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think i've got my next madness cycle figured out

day 52

232.5 down 2 pounds from yesterday

cardio/abs borrrring

Ah, not feeling so hot today. I suppose I always feel weak and look scrawny after cardio. I'm wondering though, it seems steroids start to lose effect at a static dose, case in point being my oral kickstart, the 3rd week of static dose was pretty mediocre, i just feel like I can get used to it. I don't want to get into all the bull**** regarding receptors. Instead I think Im just going to jack up my test dose to 500 a week. See if that helps me feel it more. I'm not even horny today, it's weird.

I'll burn through my sust quick so that it runs out faster. And then at the end of the cycle I'll just have masteron going. I guess mast and Halo should be pretty damn dry.

I haven't seen any changes in the last week. More like working hard to maintain. Reminds me of last time on just injects. What weak crap.

With 500 test maybe i'll get my T3 going. I want to start the Halo early. Week after next week. I really want to get things moving again. It's demotivating to be working this hard and RAISING calories as my weight slowly slips down. My response to these injectable steroids is so laughable.
 
Where do you shot up, try dig spots I read about did pl having better results diff spots
 
eh it's whatever. The test is affecting me just as much as always. Whenever I think about it, and TRY to feel something, I just get disappointed and want to use more. I'll probably bump the dose, it's a few days before I inject though

Not worried about the sites i'm injecting, i doubt that's the issue; it would make more sense if i were overloading one spot with more oil than it could utilize as effectively or something... but that's not the case.
 
............... where do u inject? u might have mentioned it but i didnt seem to catch it
 
every shot goes in my quads bro. Each quad takes 1 shot a week and they're 1.5mL so they can handle it just fine. I pretty much only pin quads. I really can't reach my delts very well these days. I can do glutes but it's slightly awkward and 1-handed compared to quads which is just sooo easy. They're absolutely huge muscles too so you can pin all along them.
 
hmmmmm ................. same here.

u know its interesting is this with every inj AAS? or just test as u mentioned many times before?
 
Ah almost every steroid except SD, 19-nor tren and Phera has been weak to the point of bordering on uselessness. Test and mast are the only injectables I've tried. With test the only value I can find it that it eliminates PCT and helps me keep more gains from oral cycles.

I bitch about it everytime I see someone making gains on test cuz I don't know how its possible. I'll try to keep the bitching to a minimum lol. I just wish I FELT something more. lol... And Masteron, I'm never buying it again, it's on my list of useless ****. OK maybe very slight aesthetic value if you are 9% bodyfat and under, otherwise useless. It does NOT make you stronger or impart slow, steady lean gains. Not at all. 0.

Can't wait to get some T3 started. If i can't get stronger then **** it i'll get leaner.
 
bassgod272 said:
My suggestion:

Test of choice(high dosed 750mg/wk minimum), Tren Ace 225mg/wk, Proviron 25mg/day, Aromasin 12.5mg/day, T3, Winny, Var, Clen........RIPPED AND JACKED!!!! lol. This is my pre-contest cycle i'm starting in a few weeks. Can't effing waittt!!!!
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That's insane! ...I envy you sir. :grumpy:
 
PRO and ARIMA at same time?
 
Jasen said:
PRO and ARIMA at same time?
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they do different things...

also unreal u have to change your ester every 8-9 weeks.. ive been reading more and more into this concept...im not sure i quite understand it.. but alot of ppl at OLM and other boards swear by it... i know u dont wanna spend money but u could always try it.. wouldnt be to expensive to get like 2 vials of cyp.. and run them for the second half of your cycle.. who knows
 
bassgod272 said:
My suggestion:

Test of choice(high dosed 750mg/wk minimum), Tren Ace 225mg/wk, Proviron 25mg/day, Aromasin 12.5mg/day, T3, Winny, Var, Clen........RIPPED AND JACKED!!!! lol. This is my pre-contest cycle i'm starting in a few weeks. Can't effing waittt!!!!
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test/tren/winny/var/t3/clen will certainly do the trick lol... i have a cycle plan to follow but there's always next time. I'm wary of tren because prolactin ****s me up though. It's too bad because tren would probably work great on me, the PH stuff did.

Cassavus said:
I see that you'll be ramping up to 75mcg. Have you ever done 100mcg or considered it?
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Last time, 75 was borderline too much so i never tried more. 100 would be significantly more than I want. I will feel it out though. Last time on T3 I started my cycle around 215 so I was maintaining my weight on like, not much over 3000 calories. And right now i'm almost 20 pounds heavier and i'm barely maintaining on almost 4000 calories. And my AAS are different, last time i was on the good stuff, this time I'm on weak ****. So I doubt I'll be able to do 100mcg or even 75mcg without losing LBM too fast.

bigzach1234 said:
they do different things...

also unreal u have to change your ester every 8-9 weeks.. ive been reading more and more into this concept...im not sure i quite understand it.. but alot of ppl at OLM and other boards swear by it... i know u dont wanna spend money but u could always try it.. wouldnt be to expensive to get like 2 vials of cyp.. and run them for the second half of your cycle.. who knows
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This is weird... i'm already on 4 different types of test, lol. Well I will keep it in mind. It's usually around week 8-9 that the gains die down. And test only kicks in after week 4! I dunno how people are gaining 15 pounds on test cycles with a 5 week window like that. **** me.


Well anyway, I'm gonna go kill my shoulders in a little bit here. At least I've got stims + jack3d. I swear jack3d helps my workouts out more than test does.
 
ummmmm he is right! i switched to TEST-C...... i AM noticing a difference i thought it was a placebo thing but i guess it is not.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah I put the bar in a corner from some machine but it can still pop out of position, so i get my wo buddy to put his foot on it for my sets.

Fun lift but bent over rows remains my favorite.
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You guys mean ghetto t-bar rows right? Just the bar in the corner loaded up on one side? I LOVE that exercise, my second-favorite back exercise. We actually have a little bar holder thingy you can stack plates on top of to hold the bar in place at my gym.

I do them using the V-handle from the cables as a grip. If you've been doing them just holding the bar with your hands, I highly recommend the V-grip. It will be harder than the other way, as it extends the range of motion, but that's a good thing. Plus it keeps both hands in the same plane.

I worked up to 7 plates x7 last week, gonna try 8 plates soon, like in the next few weeks.

Yeaaaaaa buddy! Light weight baby!!
 
bigzach1234 said:
they do different things...

also unreal u have to change your ester every 8-9 weeks.. ive been reading more and more into this concept...im not sure i quite understand it.. but alot of ppl at OLM and other boards swear by it... i know u dont wanna spend money but u could always try it.. wouldnt be to expensive to get like 2 vials of cyp.. and run them for the second half of your cycle.. who knows
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Interesting, I've never heard of that concept. Link to the discussion? Or perhaps just a general outline of the theory?
 
Dragon13 said:
You guys mean ghetto t-bar rows right? Just the bar in the corner loaded up on one side? I LOVE that exercise, my second-favorite back exercise. We actually have a little bar holder thingy you can stack plates on top of to hold the bar in place at my gym.

I do them using the V-handle from the cables as a grip. If you've been doing them just holding the bar with your hands, I highly recommend the V-grip. It will be harder than the other way, as it extends the range of motion, but that's a good thing. Plus it keeps both hands in the same plane.

I worked up to 7 plates x7 last week, gonna try 8 plates soon, like in the next few weeks.

Yeaaaaaa buddy! Light weight baby!!
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I noticed that with no grip, it IS easier. I could easily pump 250 for 10 with no grip, but i also use the v bar. I also like to use 35s and 25s to increase my range of motion. Killer back exercises
 
UnrealMachine said:
This is weird... i'm already on 4 different types of test, lol. Well I will keep it in mind. It's usually around week 8-9 that the gains die down. And test only kicks in after week 4! I dunno how people are gaining 15 pounds on test cycles with a 5 week window like that. **** me.


Well anyway, I'm gonna go kill my shoulders in a little bit here. At least I've got stims + jack3d. I swear jack3d helps my workouts out more than test does.
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Upping the test is the right move. It's the only AAS the body can handle much higher doses of without necessarily increasing sides too. Plus you're probably desensitized to androgens to some extent, considering your cycle history. I think you just need higher doses, since we've covered virtually every other possibility in the past.

One other thought for the future: I know you're concrned about using progestin-related substances as they can give you teh gynoz, hence avoiding tren - but have you ever considered deca? Not as potent as tren in any capaicty, so a lowered risk of gyno, but still a good muscle builder. Test-deca kicked with your usual SD sounds pretty damn good.
 
SouthernCharm said:
I noticed that with no grip, it IS easier. I could easily pump 250 for 10 with no grip, but i also use the v bar. I also like to use 35s and 25s to increase my range of motion. Killer back exercises
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Only problem with that is it would take forever to load the bar with 25s and 35s. Might run out of room on the bar, plus I'd have to scour the gym to find enough quarters. Although it's a good concept, it's also a pain in the ass.

I have a better idea I also use sometimes: use the rope attachment. You won't get a better range of motion than t-bar rows with the rope. My only issue with the rope is it is quite painful on the hands when the weight gets heavy, so I usually do these as a back-off set, or for high-rep sets. Really the ROM with the v-handle is plenty though, 80% of my t-bar rowing is done with the V.
 
Dragon13 said:
Only problem with that is it would take forever to load the bar with 25s and 35s. Might run out of room on the bar, plus I'd have to scour the gym to find enough quarters. Although it's a good concept, it's also a pain in the ass.

I have a better idea I also use sometimes: use the rope attachment. You won't get a better range of motion than t-bar rows with the rope. My only issue with the rope is it is quite painful on the hands when the weight gets heavy, so I usually do these as a back-off set, or for high-rep sets. Really the ROM with the v-handle is plenty though, 80% of my t-bar rowing is done with the V.
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lol, saw sumone with the bar all loaded up with dimes and a couple 45 on the very end, trying to make it closer to his chest too
 
Dragon13 said:
Only problem with that is it would take forever to load the bar with 25s and 35s. Might run out of room on the bar, plus I'd have to scour the gym to find enough quarters. Although it's a good concept, it's also a pain in the ass.

I have a better idea I also use sometimes: use the rope attachment. You won't get a better range of motion than t-bar rows with the rope. My only issue with the rope is it is quite painful on the hands when the weight gets heavy, so I usually do these as a back-off set, or for high-rep sets. Really the ROM with the v-handle is plenty though, 80% of my t-bar rowing is done with the V.
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Thats true. I DO get tired of loading/unloading the bar. I also use the vbar most of the time. I have not considered the rope. That'd be pretty sweet. GOnna have to try that out. What about a wide grip. You ever tried that?
 
SouthernCharm said:
Thats true. I DO get tired of loading/unloading the bar. I also use the vbar most of the time. I have not considered the rope. That'd be pretty sweet. GOnna have to try that out. What about a wide grip. You ever tried that?
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No, not with t-bar rows. Well actually yes, but it didn't really work. I don't think the ghetto t-bar rows really lend themselves to a wide grip; I played around with it before, but the attachment doesn't really stay in place. It slides around a bit, and I don't like any slippage.

Besides, rows are more a back thickness exercise. Tons of different movements to do for back width that are better suited for a wide grip.
 
Per a PM request here is a list of back width exercises, figured I'd share with the group. The first few are obvious. I can personally vouch for all of these, but my back width work almost always includes some of #1.

1) Wide-grip pull-ups/chins
2) Lat pulls
3) Hammer strength high row machine
4) Wide-grip T-bar row (***note - this only applies if you have a real HS t-bar machine)
5) Rack chins
6) Cybex chest-supported wide row (or similar machine)
 
T-bar rows, i've done v-grip and no grip. V-grip is slightly harder. Last time for 6 plates though I did no grip. I think i'll stick to the v-grip and do more reps at 5 plates though. I don't like the lower back pressure generated when I do much more weight. I also do these after my heavy bent over rows, so my back is already "feeling it"

ok dragon i have not really considered deca because I supposed it would really have the same effects as "tren" and so give me deca **** and gyno most likely. One pro for deca is i've read of many guys who can tolerate deca just fine but NOT tren. So maybe it would work for me. Now on the downside, it's such a long ester that it'll take forever to build up and then forever to clear, so it has the potential to be most unpleasant, and if it does require caber or prami, i'm going to need to run that stuff for like 3 months long...
 
day 53

233.5

shoulders/some legs

iso shoulder press: 180*10, 230*8, 270*5, 270*4, 180*19
squats: 225*10, 315*10
shrugs: 12 plates*30, 14plates*28, 12plates*10 (w/ 3sec static holds)
calve raises: 425*30*3
db lateral raises: 50*18, 50*15
db front raises: 50*16, 50*16

So shoulder press was ~ the same or down a rep. But I went to 50 pounders for my DB raises so that's good. Regained lost ground on my calve raises so they are back to my all time high. Man i kill it in the gym so hard on jack3d. My cardiovascular endurance is insane, I feel like it really helps me get more reps on all of these high rep sets, i just keep going. And my breathing is improved. But i sweat like a pig lol.

oya, squats. I haven't done squats since 2009. So looks like I still got it more or less. I'll always be able to rep 315 like it's light on squats, just like I'll always be able to rep 225 like it's nothing on bench. Some things you'll always be able to do even after you stop for a while.
 
Dragon13 said:
Only problem with that is it would take forever to load the bar with 25s and 35s. Might run out of room on the bar, plus I'd have to scour the gym to find enough quarters. Although it's a good concept, it's also a pain in the ass.

I have a better idea I also use sometimes: use the rope attachment. You won't get a better range of motion than t-bar rows with the rope. My only issue with the rope is it is quite painful on the hands when the weight gets heavy, so I usually do these as a back-off set, or for high-rep sets. Really the ROM with the v-handle is plenty though, 80% of my t-bar rowing is done with the V.
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Ya I honestly couldnt do the whole 25s and 35s thing. In the fitness center there is only 1 set of 35s and I would run out of space with 25s.

Dragon13 said:
Per a PM request here is a list of back width exercises, figured I'd share with the group. The first few are obvious. I can personally vouch for all of these, but my back width work almost always includes some of #1.

1) Wide-grip pull-ups/chins
2) Lat pulls
3) Hammer strength high row machine
4) Wide-grip T-bar row (***note - this only applies if you have a real HS t-bar machine)
5) Rack chins
6) Cybex chest-supported wide row (or similar machine)
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Thanks man appreciate that. Just trying to get even more back lifts to mix things up. I do plenty of back thickness but back width has been neglected a bit lately.

UnrealMachine said:
T-bar rows, i've done v-grip and no grip. V-grip is slightly harder. Last time for 6 plates though I did no grip. I think i'll stick to the v-grip and do more reps at 5 plates though. I don't like the lower back pressure generated when I do much more weight. I also do these after my heavy bent over rows, so my back is already "feeling it"

ok dragon i have not really considered deca because I supposed it would really have the same effects as "tren" and so give me deca **** and gyno most likely. One pro for deca is i've read of many guys who can tolerate deca just fine but NOT tren. So maybe it would work for me. Now on the downside, it's such a long ester that it'll take forever to build up and then forever to clear, so it has the potential to be most unpleasant, and if it does require caber or prami, i'm going to need to run that stuff for like 3 months long...
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What do yall mean by v-grip? Picture would probably be the easiest way to clear this up. I use a seated row bar close grip handle.
 
nosnmiveins said:
unreal, u say u want to run deca but not long ester?....then get NPP u fool!
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yeah that's a good point, i was thinking about it last year I remember! Not as many sources carry it though. But you're right i'll keep NPP in mind. I wish they could dose that **** more than 100mg/mL though.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I don't like the lower back pressure generated when I do much more weight.
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... is back exercise... I is confused... :06:

UnrealMachine said:
ok dragon i have not really considered deca because I supposed it would really have the same effects as "tren" and so give me deca **** and gyno most likely. One pro for deca is i've read of many guys who can tolerate deca just fine but NOT tren. So maybe it would work for me. Now on the downside, it's such a long ester that it'll take forever to build up and then forever to clear, so it has the potential to be most unpleasant, and if it does require caber or prami, i'm going to need to run that stuff for like 3 months long...
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This is all true, just throwing a thought out there.
 
I hurt my back years ago so going as heavy as I do on back is playing with fire. I do not want to hurt it again, ever, and I can feel when I get on the border of hurting it, it gets tight and gets minor pain. Doing heavy BB rows is very taxing, doing heavy t-bar rows after that is pushing it. So I am very careful with my back. This is why I don't do deadlifts. To me some things are not worth the risk.
 
hmmm maybe i do deca and T next year with something crazy added in it. tren was nice but i expected more from how ppl PRAISED the $hit out of it.
 
Tomahawk88 said:
What do yall mean by v-grip? Picture would probably be the easiest way to clear this up. I use a seated row bar close grip handle.
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I believe this is what they're referring to (it's what I used to use anyway). So yeah, you'd be right.
 

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thats a horrible one to use, man i should make a back training video for u guys i have a very detailed back. One day. try using traps as stabilizer while using the V-ropes i noticed this really helps brings out teres minor and major as well as lats and rhomboids.
 
check my log lool still on it i belive 3 weeks on both. and 5 week on m1t left.
 
Jasen said:
thats a horrible one to use, man i should make a back training video for u guys i have a very detailed back. One day. try using traps as stabilizer while using the V-ropes i noticed this really helps brings out teres minor and major as well as lats and rhomboids.
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show me this detailed back of yours jasen and i will follow your tips
 
ill try to film a video everytime i see someones trainign the lack so many aspects, for example training there lower lats i never see pppkl do this anymore. soe when they do a lat spread its looks retarded. but yah once my training partner comes back ill shoot a video i belive unreal asked for chest exercise? i can shoot a few min for that as well
 
Jasen said:
ill try to film a video everytime i see someones trainign the lack so many aspects, for example training there lower lats i never see pppkl do this anymore. soe when they do a lat spread its looks retarded. but yah once my training partner comes back ill shoot a video i belive unreal asked for chest exercise? i can shoot a few min for that as well
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Id def like a view of this video when u get around to making it. Mind showing us what bar u r talking about?
 
bar? i didnt mention any bar?
 
if ur talkin about in general what bar, thats a misconception ppl have its not what u use, but its what helps YOU specifically target the muscles u want to target. some ppl use V for lats some use straight or curbed bars etc etc but yah ill try to get one sometime up, my point is that ppl follow alot of other ppl and completely miss training diff parts of the back they need to.
 
link to ur thread?
 
hahahha we will bukkake the $hit out of his log
 
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