have 100% muscle retention. But T3 is catabolic so I need some actual anabolic power. Not just testosterone cuz this stuff is weaksauce.
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Testosterone is weaksauce haha.

I'm sure you can do it UM. I would just be speechless and :box: if you did though because that is quite the feat.

Were you using test and halodrol last year as your muscle preservative for the cut?
 
chocolatemilk said:
Testosterone is weaksauce haha.

I'm sure you can do it UM. I would just be speechless and :box: if you did though because that is quite the feat.

Were you using test and halodrol last year as your muscle preservative for the cut?
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i was using test stacked with PH Tren and then my tren gyno was so bad i dropped it and ran SD stacked with PP for the last couple weeks. All while on T3.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i was using test stacked with PH Tren and then my tren gyno was so bad i dropped it and ran SD stacked with PP for the last couple weeks. All while on T3.
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sounds like a hell of a ride!
 
Tomahawk88 said:
I like the idea about chalk. I can tell a big difference personally.
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Gym chalk is cheap as ****. like 8 bucks gets you 4-5 bricks that will last you years. The first time I used chalk my deadlift went up 20lbs and it still allows for your natural grip strength form (as i feel straps take away from natural grip strength).

You can get powdered chalk or liquid chalk.
 
yeah darkhalf chalk is the way to go.. cheap. i never use straps for deads.. only use straps for shrugs and sometimes bb rows. 1 brick of chalk has lasted me about a year now
 
my old gym was geared for old people and wasnt really a place you wanna deadlift (manager whos office was under the weight room used to come upstairs bitching after i did a set of deads)

anyway, these morons who helped with the local college baseball team had the bright idea one day they would use chalk during their workout (none of them do deads or bent rows either) they used a rossin bag and they had the s*** all over everything, the floor, the equipment.. manger was pissed
 
day 60

232 lbs

shoulders

plate-loaded iso shoulder press: 180*15, 230*8, 270*5, 180*18 (2 plates per side so easy, 3 per side is SO hard)
plate-loaded shrug machine: 12 plates*30*3 (6 plates per side kept it simple)
upright rows: 135*10, 145*10 (tried 155 went pretty poorly, bicep pump? made it difficult)
db lateral raises (1 arm at a time): 50*20, then 2 arms at a time 40*14 sooo dead
db front raises (1 arm at a time): 50*16
db rear raises: 35*22
Calve machine: double dropset, burned like a mofo

hmmm mediocre workout... see that volume was very low? I was feeling like crap at the end of my workout. Don't know why. Just wasn't feeling it very much. Whatever. The #s aren't bad but i couldn't do more sets than that at the end.
 
UnrealMachine said:
day 60

232 lbs

shoulders

plate-loaded iso shoulder press: 180*15, 230*8, 270*5, 180*18 (2 plates per side so easy, 3 per side is SO hard)
plate-loaded shrug machine: 12 plates*30*3 (6 plates per side kept it simple)
upright rows: 135*10, 145*10 (tried 155 went pretty poorly, bicep pump? made it difficult)
db lateral raises (1 arm at a time): 50*20, then 2 arms at a time 40*14 sooo dead
db front raises (1 arm at a time): 50*16
db rear raises: 35*22
Calve machine: double dropset, burned like a mofo

hmmm mediocre workout... see that volume was very low? I was feeling like crap at the end of my workout. Don't know why. Just wasn't feeling it very much. Whatever. The #s aren't bad but i couldn't do more sets than that at the end.
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Nice # on the shoulders, I also have been getting up there on that seated hammer strenght shoulder press, and noticed the same thing. Plate and a quarter per side 20reps, 2plates pre side 15, 2plates and a quarter 8, and 3 plates pre side just made me laugh could only get 2. But then again thoses are huge jumps up in weights.

So you starting to notice sum lethargy or what?
 
no lethargy i've never gotten that. but a few sets killed me then i had trouble catching my breath and i was sweating like a mofo, then my stomach felt like **** and then i felt like i didn't have much energy left.

i guess that's one reason i've always preferred low volume, low rep training is whenever i work my ass off on higher reps sets, my stomach starts going to **** and i need to take breaks or else i'll throw up. I've thrown up a lot when lifting too hard. And sometimes I can come back from it and keep lifting... but usually it's game over. So i try to avoid that, lol... Today doing 20 reps per arm with the lateral raises with the 50 pound dumbell killed me completely.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Slightly above. Between T3, the gym, and the additional exercise i'm getting each day, i'll achieve enough fatloss.

My maintenance at 220 pounds was ~3000 calories so it can't be much higher now. I'm planning on eating around 3500.

Last couple weeks i was just shy of 4000. I'm starting to lower it already.



ah yeah i think its well known now that i am semi addicted to Superdrol and if i could i would run it for the rest of my life.



Me too, it would be just over 220 pounds and like 7% bodyfat, that's my goal, same as last year but 8 pounds heavier. Dunno if i can really do it. But see it doesn't matter, i'll try as hard as I can and that's what matters.

Big question is: will halodrol deliver for me? I am expecting nothing but hardness/vascularity even from >100mg dosing so if that doesn't cause any actual gains then you see it wouldn't stop the T3 from eating down my bodyweight... So in that case scenario i'd have to throw in SD in a pulse to try to salvage that portion of the cycle. And in that case I will probably not make my goal. So it is my hope that high doses of halodrol will have SOME kind of muscle building effect

I do not actually need to build muscle to accomplish this though.
232 pounds @ 11% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM
222 pounds @ 7% bodyfat = 206.5 lbs of LBM
Essentially all I need to do is drop 10 pounds of pure fat in 6 weeks and have 100% muscle retention. But T3 is catabolic so I need some actual anabolic power. Not just testosterone cuz this stuff is weaksauce.
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hey unreal how do you figure out this numbers? I'd like to see where im at.
 
bodyweight - (bodyweight * bodyfat%) = lean body mass
 
UnrealMachine said:
i was using test stacked with PH Tren and then my tren gyno was so bad i dropped it and ran SD stacked with PP for the last couple weeks. All while on T3.
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Why don't you hit up some more SD/PP for the end if you were satisfied with the results for the cut last year. Why change what works? Your bloods give approval for some more SD/PP lol.

Anyways you can always salvage the cut if halodrol doesn't cut it as a muscle preserver. I'm sure you'll be watching physique changes closely enough to notice muscle loss and re-arrange the cycle.
 
yeah CM i'll pump whatever roids I need to in order to make it work. But i'd rather not rely on SD for absolutely everything. my bloodwork didn't include a lipid panel and the more SD i use the more my lipids are getting ****ed. I already use SD literally EVERY cycle and the transition into twice a cycle is quite a lot!

I'm hoping the halodrol will suffice, at those doses it would suffice for 90% of people. But if it doesn't i've got enough SD and PP and T3 to do whatever it takes to bring about GREAT SUCCESS.
 
UnrealMachine said:
yeah CM i'll pump whatever roids I need to in order to make it work. But i'd rather not rely on SD for absolutely everything. my bloodwork didn't include a lipid panel and the more SD i use the more my lipids are getting ****ed. I already use SD literally EVERY cycle and the transition into twice a cycle is quite a lot!

I'm hoping the halodrol will suffice, at those doses it would suffice for 90% of people. But if it doesn't i've got enough SD and PP and T3 to do whatever it takes to bring about GREAT SUCCESS.
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Run sd and anadrol together you will get all the strenght u want
 
UnrealMachine said:
no lethargy i've never gotten that. but a few sets killed me then i had trouble catching my breath and i was sweating like a mofo, then my stomach felt like **** and then i felt like i didn't have much energy left.

i guess that's one reason i've always preferred low volume, low rep training is whenever i work my ass off on higher reps sets, my stomach starts going to **** and i need to take breaks or else i'll throw up. I've thrown up a lot when lifting too hard. And sometimes I can come back from it and keep lifting... but usually it's game over. So i try to avoid that, lol... Today doing 20 reps per arm with the lateral raises with the 50 pound dumbell killed me completely.
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Yeah that throwing up has to do with being hyper, or hypo, i think its hyper that makes you puke, either way its not a good thing, and like you i like a slower paced training. I hate getting all huffy puffy when werking out.
 
lyfespan said:
Yeah that throwing up has to do with being hyper, or hypo, i think its hyper that makes you puke, either way its not a good thing, and like you i like a slower paced training. I hate getting all huffy puffy when werking out.
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hyper, hypo, what, no. This has nothing to do with sugar levels, its simple, when i work out too hard, my stomach gets nauseous, if i keep going, i'll throw up. Thankfully i have avoided that all summer, but sometimes a few intense sets will bring me close to that point, so I have to slow down a lot, hence slowing down and feeling crappy towards the end.

idk if you've never thrown up from lifting. when i'm lifting and pushing those #s out i'm giving 100%, not 100% of what I want to do, 100% of what i am capable of doing

that explains why i get out of breath and sweat up a storm. that's why my volume is low.. my intensity is high. I get in, kill it, and get out.
 
I usually get in kill it and jump out the window while its in the bathroom cleaning up after ;)
 
UnrealMachine said:
hyper, hypo, what, no. This has nothing to do with sugar levels, its simple, when i work out too hard, my stomach gets nauseous, if i keep going, i'll throw up. Thankfully i have avoided that all summer, but sometimes a few intense sets will bring me close to that point, so I have to slow down a lot, hence slowing down and feeling crappy towards the end.

idk if you've never thrown up from lifting. when i'm lifting and pushing those #s out i'm giving 100%, not 100% of what I want to do, 100% of what i am capable of doing

that explains why i get out of breath and sweat up a storm. that's why my volume is low.. my intensity is high. I get in, kill it, and get out.
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hyponatremia will make you nauseated but i doubt you lose that much water/salt during a workout.

sometimes you just have off days bro... and you still killed it IMO
 
well my apologies to lyfespan i had never heard of hypo/hyper natremia i thought he was referring to glycemic. But ah yeah, don't think lack of sodium is what's going on either lol.
 
he might have meant glycemic... but if you were that, youd probably be on the floor, not nauseous lol. I was just stating that a primary symptom of hyponatremia is nausea

i get the same way with high reps.. i did 15 on leg press today and its very taxing. After you get past the atp/creatine phosphate phase of energy expediture, which is like 15-20 seconds i believe, its more of an endurance task
 
UnrealMachine said:
well my apologies to lyfespan i had never heard of hypo/hyper natremia i thought he was referring to glycemic. But ah yeah, don't think lack of sodium is what's going on either lol.
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no apology needed i wuz refering to being mildly hyperglycemic, I get cold sweats hot flashes and then puke and all is better.

Usually happens if i train legs or back with waxy maize, so i wuz under the impression that i might have taken in to many simple carbs and wuz havin an insulin spike? or a crash?
 
sup

day 61

232 lbs

my favorite day: arms

standing dumbell curls: 70*6, 75*6, 80*6, 85*6 (yes i swing on the last set)
close grip bench (smith): 245*10, 265*10, 285*8
standing ez bar curls: 145*10, 155*10
UN-weighted dips: bw*40, bw*33, bw*33
dumbell preacher curls: 50*7, 45*8, 40*10

happy enough with my workout

i love my arms. i see big guys and for some reason they are curling like half as much as me, it's weird, they look at me like LOL WAT?

Like i said there's a bit of swing in my curls that's true. But every rep of dumbell curls, the db touches my shoulder. Every rep on BB curls, i touch the BB to my chin. I get a good range of motion.
 
Unreal how do you get in a hard arm day like that and not interfere with your back or chest day since bi's and tri's will be fried?
 
UnrealMachine said:
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day 61

232 lbs

my favorite day: arms

standing dumbell curls: 70*6, 75*6, 80*6, 85*6 (yes i swing on the last set)
close grip bench (smith): 245*10, 265*10, 285*8
standing ez bar curls: 145*10, 155*10
UN-weighted dips: bw*40, bw*33, bw*33
dumbell preacher curls: 50*7, 45*8, 40*10

happy enough with my workout

i love my arms. i see big guys and for some reason they are curling like half as much as me, it's weird, they look at me like LOL WAT?

Like i said there's a bit of swing in my curls that's true. But every rep of dumbell curls, the db touches my shoulder. Every rep on BB curls, i touch the BB to my chin. I get a good range of motion.
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Man **** you on thoses db curls, jesus I got sum werk to do. Im curently repping 50's for 8 no swing, and that kills me.

But now I got a problem seems sumthin in my right arm got Fed up bad, feels like the deltoid tuberosity took a beating. Whats weird is that its not so much the muscle that hurts, but seems more like the bone. It starts about mid way and raidates down to the trochlea and medial epicondyle. Or whatever all i know its annoying as hell.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
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I guess so.

I've tried throwing in an arms day but it takes away from training my chest and back as frequently as I'd like. I can do chest and back 2x a week but when I throw in an arms day I do back and chest 1x a week.

I only do arm days when I'm feeling shallow and vein and want to pump up the guns and look at them.

Unreal is the only person I know who kills it in the gym, has a nice physique, and has an "arms" day lol. I usually laugh when someone has an "arms" day.
 
chocolatemilk said:
I guess so.

I've tried throwing in an arms day but it takes away from training my chest and back as frequently as I'd like. I can do chest and back 2x a week but when I throw in an arms day I do back and chest 1x a week.

I only do arm days when I'm feeling shallow and vein and want to pump up the guns and look at them.

Unreal is the only person I know who kills it in the gym, has a nice physique, and has an "arms" day lol. I usually laugh when someone has an "arms" day.
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What do ya mean dont train arms? I feel its fine to train all body parts every week, just gotta try and keep thing apart. Like Mon. shoulders, Tues. back, Wed. tri's, Thur. chest, Fri. Bi's, Sat. legs
 
lyfespan said:
What do ya mean dont train arms? I feel its fine to train all body parts every week, just gotta try and keep thing apart. Like Mon. shoulders, Tues. back, Wed. tri's, Thur. chest, Fri. Bi's, Sat. legs
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Lyfespan, arms are trained on every back or chest exercise one can do. Aren't your biceps soar the day after you work out your back? Considering you work out your back hard enough they will be.

Please don't tell me that is your workout schedule? You will see some slow progress working out in such a slow pace like that.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Unreal how do you get in a hard arm day like that and not interfere with your back or chest day since bi's and tri's will be fried?
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back day gets my back sore, chest day gets my chest sore. Neither get my arms sore in any way.

Arm day just barely has been getting my arms sore and that's only recently because i've been going so heavy. And it's my biceps much more than my triceps.

usually arms day doesn't even get me sore. much harder to get my arms sore than everything else.
 
Ya with the decrease in pressing I do for chest and shoulders my triceps deserve their own day. Biceps get hit a little during back but not enough to effect the workout days later.
 
i just try to kill my biceps at the end of back workouts lol
 
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